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Apple Sued for Allegedly Deceiving Users With Privacy Settings (gizmodo.com) 34

"Apple is facing a class action lawsuit for allegedly harvesting iPhone user data even when the company's own privacy settings promise not to," reports Gizmodo: The suit, filed Thursday in California federal court, comes days after Gizmodo exclusively reported on research into how multiple iPhone apps send Apple analytics data, regardless of whether the iPhone Analytics privacy setting is turned on or off. The problem was spotted by two independent researchers at the software company Mysk, who found that the Apple App Store sends the company exhaustive information about nearly everything a user does in the app, despite a privacy setting, iPhone Analytics, which claims to "disable the sharing of Device Analytics altogether" when switched off.

Gizmodo asked the researchers to run additional tests on other iPhone apps, including Apple Music, Apple TV, Books, and Stocks. The researchers found that the problem persists across most of Apple's suite of built-in iPhone apps....

[I]n the tests, turning the iPhone Analytics setting off had no evident effect on the data collection, nor did any of the iPhone's other built-in settings meant to protect your privacy from Apple's data collection. Mysk's tests on the App Store found that Apple receives that data along with details that can identify you and your device, including ID numbers, what kind of phone you're using, your screen resolution, your keyboard languages and how you're connected to the internet — the kind of information commonly used for device fingerprinting.

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Apple Sued for Allegedly Deceiving Users With Privacy Settings

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  • Apple gets your data (Score:5, Interesting)

    by shubus ( 1382007 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @04:39PM (#63046063)
    Yes, it's been confirmed from multiple sources that Apple's own apps are harvesting your data. And there is no way to turn it off. Let's hope this suit goes forward in a big way.
    • You are the product, not the phone. It downloads to mother base. Even politicians and Judges. Too bad a subset of hacks of NSO tool Phantom are not too hard to buy and deploy if you know where to look, along with tower software. Good luck explaining to a jury that off is really on. Fractionally better will not cut it.
    • All my friends are aware that I own absolutely nothing that originated from that "A" company. Such reports of anti-social activity seem all so regular, stuff like slowing down the operation of an older phone in order to promote the sale of newer, now faster phones, and stuff so old I only remember being outraged, without remembering what it was about.

      Apple can pound sand. My dollars go elsewhere, almost anywhere else.

  • If Apple is harvesting data when asked no, they should be fined and sanctioned to the maximum extent of the law

    The caveat being how the data is harvested and how it being used.

    • Re:This is bad (Score:5, Interesting)

      by hdyoung ( 5182939 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:22PM (#63046131)
      Apple is getting deeper and deeper into the ad business, and that’s driven by user data. Unfortunately, this is going to cause me to be less trustful of them.

      This is a bad direction for Apple. Their success is built on charging a LOT of $$$ up front but then delivering long-term quality hardware and putting the customer experience first. They will NOT be able to maintain that while simultaneously adopting the Google-Facebook data-driven approach.

      If Apple doesn’t pull back from this ad thing, they will cook the goose thats been laying their golden eggs for 15 years. And I seriously doubt that ad revenue will make up for the loss from that. If Apple devices are harvesting my data and pushing tons of ads just like google and facebook, I might as well just go Android for my phone, MS surface for my tablet, and save thousands of dollars.
      • If Apple doesn’t pull back from this ad thing, they will cook the goose thats been laying their golden eggs for 15 years. And I seriously doubt that ad revenue will make up for the loss from that.

        I'd like to believe that analysis, but I have too much experience with otherwise-intelligent people who've drunk Microsoft's Kool-Aid and readily defend the company against any and all criticism. I don't expect it to be any better - and it will probably be even worse - for the majority of Apple users. As long as they have their shiny and stuff just works, they'll look the other way while Apple lies to them and steals their privacy.

      • Re:This is bad (Score:5, Insightful)

        by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:29PM (#63046279)
        Their success is in branding, not actually delivering quality hardware or putting customer experience first -- they have just convinced a cult-like following that they do these things.
        • This is a stupid take and you should feel bad.

          The hardware is high quality. The software is high quality. These things should not be in dispute, not because lots of people use the phones, but lots of people find the phones useful. The independent reviews are good. The objective measurements of the performance and lifetimes of the devices is at least as good as the top Android devices.

