Pressuring Apple to Fix Texting, Google's Android Will Force iPhone Users to Read Descriptions of Reaction Emojis (businessinsider.com) 213
"Google is giving Apple a taste of its own medicine," reports Business Insider, arguing that the latest update to Android's messaging app "is going to make texting between iPhone and Androids even more annoying than it already is." [Alternate URL]
The updates are great if you're an Android user. Google Messages' new features include the ability to reply to individual messages, star them, and set reminders on texts. But these features and some other updates to Messages are RCS-enabled, meaning they're not going to be very compatible with SMS, which is the texting standard that iMessage switches to when messaging someone without an iPhone. iPhones exchange messages using iMessage, Apple's proprietary messaging system, but revert to SMS when texting an Android.
One feature that's part of Google's payback to Apple is that now, when Messages users react to an SMS text with an emoji, iPhone users will get a text saying the other person reacted to their text with a description of whatever emoji the person used. It's similar to when iMessage users react to an SMS text, with the recipient getting a "so and so loved" message instead of seeing the heart emoji reaction.... In August, Android launched a page on its website calling Apple out for refusing "to adopt modern texting standards when people with iPhones and Android phones text each other." The page has buttons that take users to Twitter to tweet at Apple to "stop breaking my texting experience. #GetTheMessage" with a link to Android's page urging Apple to "fix texting."
"We would much prefer that everybody adopts RCS which has the capability to support proper reactions," Jan Jedrzejowicz, Google Messages product manager, said in a briefing before the Messages updates were announced. "But in the event that's not possible or hasn't happened yet, this feels like the next best thing." Recently, Apple CEO Tim Cook said he doesn't get a lot of feedback from iPhone users that Apple needs to fix messaging between iPhones and Androids. Apple doesn't have much incentive to do so, either. In legal documents from a 2021 lawsuit between Epic Games and Apple, an Apple executive said "Moving iMessage to Android will hurt us more than help us."
One feature that's part of Google's payback to Apple is that now, when Messages users react to an SMS text with an emoji, iPhone users will get a text saying the other person reacted to their text with a description of whatever emoji the person used. It's similar to when iMessage users react to an SMS text, with the recipient getting a "so and so loved" message instead of seeing the heart emoji reaction.... In August, Android launched a page on its website calling Apple out for refusing "to adopt modern texting standards when people with iPhones and Android phones text each other." The page has buttons that take users to Twitter to tweet at Apple to "stop breaking my texting experience. #GetTheMessage" with a link to Android's page urging Apple to "fix texting."
"We would much prefer that everybody adopts RCS which has the capability to support proper reactions," Jan Jedrzejowicz, Google Messages product manager, said in a briefing before the Messages updates were announced. "But in the event that's not possible or hasn't happened yet, this feels like the next best thing." Recently, Apple CEO Tim Cook said he doesn't get a lot of feedback from iPhone users that Apple needs to fix messaging between iPhones and Androids. Apple doesn't have much incentive to do so, either. In legal documents from a 2021 lawsuit between Epic Games and Apple, an Apple executive said "Moving iMessage to Android will hurt us more than help us."
"Fix Texting" or abandon encrypted messaging (Score:2, Insightful)
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They are both dickcunts. Why can't they just agree on a practical standard/convention instead of fight over territory? If you don't like gov't regulating you, then show you can work it out without.
Re: "Fix Texting" or abandon encrypted messaging (Score:4, Insightful)
A standard, like, oh I dunno, RCS?
Re: "Fix Texting" or abandon encrypted messaging (Score:2)
That would be a good one.
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It'll backfire (Score:3)
No one wants to be the kid at school who's messages are lame and annoying.
There's probably enough peer pressure already among youth to adopt iOS over Android due to the Green/Blue bubble difference.
This just makes it magnitudes worse because, until now, the different colour wasn't annoying just different. Yeah, I know it's Apple who do the color difference.
