1 In 2 Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Owners To Switch To iPhone 7, Says Analyst (softpedia.com) 212
Branding Brand recently conducted a post-recall study asking Samsung Galaxy Note 7 users which smartphones they would consider upgrading to. While 40 percent of them said they are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, 30 percent of respondents said they are likely going to be switching to the iPhone. However, according to one analyst, that number could be even higher. Softpedia reports: KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors that approximately 50 percent of those who ordered a Note 7 are now very likely to go for an iPhone 7, as customer trust is collapsing in the Samsung ecosystem and all these buyers are no longer planning to stick with phones manufactured by the South Korean firm. Between 5 to 7 million Note 7 orders are likely to transfer to Apple, the analyst says, and the iPhone 7 Plus is expected to be the main model benefitting from this transition. Other Android phone manufacturers, including Huawei, are also likely to benefit from Samsung's fiasco, and Google itself could also record an increase in Pixel sales following the Note 7 demise. But Apple will certainly take the lion's share here, mostly thanks to the iPhone 7 Plus currently being positioned as a direct rival to the Note 7.
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the pixel is the obvious replacement here. swapping ecosystems because of a bad phone??? doesn't make sense
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I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.
I also think a lot of people, myself included, assume analysts are full of hot air.
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I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.
That wouldn't surprise me. My mother doesn't really know or care to understand what Android is, but when she needs a new phone she's pretty insistent on getting another Motorola phone, so it's just a matter of finding one that they make that suits her needs. I recall seeing this a lot back in the early days of PC's where people would insist they needed another Compaq or $brand without really understanding that it didn't matter as the operating system was still the same and they could transfer their files and programs over. Even after explaining this to some people they're just overly hesitant to make a switch, even if they could be getting something more suited to their needs.
I also think a lot of people, myself included, assume analysts are full of hot air.
That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.
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That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.
I don't think it's much of a secret that when there are two main competitors in a market and one of them has a spectacular fail, the competition will primarily gain from it.
Re:pixel (Score:5, Insightful)
Except Apple is hardly competition for someone who wants an Android.
But what you don't see, is that, outside of Slashdot and some other "Geek" sites, not very many people even know what an "Android" is, other than Commander Data.
But they know Samsung and they know Apple/iPhone. And they know one of them just screwed up royally, and their name is Samsung.
So in their minds, that leaves "the other guys" (Apple).
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I see what you did there [google.com].
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That goes without saying. Anyone who really understood how the market would behave wouldn't be blabbing about it for free on the internet. Instead they'd be keeping their mouth shut and buying and selling stocks and getting progressively more wealthy.
It's not a secret and the stock prices have already moved. This is the just writing on the wall. When your biggest, most direct competitor fails in such an epic way as to have a full and complete recall after the recall and additionally have its product banned from airports you are in a damn good position. I mean, no the iPhone 7 isn't meant to be used underwater. The Galaxy Note 7 isn't allowed on airplanes, and if you fly the airlines are notifying ALL OF THEIR PASSENGERS TO NOT USE A SAMSUNG PRODUCT, whi
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I think a lot of people assume it's a Samsung ecosystem they're switching out of, not Android.
I'm pretty sure that isn't true. That would be like saying that drivers that buy cars don't know they whether they are getting a sedan, SUV or truck. Most people test drive it before they dish out the money. In my surroundings I can only point at 1 or 2 mobile device users that don't know and don't care and they are all above 60 years old.
Keep in mind that I still thing this analyst's numbers are way off.
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swapping ecosystems because of a bad phone???
I'm sure most of them haven't got any idea what an "ecosystem" is in terms of phones.
All they want is a shiny new phone.
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PS: Where can I buy a 'pixel'?
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Hopefully they have this figured out better than they did previously, so that people can actually see one in a store.
The average consumer still feels they have to go into a store and touch and feel a phone and won't just buy one online based on specs.
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The average consumer still feels they have to go into a store and touch and feel a phone and won't just buy one online based on specs.
And you say that like it's a bad thing? Does anyone still remember how the Pentium 4 had such a fast GHZ but was in fact, slower than the Pentium 3, especially the server versions of that CPU?
Going by specs would be completely stupid.
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I still prefer to see a phone in the flesh before I buy. A couple of mm here and there makes a big different to how it feels in the hand (no laughing at the back..), and I want to see how well made it feels.
Most people aren't experts in everything. (Score:2)
I once chastised my wife, "how can you not be curious how the TV works?" and she replied "how can you not be curious how your circulatory system works?". And she was right.
