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The New FineWoven iPhone Cases Are 'Very Bad' 283

Several Slashdot readers have shared this report: Folks, what you've heard so far is true. Apple's new FineWoven iPhone cases and accessories are bad. Like, really bad. I've been puzzling over them for the past week, looking at them from different angles. Picking them up, setting them down, petting them. Seven days later, I still can't make sense of them and have no other choice but to say it out loud: FineWoven is very bad. FineWoven is a new fabric option you'll find on iPhone 15 cases, AirTag holders, and MagSafe wallets. Apple calls it a "luxurious and durable microtwill." It's silky, almost slippery to the touch, and costs $59 for any of the phone cases, $35 for an AirTag holder, and $99 for one of the new watch bands -- not the most expensive phone cases you can buy, but pretty darn pricey.

Apple is pitching them as a premium replacement of sorts for the leather accessories it discontinued. The company won't sell leather iPhone cases and straps anymore because making them at Apple's scale "has a significant carbon footprint," according to Lisa Jackson, the company's environmental policy VP. That's fair; as my colleague Justine Calma puts it, "Cattle are a big source of greenhouse gas emissions because cows burp out methane, which is even more potent than CO2 when it comes to its ability to trap heat on the planet." If you want a fancy first-party iPhone case, then your new, more sustainable option would be FineWoven. But FineWoven is very much not the premium material that leather is. When I popped the MagSafe wallet out of its box, I could clearly see some places where it was already showing wear along the edges. Little bits of lint immediately caught on the fabric, too. And then there's the fingernail test.
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  • tl;dr (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    One guy doesn’t like it

    • Re: tl;dr (Score:5, Insightful)

      by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:12PM (#63866525)

      I immediately went and bought a proper leather case from nomad.

      The "carbon footprint" logic is pretty shitty on the best of days, but for cows that are gonna be burgers anyway the carbon footprint is trivial or arguably zero. Also Apple already has a pile of shitty non-leather options, they didn't need another.

      • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

        by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:22PM (#63866563)
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        • ^^^ This ^^^

        • by cruff ( 171569 )
          Exactly, each phone I've bought I've felt I immediately needed a case to prevent it slipping from my fingers.
        • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

          It's 100% due to marketing.

          Marketing is what requires the phone to be of a certain dimensional size (smaller, lighter!) and shiny (shiny!) for the ads.

          When was the last time you saw a phone without a case? I'm thinking blackberry/Nokia days, myself.

          • I can walk or take the transit around NYC and see a hundred or a thousand people on the phone and not one case.

        • A few years ago, Moto G phones came exactly like your wish, they had a hard but semi-flexible case that was slip-resistant and didn't require you to buy a case to put it in. And on top of that, you could open that case and replace the battery! Since then, they discontinued this, making their shells slippery just like all the others.

        • It's even more ridiculous to market your whole company on the sleek design aesthetics of your high-tech product at the expense of durability such you have to encase it in a slab of rubber.

        • Because people don't buy these phones!

          It's been done before. CAT - as in the heavy equipment company - has a line of ultra-durable phones. Those phones you could pretty much throw at concrete and they'd probably be fine. They're popular enough to keep making them, but they aren't exactly taking over the market.

          People want slim, sleek, sexy phones. Then they want to cover them up so their slim, sleek, sexy phones look gaudy, and don't break.

        • I wish Apple and every other OEM would make phones that didn't require cases to be held without slipping out of your hands and/or breaking from falls that most other handheld tech survives w/o issue.

          Actually I'm the exact opposite. We should have thin bland phones. The phone is not your TV remote. It's a personal accessory, and customising that accessory is and always has been one of the core features of the phone.

          The additional case on it now is no different from the swappable aftermarket covers we put on our phones in the 90s.

      • Re: tl;dr (Score:5, Insightful)

        by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:37PM (#63866611)
        For a quality leather product like a belt or a watch band, you should expect it to last the rest of your life, and probably well after that if you properly care for it. I don't know if Apple's leather straps were actually any good as far as the quality is concerned or if they barely qualified as "genuine leather" (the crappiest thing that can still be legally marketed as leather) but people who already have a leather band shouldn't need a new one if they get a new watch.