Would you want your messages to look cringe worthy when ready by iPhone users when your world revolves around your image and being cool?
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I don't know. Families don't choose Android based on the color of the bubbles. Most people who choose Android do so because of price, or because they are actually a fan of Samsung or other specific brand, or because they want anything BUT Apple products. To these Android die-hards, Apple users are either snobs, or ignorant fanbois.
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Re: It'll backfire (Score:2)
What about all the kids with $1200 Samsungs, though? In my experience, poor people use iPhones and people with means use expensive Androids.
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I've seen a few articles on the blue/green divide that's favouring Apple's iOS. I should have given one as a citation to my original post. Here's one here [wsj.com].
Headlines like "Never date a green texter" summarise just how much of an issue it has become among the tech purchasing youth.
Re: It'll backfire (Score:3)
Sure, but even if that's true, that just means using Android is cutting out toxic people. Win/win.
Re:It'll backfire (Score:5, Funny)
There's probably enough peer pressure already
I doubt it. Kids use whatever messaging apps their friends also use, and that's going to be what they all have access to. A surprising number of kids also use phones without service, relying on wifi to stay connected. That means things like snapchat and instagram are in, and things like iMessage aren't even a consideration.
Would you want your messages to look cringe worthy when ready by iPhone users when your world revolves around your image and being cool?
Kids don't care about that stuff anymore. This latest generation is actually accepting of people's differences, unlike just about every previous generation. They genuinely don't care if you're gay, straight, trans, or whatever and are more than happy to make accommodation. They don't merely tolerate difference, they just accept it as a fact of life. No judgement, honestly. They even have their own rules of etiquette to make sure new friends feel welcome and accepted. I'm sure you'd be horrified.
Gen X might have been individualistic and materialistic valuing brands and luxury items, but gen Z is realistic (as opposed to idealistic) and community focused and values uniqueness. They aren't going to care about a green bubble on someone else's phone and would probably wonder why the hell you think it's a big deal.
Re: It'll backfire (Score:3)
This latest generation is actually accepting of people's differences
You clearly don't know any teenagers. Cliques may be defined differently from when you were that age, but kids are still bullied for not fitting in.
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As it happens, I know quite a lot more than most. (As you might already know, I co-founded a nonprofit that, among other things, works with teens in various ways.) Bullying is still a thing, sure, but it's nothing like you imagine it to be. No one is getting bullied for not having an iPhone. Half the kids don't even want one or don't care what kind of phone they have as long as they have a phone. It's a means to an end, not the end itself. (They are not brand obsessed.) It's hardly a status symbol. (Tha
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I wish that this was true, but it isn't.
Apple has probably sold billions of dollars worth of iPhones at this point to people who aren't Apple fans but didn't want to be the lone "green bubble" in an iMessage group text with their friends. It's peer pressure at its absolute lamest, but it works.
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Have any evidence for that?
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I don't think SMS has been cool at school since the early 2000s, regardless of the colour of the bubble.
Re: It'll backfire (Score:2)
SMS isnt popular among school students? I'll get right on telling my 13 year old so she can text her entire class. Wouldn't want literally all of them being unpopular!
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Yes, 7. Ages 26, 22, 13, 11, 9, 6 & 6 weeks (tomorrow!).
Re: It'll backfire (Score:2)
I coulda BEEN somebody...if only my parents had gotten me an iPhone.
Give me a break.
Re: It'll backfire (Score:2)
If your kid relies on her iPhone for her personality, maybe you're a shit parent.
Finally! (Score:2)
The thing is, Apple didn't have to be assholes -- they didn't HAVE to repeat the entire text back to you with the "Liked" suffix. They know it's annoying, and they just don't care. I've mansplained to my iBuddies that it's obnoxious when they heart my texts, causing me to get a new message notification, and some of them do me the courtesy of not. But, others just don't seem to care. It will be nice to spew the same shit back at them... my friends... that just goddam
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Re: Finally! (Score:2)
Yes!!
