iPhone 15 USB-C Rumor Calls Out High-Speed Data Transfers As a Pro-Only Feature (theverge.com) 139
The iPhone 15 Pro models are in line for a massive upgrade to their wired transfer speeds with the switch to USB-C, according to noted analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. Unfortunately, he doesn't believe that benefit is coming to the regular 2023 iPhones. The Verge reports: He predicts that the 15 and 15 Plus will also swap in USB-C ports but, just like the 2022 10th-gen iPad, they'll be stuck with the same USB 2.0 speeds they had with Lighting. Kuo made the prediction in a series of tweets on Wednesday and says the information is from his "latest survey." (The analyst is known for getting information from supply chain sources.) He specified by predicting that the "15 Pro & 15 Pro Max will support at least USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3." If that's true, that'd mean they could transfer data at speeds up to 40 Gbps -- a boon for people who actually use the Pro phones to shoot a lot of ProRes video and raw photos, where even fast WiFi and cloud uploads aren't really a good substitute.
But lightning is better (Score:5, Funny)
Every apple fan everywhere says lightning is better, so there's no way this can be true. This was forced on apple, after all, because anything apple didn't invent is always inferior.
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Lightning is better for the features that count. By your logic, using PCIe x16 would be better than USB-C because it's faster. People use the cable to charge, they don't bulk transfer massive amounts of data.
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Lightning is better for the features that count. By your logic, using PCIe x16 would be better than USB-C because it's faster. People use the cable to charge, they don't bulk transfer massive amounts of data.
Like its non-existent HDMI support ?
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Lightning is better for the features that count. By your logic, using PCIe x16 would be better than USB-C because it's faster. People use the cable to charge, they don't bulk transfer massive amounts of data.
USB-C is better for power delivery in every single metric, due to USB-PD (which lightning cannot do), and its 24 conductors.
Further than that, you couldn't be more wrong that people don't bulk transfer massive amounts of data.
Photo, Music, and Backups are real transfers that really happen. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean they're not used.
They're used enough that every major linux distribution bothers to include the software to do the transfers.
And just for shits and giggles, USB-C can tra
Re: But lightning is better (Score:2)
I hope models sold in the EU have the slowest speed possible.
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Re:But lightning is better (Score:4, Informative)
What "current-gen Lightning" are you taking about? The iPhone 14 Pro is still at USB 2.0 speeds [macrumors.com]. There were rumors that it would get a faster data link, but they were wrong.
Re:But lightning is better (Score:5, Interesting)
Too bad Apple, as a member of the USB Implementer's Forum, didn't bring their new connector to the USB-IF as a proposed standard. Instead, they combined it with a DRM chip to make sure they really fucked their customers by being as anticompetitive as possible, and made it proprietary in every way. Now their connector is going into one of the wastebins of history, labeled "Apple's Hubris".
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I have known of no cable owned by me or anyone close to me that failed as often as the fucking lightning cable. Truly, those things are fucking trash.
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Once for lightning and none for any other cable? If you are having lightning cables fail frequently then it's on you.
My most frequently failing cables are HDMI. Not mechanical failures, signaling ones. Companies other than Apple sell lightning cables, they are as durable as anything else.
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My most frequently failing cables are HDMI. Not mechanical failures, signaling ones.
wat
Re:But lightning is better (Score:5, Funny)
The electrons wear out over time, especially if you're moving 4K video
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The electrons wear out over time, especially if you're moving 4K video
Yeah, or if you do 3d, sometimes they get out of the cable because they're not following a flat path any more.
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If you're about to get up here and say you haven't replaced 47 lightning cables because they only charge your phone if you don't look at them too hard, then A) you don't own an iPhone, or B) you're full of shit.
Now me, I've never had a single HDMI cable fail in my entire life... But there's an obvious reason for that- I'm not fucking plugging and unplugging them 10 times a day.
Re: But lightning is better (Score:2)
They werenâ(TM)t very reliable a decade ago, but the cable I use every day is six years old and looks fine. Iâ(TM)ve got another one that I use less frequently that is at least as old that is also fine. What are you doing to your cables?
Meanwhile Iâ(TM)m trying decide if I should upgrade my iPhone 8 this year and avoid the cost and annoyance of creating all e-waste or if care enough about the speeds of USB-C. I suspect like most iPhone users I do most of my data transfers wirelessly. I ha
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They werenâ(TM)t very reliable a decade ago, but the cable I use every day is six years old and looks fine. Iâ(TM)ve got another one that I use less frequently that is at least as old that is also fine. What are you doing to your cables?