        I have some leather products that I've had for decades and will be around long after I'm not. The carbon footprint becomes negligible over the actual lifetime of the product. Probably less than the so-called green option that gets tossed in the landfill because it's a piece of crap that falls apart in few years and needs replacement.
        • by Guspaz ( 556486 )

          Anecdotally, Apple's rubber-lined phone cases always start falling apart after 1-2 years, but their leather phone cases can last 3-4 years (or more, presumably, I just haven't tried using one longer) without any visible degradation other than the expected cosmetic surface scuffing. I've seen this pattern repeated with at least two each of their rubber-lined and leather-lined cases.

          I've since switched to the dBrand grip case because it's just generally a much better case than anything Apple makes, simultaneo

          • My iphone leather case lasted like a year, and looked pretty crap long before that. I just put it in my pocket and treated it normal, just the same as my leather wallet which has lasted years without issue.

            I tried a generic leather case. That was even worse! Very frustrating. I'm not picky, but they both were terrible.

            • I have a $10 leather phone case from Aliexpress that I have been using for 3 years or so, and it looks fine.
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          For a quality leather product like a belt or a watch band, you should expect it to last the rest of your life, and probably well after that if you properly care for it. I don't know if Apple's leather straps were actually any good as far as the quality is concerned or if they barely qualified as "genuine leather" (the crappiest thing that can still be legally marketed as leather) but people who already have a leather band shouldn't need a new one if they get a new watch.

          I have some leather products that I've had for decades and will be around long after I'm not. The carbon footprint becomes negligible over the actual lifetime of the product. Probably less than the so-called green option that gets tossed in the landfill because it's a piece of crap that falls apart in few years and needs replacement.

          The problem with this is that Apple can't sell you a new one every year if they last.

          I've a pair of, what Americans call "flip flps" (Australians will know them as "thongs") from a brand called "Colorado" that are now in the 3rd decade. Quality leather rather than rubber and I'm certain there are some old boots out there telling my shoes to get off their lawn.

          A lot of companies have zero interest in making things that will last. Apple is chief amongst them in an entire industry that embodies being dis

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        The "carbon footprint" logic is pretty shitty on the best of days, but for cows that are gonna be burgers anyway the carbon footprint is trivial or arguably zero.

        Think abut it, folks: where does the carbon in cow farts come from? From coal the cow eats? No, it comes from grass that grew recently, pulling carbon from this year's air. The cow is just putting part of that carbon back into circulation. Cows are carbon neutral.

        • Cows are indeed carbon neutral, as all things are, over a long enough timespan.

          However, Cows add an extra step to the carbon cycle: biomass -> methane -> CO2 -> repeat.
          That step they add increases the length of the cycle of their atmospheric carbon, and therefor they do in fact have an impact on the extant carbon cycle.

          Think about it. ;)
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  • by DrMrLordX ( 559371 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:11PM (#63866519)

    Pretty sure nobody slaughters cattle solely for hides. You kill the cow for meat and then use the hide for leather. If nobody wants the leather then it gets tossed. Unless tanneries are major CO2 emitter, you aren't really accomplishing much by eschewing leather.

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      Pretty sure nobody slaughters cattle solely for hides.

      No, but leather production improves the economics of beef.

      What I don't like is the fact that it's made from synthetic fibers means more microplastics in our food and drinking water. Just make it from denim or corduroy or something like that, maybe sewn around thin wooden or aluminum stiffener.

      • Pretty sure nobody slaughters cattle solely for hides.

        No, but leather production improves the economics of beef.

        What I don't like is the fact that it's made from synthetic fibers means more microplastics in our food and drinking water. Just make it from denim or corduroy or something like that, maybe sewn around thin wooden or aluminum stiffener.

        Cotton (as in denim) has quite a huge environmental footprint of it own, using massive amounts of water, fertilizer, and land. It is worse than (oil based) polyester for CO2 production. I'm quite fine with the waste product from my burgers and steaks being used to make jackets and seats for my car. If it makes beef cheaper that is fine with me, because I would continue to eat beef even if the hides went to landfill instead.

      • "Just make it from denim"

        https://www.worldwildlife.org/... [worldwildlife.org].

      • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

        And why would you not want to improve the economics of beef?