          Does Apple have the best marketing machine? Absolutely. But they couldn't sell a polished turd forever, and they're not. They

      • Re:This is bad (Score:5, Insightful)

        by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @07:02PM (#63046331) Homepage Journal

        Apple has always collected user data. This isn't new, and it isn't due to their ad platform.

        Their whole "privacy" thing has always been marketing spin. It was originally conceived to explain why Siri was so much worse than the Google Assistant: Apple had access to less data because they collected less than Google did. This somehow became "Apple respects your privacy" even though it was really "Apple has a smaller user base" and from there the myth of Apple privacy grew, with Apple actively marketing it.

        But it's never been true. Apple has always collected as much data from everyone as they could get away. Your iPhone tracks your GPS location, the towers it can see, the signal strength of wifi networks, and more, and all of that is sent back to Apple for a variety of reasons, such as traffic data for Apple Maps. None of this is new.

        The really scary thing is that Apple now tracks a lot of health data, and a lot of that is "backed up" in iCloud. Apple will tell you that it's all encrypted, but they conveniently don't explain is that the key to access it is also backed up to iCloud. It's unclear how much access to health data they have as part of "anonymized usage statistics" and I would hope anyone here is aware that a lot of "anonymized data" is trivially de-anonymized.

        The data isn't just used for ads, it's also used for product development. And the ads aren't going away. The problem with ads, is that it's always a race to the bottom. Purchase Price + Ad Fees is always more than Purchase Price alone. And as long as consumers have no other options, it just becomes a race to see who can add the most ads. Ads will never be removed, because you can always make more money with them than without.

        • Yeah, found it hilarious when Microsoft copied Apple and started collecting some of the same data Apple had collected for years; users not only complained (ofcourse non-cults are always more critical), but some said they would be moving to Apple as a result :D

      • The jokes on you. You should have never trusted them years ago. Antennagate, nutrition labels, banning white hat hackers without doing anything to mitigate how leaky the app store is for both privacy and command and control)
    • That's why open source OSs are needed: who can audit closed source software to assure it's not doing nasty thing? The same applies to M$ Windows...
    • Re:This is bad (Score:4, Interesting)

      by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:25PM (#63046145)
      Apparently, US law makers are perfectly fine with corporations performing dragnet bulk surveillance to collect sensitive information on US citizens, including govt. & corporate employees & executives, who have access to highly sensitive commercial & public security information, to do with whatever they want without any oversight or accountability. The privacy settings on phone & apps is an insignificant detail in the grand scheme of what's going on before everyone's eyes. Hopefully in a few years, they'll look back on this & think, "What the f**k did we think we were doing?"
  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:39PM (#63046179)

    I know I didn't. Or any other company for that matter, but especially Apple.

    Boycott or suffer.

    • There is literally an unlimited supply of Apple Fanboys on this site who literally think that choosing Apple increases their privacy, that Apple doesn't spy on them, that if they are collecting data they are using it responsibly, blah blah blah. I have been modded down by them time and again for pointing out that their favorite software is not any more trustworthy than anyone else's. We have known for over a decade that Apple is part of PRISM, they literally do not have a choice about whether they hand your

  • by Ayanami_R ( 1725178 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @05:44PM (#63046197)

    Privacy to them means other entities harvesting data, it does not apply to them. Completely expected.

    I find it HILARIOUS that it's Giz reporting this, lost phone thing from the past and all. Karma can take time to do it's thing.

  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Saturday November 12, 2022 @06:14PM (#63046257)
    Is Apple wants you to think that your data is private. Meta doesn't care, but they aslo don't deny they are collecting your data. The crazy thing is they use anti-competitive practices (like telling users they are going to stop Meta from collecting data on their behalf) in the guise that they are helping users keep their data private, when in reality they are collecting the data for themselves. That is unethical.
  • Shocked! I say...
  • The real answer if you dont want to be spied on is dont have a smart phone, social media, or a computer for that matter.
  • Gosh, would Apple really do something underhanded and self-serving and then lie about it?

  • I look forward to my $2 coupon 10 years from now when this finally gets through the court system and the lawyers have had their fill at the pig trough.
  • My assumption is and will always be that every app from every developer is collecting everything I do with it, selling my data, and lying about it.

    And I'm actually not sure what to think of anybody who assumes otherwise...other than that their doing so raises very interesting questions.

  • ...get slapped with the wet fish of reality and finally realize the difference between privacy and confidentiality

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