Regular wear and tear. Plug, unplug.
Look at the connections on your Lightning cable.
They're PCB traces. You can scrape them off with your fingernail and enough effort.
The most common failure mode for me, is one of those traces gets damaged, and the phone will only charge in a certain orientation anymore (i.e., the port becomes single-orientation instead of dual), or if the cable is inserted at just the right angle so that the narrow pins inside the female side of the connector hit the right part of the d
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They're PCB traces. You can scrape them off with your fingernail and enough effort.
great idea!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) are highly carcinogenic chemical compounds,
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I have memories of just dealing with the fact that the cables were defective (Often, my cables would still work if they were in a specific orientation)
I transitioned to only using Apple cables several years ago because people told me my cables were failing because they were off-brand.
Turns out the cheap shitty traces on Apple cables aren't any less likely to be scratched off or otherwis
Re: But lightning is better (Score:2)
Amen. Can't ditch lightning fast enough.
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Yeah, I really don't care about the connector — That is, lots of people have had problems with every single connector standard so none of them are perfect, AFAICT they all suck pretty bad in fact. I thought by now we would have bidi optical with coaxial power. In fact there is a mini toslink standard which goes into the 3.5mm port!
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It's not that it's evolving, it's that mini TOSlink in your headphone jack dates from back in the day. My friend who had Minidisc stuff had one player which had such a jack. But there's no reason that standard couldn't have evolved into bidirectional communications and power on a much nicer plug. I guess what happened is it got easier/cheaper to do high speeds over copper. At one time there was a IEEE1394 roadmap which had a ~3Gbps link over fiber, with power conductors in the same cable, but Apple killed 1
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Interesting ideas, but nearly all wrong. I plugged a mac firewire webcam into my PC and it worked just fine. The PCI card I was plugging it into at the time had a "molex" (yeah I know) drive power connector just like this one [amazon.com] to supply power to devices. The 4-pin ports didn't have power, almost nobody but Sony [sony.com] used them though. Most implemented the 6-pin ports with power. My last couple of motherboards had either them, or a header to add one. The licensing fee is on the standard itself, apparently it is no [wikipedia.org]
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I've made an account specifically after lurking here a while, just to say, shut the fuck up. At this point I'm not sure if this is the creampie guy or whoever, every post I see your drivel spouted with nothing to add to the discussion except bring light to this guy (which very well may be you!)
If it's not him, it's something even sadder.
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We're talking about phones, not tablets. The current-gen Lightning connectors on iPhones is still USB 2.0 at 480 Mbps.
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Shouldn't be? You bet your ass.
Lightning sucks.
It's capable of USB 2 in standard configuration (480Mbps), or USB 3.1 (5Gbps) in 12-pin configuration, which is actually only broken out on one single specific Apple dongle (the "Apple USB 3 Camera Adapter Doohickey")
USB-C, in comparison, is good to 40Gbps
Lightning is flatly inferior. Hell, it's not even on par with a regular fucking USB 3.2 gen 2 cable- 10Gbps.
Re:But lightning is better (Score:5, Informative)
There is no "current or previous gen Lightning".
Lightning offers 2 speeds: 480Mbps (USB 2) or 5Gbps (USB 3.1)
The 5Gbps speed is only available if using a specific Apple dongle.
There is no support for later speeds.
You seem to be making the supposition that Lightning could be used for faster, but, to put it frankly, all available evidence to the contrary.
Where's the 10Gbps (USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 20Gbps (USB 3.2 Gen 2+2)?
Where's the 40Gbps (USB4)?
The technical reason is simple- USB 3 requires 9 pins. Lightning has 8.
Now, lightning can also be configured to use 16 pins (double sided), but a dongle is required in this instance, because USB has no mechanism for auto-sensing the orientation.
You're a shitposting fuckwit. There's a reason the iPad Pro hasn't come with a lightning connector since 2017.
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"There's a reason the iPad Pro hasn't come with a lightning connector since 2017."
What is that reason? You haven't provided one. I would suggest that the benefits of USB-C have to do with power, not data rates.
Are you arguing that the lightning connector CANNOT be updated to newer data rate standards? That would be remarkable.
