Jack White Bans Cellphones At Concerts For '100% Human Experience' (nme.com) 294
Singer and guitarist Jack White has banned the use of mobile phones at upcoming live shows. NME reports that the policy will be strictly enforced, requiring concert-goers to lock up their smartphones in pouches." From the report: White embarks on a tour of the U.S. from April, with a statement announcing that shows would be "phone-free," confirming: "No photos, video or audio recording devices allowed." "We think you'll enjoy looking up from your gadgets for a little while and experience music and our shared love of it IN PERSON," the statement adds. "Upon arrival at the venue, all phones and other photo or video-capturing gizmos will be secured in a Yondr pouch that will be unlocked at the end of the show. You keep your pouch-secured phone on you during the show and, if needed, can unlock your phone at any time in a designated Yondr Phone Zone located in the lobby or concourse." "For those looking to do some social media postings, let us help you with that. Our official tour photographer will be posting photos and videos after the show... Repost our photos & videos as much as you want and enjoy a phone-free, 100% human experience."
is this from the artist himself (Score:5, Interesting)
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I would be shocked if it wasn't Jack White making the decision. The record labels don't give a shit since from their perspective touring is just marketing for album sales / streaming.
Jack White (of the White Stripes fame) is powerful enough of an artist and has enough fans that he's not dependent on a label to get sales any more, in fact he can pretty much pick and choose his label now. He's an old school musician, so I'd also be shocked if it didn't come from him.
There has been some research that people who record things with their phone have a poorer memory of the event because they're not actually paying attention to it, they're paying attention to the phone they're recording it w
Re:is this from the artist himself (Score:5, Funny)
Jack Black? Are we talking about Tenacious-D or the White Stripes?
They need a battle of the bands type battle between Jack Black and Jack White. Maybe do it for charity or something. They can call it the Jack Off.
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People go to shows so they can post on social media about it and get some likes. It's a competition with other social media users, who all seem to be having more fun (because they don't post about the day-to-day drudgery).
These days an experience is only worth having if you can post it on Facebook later.
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These days an experience is only worth having if you can post it on Facebook later.
Later !? Even that's too kind. It needs to be posted on Facebook stat !
I can understand wanting to capture a moment (photo, video) to prompt one's memory in the future. Of course, living the entire experience through a lens ain't right.
I like the move taken by this artist, especially the hiring of a professional event photographer and making the media freely available.
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Sounds like an invitation to sing along, loudly and offkey the whole time to me
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Re:is this from the artist himself (Score:4, Interesting)
or is this from some record label person?
The record labels are only interested in making sure you don't bring an SLR with a nice lens into concerts. Apparently my $5000 Leica was allowed because it wasn't a good camera :-)
There's actually a few artists speaking out against the absurd fuckery that is people recording poorly lit unwatchable content with sound that ultimately is little more than a monotonous -0dB level with the occasional distorted blip into something that sounds like actual music. Here's Roger Water's (That's Pink Floyd for the millennials) take on the issue:
“For my part I would never turn on a cell phone at any musical event,” he wrote, “whether it’s at The Met, The Garden or anywhere else. It would seem to me to show a lack of respect to and care for fellow concert goers or for that matter for the artist. Apart from anything else, how could I possibly truly experience the thing I’d paid to see and hear, if I was fiddling with an iPhone, filming or twittering or chatting or whatever?”
Seriously I've never seen anyone look at one of these recordings. If they did their eyes and ears would bleed. Why do people make them?
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If they did their eyes and ears would bleed. Why do people make them?
Because their eyes and ears bled so long ago they can't tell the difference anymore. Still, I think vertical video is even more hideous, and they are likely to do that too.
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Thank god, I was afraid I'd need yet another reason to not go see ...uhhh...what's his name?
Who? (Score:3)
n/t
Re:Who? (Score:5, Funny)
He's not black like Barry White is, he's white like Frank Black is.
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He's not black like Barry White is, he's white like Frank Black is.
We dont need no water let the mother fucker burn... burn mother fucker, burn.
The 90's fucking rocked.