Do you think people who design bridges sit around complaining that "all these idiots driving over our bridges and they know nothing of the nuanced load bearing tradeoffs between suspension bridges and cable stayed--they just want to get to the other side". No, they don't, but for some reason we criticize people who don't care about the di
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For many people (I guess more than 1 out of 2) the ecosystem doesn't matter. What they have on their phone is a bunch of free apps. Also I expect many of these Note users were Previous Apple users who was looking for something new.
However for most of the people who really don't care there isn't that much difference.
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I think the average consumer feels it's Coke vs Pepsi. A few people violently care, but most people don't really care at all.
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Except that in the case of platforms, you may have a lot of money tied into either the "App Store" or "Google Play" for apps/music/video/etc
In addition, there's the pain of migrating calendars and the like. There are export options and tools to assist in that, but it could still get painful I fear. For music, Spotify customers would be fine but I am not sure about Play or iTunes, even where it is just a matter of playlists.
It's hard to tell of course how many people this matters for. In effect the article is telling us fewer than 50% of Note 7 owners are both clueful and worry about migration problems.
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the "obvious replacement" that isn't actually available to buy. They need a phone *now* because the one they have is either in an asbestos box on the slow boat back to Korea, or in danger of immolating their pants / car / house / etc.
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My question was primarily this - what are the 70% of Note users who are not switching to the iPhone 7 doing? People buy a Note because they want a phablet. They aren't going to downgrade to a smaller phone, most likely.
I know it will be pooh-poohed on Slashdot, but losing 30% of the users of your flagship product is NOT trivial.
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My question was primarily this - what are the 70% of Note users who are not switching to the iPhone 7 doing? People buy a Note because they want a phablet. They aren't going to downgrade to a smaller phone, most likely.
That is exactly the problem my wife had with replacing her Note 7. There simply are no competing products for the Note. She either had to downgrade to a 5.5" screen with no stylus, or go back to a Note 4/5. It is quite painful to pay $700+ for a phone released a year ago, so she went with a $250 refurbished Note 4.
In the end this fiasco cost us about $50 and a lot of hassle, since we traded in her old Note 4 for only $200.
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Sticking with my Note 4 until something better comes along. Pixel XL certainly isn't it. I'm hoping Samsung throws every good engineer they have into pushing the Note 8 out in Q1.
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Between the Note and the "waterproof" fiasco, I'm guessing there is some chair-throwing going on at Samsung HQ
Obvious Choice (Score:2)
The amazon "fire" phone seems apropos.
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Ecosystem doesn't really seem to be that big of a deal anymore. With a few exceptions (admittedly some of them are deal-breakers), you can find the same apps on Android and iOS and you can do the same kind of stuff on both platforms.
I prefer Android so I can tweak it just right, but ease of sharing photos with my family (who all use iOS) is enough of a boon for me to use iPhone. If I switch I'll probably encourage everyone to use a cross-platform photo sharing service, but you know how that goes... I'll b
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Not equivelent (Score:3, Interesting)
So people who picked the Galaxy Note 7 over the Galaxy 7, would go for the much smaller iPhone7 ?
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Yes, all 3 of them.
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You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong. Samsung's phones explode because the company is actively trying to kill off it's foreign customers. If an iPhone ever exploded it would be entirely because the user was containing the energy wrong.
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You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong.
Would that it was that simple. But operating systems aside, lets look at the situation. Its no doubt that people are really addicted to their smartphones, whatever their brand is.
So disregarding the brand or OS, just how favorably are you going to look upon a phone that easily combusts, that you have to send it back in a special box, and worst of all, you have to be without a phone for a little while.
I fell badly for Samsung. The battery aspect of all phones is a big problem, especially with marketing
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Easily combusts?
I hope we get a more detailed analysis of what the cause of the failures was and what the likely lifetime failure rate was.
It would be a shame if Samsung has to destroy all those beautiful Note 7's, perhaps they'll show up in foreign markets with a new battery eventually.
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They already did the "new battery" and those combusted too.
Don't you think that if it was as easy as swapping a battery pack, they would still be selling them and not eating what could be a $5B disaster?
This is a problem of fundamental design, or else it would have been fixed and they would still be on the market.
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This is a problem of fundamental design, or else it would have been fixed and they would still be on the market.
Some times we press the limits, some time we go past them. This is one of those times.
