Why Tens of Thousands of Perfectly Good, Donated iPhones Are Shredded Every Year (vice.com) 132
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Tens of thousands of perfectly usable iPhones are scrapped each year by electronics recyclers because of the iPhone's "activation lock," according to a new analysis paper published Thursday. Earlier this year, we published a lengthy feature about the iPhone's activation lock (also called iCloud lock informally), an anti-theft feature that prevents new accounts from logging into iOS without the original user's iCloud password. This means that stolen phones can't be used by the person who stole it without the original owner's iCloud password (this lock can also be remotely enabled using Find My iPhone.) The feature makes the iPhone a less valuable theft target, but it has had unintended consequences, as well. iCloud lock has led to the proliferation of an underground community of hackers who use phishing and other techniques to steal iCloud passwords from the original owner and unlock phones. It's also impacted the iPhone repair, refurbishing, and recycling industry, because phones that are legitimately obtained often still have iCloud enabled, making that phone useless except for parts.
Between 2015 and 2018, the Wireless Alliance, the recycling company in question, collected roughly 6 million cell phones in donation boxes it set up around the country. Of those, 333,519 of them were iPhones deemed by the company to be "reusable." And of those, 33,000 of them were iCloud locked and had to be stripped for parts and scrap metal. Last year, a quarter of all reusable iPhones it collected were activation locked. Allison Conwell, a coauthor of the CoPIRG report, told me in a phone call that the Wireless Alliance's findings show that many people donate their devices intending for them to be reused, but they're scrapped instead. In her paper, Conwell suggests that Apple should work with certified recyclers to unlock phones that have been legitimately donated (a survey of random devices conducted by the Wireless Alliance found that more than 90 percent of them had not been reported lost or stolen.) The paper suggests that Apple could either unlock phones that have not been reported lost or stolen for 30 days, or affirmatively ask users whether they had donated their previous phone and unlock it that way.
Between 2015 and 2018, the Wireless Alliance, the recycling company in question, collected roughly 6 million cell phones in donation boxes it set up around the country. Of those, 333,519 of them were iPhones deemed by the company to be "reusable." And of those, 33,000 of them were iCloud locked and had to be stripped for parts and scrap metal. Last year, a quarter of all reusable iPhones it collected were activation locked. Allison Conwell, a coauthor of the CoPIRG report, told me in a phone call that the Wireless Alliance's findings show that many people donate their devices intending for them to be reused, but they're scrapped instead. In her paper, Conwell suggests that Apple should work with certified recyclers to unlock phones that have been legitimately donated (a survey of random devices conducted by the Wireless Alliance found that more than 90 percent of them had not been reported lost or stolen.) The paper suggests that Apple could either unlock phones that have not been reported lost or stolen for 30 days, or affirmatively ask users whether they had donated their previous phone and unlock it that way.
The author is delusional (Score:1, Insightful)
Apple has zero interest in recycling or repairing recovering data from any of their products, they only want to sell you a new device.
Re: The author is delusional (Score:1)
If and it's a really big if Apple has no interest then why refurbish any phones at all instead of shredding them?
Re: The author is delusional (Score:2)
Because it's free money for Apple. The phone is bought the first time, so manufacturing cost is covered, plus a bug premium. Then the phone is turned in for an upgrade, refurbished at minimal cost, and resold for not much less than a new device. Free money.
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What kind of babbling bullshit are you talking about that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand??
Re: The author is delusional (Score:2)
These phones are being donated for distribution to battered women for emergency use. I think he's being overly dramatic and overstating his case, but his overall point is valid.
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Worse still, they actively block repair shops from ordering and stocking parts. They are an abbomonation to the environment.
I call bullshit. I bought a replacement battery for my wife's iPhone 6 from iFixit. It was reasonably priced and it arrived in a couple of days. But don't just take my anecdotal evidence as proof of anything. How about a citation for this alleged blocking orders?
have you ever heard of Louis Rossman of Rossman group? https://www.youtube.com/user/r... [youtube.com] Or ever heard of Jessa Jones from Ipad Rehab? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] ooh look a video about apple having goods seized by customs??? you sir and probably just a silly troll or a pathetic apple fan boy
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Because they failed to do proper trademark redaction. Louis Rossman, while a great technician, is really a charlatan in the end because he gets business by making over the top claims. iFixit used to do this plenty
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This. This consequence is far from "unintended".
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Most companies have a Love Hate relationship with Refurbished equipment. They hate it because people are buying their products that they have already sold so they are not getting money from it. However they also love it because people are not buying the competing product.
Apple is in a stronger position if those who cannot afford new Apple products but get refurbished means still more people using the Apple Ecosystem so they still may buy a cheap app or songs that is money in their pocket.