Re:Who? (Score:5, Insightful)
Rather than mod you as a troll I'd like to take this opportunity to say that anyone who completely avoids the subject of the article in favor of making fun of an artist who they'd like to belittle by insinuating that nobody ever heard of them or in particular you're too good to have ever heard of them is being childish.
(I think I've done it too regarding some pop-tart so I can't claim much moral superiority or anything).
I'm not a fan of Jack White. I've heard the name, but I have no idea what kind of music he even plays, but I do know that I can type "Jack White" into Google and find out in as long as it would take me to listen to some of his music.....which I will do now....after I get another beer.
I can now honestly say that I'm still not a Jack White fan, but at least his music isn't terrible. That's just a subjective opinion of course....the first song even reminded me of David Bowie just a little bit. And I even liked one of his other songs.
God forbid I might get so bored during a show that I would need to pull out my phone. Can I still bring a camera? Maybe I should just go home.
I've recorded shows before, both audio and video and it really does get in the way of enjoying a concert.
Even just recording one or two songs with your phone takes a lot away from your enjoyment of the moment.
Not only that but when you're in an audience and the stage is obscured by dozens of people holding up their cell phones above their heads that takes a lot away from the experience as well.
So I support this move by this White guy. I mean it's his show and if his fans don't like it they can stay home. His other fans might just appreciate the lack of phones in their faces.
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I do like this album
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Indeed, who ? (Score:4, Insightful)
{...} in favor of making fun of an artist who they'd like to belittle by insinuating that nobody ever heard of them or in particular you're too good to have ever heard of them is being childish.
Or you know, maybe some of us have genuinely no idea who this artist is.
There are literally tons of different types of music out there (I mean litterally. If you pile up ever different disc, CD, tape, wax cylinider, scroll, and other forms of music produced by all the artists, it's going to be a really heavy total mass).
By chance, I might happen not to be into this specific music, and I might have actually never heard anything about the artist. Not that I pretend that the artist is bad or that I'm above this kind of art. He might simply be not one of the thousand other that's I've heard.
So we do what every sensible /.er would do (like the parent poster) :
We will bitch and moan at the editors, because giving a few key information about an artist mentioned in a summary would be a good idea~
In the present case, I actually did not register the name for real, and needed to fall back onto wikipedia to discover that he's actually the guy who founded The White Stripes (known for such titles as "Fell in Love with a Girl", "Seven Nation Army", etc.).
I did my duty to get informed, but I think that when the subject of a summary strays outside the typical tech field, I would be good to give some key informations (again, not every one might be into the same kind of music and some could genuinely completely ignore who the guy is).
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I'm not a fan of Jack White. I've heard the name, but I have no idea what kind of music he even plays, but I do know that I can type "Jack White" into Google and find out in as long as it would take me to listen to some of his music.....which I will do now....after I get another beer.
I get and agree with your point... but
For the uninitiated, Jack White is of the White Stripes, a rock/grunge band from the 1990's. He plays an instrument and survives without auto tune. I went to a White Stripes concert in the 00's. Just about everyone would recognise the distinct sound of Seven Nation Army even if they've got no clue about Jack White or the White stripes.
Jack White has been in the industry long enough not to depend on labels to create fans, so he gets to do things like this with no p
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You know, for a Known Nutter you're making a surprising amount of sense :-)
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No I am simpler. My phone runs my diabetic equipment.
Just because you're suicidal doesn't mean you should use your phone at a concert.
Oh and quit lying. There's no life dependent system in the world that is approved for medical use if it requires to be tethered to a phone.
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1000k+ a month?
You know that's a million dollars, right?
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Shit. Yes, I actually do. I meant to write $1000/mo. Mea Culpa.
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So what you're saying is you know fuck-all about diabetes. Got it. I'm not OP, but maybe at least read the wiki.
Don't read the wiki, it's full of stuff that's not medically recognized like "type 3" and "type 1.5" among other garbage. There's only three types 1, 2 and gestational(pregnant women), everything else has it's own diagnosis standard and despite the people pushing for LADA(adult onset) to become a new one. It's still type 1 even if you develop it in adulthood, the treatments are the same, the precautions are the same. If they were paying $1k/mo they were likely paying for a brand new drug, where a combination of 2 medications would have only run them $60/mo. The farce with liraglutide is a good example. $1k/mo, but could be done with two drugs.