The usage case for lightning does not include high data rates, if it did then the spec would be updated to include them. The issue is moot now, USB-C will be used because it is man
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Are you arguing that the lightning connector CANNOT be updated to newer data rate standards? That would be remarkable.
Of course you can. But you have to replace all your cables, because of Apple's DRM chip which also limits charge rate.
The usage case for lightning does not include high data rates
That's one reason why it sucks, yes.
Re:But lightning is better (Score:4, Insightful)
What is that reason? You haven't provided one. I would suggest that the benefits of USB-C have to do with power, not data rates.
I literally did provide one.
Because Lightning can't provide USB-C speeds.
The fact that you disagree with that doesn't mean I didn't provide one.
As for power, what argument, exactly, are you trying to make?
You can pump 100W over USB. Over a lightning cable? 12.
Are you arguing that the lightning connector CANNOT be updated to newer data rate standards? That would be remarkable.
It literally cannot be without a redesign. Of course anything can be redesigned to support anything, but at that point... what exactly is your point again?
In orientationless arrangement, it only has 8 pins. That's insufficient for >USB2.
Using all 16 pins, it requires auto-sensing, which only USB-C is, but 16-pin lightning can't emulate USB-C's auto-sensing regime.
I.e., they need an entirely new standard to support anything greater than USB2 without a special dongle on their side that supports their form of auto-sensing.
The usage case for lightning does not include high data rates, if it did then the spec would be updated to include them. The issue is moot now, USB-C will be used because it is mandated, not because it is faster. It will make some iPhone users pissy for a while, then it will be forgotten, like headphone jacks and memory cards.
No, the switch on pro devices moved to USB-C a long time ago. Apple kept it partitioned to siphon more money off your ass.
What's surprising, is they can get you to lick their perineum clean at the same time.
Re:But lightning is better (Score:4, Insightful)
The newest LIghtning ports are what are in the iPhone. Apple doesn't sell any new devices with the connector that you are talking about. This year's iPad has a USB-C port at USB 2.0 speeds; last year's version has the same USB 2.0-based Lightning port as the iPhone. The iPad Pro moved away from Lightning in 2018. The port you call "current-gen Lightning" was an experiment specific to the iPad Pro that Apple ended five years ago, after the 2017 model.
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The newest LIghtning ports are what are in the iPhone. Apple doesn't sell any new devices with the connector that you are talking about. This year's iPad has a USB-C port at USB 2.0 speeds; last year's version has the same USB 2.0-based Lightning port as the iPhone. The iPad Pro moved away from Lightning in 2018. The port you call "current-gen Lightning" was an experiment specific to the iPad Pro that Apple ended five years ago, after the 2017 model.
Because of EU announcing they were about to ban it.
Re: But lightning is better (Score:2)
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...and it was about unifying data AND charging, a specific feature of USB-C that is far better than any other standard. It is interesting how people want to engage in partisan arguments while failing to understand why that transition happened.
The lightning connector IS better for the specific cellphone use case. It would be better for the industry to consolidate on USB-C, a common standard that is better than lightning for other use cases. Both of these things are true AND it has nothing to do with tran
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the best would have been if lightning never existed
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...and it was about unifying data AND charging, a specific feature of USB-C that is far better than any other standard. It is interesting how people want to engage in partisan arguments while failing to understand why that transition happened.
I actually agree with you that I don't understand how this became a partisan thing.
However, I think you aren't far from a partisan with your arguments, which seem to be "Nobody wants more than 480Mbps anyway"
The lightning connector IS better for the specific cellphone use case. It would be better for the industry to consolidate on USB-C, a common standard that is better than lightning for other use cases. Both of these things are true AND it has nothing to do with transfer rates.
Couldn't disagree more.
I've maintained a personal and work phone for the last decade and a half.
My work phone has been an iPhone since its release, and my personal phone has always been some kind of android.
Every Android I've had for years now has been USB-C, and I fucking love it.
I haven't had a
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LOL. Just shows how accustomed to abuse you've become by the micro-USB fiasco if you think USB-C is a great connector. The reality is that you can hang an iphone by the lightning cord it's charging from and it'll fucking JUST KEEP WORKING as long as you don't swing it too, meanwhile with the shit known as USB-C first you have to fiddle with the connector in the socket just right to get it to contact, then then carefully lay down the phone, shit it's lost contact again, fiddle again, and then carefully leave and not even breathe in the same room.