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Apple sells about 200 million iPhones each year. Apple is definitely not attempting to stop tens of thousands of iPhones from being reused to encourage more sales. If anything, iPhones tend to be used longer than other smartphones - https://www.sciencedaily.com/r... [sciencedaily.com]
So this idea that Apple just wants you to get a new one is not supported by the facts.
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Samsung phones have a similar feature (Score:4, Informative)
Do a factory reset and you have to log into the original owners samsung account
Re: Samsung phones have a similar feature (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, but unlike Samsung phones iPhones are secure.
I'd say that Samsung phones are roughly as secure as iPhones, though neither is quite as secure as the Google Pixel. Of course, security is a multi-dimensional discrete space, not a one-dimensional continuum, so any comparisons of this sort are of questionable validity without a precisely-defined threat model. However, if we use the results of public competitions as our metric, Samsung and Apple phones get cracked with roughly equal frequency, while Pixel phones fare much better (Pixel has stood unbeaten three years running in Mobile Pwn2Own, for example, while both Apple and Samsung were cracked every year).
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And then again my Nokia 9800 is absolutely secure because nobody would want it but me. ;)
And there's no data on it that anyone would want?
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Samsung account lets you back up and restore your phone's settings and data. It worked well the one time I had to do it.
Re:Samsung phones have a similar feature (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Go to settings
2. Go to General
3. Select Reset
4. Select Erase all content and settings
5. Confirm Erase iPhone, then confirm again
6. Enter your Apple id password and select erase
Now the iPhone can be used by the next buyer. Phone thieves fail at step 6. Obviously anyone who wants to accept donated iPhones should make these steps very, very clear to the donator.
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There are a lot of settings and procedures on the iPhone that most users do not know about.
I'm sometimes surprised that iPhone owners know how to use their iPhone at all.
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Re:Samsung phones have a similar feature (Score:5, Informative)
Do a factory reset and you have to log into the original owners samsung account
Not just Samsung... all Android phones. Though usually it's your Google account, not your Samsung account, that you need to authenticate to prove ownership after a factory reset. (In fact, even Samsung says it's your Google account [samsung.com]; so I think maybe you're confused about that.)
This feature, called Factory Reset Protection [androidcentral.com] (FRP) by the Android team, was implemented in both iOS and Android 4-5 years ago,, to comply with a California state law that mandated it. For Android, it was launched in May 2016, in Android 5.1. Although it is only legally required for devices sold in California (AFAIK), it's generally a very good idea. Device theft was rapidly ballooning into a huge problem, but thanks to FRP has ceased to be a significant issue. If you set a password on your phone, thieves get no value from it.
However, there's no reason that FRP-locked devices have to be destroyed. At least in the Android world, device makers install keys on the devices which can be used to bypass FRP. These keys are only accessible to authorized refurbishing centers, of course, because if they leak to phone thieves then the purpose of the feature is defeated.
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You mean when...
No, Apple "cannot" unlock the phone (Score:1)
They have to deny it. Otherwise the government can order them to do it any time they want.
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They won't unless you have an original receipt of purchase, and the device hasn't been put into lost mode.
That doesn't mean they will grant access to the account that is signed in, it just means the device will be erased and an entirely new account can be signed in.
If you think that's bad (Score:2)
Maths (Score:3)
333,519 of them were iPhones deemed by the company to be "reusable." And of those, 33,000 of them were iCloud locked... the Wireless Alliance found that more than 90 percent of them had not been reported lost or stolen
Working as intended?
That's just 3 cubic meters of waste (Score:5, Interesting)
The number of iPhones discarded due to this problem, 33,000, works out to 3.1 cubic meters of waste (assuming they are all modern size).
There may be a fair bit of value there, with exotic elements and whatnot, but it's hardly an environmental disaster. It's way less waste volume than you would get from, say, demolishing a Blockbuster Video store and replacing it with a Mattress Firm.
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And of those, 33,000 of them were iCloud locked and had to be stripped for parts and scrap metal.
Less, even, if they can reclaim the parts and reuse them for repairs.
And 33,000 gigajoules of energy (Score:1)
Are you considering the resources it takes to replace that working appliance? Some estimates place one smartphone to consume an average of 1 gigajoule of energy and 13 tons of water to manufacture.
https://www.theatlantic.com/te... [theatlantic.com]
https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
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Are you considering the resources it takes to replace that working appliance? Some estimates place one smartphone to consume an average of 1 gigajoule of energy and 13 tons of water to manufacture.
I was not considering that. For reference, 33 terajoules is equivalent to 6 or 7 international airline flights and 430000 tons of water is one day of water usage by the US Steel plants in Detroit.
Re:Factory reset before donation? (Score:5, Interesting)
No matter which way you erase the device, as soon as the device connects to the internet (this cannot be skipped, either through cellular, wifi, or wired to a computer), the first thing that happens is the device connects to the Apple servers and sends the serial number and checks if it's locked or not.