This happens a lot when sales reps push doctors to use "new" medications because they're obviously better, and safer, that's what they're saying and you best believe it! Ever wonder why the vast majority of reps are stunningly pretty women who were hired based on their looks not their background? I'll give ya a hint, it's because male or female both respond to the tactic.
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Thank you for your insight. You're obviously more knowledgable than I am on the subject, and you could very well be right about the cause for the price of the coworkers meds.
My initial point was that one should not assume all diabetics are overweight. I've dealt also with gestational diabetes among members of my family, so I have done some research, though am not as well versed as you are.
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I'm definitely not knowledgeable on it, similar to you just dealing with multiple family members over 30+ years, one of my sisters is type 1, and had a great aunt and aunt on my fathers side who developed type 2. Just like anything else, you pick some stuff up and the rest you have to stay abreast with because of various reasons.
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If they were paying $1k/mo they were likely paying for a brand new drug, where a combination of 2 medications would have only run them $60/mo.
Man, I don't know what insurance you're talking about, but we fork over about $500/month [cost of insulin, infusion sets/reservoirs, amortized costs of quarterly Endo visit, lancets (actually no co-pay on those!), and test strips (insurance won't cover those at all so we buy out of pocket)]. This is on top of a approx. $700/month insurance premium. I wouldn't know what to do if I were paying $60/month. One 10ml vial of humalog costs me $180. We're using an out of date Medtronics Paradigm pump as well to kee
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Man, I don't know what insurance you're talking about, but we fork over about $500/month
For around $300/mo in Canada, I can get all of what you're talking about with 80% payment by green shield or blue cross. Drop it to 60-70% and it nearly halves the cost with no upper limit. If you're paying that much and you're in the US, well it sure didn't get any better after Obamacare managed to drive the insurance rates right through the roof. I should know, several of my neighbors down in FL who weren't on medicaid and lost their insurance were in very tight spots and/or ended up selling their home
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And to the person that needs to bring all that equipment to a two hour concert: Have your dinner before going to the venue, measure your glucose level, pop your Insulin accordingly, and you're going to be fine for the next hours (unless you activel
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And to the person that needs to bring all that equipment to a two hour concert: Have your dinner before going to the venue, measure your glucose level, pop your Insulin accordingly, and you're going to be fine for the next hours (unless you actively try to kill yourself by slurping lots of softdrinks or beer while you're there, but maybe, just maybe, that same lack of self discipline is what brought you your metabolic syndrome in the first place).
Are you kidding? No, you're just an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about so let me clue you in. Type 1 diabetics - the ones who need to closely monitor their glucose levels and use insulin - didn't get that way because of their diet. They also wouldn't check their levels *right after* dinner. In fact, doing that then NOT checking for several hours is dangerous. There's cumulative damage from high blood sugar and the danger of passing out *or dying* from low blood sugar.
So climb back down o
This is a good precedent! (Score:5)
Hope this becomes the rule.
Re:This is a good precedent! (Score:4, Informative)
THere's zero chance that it will. Even though I don't use my phone during shows, the sheer inconvenience of this process ensures that I would never attend a show in which it was required. I'm certain I'm far from alone here.
This is a marginal at best artist sniffing his own farts.
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Good. I'll be at the concert and I'll enjoy not have annoying cell-phone addled paranoid people like you around.
Re:This is a good precedent! (Score:5, Insightful)
Excuse me if I read into your comment more than I should have, when I read it I got the impression that you dislike this policy and believe that it should not be allowed for them to confiscate / disable / make otherwise unusable your phone. If that's not what you meant, then ignore me.
Now for my response based on how I interpreted yours:
What you said is fine. You should understand the position you're in, and that there are certain times and places that don't make any sense for you. A concert, movie theater, Broadway show and any other such venue where it is completely and utterly inappropriate for someone to be a distraction to others are examples of things you simply should not attending with such demands placed on you. I would also hope that your children would be left in capable hands when you aren't around them, and that you stop worrying so darn much as it's not good for them or you! Maybe that's why you think they are so prone to "other crisis", because your definition of crisis needs to be reevaluated and adjusted. The thing is, the last part of your statement says it all... If you can't answer your phone on the first ring, it's someplace you cannot and do not wish to be. Simple, don't go there. Don't expect others to lessen their experience just so you can live your unnecessarily over-stressed lifestyle.