        Beef is one of the cheapest, most readily available sources of protein and most of the world relies on it. The more profitable it is, the fewer animals people need to raise to be profitable, which means they're more likely to be able to produce high quality beef from high quality animals which are well cared for, and not destroy the environment through over-grazing in the process.

    • by DamnOregonian ( 963763 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:20PM (#63866731)
      Na. The logic (which is correct) goes as such:

      Using leather makes the cost of producing beef less (since more parts of the cow are marketable) which then makes beef a more appealing food.
      This directly increases the length of the gaseous part of the cow's carbon cycle, which has a tangible effect on the extant carbon content of the atmosphere.

      I'm not convinced ditching cows is really the solution to our problem, but the reasoning Apple is using is entirely correct.
      • This directly increases the length of the gaseous part of the cow's carbon cycle, which has a tangible effect on the extant carbon content of the atmosphere.

        Does it? Wasn't the carbon all from the grass which was taken from the atmosphere in the first place?

        • Does it? Wasn't the carbon all from the grass which was taken from the atmosphere in the first place?

          Yes, and yes.

          But carbon cycles have length. Over a long enough length of time, even oil is carbon neutral.
          We're primarily interested in the gaseous portion of the carbon cycle, since it's what directly affects the energy flux of the planet.
          This means the route from biomass to biomass matters for any extant timeslice we're looking at.
          For a pure biomass -> CO2 -> biomass cycle, the amount of impact to the thermal flux over that time period is lower than for biomass -> methane -> CO2 -> bio

          • Methane has an atmospheric lifetime of ~12 years. Not something worth worrying about.
            • by DamnOregonian ( 963763 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:11PM (#63866845)
              1) that's 30 years longer, because plants do not metabolize methane into carbohydrates, and therefor is inarguably an impact.
              2) That 30 year period, it's about 25 times more thermally impactful to the atmosphere than an equivalent amount of carbon mass in the form of CO2.

              This means that every ton of methane produced is equivalent to 25 tons of CO2.
              So, let's say a patch of grass produces 1 ton of CO2 over a 1000 year period.
              Let's say that same patch, with a population of cows, successfully converts 25% of that biomass into methane.
              So that's 1 tons of CO2, and .25 tons of methane for 1000 years.
              Why 1 ton of CO2? Because that methane doesn't die as methane, it turns into CO2 once it has broken down.

              So, let's say CO2 has a climactic impact of 1 per year, and CO2 has a climactic impact of 25.
              That means our field of grass has a climactic impact of 1000, and our field of grass and cows has a climactic impact of 7250.

              No matter how you swing it, that's as far as you can fucking get from negligible.
              • Sigh. , and methane has a climactic impact of 25
              • Not to argue against you here, but this only sounds like half the calculation.

                Carbon is sequestered in the cow itself when it eats the grass - cut grass grows faster and spreads more than grass left to grow to full height (at which point carbon sequestration should severely slow down, though I don't know for sure), which means the cows are actually pulling some portion of atmospheric CO2 into their bodies before releasing said CO2 back when it dies.

                I have no idea the actual numbers on that. I would be surpr

                • I have no argument against your points.
                  The full picture is vastly more complicated. But the simplified picture is also not in essence, incorrect.
      • The idea that there is a single cow anywhere in the world that was raised and butchered because of the existence of the leather market is daft. The value of the leather from a cow hide is a rounding error on the value of the animal. In the 1980's you had to pay a minimum of $500 to $1000 for a full length pair of leather pants or a full leather dress. Very similar garments are available today in the $100-$150 range. This is because of the explosive growth of the fast food industry in the 1990's. Leathe
        • The idea that there is a single cow anywhere in the world that was raised and butchered because of the existence of the leather market is daft.

          Absolutely. Anyone who claims otherwise is insane.... but nobody has.

          The value of the leather from a cow hide is a rounding error on the value of the animal.

          Incorrect.

          The value of the leather from a cow hide is a rounding error on the value of the animal. In the 1980's you had to pay a minimum of $500 to $1000 for a full length pair of leather pants or a full leather dress. Very similar garments are available today in the $100-$150 range.

          It's about $200 in the total value of the cow- which is not a major portion of it, but it is appreciable.
          Last numbers I tried to look up, it was around 10% of the value of the cow.
          Again- not major, but also not a rounding error.