Re: Finally! (Score:2)
That's such a great filter for the rest of us. Than you.
Everyday heroes, am I right?
It's worse than that.... (Score:5, Interesting)
The person at Apple support had said that they couldn't figure out why they were still sending messages to my iPhone.... the one that I never had.
I would prefer if SMS went back to being SMS.
Re:It's worse than that.... (Score:4)
This is a known issue. Once your phone number is in Apple's database, even if it's a mistake, they will try to send messages from iPhone users to an iMessage account instead of SMS. It will either fail, or go to the wrong person.
It happened to me some years ago. The carrier screwed up and swapped my phone number with someone else's when that other person replaced their SIM card. I started getting their text messages. Sorted it out fairly quickly, but SMS from iPhone users were being redirected. In the end I used a GDPR request to delete all my personal data, and that fixed it. Sent Apple an invoice, never paid it and I couldn't be bothered to pursue through Small Claims Court.
Re: It's worse than that.... (Score:2)
So, does that mean if I get and iPhone number for my phone, iLosers won't be able to message me?!?
Sign me up!
Google cares because rcs=mobile ads (Score:3, Interesting)
Google cares about rcs becuase it would allow google to send rich media ads to ios users. That's about it.
Re: Google cares because rcs=mobile ads (Score:2)
What? I'm on Android and I've never seen Google injecting ads into texts.
In fact, with end-to-end encryption enabled, how would they even be able to?
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Right. Most of the carriers in the world adopted a standard developed by several in the industry all so google could force ads on iphone users.
I mean if you want to play that game...it's not like Apple has been any better. I mean hijacking a users number and preventing them from getting texts because they no longer have an iphone? Sounds like punishment.
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LOL. Shitting on Google is fun and all, but Google has never once sent an advert using RCS, SMS or any Messaging system and doing so would probably be illegal in some places.
Googles Problem (Score:2)
To see emoji or not ? (Score:2)
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What's incredible is how adults get so worked up over emojis/animojis/memojis/etc.; superficial caricturized renditions of faces or objects that for all intents and purposes should be something only children would use. Like those stars the teacher stuck in your exercise book in kindergarden or grade one when you did good work.
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What's incredible is how adults get so worked up over emojis
They didn't pay attention even in kiddie-level history classes, where we learned that pictographs were an inefficient way to communicate. They also have shit language skills so they really can't express themselves more flexibly than one can achieve with emoji in any case.
Taking a page from Slashdotâ(TM)s playbook? (Score:2)
Yeah, take that! nerds
I would like (Score:2)
better yet... (Score:2)
Why not remove reactions from all forms of texting? It adds nothing except additional notification-checking for information of vanishing import
Meh (Score:2)
Who cares what those green texters do, anyway?
This might be a very US-specific problem, (Score:2)
Textra (!) and iOS 16 work fine for comment emojis (Score:3)
Remember Textra? The most widely used and highly regarded SMS app for Android in 2018? Well, they've never stopped developing, and due to inertia, I never stopped using it, dutifully installing it on new phone after new phone because it was reliable and had more options than stock.
First they added the conversion of the incoming "Julie Loves your message" turds into the actual emojis, and they displayed the right emoji on the right message. Then later, they allowed us to SEND the same reactions.
Up until iOS 16, all iOS users saw the same "reaction turds" we used to. But now iOS 16 converts the turds just like Textra did and does.
In other words, Textra and iOS 16 seem to have full "reaction emoji" compatibility. Google can't do the same?
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:2)
Google isn't going to win this one.
Actively choosing to create a worse experience will just cause their own users to be alienated.
Google also might have had a point if their own texting experience was considered good, but they're considered subpar by their own users too.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Insightful)
For Android users it will be the same or even better, since their reaction will be received.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:2)
I'd rather get the text descriptions.