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I know how you feel about your kids, but what exactly are you going to do to help them when you are in the middle of the concert a
And shit like this (Score:5, Insightful)
Is why I don't bother with live venues anymore.
Between the assholes in the audience and the assholes on stage...
Not sure what happened to "just come in, be a decent person and enjoy the scene".
So fuck them all. NONE of them get a cent of my money.
Re:And shit like this (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, you pretty much said it, most people can't be decent people anymore. I'm not a fan of the artist mentioned here, but I do think an artist should be able to perform under conditions they'd like to perform. Siouxsie Sioux for example has -- in the past -- been a stickler for venue temperature when she performs because her vocal chords could be damaged otherwise. While that could suck if you didn't know you should dress warmer or colder to what you're used to, that's her livelihood.
I wouldn't expect people at an opera to be holding up their phones and carrying on with random conversations either. Don't like the rules, don't go.
So I guess I both agree and disagree with you. It's your money, you do what you want with it, but you could miss out on some great performances just because you don't want to give up your "right" to something.
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I have no problem not holding up my phone. I dont' use it. I have a problem having to go through a process to lock it in a bag and unlock it because of some primadonna fuckwad. As for Siouxe Sioux, I could give a fuck if it's her livelihood. If I'm attending the show I'm PAYING her fucking livlihood. THOUSANDS of singers can sing without exact requirements to temperature, myself included. If I'm paying the increasingly rediculous sums for a show and it's uncomfortable? I'm getting a fucking refund.
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I wouldn't expect people at an opera to be holding up their phones and carrying on with random conversations either. Don't like the rules, don't go.
So I guess I both agree and disagree with you. It's your money, you do what you want with it, but you could miss out on some great performances just because you don't want to give up your "right" to something.
You also won't see many people in jeans at operas or people in tuxedos at rock concerts, cause rock n' roll ain't opera.
I won't give up my right to not be talked down to, nor my right to see non-egomaniacs who actually appreciate the audiences who pay for their lavish lifestyles, hence I won't pay to see Jack White. His music is good, but it isn't worth dealing with him, so I can stand to miss it. Crowds may be the target of his whiny brand of angst now, but in the past he's started public shit with The
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cause rock n' roll ain't opera.
"You were born to rock, You'll never be an opera star, oh, oh oh oh oh ooohhhh" - Neil Young
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Okay, going to echo Gojira Shipi-Taro here.
I have no problem NOT holding up my camera to bootleg the performance.
I have no problem memorizing and retaining the experience with two pieces of OEM equipment.
The Mark I Eyeball.
The Mark I Binaural Ear Set.
If I have to make, or take a call, I'll get the hell out of the audience (or the venue if necessary) and take/make the call.
I don't need some self-riteous asshole to tell me how to act like a goddamn adult.
Hell, I don't even take that shit from my MOTHER (and D
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And like a great many things. I refuse to be treat a certain way based on the bad behavior of others.
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Well, you pretty much said it, most people can't be decent people anymore.
That's the thing right; and it's a big fucking problem.
No longer can you tell the asshole to stop being an asshole in fear that you may offend them and have a mob of people washing over you calling you intolerant.
How're you going to receive/pass the J if you're holding a fucking phone in your hand anyways?!
Everyone's special. Yeah right! Fuck off. Gahh I need coffee...
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Is why I don't bother with live venues anymore.
Between the assholes in the audience and the assholes on stage...
Not sure what happened to "just come in, be a decent person and enjoy the scene".
THANK YOU!!! If that's how you feel about live music in 2018, you're either going to the wrong shows or YOU'RE the one we don't want there. Most of the festival and one-off shows I see are a good time with no crowd problems. I generally avoid stadiums and large arenas because you are too far away to see anything and the prices are too high, but smaller theaters and clubs provide the same great experience the always have.