Yes, the Lightning cable absolutely has a shit ton more tension than a USB-C connector. If that's a pro for you, then call it a pro.
However, I suspect it's directly related to the high failure rate of the cables. Lightning cables don't have pins. They have etched traces. You can scrape them off with a fingernail. What do you think happens when you fight tension on a tiny spring-loaded pin against such a trace?
I don't even care about Lightning so much, for all I care it could be USB-D/E/F/Z/ZZZZZ/whatever, however long it takes for the USB committee to get its shit together, and standardize ANYTHING that doesn't take 3 piconewtons applied to the cord to break the connection. Except because of EU and now these fucktards we're going to be stuck with USB-C shit forever.
If your beef is simply that USB-C doesn't have a lot of tension, then I can respect that.
That's a
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Except that's the most important way.
Well, to you (and some other subset of people), sure.
Since you do raise a valid concern, what it really comes down to is which side is bigger? My guess is mine.
I suspect the number of people who miss being able to swing their phones by pulling on the cord is a bit smaller than those who would like modern transfer speeds on them.
As a point of discussion, lack of tension has usually been considered a good thing on corded connectors that plug into very expensive toys.
Accidentally yanking a cable does not
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Because of EU announcing they were about to ban it.
The EU didn't announce shit in 2017, much less the year prior when the iPad was going through the design phase.
But Occam's Razor comes into play given that Apple only moved a very small subset of devices over despite the fact that they had fallen behind on all consumer devices as well. Your theory is stupid when the move is explained quite simply on technical grounds.
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The port you call "current-gen Lightning" was an experiment specific to the iPad Pro that Apple ended five years ago, after the 2017 model.
It's worse than that.
There are no Lightning-to-USB3 of any kind cables.
It requires a funky ass dongle, because it requires active electronics to handle the orientation sensing.
These days, they probably could have put those on the cable, but then your $20 iPhone charging cable would cost $80 to account for the extra $0.79 cent chip.
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Your link is about pre-USB-C iPads.
I happen to also have one of those (a 12.9 1st gen)
If it is capable of USB 3, it requires some kind of magic I don't have. Plugged into my MacBook Pro right this second, it's connected at USB 2, or so says System Report. I'm using an Apple Lightning-USB-C cable.
Re: But lightning is better (Score:2)
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A little bit of research made it clear why I'm getting USB 2 speeds- that's all it can do.
USB 3 requires 9 pins, lightning has 8.
On my (old 12.9) iPad Pro model, you can get USB 3 speeds, but only with a special Apple dongle that converts the lightning into a regular A and C port.
All iPad pros after that use USB C.
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"Deliberate software fuckery?"
USB 2 vs USB 3 isn't just a software update. They are electrically distinct and require separate USBDEV.
A USB-C connection and a USB 3 compatible USB-A connection has completely separate pins for USB 2 and USB 3. If a pluggable connector is USB 3 capable it is required to be able to fall back to USB 2. However, if all you have is a USB 2 USBDEV in your device you connect it to the USB2 pins on your connector and don't connect the USB 3 pins. There's no requirement to supply US
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Some magic you don't have.
Yup, I have even discovered what that magic was. Google really is amazing.
my iPad 12.9 (1st gen) with the USB 3 capable lightning port can only do USB 3 if you have a very specific dongle from Apple, and that dongle only works in host mode, meaning it's nearly useless.
So, um, are you arguing that EU make its policy based on what some random shitposter on slashdot has in his shack?
Nobody here understands why you're trying to make this into some kind of weird political argument.
This isn't about what is in my shack.
Lightning does not support USB 3, except in 1 single isolated instance- if you have a very specific dongl
Re:But lightning is better (Score:4, Insightful)
"fascist governments" didn't decide "to hand-pick winners", effective government decided to do something to the benefit of their people and the environment.
"...not like USB-C which slides out and looses contact if you look at it wrong."
An unsurprising comment from a moron.
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"fascist governments" didn't decide "to hand-pick winners", effective government decided to do something to the benefit of their people and the environment.
"...not like USB-C which slides out and looses contact if you look at it wrong."
An unsurprising comment from a moron.
Yep, the EU didn't "pick" the winner... they waited until the market did that and then did their job of making laws that benefit the people.
Imagine if Ford had their own special formula for Gasoline and forced you to buy it... I mean the "Facsist" EU forces us all to use the same RON95 regardless of what brand of car I use.