"Emoji" suck anyway. Half the time I can't figure out what the thing is supposed to represent. A text description is a value add.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple could simply begin supporting that crap. Yes, Google is trying to embrace and extend messages, but they aren't going any further than that. For years, iMessage has detected if everyone in the chat is an iPhone and done the right thing in that case. Then, they've blocked anyone's attempt to do that for them- one of their rules is that only their deliberately gimped iMessage program can manage SMS.
I've used iPhone since the 3gs, and Google is in the right here. They are being dicks, but Apple could have at some point bent just SLIGHTLY on this topic and allowed phones to message with any evolving standard, instead of locking it in place the very moment that they had enough market share to do so.
Really, governments need to FORCE Apple to allow third parties to be place as the SMS handler. That would fix all that immediately, and Apple would push iMessage to Android and Windows Phone and maybe even fucking blackberry, quite promptly, if forced to allow competition.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Interesting)
Why should a company that doesn't even have a monopoly be forced by government edict to change their product to be compatible with their competitor who has 4x their market share?
Say, wut?!
Nobody has 4x the market share of anybody. Android has maybe 2.5x the market share of Apple, but only because there are a bunch of companies selling multi-year-old Android handsets in lower-income countries for barely above the hardware cost. When you take those out of the equation, they're actually pretty much neck and neck. In the U.S., iOS actually has higher market share than Android (about 55% for iOS versus about 45% for Android).
Why should governments get involved? Because all of the remaining players in the market add up to only about one third of one percent of the U.S. cell phone market. When either of those companies abuses its market position, consumers have very few other options.
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A quick search turned up stats showing that iOS devices were around 25% of the total, and iPhones were around 15% of all phones sold. The difference is probably due to the popularity of iPads.
I think Americans think the iPhone is may more popular than it really is, because in the US it's something like 50% of all phone. Americans don't want to Think Different (TM) I guess. But world wide, the picture is very different. It's the same with Tesla cars, way more popular in the US than in Europe and elsewhere.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:3)
When it comes to antitrust matters, the US government typically only cares about the US. But actually, having a monopoly isn't even required in order to break antitrust laws, nor is having a monopoly necessarily breaking antitrust laws.
Also, iphones are bigger in Japan than the US.
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Google has more than three times Apple's share of the worldwide phone market.
Nobody has a monopoly over phones, the only monopoly in phones really is that Apple has a monopoly over selling apps for iPhones. I still maintain that's anticompetitive, but at least only Apple users have to suffer for it.
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Technically, it creates a worse experience for anyone not using Google Messages.
Wrong. There are a number of RCS clients out there not made by Google -- because, unlike iMessage, it's an open standard that does not rely on vendor lock-in.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, fuck Google for trying to lock us into an industry standard. Much better to have the freedom to do it how Apple tells us to.
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Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Insightful)
This reads like Google breaking the SMS spec tbh. If reactions arent part of the SMS spec, Android shouldnt be sending them at all.
You're right. If reactions aren't part of the SMS spec, Android shouldn't send them at all. They should just send a plain ASCII text response, like a description of the reaction emoji instead. You know, because:
Wait, I think confused. You're claiming this would be Google breaking the SMS spec for doing something Apple is already doing, yet somehow Apple is not abusing their position if they do it.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Informative)
What's stopping Apple from handling the reactions properly? Absolutely nothing, but if they're going to handle RCS responses in iMessage then they might as well just implement RCS, which is what Google are trying to make them do.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Insightful)
Christ almighty, you idiots didn't even bother to read the fucking summary before responding, did you? It refers to RCS-specific features, not SMS.
Nah, I'm aware this is RCS-specific. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of Richard_at_work. He's getting all uppity about how Google is doing something that "breaks SMS spec" when Apple is doing literally the same thing already with their iMessage platform.