Humanity's biggest problem is not that it suddenly changed, it's people writing off the next generation or the current times as past prime and heading downhill. The same phenomenon can be seen in some of the oldest historical accounts and literature we know. It just means you're crotchety. Most people are still good, decent people.
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I'm probably going to the wrong shows.
And yeah, I'm probably crotchety.
But I've been this way all my life. I have a low tolerance for people being jackasses, and an even lower tolerance for random nobodies trying to tell me what to do just because they think they're entitled to.
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Everyone's a random nobody (also known as "A random asshole on the Internet with an Opinion").
Sure, he may have a larger sphere of people who know him (or of him) than I do.
So what? It doesn't, somehow, magically make him a better class of human being.
Nor does it confer on him any superior morality or authority.
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He does something you don't do. He gives big concerts. His concerts, his rules. Don't like them, don't go.
Then when you do something he doesn't do, you can set your rules too.
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*WHOOSH*
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Not sure what happened to "just come in, be a decent person and enjoy the scene".
Like the people at this concert [youtube.com]?
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And if some people do haul out the phones or act like obnoxious shits, you can personally be too stoned to get bothered by any of it.
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Part of being decent is not shoving your mobile in everyone's face constantly.
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Sorry, if you dislike the content of my post(s), you're entirely free to fuck the hell off.
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Thanks for something new to read up on, I've never heard of virtue signaling before. Perhaps I'm out of touch. If I had to guess it would have something to do with me expressing my opinions and you not agreeing with them and feeling a little hurt?
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Try wikipedia:
Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.[1] The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtueâ"especially piety among the religious.[2] In recent years, the term has become more commonly used as a pejorative characterization by commentators to criticize what they regard as empty, or superficial support of certain political views, and a
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>"Singer and guitarist Jack White has banned the use of mobile phones at upcoming live shows. NME reports that the policy will be strictly enforced, requiring concert-goers to lock up their smartphones in pouches." "
I have no interest in interacting with my cell phone during a concert (or movie or any other type of paid entertainment). But tell me I have to lock up my phone in a "pouch" and you can shove your concert where the sun doesn't shine. I am so tired of the lowest-common-denominator ruining everything for everyone. Either they ruin it directly by being rude, annoying, and/or irresponsible, or ruin it indirectly due to places creating draconian rules/procedures to try and combat it.
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But tell me I have to lock up my phone in a "pouch" and you can shove your concert where the sun doesn't shine.
So, you like going to a concert and looking over a sea of glowing cellphone screens when you look at the stage?
I find it unfortunate that this is necessary. But I do see the value.
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The sea of cellphones is no different that flashes from cameras at the Olympics, or sight of raised lighters at concerts in the past - it is part of the concert experience which evolves with time. Heck, I could even argue that a cell phone is safer than a live flame. Artists use new technologies, so do the audiences. Want a private concert with the artist without any electronics (no cell phones, no lights, no microphones, no speakers) - maybe there are some people who crave this kind of old-school experienc
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But tell me I have to lock up my phone in a "pouch" and you can shove your concert where the sun doesn't shine.
So, you like going to a concert and looking over a sea of glowing cellphone screens when you look at the stage?
I find it unfortunate that this is necessary. But I do see the value.
You know, my most recent concert experience (Evanescence, December 2017) there was plenty of cell phone use, but it wasn't even on the same order of magnitude for annoyance as the yelling and screaming. "You're beautiful." "I love you." "Will you marry me?" Seriously, shut up and let the lady sing, you drunk assholes. Cell phones? Meh. Not an issue. But we all have our pet peeves. Mine is evidently jerks ruining quiet/sensitive moments in live music.
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But tell me I have to lock up my phone in a "pouch" and you can shove your concert where the sun doesn't shine.
If people were decent then we wouldn't need rules about decency.
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I am so tired of the lowest-common-denominator ruining everything for everyone. Either they ruin it directly by being rude, annoying, and/or irresponsible, or ruin it indirectly due to places creating draconian rules/procedures to try and combat it.
Where have you been for the last thousands and thousands of years man? This has literally been going on since the beginning of civilization because there are a lot of people out there who are selfish, stupid, or both.