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and not like USB-C which slides out and looses contact if you look at it wrong.
Did you a) buy a shitty cable? or b) buy a shitty phone?
That's all you need to answer, a or b, since I can very much happy dangle my phone of my USB-C cable clearly you are doing something wrong.
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The story is more OMG OMG OMG non-innovating apple have not updated lightning in 10 years. Clearly even with USB-C to copy its a task that somehow beyond them.
Would you invest heavily in technology that's about to get banned by fucking EU?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Use 5G? (Score:2, Funny)
Re: Use 5G? (Score:2)
Re: Use 5G? (Score:2)
Great plan (Score:2)
That'll work well where there's no 5G or perhaps no signal at all or the other device isn't even cell enabled.
Other than that , brilliant.
Last year's chip (Score:2)
Apple is in a habit now of having the latest, fastest SoC only in the Pro models, and last year's Pro chip in the standard models.
This means that the "iPhone 15" is probably going to get the A16 Bionic SoC from the iPhone 14 Pro.
The iPhone 14 Pro has a Lightning connector, and Lightning supports max USB 2.0. Thus the A16 probably only supports USB 2.0 speeds.
Just buy android (Score:2)
Seriously, what is the advantage of an iPhone these days other than to empty your wallet of huge amounts of cash? They have no technical advantages over Android now like they used to back in the day so unless you must have Apple because err, Apple why would you buy one?
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Security and OS updates for years. 6-7 year old iPhones run the latest OS. You’ll be lucky to get 3 years with a $1000 flagship model from Samsung or a Pixel. We all know google never cancels anything without warning. I started with Android and switched to an iPhone because everything just worked better. I don’t have to have all my friends agree on a third party messaging app because iMessage works, and works over wifi too.
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Security and OS updates for years. 6-7 year old iPhones run the latest OS.
...very slowly.
I donâ(TM)t have to have all my friends agree on a third party messaging app because iMessage works
Sure, as long as all your friends have iPhones.
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6-7 year old iPhones run the latest OS.
Oh god.
There are exactly 2 people who would say that.
1) People who have never done it.
2) People who are full of shit, either intentionally, or due to delusion.
My iPhone 6s was completely unusable after 3 years of updates.
Had to move up to an X.
The X feels like its approaching that point, now. Trying to start iMessage takes about 10 seconds.
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You’ll be lucky to get 3 years with a $1000 flagship model from Samsung or a Pixel.
This is incorrect: Google has committed to at least five years of support, now that they're using their own SoC and aren't limited by Qualcomm's support.
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
We all know google never cancels anything without warning.
AFAICT Google has never canceled anything without warning. They always provide ample warning and a way to migrate. In any case, "cancellation" isn't really an issue here; Google has publicly committed to support terms for Pixel devices, and is obligated to fulfill them.
I started with Android and switched to an iPhone because everything just worked better.
By all means, use what you li
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IOS vs Android: Social Status :( + simplicity (Score:2)
Seriously, what is the advantage of an iPhone these days other than to empty your wallet of huge amounts of cash? They have no technical advantages over Android now like they used to back in the day so unless you must have Apple because err, Apple why would you buy one?
My wife made me switch to an iPhone for sharing notes and photos easier. So we rewarded Apple for their bad behavior. I assumed I'd find a dozen little things better on Android and a dozen little things better on Apple. After 9 months, I found dozens of tiny things Android did better (like more streamlined WiFi or Bluetooth dialogs..things that are VERY tiny), but haven't yet found anything I think Apple does better. I generally like Google's ecosystem better (Maps/Photos), but can't give an indisputabl
Apple sued for tracking users' activity (Score:4, Interesting)
Seriously, what is the advantage of an iPhone these days
1. Less tracking 2. Less malware 3. Much better integration with MacOS 4. Simpler, more intuitive interfaces
I use an iPhone mostly because of #3 and because it was free (my daughter gave it to me when she upgraded).
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It would also be easily address by pointing out non-Apple phones allow users to install custom roms which do get security and feature updates and can run all Android apps just fine. Something Apple as babysitter doesn't allow its infantile users to do.
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1.false
2.true
3.oh goody
4.horseshit
free is a good reason though
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2.true
Apple doesn’t let devs do anything with the OS, so it’s harder for hackers to do anything as well. You can disable all unnecessarily privileges in android with each app, which helps cut down damage, but then you are in a constant state of denial.
