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Taiwan Stops Selling Huawei Phones That Identify It as Part of China (bloomberg.com) 42

Posted by msmash from the tussle-continues dept.
Taiwan suspended sales of three Huawei smartphone models that identify Taiwan as part of China, striking a fresh blow in a long-running conflict over references to sovereignty. From a report: Phone carriers were ordered to stop offering Huawei's P30, P3O Pro and Nova 5T models starting Thursday because their displays included the words "Taiwan, China" for time zones and contacts, said Peter Niou, a deputy director at the National Communications Commission in Taipei. The reference impairs Taiwan's "national dignity," Niou said. The halt adds Huawei to the list of global brands, from Coach and Givenchy to JPMorgan, that have had to respond to the sovereignty dispute between separately governed Taiwan and China, which claims Taiwan as part of its territory. The two fashion brands, owned by companies in the U.S. and France, apologized to China's government after offering T-shirts that identified Taiwan as a country.
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  • ...two fashion brands ...apologized to China's government after offering T-shirts that identified Taiwan as a country

    Go kiss some more totalitarian ass you bloated capitalist pig-fuckers.

  • Isn't Taiwan part of China? (Score:4, Informative)

    by omnichad ( 1198475 ) on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:07AM (#59417050) Homepage

    I thought both sides agreed [wikipedia.org] that Taiwan was part of China, but disagreed on which side (ROC or PRC) had sovereignty over both Mainland China and Taiwan.

    • Re:Isn't Taiwan part of China? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:37AM (#59417174)
      I came here to say that. Both the ROC (Republic of China) and the PRC (People's Republic of China) can be shortened to "China." While the short form "China" typically refers to the latter (aka mainland China), you'd think Taiwan (aka the ROC) would actually prefer that the shorthand "China" not "belong" to the PRC, as it's part of their official name, too.

      That said, it was most likely an excuse to bar the sales of a mainland Chinese brand. I support that result either way.

      • That said, it was most likely an excuse to bar the sales of a mainland Chinese brand.

        Many of the components, including the CPU, are made in Taiwan.

      • When I participated in the Model UN in the 1960s, we learned that the official US position was "There is only one China, and Tiawan is a part of China". As stated above, that seems to satisfy both ROC and PRC, but of course they interpret it differently.

    • Technically, yes, but only because the PRC has repeatedly threatened dire consequences on the ROC if they renounce their claims and nobody wants to find out if they're bluffing.

      Sounds odd, but it make perfect sense. An argument over whether Taiwan should be independent is an argument the PRC can lose, but an argument over who controls all of China is one the PRC can only win.

    • Re:Isn't Taiwan part of China? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve ( 949321 ) on Friday November 15, 2019 @01:59PM (#59417742)

      I thought both sides agreed [wikipedia.org] that Taiwan was part of China, but disagreed on which side (ROC or PRC) had sovereignty over both Mainland China and Taiwan.

      It's far more complicated than this. What you have unwittingly done is equivalent to me finding out that your mother voted for a Republican governor in the last election your state had and deciding you must have voted Republican too. To give you a short version of events...

      The KMT was the political party that Sun Yat Sen founded and ruled China before the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) won the Civil War in China in 1949. Chiang Kai Shek was the last KMT president in China and his government fled to Taiwan to theoretically continue to Civil War against the CCP. The CCP has never ruled Taiwan. Taiwan was sort of returned to China at the end of WWII but the legal document is vague and from a strictly legal standpoint, a lot of things were undefined and it's not totally clear exactly who Taiwan was given back to. China under Chiang took control of it, but again, the document is kind of vague that covers it. Some have argued that it was technically given to the USA, although the USA has never claimed Taiwan.

      Chaing had hoped to relaunch the Civil War from Taiwan and retake the mainland and for a very long time, government officials who fled to Taiwan with him asserted that they were the legal government of China, but in exile. The government in China under Chiang was the Republic of China (ROC) and this term is still used in Taiwan to this day, but it only refers to Taiwan now. As late as 1966 there were plans to restart the Civil War and invade China, but Chiang finally put an end to that thinking. After his death, his son took over as President of Taiwan and enacted great political reforms, including the legalization of opposition parties to the KMT. The largest of the opposition parties is the Democratic Progressive Party )DPP) and they currently hold the presidency of Taiwan. The DPP and parties that share similar ideology are referred to as "pan-green parties" in Taiwan politics, with the KMT and its allies being "pan-blue parties". The argument that Taiwan is an independent country right now has been advocated by many in the pan-green parties. Since Taiwan is roughly split in half between pan-green and pan-blue supporters (much like the US is almost equally divided between Republican and Democratic supporters) about half of Taiwan would have a problem with your statement that Taiwan is part of China. The 4 years or so between the end of WWII and the fleeing to Taiwan by the KMT did not provide enough time to integrate Taiwan back into mainland China, so you can make a case that since Japan forced China to cede Taiwan to them in 1895, Taiwan has never really been part of China. At a minimum the CCP has never ruled it. And the KMT does indeed proclaim that Taiwan is part of China without really defining what exactly "China" means although the KMT no longer asserts that it is a government in exile for all of China.