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Actually, no it wouldn't (as long as licensed)
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And... we have a winner.
Yondr? What's that? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hmm:
"Yondr uses a patented system to create phone-free spaces for artists, educators, organizations and individuals."
THEY GOT A PATENT? FOR PUTTING PHONES IN A BAG SEALED WITH CLOTHING SECURITY TAGS?
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THEY GOT A PATENT? FOR PUTTING PHONES IN A BAG SEALED WITH CLOTHING SECURITY TAGS?
If it's so blindingly simple why didn't you invent it? Most everything seems easy once someone has done it already.
Cell phones used as CGMS devices (Score:2)
If you use your phone to monitor your blood glucose, but the venue forces your phone to be locked into a Yondr bag, are there ADA repercussions? Seems that the answer would be "yes".
For example, an ADA-related consent order: https://www.ada.gov/sfxinc.htm6/ [ada.gov], and this line specifically: "Clear Channel Entertainment agrees not to discriminate against any guest with diabetes with regard to their bringing diabetes related medical equipment or diabetes related food into a concert venue.â
I sent a brief, poli
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Bullshit on your horseshit. Nobody is forcing you to go see a show if your life is dependent on your use of your cellphone. They aren't taking it away and refusing to give it back the second you walk through the door. You can still say "no thanks, my life depends upon this device and I'd rather keep it, I'll move on and would like a refund, thank you"
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Under your reasoning, nobody should be forced to build wheelchair ramps for apartment buildings for rent, because no one is forcing you to live there.
Grocery stores don't have to be handicap accessible, because no one is forcing you to shop there.
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" I consider a roof over your head and a place to buy food a little bit different than going to a show"
The law doesn't, which is why it is LEGALLY known as a PUBLIC VENUE, which means ADA is in effect.
Does it use magic? (Score:2)
Or will a magnet be enough to open the pouches without damage?
Let's watch (Score:5, Funny)
"Let's watch my recording of the concert I went to!"
-Nobody ever
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I would mod this up if I hadn't already commented, but I would point out that the link posted does go to a certain type of band....
The Grateful Dead is the first one listed and they even had taper sections cordoned off back in the day. Bring your tape decks and mike stands! We'll put you in your own little section.
I do love watching videos and listening to audio recordings of shows I've been to....especially if it wasn't me who went to the hassle of recording them.
I see Steve Kimock is also listed in that link.....this sort of reminds me of that time he went off on an audience and told some people to STFU.
"Seriously, man it's fucking rude. Get your money back and go home. I don't care. Shut the fuck up!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I've got the full recording of that show somewhere. The talkers in the audience who weren't even paying attention to the music were pretty bad.
Link to the whole show:
https://archive.org/details/sk... [archive.org]
IMO, he came across as being a bit petulant but I've also had to change seats in theaters just to avoid people talking over the music so I can sympathize some. And to his credit, Kimock put up with it for over 90 minutes before he lost it.
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Deal Killer For Me (Score:2)
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You won't be missed.
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Chances are it's some shitty pop concert then.
People go to concerts because they like the band.
Music festivals on the other hand... this can go both ways.
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Who? (Score:2)
If you've never heard of him does he really exist?
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No worries. I have a phone on my wrist, a phone on my pocket, and a backup phone in my wife's purse. Good luck with putting the throw away phone in a bag.
Re: Don't tell me what to do (Score:2, Funny)
Such a concert doesn't exist. Guess your next concert will be watching your grumpy face in the mirror with "All By Myself" cranked to 11.
Re:Don't tell me what to do (Score:5, Insightful)
You're exactly the kind of asshole that has made other assholes create rules and procedures like this.
If you hadn't been such an asshole then maybe the rest of us could have enjoyed our concerts without all this BS about shoving phones in puches?
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This post heartens me. I hope all the other people welded to their phones join you in this movement.
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My browser has a 'close tab' feature that quickly stops any self playing shit.
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recording the show instead of just enjoying it.
Um... who says you can't at least partially do both? Who says that your definition of enjoyment is the same as someone else's? How much of that is rooted in common ground, versus being subjective, though?
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It would be exactly the same as it was in the past including the 70's and 80's and most of the 90's.
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