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Apple doesnâ(TM)t let devs do anything with the OS
What does this mean to you? Because to me it means apple doesn't let devs modify the OS. Otherwise it is a purely false statement, since like every other operating system, you "do things" with the OS through APIs, and that's literally how your applications function. And except on rooted phones, apps can't modify Android either.
You can disable all unnecessarily privileges in android with each app, which helps cut down damage, but then you are in a constant state of denial.
iOS apps can also request unnecessary privileges, and abuse them. It's literally no different from Android in that regard. You can also disable them individually, which is also no dif
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Are you sure you know who's in a constant state of denial?
I don’t know, maybe the person who couldn’t see an obviously fake electrostatic drone and thought it was real, or the guy who does not understand basic thermodynamics but thinks he does, or the guy who is for green tech and energy but doesn’t understand how unnecessary solar cell tariffs crippled adoption is in one. Maybe they are all the same person.
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maybe the person who couldnâ(TM)t see an obviously fake electrostatic drone and thought it was real
You've still presented no evidence the drone is fake. Nor has anyone else.
or the guy who does not understand basic thermodynamics but thinks he does
No idea what you're blathering about here
or the guy who is for green tech and energy but doesnâ(TM)t understand how unnecessary solar cell tariffs crippled adoption is in one
That myth again? The chinese were dumping panels to kill other producers [voanews.com]. You really don't know anything about anything, do you?
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You've still presented no evidence the drone is fake. Nor has anyone else.
The company themselves provided the evidence, it was obvious a silent system does not make blaring ducted fan noise. But in case someone of your eduction level needs help, look at this video made after my post saying identically the same things [youtube.com], makes me wonder if he reads slashdot.
No idea what you're blathering about here
Exactly
That myth again? The chinese were dumping panels to kill other producers [voanews.com].
Now that’s rich! Your own link says tariffs crippled adoption.
In response, the Commerce Department imposed tariffs on Chinese solar panels of as much as 250% of their sales price. The result was a rapid decline in U.S. imports of Chinese solar equipment, from $2.8 billion in 2011 to less than $400 million in 2020
When an environmentalist hears that China is subsiding solar they think “wow” and demand American companies get subsidy too so the worl
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4. faggot
I'd rather be a queer than a coward any day of the week.
Clearly you're just a troll and not an Apple Fanboy Troll, because you certainly wouldn't use a product which comes from a company with a homosexual CEO.
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He forgot a "5. Because that what I prefer and it's none of your fucking business."
Nope. He made it our business when he talked about it on a public forum. Welcome to the internets!
Re: Just buy android (Score:5, Insightful)
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there has been many Android devices which are both ipx7 rated AND have a removable back. The two are not mutually exclusive. Altough they seem to follow Apple's "lead" and don't offer replaceable batteries anymore.
The 2022 iPhone SE scores 100 on DxoMark for the camera, same score as the cheap Pixel 4a from 2020. In general, iPhones have OK cameras for the price. Yes, the 14 Pro Max is good, but it's very expensive.
https://www.dxomark.com/smartp... [dxomark.com]
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The problem with android is that there is a sea of inferior hardware with only pixel and galaxy rising to the flagship level of hardware.
It's called choice. I know it's hard to understand for those buying Apple products, but some people like choosing the best product for their need. Some people are fine with a $200 phone, and some people prefer to pay for flagships. It's a big advantage of Android that you can choose, but you see it as a problem.
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Even the cheap SE has good cameras why do you assume all iphones are costly?
It's relative. But I would say the SE is upper mid-range, not cheap, at $US 429
Its camera is OK, but for the price Pixels have better cameras. The Pixel 4a, released two years before, and at a lower price ($349) has a similar camera, at least according to DxoMark. The more direct competitor, the $459 Pixel 6a, scores much better.
https://www.dxomark.com/smartp... [dxomark.com]
But there is one area where android sucks, and thats support consistency across all manufacturers. When people ask me 'how do I get it to stop doing X' and I am pretty sure its a feature (like not ringing at 2am because you setup a DND schedule) the first thing I do is hit google. Then I find that the online instructions are exactly how not to find where to adjust these settings. What I find is that if you gave me 3 different Android phones of different flavors, finding WHERE to make that change is always somewhere different across all 3 phones. Its not even a simple version different, the vendors that package these move stuff around in the name of branding. Those low end androids they give out like PEZ with some of these carriers seem to be Android in kernel name only. At least with IOS I only have to worry about software versions. If we are both running IOS 15, it doesnt matter if you are using an iphone 8, iphone SE 2020, iphone SE 2022, iphone X, iphone 11 Pro (you get the point), the settings are all in the same place nested under the same headings, on the same screens.