  • Did someone say iPhone accessories?! Only $59, $35, & $99 for the privilege of owning genuine Apple Inc. products?! Sign me up, I'll take 'em all!!*

    *Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Apple Inc. & I have not received any renumeration or incentives to act in their interests. They don't need to. Their products are THAT good & I don't even own an iPhone or any other Apple Inc. electronics.
  • There are other animals that you can get leather from that do not have the same environmental impact.

  • Really? Really?
    I miss the old /.
  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:39PM (#63866621)

    And you can butt fuck him - Apple

  • by Mspangler ( 770054 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:41PM (#63866627)

    Just to repeat what I wrote previously: I added some more comments in the brackets.

    Titanium is one of the most environmentally unfriendly materials available.

    1) Take ilmenite ore [from mining which Greens oppose] and boil in sulfuric acid [either from mining or as a byproduct of heavy oil refining] until it breaks down leaving you iron in solution and titanium dioxide.
    2) Filter and dry the TiO2 then put it into a reactor. Heat to red heat, [requiring large amounts of fossil fuel energy] then add chlorine gas [produced by electrolysis of brine, which requires more energy].
    3)The reaction is endothermic so ever so often you have to turn off the chlorine and reheat the reactor and remaining TiO2. [more energy]
    4) Now you have titanium tetrachloride in a vapor and you can run that through a distillation column to clean it up. [the waste chlorides have to be neutralized and disposed of in a landfill]
    5) The TiCl4 is now put into a closed container informally called the "the bomb" for reasons that will become obvious.
    6) Now you add your choice of metallic sodium or metallic calcium, [either one produced by mining the ore, then processing it by electrolysis at high temperatures (700C for sodium) at great energy cost] close up the bomb and light it.
    7) The resulting reaction is highly exothermic and after the vessel is done bouncing around you let it cool completely. [all that energy you have stuffed into the process is completely lost]
    8) Open the vessel up and you have salt and titanium metal in sponge form. That gets lightly crushed and the salt washed away. [now you have dirty salt water to dispose of]
    9) Take the Ti sponge and put it into either a vacuum induction furnace or an argon blanketed induction furnace. Melt it down, add alloying elements if any, and cast it under argon and now you have a useful piece of metal. [add even more energy/]

    One other note, titanium is hard to ignite, but if you do set it on fire you are not putting it out.

    So they removed a organic biodegradable substance that is the byproduct of dinner and substituted one of the most difficult and environmentally costly metals to refine, both in the name of trendiness.

    So which product embodies more CO2? The watchband or the titanium case? One cow produces how many watch bands? How many cute animals were dispossessed by the multiple mining operations [including energy inputs] to produce the titanium?

    MDFs took the place over. (Moron-Dolt-Fools).

    Feel free to forward this to Apple.

    • You could do the math and let us know. Until then it's just you speculating.

      • But is it Kobe Ti ?
        China, which produces 110,000 tons of titanium every year.
        Japan, which produces 50,000 tons of titanium every year.
        Russia, which produces 33,000 tons of titanium every year.
        What is the net weight of Ti in a new iPhone?
      • by Mspangler ( 770054 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:30PM (#63866905)

        https://www.scielo.br/j/bjb/a/... [scielo.br]

        See tables 3, 4, 5.

        My major was in metallurgical engineering with a specialization in extractive metallurgy. I worked in mining for ten years until the career field dissipated due to Clinton, Gore, and Babbitt deciding to export the industry just like Biden is doing now.

        That is why I know about this stuff.

        Also, I grew up on a farm, cows are not worthy of your worship. Chickens are even less worthy.

    • by NoMoreACs ( 6161580 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @10:48PM (#63867611)

      Just to repeat what I wrote previously: I added some more comments in the brackets.

      Titanium is one of the most environmentally unfriendly materials available.