I sent a quick photo over MMS to my sister a couple months ago. I'm on Android, she's on an iPhone. I got a reply back of "Laughed at an image". It seemed like an odd reply, but I assumed she was driving and maybe Siri's voice recognition had done it as interpreting hands free texting. No... I realize now that's what it was. The "laughter" reaction on iOS was changed into the text for me since I wasn't on iMessage. Is that not the exact same "breaking of specs" Richard_at_work is howling about?
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I actually think this will never work between Android and iOS as long as Cook is at the helm. Whether he was right or wrong, Steve Jobs has a personal vendetta against Android, and I would bet based on how far its gone, that he asked Cook to promise him never to give Android iMessage and/or some other interoperabilities because he truly felt
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Google isnt breaking SMS. It is refusing to support iMessage and believes RCS is a more secure and interoperable protocol (hint: it is, and they are at least willing to allow others to use it, unlike Apple which has shown no desire to cooperate for the benefit of the public).
ftfy.
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Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Insightful)
https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/rcs/
Google SUPPORTS it, but they don't control it.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Interesting)
Google is actively breaking that in an effort to force Apple to do something. That should force legal action against Google IMHO.
Google is changing their software to do what Apple is doing. If Apple wants to bring a suit against Google for that, then they're going to have to explain why they did the same kind of thing first. If someone else brings a suit against Google for doing it, Google can graciously agree to stop, and then they can go after Apple for doing it since clearly it was not okay for Google to do it.
Google can easily afford to eat the court costs, and they will be happy to do it. Congratulations, you have just demanded exactly what Google wants. They are playing 4d chess, and you are doing checkers analysis.
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Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Insightful)
Google is breaking existing SMS functionality in Android to fuck over IOS users in an effort to force Apple to acquiesce.
Nobody has to use Google's SMS client if they don't want to. Heck, you don't even have to stop using Google's Messages app to abstain from this -- it's part of the "Enhanced Chat" settings that give you Wi-fi texting, encryption, confirmed delivery/read receipts, and typing notifications. You can just turn all that off (it's actually a feature you have to opt into to start with), and you'll be back to plain Google Messages using plain SMS.
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No matter how many times you post something that is incorrect and only shows that you don't grasp the simple topic being discussed, it will not make what you are repeatedly posting any more true.
Just so you know, there is a distinct difference between sending an SMS message with a single emoji character in it, and using the so-called "reaction" function of iMessage and RCS. Now stop posting completely off-topic statements that you are confusing with what the rest of us are talking about.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4, Funny)
This reads like Google breaking the SMS spec tbh.
Google is breaking "the SMS spec" by sending valid SMS? Are you new? Or does Apple just have a rent-free sales and marketing office in your head?
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What stops Apple from translating those reactions to emojis on their side?
Complete stubbornness.
This reads like Google breaking the SMS spec tbh.
That's because you're confused. This isn't SMS. This is RCS a completely different standard owned by the GSM Association. SMS is the fallback for when the target device does not support RCS.
I receive emojis just fine from my wifes Android phone, including single emoji responses
Responses and reactions are not the same thing. A response is a unique message. A reaction is metadata indicating something has happened to a previous message.
Which means Google should be shat on from a great height under anti-trust law.
No it means you need to do more reading.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:4)
Re:Google thinks they are slick (Score:4)
Google is slick. They don't have to sell devices or make a profit. They could sell every phone for $20 below cost and still make it up on the amount of marketing and advertisement they make off users. Apple and Google are playing in this market by completely different rules, a war chest is almost meaningless when the mechanisms they can manipulate are so very different.
Re: Google thinks they are slick (Score:2)
So what's apple going to do? Bomb Google? Steve Jobs already threatened to do that, if you don't recall. It didn't work. Apple is the one that doesn't want to support open standards, not the other way around. If by supporting the open standards better, it makes the experience worse for iphone users for no reason other than Apple wants to use their proprietary crap, that isn't Google's fault.