It could be worse, every manufacturer could have its own OS, like Apple is doing. In fact, just call it Samsung OS if you prefer. Samsung O
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It's the old discontinued version. The 2022 version, still being sold by Apple and other official channels, sells for $429 and is the cheapest iPhone currently offered.
Of course, old cell phones can be bought for cheap. You can probably find older iPhones for $50 as well.
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The Galaxy A series is pretty large, and some are decent modern phones (like A53), in the same league as iPhone SE.
Galaxy J is crappier, of course, especially since the last model is from 2018 (and they were low-end phone to begin with, so they do not age well). I think the smaller numbers A series (such as A13) replaced them.
But again, the iPhone 12 mini is a discontinued phone, so they are fire selling what little they have left. I've never seen such deals in my country however, but I don't think you can
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why do so many people think that having choices (especially cheaper ones) is a bad thing? there are flagship androids that cost the same as iPhone, but with better features... and there are bare bones cheap androids for those who just need the basics.
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That outdated iPhone is outclassed in most categories by a half-the-price outdated Moto G Power. [phonearena.com] It has a slightly better screen and shoots 4k video and high-speed 1080p, and it has wireless charging; in most other respects it is inferior. Also, I'm comparing an unlocked Moto phone to your locked iPhone.
The simple fact is that you pay a premium for the Apple logo and to be locked into a walled garden. You might argue that most people don't pay for phones up front, and there's some merit to the argument, but
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You mention walled garden but theres nothing more walled than a low end phone with so little resources you cant do much of anything with it. Its walled by resource limitations.
Look, I'm comparing low-end phones, and the old Moto I compared to the old iPhone SE has the same or more resources, it has a more powerful processor and more RAM. I really respect people's right to spend their money how they see fit, but the argument that a cheap Android phone means poor performance is total nonsense. My Moto G Power 2021 4GB/64GB was all in $250 with tax and a two year parts and service full replacement plan in case of accidental destruction, it's got 8 plenty pissed off cores, a halfway
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plus, android doesn't do planned obsolescence like iPhone does. when you get an old android, it will work just like when it was new. on iPhone, they send out software updates to kill your performance so that you will get a new one.
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I cant say that for android.
I hope not. Typically it's not a good idea to compare a single hardware product to an generic family of operating systems. The two are very different things.
Also how much of a fanboy do you have to be to celebrate Apple's waterproof rating given they are one of the *last* manufacturers to offer IP68 phones on the market. I was with you with the camera, the iPhone is damn good with that. But seriously man put down the koolaid.
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1. Apple is as bad as Google, but if you really care about tracking, you switch to LineageOS and don't use any service from Google or Apple. Firefox works fine as a browser.
2. Honestly this is over-hyped. I've never seen any Android malware (unless you count Facebook as malware, of course). I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but you really need to want to get malware to get infected. If you allow unknown sources and install random APKs downloaded manually, then of course you only have yourself to blame. And y
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4. Simpler, more intuitive interfaces
Tell that to the several family members of mine who ditched the iPhone for Android because they found it infuriating to use. Incidentally that was also the point my sister stopped buying music linked to some store. I'm sure Apple may offer a way to export music from (at the time) iTunes that you purchased for another device, but she couldn't find it and gave up.
There's nothing simple about using an Apple device. There's just something that *suits you personally*.
a boon to stupid videographers? (Score:2)
"...a boon for people who actually use the Pro phones to shoot a lot of ProRes video and raw photos, where even fast WiFi and cloud uploads aren't really a good substitute."
So it will appeal to SuperKendall "Photo pros". They'll have to make that work between a phone and an iPad though, since those innovative photographers believe the ultimate photography workflow uses a tablet rather than a PC. Ask SuperKendall, that renowned, published photo pro, iOS developer and emacs-using IT admin superhero.
The trou
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This will be great if I ever go back to like 2006 and actually use the wire for file transfer. Like maybe I could transfer my MP3 collection super quick.
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Release it as a USB-C connector, but "chip" it, so that unless it was manufactured/licensed by Apple, you don't get the full speed or charging.
Yeah, because they want to be dragged by the EU again.