      1) Take ilmenite ore [from mining which Greens oppose] and boil in sulfuric acid [either from mining or as a byproduct of heavy oil refining] until it breaks down leaving you iron in solution and titanium dioxide.
      2) Filter and dry the TiO2 then put it into a reactor. Heat to red heat, [requiring large amounts of fossil fuel energy] then add chlorine gas [produced by electrolysis of brine, which requires more energy].
      3)The reaction is endothermic so ever so often you have to turn off the chlorine and reheat the reactor and remaining TiO2. [more energy]
      4) Now you have titanium tetrachloride in a vapor and you can run that through a distillation column to clean it up. [the waste chlorides have to be neutralized and disposed of in a landfill]
      5) The TiCl4 is now put into a closed container informally called the "the bomb" for reasons that will become obvious.
      6) Now you add your choice of metallic sodium or metallic calcium, [either one produced by mining the ore, then processing it by electrolysis at high temperatures (700C for sodium) at great energy cost] close up the bomb and light it.
      7) The resulting reaction is highly exothermic and after the vessel is done bouncing around you let it cool completely. [all that energy you have stuffed into the process is completely lost]
      8) Open the vessel up and you have salt and titanium metal in sponge form. That gets lightly crushed and the salt washed away. [now you have dirty salt water to dispose of]
      9) Take the Ti sponge and put it into either a vacuum induction furnace or an argon blanketed induction furnace. Melt it down, add alloying elements if any, and cast it under argon and now you have a useful piece of metal. [add even more energy/]

      One other note, titanium is hard to ignite, but if you do set it on fire you are not putting it out.

      So they removed a organic biodegradable substance that is the byproduct of dinner and substituted one of the most difficult and environmentally costly metals to refine, both in the name of trendiness.

      So which product embodies more CO2? The watchband or the titanium case? One cow produces how many watch bands? How many cute animals were dispossessed by the multiple mining operations [including energy inputs] to produce the titanium?

      MDFs took the place over. (Moron-Dolt-Fools).

      Feel free to forward this to Apple.

      Blah, blah, blah. Most metal refining has ugly processing steps.

      Quit trying to baffle us with bullshit.

      Just how much Titanium do you think it will take to form the wraparound band portion of all the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max chassis that will ever be produced? Now how do you think that compares with the amount of Titanium that is mined and extracted for the pigments, as well as the thousands of aerospace, medical devices and plastics industries?

      Hint: 95% of Titanium ends up in. . . Paint!

      https://techiescientist.com/us... [techiescientist.com]

      Yet it's Apple that's gonna doom us all with Titanium iPhone outer bands. Riiight.

      BTW, the iPhones with Titanium "bands" actually have a subchassis made from Recycled Aluminum; further significantly reducing the total amount of Titanium used per phone.

      Go find another Strawman to Burn, Man. . .

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @03:48PM (#63866651)

    You can get very nice third-party iPhone cases for less money than Apple charges. And they typically have the features you want, versus the features Apple thinks you should have.

  • Big fan of Spigen (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:07PM (#63866699)

    Especially their Tough Armor series. Really good protection, not too bulky, has a fairly low profile look and you get a little kickstand. I'm a clumsy bastard so I drop my phone a lot and theye always held up.

  • Probably cork is a good alternative. Silicone isn't quite as good but still better than plastic.

  • Here's an idea. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Fly Swatter ( 30498 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:23PM (#63866743) Homepage
    Maybe Apple should make a phone so good it doesn't even need a case. Thin thin thin! But then you go and put an ugly thick protective case on something that wouldn't need one if it was just a little bit thicker and sturdier...

    They could even add texture for grip and render another entire market to the buggy whip garbage bin.
    • Maybe Apple should make a phone so good it doesn't even need a case.

      Who said the phone needs a case? Many people consider the case the fashion part of their fashion accessory. Who the heck wants a bland naked iPhone. Even before smartphone cases existed we customised the cases on our phone.

      Next you're going to try and tell me that woman have just one handbag and only use them or buy them based on their ability to carry things.

  • by peterww ( 6558522 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:27PM (#63866751)

    Just give me rubber or plastic that won't slip out of my hand or break the phone.

    Even better: DON'T MAKE THE PHONE SLIPPERY AND EASILY BREAKABLE, REQUIRING A CASE.

    Just a thought.