Re:Google thinks they are slick (Score:5, Funny)
Google doesn't tuck tail and run. They forget what they were doing and wander off.
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Apple has a lot of cash on hand, so they can continue to fuck up for the foreseeable future without failing, they are an also-ran. The US is a big, important market, but it is less than half the size of India's current smartphone market, and less than a third the size of China's. Only Japan has more iPhones than Android ones, and only the US has parity. Some other countries are close, but none are there. And no more are likely to get there, either, since other countries actually enforce antitrust laws occas
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They're too late.
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I am having a hard time to get others to use Signal. :(
Re: Signal, Telegram and WhatsApp take priority ov (Score:2)
I don't know of anyone who uses any of those services. If I had to guess, I'd say you're not American. No one has any use for those apps here.
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Lots of people use SMS. In marginal service areas where data is unreliable, it's the only thing that actually works.
Re:Signal, Telegram and WhatsApp take priority ove (Score:4, Interesting)
My understanding of RCS - or at least the way Google implemented them for its Messages app - is that they run over data and not the channels SMS uses anyway. Which means that if your data connection is unavailable, RCS will be unavailable as well, and you'd have to fall back onto traditional SMS.
Or maybe that's only the case of Google's RCS implementation, it's very unclear to me exactly how RCS is supposed to work compared to how it does work.
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And now you'll have the delightful experience of having a bunch of text descriptions of some idiot's emojis swamping your "marginal service."
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These days if data is not available, SMS probably isn't either. 2G is being phased out in many countries, with 3G being the new baseline. On 3G the same mechanism is used to send SMS as it is to send data, it's not a side channel anymore.
RCS is implemented by the carrier, similar to SMS. They have a server that your device talks to in order to send and receive messages. The content of the messages can include things like images and arbitrary length text, in Unicode (SMS only reliably supports 7 bit characte
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On 3G the same mechanism is used to send SMS as it is to send data, it's not a side channel anymore.
Which "3G" do you think behaves that way? Neither UMTS nor CDMA2000/EVDO integrate SMS into their IP core. See, for example, https://www.rfwireless-world.c... [rfwireless-world.com] -- under UMTS, SMS uses a NAS protocol (usually the CS version), but IP traffic uses a native data radio bearer. For CDMA2000, see https://sites.pitt.edu/~dtippe... [pitt.edu] -- SMS is over in the IS-95 network, not the IP network. LTE is when everything moved to IP packet switching.
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I use iMessage all the time between close friends and family.
Re: Signal, Telegram and WhatsApp take priority ov (Score:2)
It's the only messaging service I use.
That's certainly my default, other than specific (Score:2)
I'm part of several Discord servers for specific communities, like the developers of a specific open source project. Within that community, we send community-specific messages on Discord.
There is a specific community I talk to on Twitter, people I know from Twitter. I mostly message those people on Twitter.
For general usage, for texting anyone, SMS is the default that everyone has. I'm not installing a separate app and signing up for an account for each specific contact.
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Everyone I know, even my parents, use some other messaging service for messaging on phones.
Those Apps do not sent SMSs. So obviously if thy want to sent an SMS they use the Android SMS app.
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From what I’ve read, SMS (or iMessage or RCS) is king in the USA. Everywhere else in the world, everyone has more or less abandoned it and moved to WhatsApp, Telegram or Signal. I’ve never even met anyone who regularly uses iMessage.
So this whole fight is basically only about market share the USA, in of the only countries where more than 50% of smartphones are iPhones. I don’t know how true it is, but I usually see that explained by the fact an iPhone is seen as a status symbol, and "green
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Coverage is shit in the USA, I have a better chance of getting my message out with SMS than I do with something else because with SMS there's less layers of shit in the way. SMS doesn't have to wait for the OS to realize that there's a valid IP connection.
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In America, almost everyone does. I've literally never been asked to use whatsapp, telegram, signal, or anything else. I know this isn't the case in Europe, but SMS is the dominant app in the US. iMessage is popular because it was the SMS (and only messaging app preinstlled) on iOS.