There are videos showing iCloud lock removals by reprogramming the chips that have the serial to a different number, but that involves completely disassembling the device and desoldering a specific chip from the logic board, then reprogramming it with a very specific piece of hardware. I'm not sure if that still works, the last video I saw of it was an iPhone 6S from years ago.
Re:Factory reset before donation? (Score:5, Informative)
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Eating into Apple Profits (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple WANTS people to scrap their old iPhones, because they want to sell New phones to everyone.
It's been the driving force behind their No Repair policy, and why they are so Adamant on blocking any Right to Repair legislation that gets attempted.
As their new phone sales have been flagging, they are getting desperate to have old phones cycled out so that their new phones get sold.
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Most of the recycling problem would be solved by people disabling their iCloud service before donating. That, or "Factory Rest" them beforehand, as suggested in many other posts.
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How about a campaign geared toward recycling phones?
"How To Reset" info on a collection website, perhaps?
That could make a difference as well.
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Apple WANTS people to scrap their old iPhones, because they want to sell New phones to everyone.
My wife's experience: The camera on her 2 1/2 year old iPhone stopped working. She made an appointment with the Apple Store, someone took her phone, cleaned up everything, somehow fixed the camera problem, it looks and feels like brand new, and it was free of any charge. Without having to pay for any extended warranty.
Guess what: The will sell a new iPhone to her in a few years time.
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"they want to sell New phones to everyone"
This is not a revelation, since any seller would like to sell new phones to everyone. There is no evidence that Apple is trying to force this more so than anyone else, and they obviously recognize that they cannot magically convert every sale of a used iPhone into a sale of a new iPhone since they themselves sell used iPhones. A healthy market in used goods support higher first sale prices.
"Most of the recycling problem would be solved by people disabling their iClo
I'd hesitate to say this burden is on Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:I'd hesitate to say this burden is on Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would a user who only buys brand spanken new phones know that there was something special they were supposed to after factory resetting their old one?
You don't have to do anything after factory resetting the old phone. But you have to factory reset it.
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Look I work for Apple. Stop spreading your lack of knowledge.
I'm going to guess in the mail room because you aren't demonstrating any reading comprehension.
Factory resetting an Iphone does not remove activation lock.
No shit, which is why I said that a user wouldn't know that.
Apple Watch (Score:2)
The iCloud activation lock applies to the Apple Watch as well. In my town our state has a warehouse store where they sell government surplus to the public. They also sell items confiscated and lost at airports. Apple Watches turn up on occasion, and I purchased two. The first one was activation locked. There is nothing I can do to make use of this watch. The watch was lost, held by the airport and then the government for many months and never claimed. I bought it legitimately and legally from the gover
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Apple Watches turn up on occasion, and I purchased two. The first one was activation locked.
Shouldn't you have checked that before you bought it?
Blame the other guy (Score:2)
What a bunch of fucking haters (Score:2)
People here are ignoring the fact that pretty much everything except the battery, the logic board, and the Touch ID parts of an iPhone get reused.
Jesus Christ, you'd think from reading this that Apple literally shreds locked iPhones. In fact, iPhones probably are recycled more than any other phone because of the fact that its parts are ultra-valuable.
Should consider the pawn shop model, IMO .... (Score:2)
Where I work, we used to deploy new iPads to all new full-time employees, when they started a division that developed software apps for the platform. We wound up with a number of useless paperweights when employees turned them in upon leaving but neglected to follow our instructions to unlock them for us first.
Since then, sure -- we implemented tools to manage them ourselves with MDM, so that problem is behind us. (Heck, we stopped issuing them out anyway - because we restructured things and no longer do th
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You're sure quick to call me ignorant without knowing anything about my personal experience dealing with the subject?
For the record though? Yes, on multiple occasions, I went through the process of contacting Apple to get a device unlocked. In those cases, I was eventually able to get it done in 2 of 3 situations encountered -- but it was not easy or quick, by any means.
When it was successful, it involved me contacting my account manager at the company who originally sold our company the iPad, and having th
That's not a problem (Score:2)
"because phones that are legitimately obtained often still have iCloud enabled, making that phone useless except for parts. "
That's exactly why we like it. If you steal our phone, you'll have an old battery and a replacement screen and if it's mine, the screen will be cracked on top.
Re:Apple doesn't care (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple refuses to unlock them even though they belong to the company. I'm surprised they are allowed to get away with this in a corporate environment
Er, if they are company owned, why are they not linked to the company Apple ID?
What you describe isn't company owned phones, but the company handing out money for employees to purchase employee owned phones.