  • by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @04:29PM (#63866755)
    If Apple actually gave a damn about the environment, then why do they miss the most important choices
    Upgrade, I had been upgrading computers since my TRS-80 days, Apple is a tightly closed box now, 3rd party upgrades are also impossible.
    Repair , I have circuit diagrams of all my old computers, TRS-80, Osbourne1, Kaypro, Sinclair, Amstrad,Commodore, etc etc etc.
    I STILL get full service documentation for biomedical equipment, etc, etc I service.
    Spare parts, there are plenty of highly skilled people who do not work for Apple who can replace faulty items.
    If Apple wants to supply the parts (at a fair price, not some jacked up price) to ensure the encryption is maintained, so be it. But dont screw over your customers by treating each repair cost as being the same as someone buying new.
    We have seen companies quote us over $32k for a "linux box" as the interface between a PC and a high end piece of equipment, it was based on a celeron ,4MB of ram, a 128Gb SSD , preinstalled linux and a frame grabber card. We were able to "fix" the old one by removing all th socketed items, clean them with some isopropyl, redo and heat sink paste, and reassemble.
  • Need a good premium case for your expensive Smartphone? I recommend the cases from urban armor gear. Premium quality, perfect fit, excellent protection. Prices, but so is Apples stuff, and uag cases are better.

  • are not words that go together. Apple is the only manufacturer I've heard of which has had a decade of cords that fray, keyboards which die from a spec of dust, cases which peel & delaminate, etc.
  • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @05:23PM (#63866885)

    Really tired of the "greenwashing" of every bad product. "It's good for the environment!"

    Look - no it's not. You used petroleum to produce that thing.

    Let's take leather, and carbon footprints. Leather comes from cows. Cows are a renewable resource. While methane [sciencenews.org] -very well may be- a horrible greenhouse gas, there are other things which are far worse - such as nitrous oxide, which is 250+x as bad for the environment.

    Do you know what produces nitrous oxide in extremely high volume? Decaying leaves. ( Clearly, we need to eliminate the use and growth of leaves. )

    I have a wallet I made over 20 years ago at this point, out of leather. It's nothing special, just a rough piece of deerhide I fashioned into a pouch thick credit-card shaped pouch and stitched up. I'd made it after probably my third or fourth expensive synthetic wallet had fallen apart from use. It looks worn, but it doesn't look bad: it hasn't lost any integrity (though I did restitch it about 5 years ago). Unlike the oil used to create the crap cheap pleather which went into the $40 wallets, there are now more deer in the woods than when I'd made it.

  • While not making leather cases might lower Apple's environmental footprint, will it really lower footprint overall? At Apple's scale, the leather cases they make probably have a good bit lower footprint per unit than other brands made in smaller batches. So if 1/3 of folks keep buying leather cases, but from other sources, maybe the overall impact is zero.

    The lowest-carbon (and best-user-experience) option would be a big advertising campaign to get people to stop using any of these unnecessary cases...which

  • Furries finally have their own iPhone accessory.
  • You cannot decide what the public wants. If the public wants leather they will get leather from you or from someone else.
  • by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Thursday September 21, 2023 @07:09PM (#63867185)
    Please excuse me for being slightly off-topic here, but what is the point of designing a phone with a premium look and feel while simultaneously being so fragile that it requires protecting it with a case that completely hides that premium look and feel? Either make the phone out of materials durable enough to withstand a reasonable amount of accidents or allow users to choose first-party customization options built into the phone to make it less brittle. Either way, covering phones in glass is extremely stupid and Apple and their copycats need to put a permanent end to this practice.
  • by Miles_O'Toole ( 5152533 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @12:22AM (#63867781)

    "The company won't sell leather iPhone cases and straps anymore because making them at Apple's scale has a significant carbon footprint, according to Lisa Jackson, the company's environmental policy VP."

    Even though I own an iPhone, that doesn't stop me from hating these people sometimes. As long as we continue to eat cattle, pigs, goats and sheep, there's not going to be any shortage of skin to be turned into leather. This is just another case of Apple playing consumers for suckers, insisting all the while it's about the environment rather than good old corporate greed.

  • by dolmen.fr ( 583400 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @08:58AM (#63868697) Homepage

    Leather is just a by-product of producing milk and meat.

    The world has now more leather available than it uses as leather use is much lower than material available.

    Processing leather has an environmental cost (for example chemicals used for tainting), but gas emissions by cows is not the problem as leather production is not what drives farming.

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