Re:The Apple hate again? (Score:5, Informative)
It's everything to do with Apple versus Android.
1)- Apple won't create iMessage for anything but Apple, and internal communications revealed via court order shows this is for exactly why you think it is.
2)- Apple won't allow anything else to be put in place as SMS handler instead of iMessage. So if you create the best thing- that works with SMS if it can, and boosts that with all manner of bells and whistles if it can't- Apple will never let that on their phones PERIOD.
This combination shows that this is just about creating incompatibility on purpose, to benefit their bottom line.
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I mean...no shit? The only reason a company has to ignore industry standards is to increase their bottom line. I don't think people need a court order to realize that. Look at how Apple has basically rejected every acceptable industry standard in favor of something they made. If Apple could block all communication with Android users...both text and phone; you can bet they would. In fact, I'm pretty sure the next move will be Apple disconnecting all the iphones from SMS in favor of iMessage and telling peopl
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Plain wrong.
Actually, you're the one who's wrong here. You are very often wrong. Don't you get tired of the constant humiliation?
The claim was that iMessage sends SMS when sending messages to users with Android devices. This is true, as you point out, iMessage reverts to SMS when the other person doesn't have Apple shit.
Guess what Android users don't have?
So, yeah, if you send a message with iMessage to an Android user, iMessage is going to send an SMS. How fucking stupid are you, anyway?
I haven't seen you around
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So, yeah, if you send a message with iMessage to an Android user, iMessage is going to send an SMS. How fucking stupid are you, anyway?
Or, better yet, if someone on an iPhone selects your contact to send a message to, and you have an Apple ID with iMessage enabled on the email address, it will still send you an iMessage that you absolutely cannot receive on your phone. And because you don't use iMessage on your Mac due to not having an iPhone, you will never open the iMessage app on your Mac, and if you accidentally do some day, you'll receive all those messages from months ago that you had no idea about.
What a great fucking system.
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No Verizon and Nativemag hold most of the patents on top of RCS. Take your FUD somewhere else.
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Oh really? Go show me where end to end encryption is in the RCS standard.
Google added it via their own extension- https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/08/09/google-rcs-dead-horse. Or do you have some, you know, evidence to the contrary?
And "most of the patents" is a funny way of admitting they don't own all of them. For example you can also view some of their own RCS patents yourself- https://patents.google.com/patent/US9549073B2/en and https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180019957A1/en
And most carriers
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RCS authentication - Mavenir Networks Inc - https://patents.google.com/pat... [google.com]
Integrated rich communications services (RCS) messaging - Verizon Patent and Licensing Inc - https://patents.google.com/pat... [google.com]
Interoperability for RCS messaging - Nativemsg - https://patents.google.com/pat... [google.com]
And I can keep going if you want. Everyone has patents on RCS and many of these are pretty important if you want to implement a working system.
If you want to move the goalposts and discuss Google owning infrastructure instead o
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Wait, I'm confused. On Android, Samsung phones can use end-to-end encryption with Motorola phones et al.
So, there's a standard. And you can do end-to-end encryption with it.
What exactly is the problem?
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Most of us block ads, which is why Slashdot isn't making any money and it will soon die.
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Most of us block ads on the internet at large, which is why anyone with this financial model isn't making any money and it will soon die.
FTFY. Now we'll sit back and wait to see the massive death of the internet due to ad blockers. It'll be cool...you know like that time spam died when they invented email filters...
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I mean ultimately your carrier is the service provider. I'm sure at some point they will step in and tell Apple "you need to support our standards as we dictate or we will not allow your equipment on our network". And when Apple refuses...you'll find carriers starting to drop features/services to Apple products. I mean..all it will take is one major emergency where one department suddenly can't communicate with another due to crap like this. You know what happens then? The government steps in and dictates t