For our company all iOS and Android devices the company purchases are delivered directly to IT (me) and the first things I do to iPhones/iPads are link it to our company apple ID followed by enrolling it to the corporate MDM. Only after that are they issued to employees.
Apple even has an "enterprise" setup where phones come pre-linked to an MDM/AppleID from the factory. Then they can ship them straight to the end user, and the new device shows up in the MDM inventory for provisioning before it is delivered.
Unfortunately the "enterprise" setup has a per-device / per-month fee to use it.
But the normal way of provisioning doesn't have any such fee, the only real costs are related to the devices coming through IT first.
Re:Apple doesn't care (Score:5, Insightful)
We have hundreds of iPhones returned by former employees that are unusable because of this. Apple refuses to unlock them even though they belong to the company.
Sounds like the company needs to learn how to properly deploy corporate-managed iPhones.
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We have hundreds of iPhones returned by former employees that are unusable because of this. Apple refuses to unlock them even though they belong to the company.
Sounds like the company needs to learn how to properly deploy corporate-managed iPhones.
Yes. Both Android and iOS provide key escrow services for corp-managed devices, so the corporation can unlock them without the employee's help. Android goes a step further and offers the ability for user-owned devices to set up a "work profile" which contains all corporate apps and data, and gives enterprises the ability to manage or delete the work profile apps, but no access to the personal profile or data.
If some company is suffering because it fails to use the enterprise features available, that's i
Re: Apple doesn't care (Score:2)
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There is similar partitioning on ios. The firm I work for can remote erase my phone, etc
Remote erase your whole phone, or just the work part? I hadn't heard that iOS had acquired anything comparable to the Android work profile, and some quick googling just turned up comments about how it was needed. Am I missing something or are you mistaken?
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From experience managed devices are also a PITA for recyclers/second hand dealers because:
1. The device makes no attempt to make it obvious the device is managed going as far as to put indicators in a different place than the existing activation locks people know to check for.
2. No online documentation suggests checking if a device is managed before.
buying/selling/trading/donating so people who work in secondhand goods get bitten by it at least once.
But for the control it gives you it's freaking awesome for
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I wonder if Apple has a way to unlock them. When they swap phones out for warranty reasons, for example, they refurb the old one and give it to someone else. The one you get as a warranty replacement is often a refurb.
So are they just throwing the locked ones away, or replacing the motherboard, or do they have some way to unlock them?
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Corporate iPhones are registered with the company and no matter the personal account signed onto the phone, corporate IT can remove the lock any time they want.
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I wonder if Apple has a way to unlock them. When they swap phones out for warranty reasons, for example, they refurb the old one and give it to someone else. The one you get as a warranty replacement is often a refurb.
They ask you to erase your phone before exchanging it. They will also strongly advise you to make a backup first, so your new phone can be restored quite quickly. If your phone is not in a state where you can erase it (like if it doesn't react to any keypress), that's bad luck for Apple.
Re: Apple doesn't care (Score:2)
Sounds like you need to fire the people doing bookkeeping. Yes, its slow and annoying, but Apple very much DOES unlock corporate devices.
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Apple specifically has a program for corporate, mass-purchased phones. Enroll them in the MDM program and corporate IT can remove the lock no matter which employee locks the phone.
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Employee left under a cloud as it were and had "forgotten" the password, so it's on my desk.
Seems Apple somehow put me into consumer not corporate, that's what they blamed it on.
I had supplied all the proof of ownership all that stuff and it didn't get resolved, I did get pretty narky on the phone at the end of it all.
Really was a PITA though.. real time waster.
Re: Apple doesn't care (Score:2)
Actually they will unlock them with proof of purchase information (a PO). Source: We've done it at work numerous times.
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If your company has deployed enough iPhones to have hundreds returned by former employees, I'm gobsmacked that you're not using an MDM tool of some sort. And if you are using MDM and it's not letting you unlock your company's phones, you're not doing it right.
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We have hundreds of iPhones returned by former employees that are unusable because of this. Apple refuses to unlock them even though they belong to the company. I'm surprised they are allowed to get away with this in a corporate environment but I guess the RDF is still strong enough because they keep buying them.
I'm surprised they are allowed to get away with this in your corporate environment, but whoever's making the purchasing decisions is obviously either corrupt or stupid (there's no third option.)
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We have hundreds of iPhones returned by former employees that are unusable because of this.
A friend of mine complained because she has about half a dozen unusable phones. There are some very simple steps that the employee has to do before returning his phone. I don't know what the legal situation is if the employee doesn't do that. But also, you can call Apple to sell you phones that are bound to your company. The company can reset them at any time, and they can't be reset to be used outside the company.
Re: Why Should Apple Help? (Score:1)
There should be a stiff up-front charge on every iPhone to pay for scrapping. Perhaps 30% .
So... (Score:2)