      • Republic of China (ROC) and this term is still used in Taiwan to this day, but it only refers to Taiwan now

        And a few islands that are not part of Taiwan.

        The argument that Taiwan is an independent country right now has been advocated by many in the pan-green parties.

        That may be, but it hasn't been adopted by the country as a whole. If anything, choosing "Taiwan, China" is a compromise that satisfies at least some constituents of both the PRC and ROC.

        The 4 years or so between the end of WWII and the fleeing to Taiwan by the KMT did not provide enough time to integrate Taiwan back into mainland China, so you can make a case that since Japan forced China to cede Taiwan to them in 1895, Taiwan has never really been part of China.

        The argument is that "China" (the government, ROC) fled to Taiwan, rather than just the KMT. What happened on the mainland was the establishment of a new country/government, also called China. Taiwan is part of China (ROC) if you ask someone in Taiwan (for the most part). Ta

      • For those interested in the history of the "cross-strait" divide, PBS Frontline did a pretty good documentary [youtube.com] back in the late 90s, just after the "missile crisis" in 1996, when Taiwan held its first direct presidential elections... China lobbed short-range missiles across the island, and the US Navy parked a carrier group in the strait to deter further aggression. The video covers the history history of Taiwan under the Japanese occupation and the advent of the KMT.

    • Decades ago, all the old timers are dead now. At this point the ROC name is just part of appeasing China, by showing a willingness to reunification. Renaming the official name to Republic of Taiwan would be provocation as defined by China.

    • I thought both sides agreed [wikipedia.org] that Taiwan was part of China, but disagreed on which side (ROC or PRC) had sovereignty over both Mainland China and Taiwan.

      No, this is a view promulgated by the PRC and pro-reunification folks. The so-called 1992 Consensus [wikipedia.org] is an idea supported by the PRC and the KMT, both of which at the time were dominated by non-Taiwanese people. Many people in Taiwan believe that there was no "consensus" in 1992, and certainly there is obviously no such consensus in Taiwan now.

      In the past, the KMT (dominated by mainlanders) focused on an eventual return to the mainland. There was even an official elected governor of the Taiwan province of

      • When people in Taiwan say that they do not wan to be independent, they mean that they do not want to claim diplomatically that they are independent from China. I would think virtually nobody would actually want to be ruled by China, nor expect to rule China.

        Xi now has absolute power, and may be interested in foreign adventures. China has gone backwards politically. The goal of Taiwan is to avoid being invaded by the now powerful Chinese navy.

        The debate in Taiwan NOT whether it wants to actually be part o

        • When people in Taiwan say that they do not wan to be independent, they mean that they do not want to claim diplomatically that they are independent from China.> I would think virtually nobody would actually want to be ruled by China, nor expect to rule China.

          The Taiwanese are pragmatic. Of course, they want to be independent for reasons of pride and international relations, participation, and privileges. However, they don't want to simply say that they are independent because that grants them no advantages beyond the de facto independence that they already have unless other countries recognize that declaration. So declaring independence is not worthwhile in the current geopolitical climate. Hence, the pragmatic preference for the status quo.

          They probably should have signed a treaty while Deng Xiaoping was around.

          Did Deng every o

          • Well, the recent polls here (in Taiwan) says that most (like 76%+) are against re-unification in just about any form. Declaring independence has actually been growing a lot within the last 20 years with, I read, like 64%+ for or willing to consider it as oppose to those that are willing to keep the status quo or joining mainland china. For us though, "independence" means a legal distinction in the international space separate from mainland China. Because, at this moment, a lot of countries don't recognize
  • See the First Lady of China examine how the Hutch would be ideal for forced human harvesting! (Bill Gates thinks so too!)

    https://www.wscrc.org/news/mad... [wscrc.org]

    Madame Peng, a World Health Organization goodwill ambassador, . . . (unbelievable!)

  • I thought from the standpoint of the Taiwanese, Taiwan is the real proper China, and the pseudo-communist mainland China was more of a GDR type thing that wasn't recognized by them ...

    All this is stupid anyway. The only one who should get to decide what group/nation/state he is part of, is the person himself. (With the consequences, like embargos.)

  • So let's mention a few of President -- or Emperor -- Xi Jinping's achievements:

    >>Kidnapped a group of Hong Kong booksellers [Gui Minhai, Paul Lee, Lui Por. Cheung Chi-ping, Lam Wing-kei] back to Beijing where they were forced to make public fictitious confessions.

    >>Arrested Beijing rights-defense lawyer, Zhang Kai, and forced Zhang to make a bizarre public confession on TV.

    >>Disappeared a large group of various human rights attorneys across China about four to five years back, many

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