There are some chemistry physics that we are pressing up against, and when dealing with energy density, the more we put into something, the more it wants to get out. So as we incorporate more energy, the effort to contain it becomes paramount. And we are hamstringing ourselves as we try to reduce all the other parameters - Thickness, weight, wireless charging - while increasing the stored energy. Yikes! A recipe for gre
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You would hope so, and in some organizations that happens. I've sit in on a few engineering discussions where a response was being created to a "marketing requirements document" for a new product. You would be surprised (or maybe not, I don't know) at some of the shit that marketeers ask for when dreaming up products. And the engineering team gets to respond to these "requirements" often by saying things like "if some massive breakthrough in materials science happens in the next month, which allows for a
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By the way, that's usually the flowery language that gets sent to marketing, after everyone has a good laugh and a guessing game at what they might be smoking when they came up with the MRD.
In my first ever "real" job, I was working on some wideband RF amps. These were high performance CATV trunking amps. Our VP was one of these marketing types. Well we were having trouble making the Cross modulation and second order specs on a batch. He comes down to visit, and asks what the problm is.
"Whats th issue with those amplifiers?"
They can't quite make the specs for Cross mod and second order."
Oh - that's simple then. Just get them to make the specs for cross mod and second order."
I wanted
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Marketing managers need to answer to the physicists and engineers and chemists, not command them.
And the engineers that are responsible for the SoC in the S7 need to be fired, for making a design that eats nearly TWICE the power for a given set of tasks as the iPhone 7, and still delivers sub-par performance.
I hear people are warming up to it though.........
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It's likely a rushed design - there are reports that Samsung accelerated the release of the Note 7 so it could take the wind out of Apple's sails by having the Note 7 out and plentiful when the iPhone 7 was announced.
So there could very well be fundamental flaws in the hardware because the urgency was to get it finished and manufactured in time for mass distribution by the Apple keynote (which hap
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Hopefully this is a lesson that is studied and learned across many market segments: rush a release just to take the jam out of a competitor's donut, and you might end up cutting a corner that costs the company $5B in real costs, and far more in intangible costs (damage to brand, reduced customer loyalty, etc.)
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but dammit customers want a long battery life.
...and fast charging times. But with the S7's power-hog of a design (twice the battery of the iPhone 7, for only 6% better run-time, and actually LESS run-time than the iPhone 7 Plus!) means that Samsung had to not only "tickle the Dragon's tail", but to insert a finger or two up the Dragon's ass to try and get reasonably close to the iPhone's two hour charge time with their nearly 4,000 mAh battery. And the result exploded in their face, as the Dragon awoke to find that it was being anally-violated...
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You don't seem to understand. Everyone now knows that Samsung is the evil devil and Apple is their saviour who could do no wrong. Samsung's phones explode because the company is actively trying to kill off it's foreign customers. If an iPhone ever exploded it would be entirely because the user was containing the energy wrong.
I thought this entire exploding Samsung phone thing was Apples fault? Pray, enlighten me oh bitter and hateful one... I am confused.
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If anything, the people switching to iPhones were originally iPhone users that switched to Android and got the wrong impression based on faulty hardware.
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the iPhone 7 Plus is expected to be the main model benefitting from this transition.
So when they say they're switching to the iPhone 7, they're really saying they're switching from Android to iPhone. The iPhone 7 Plus (5.5" screen) is only a little smaller than the Galaxy Note 7 (5.7" screen), and larger than the Galaxy 7 (5.1" screen).
Um, no. (Score:4, Insightful)
There is such a thing called "ecosystem lockdown" or however you want to call it.
Be it from getting used to where stuff is, how UX works or whether you paid for shit (apps, games, etc).
Also there's a big difference between what people say will do and what they will actually do.
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There's also a huge difference between what analysts say and reality.
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The analyst cited in the article has a pretty good repuation [cultofmac.com] (Google him). Doesn't seem prudent to outright reject his projections because you disagree with them.
Ming-Chi Kuo has an amazing reputation predicting future Apple products. There is zero history of predictions about sales and consumer preferences, which are completely different. No Apple insider or supply chain source can help shed light on that.
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Sometimes market trends don't particularly make sense, especially when that trend is a prompt reaction to a safety recall.
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I would argue that the majority of people are not really aware of the implications of switching ecosystems unless they've switched in the past, or don't use them to the extent that it is too much of a bother.
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Anectodal evidence: I never switched scosystems.
Small sample statistical evidence: the dozens of people I talked to around the "Apple versus Android" topic all named "ecosystem" as the biggest switch prevention reason. Some reasons below (randomly ordered):
- "my data is in the google Cloud" (pictures, contacts, calendar, files)
- "I bought this or that app"
- "I am used to the menus"
- "Android sucks" / "Apple sucks".
Simple choices (Score:3)
If you what something that's 95% of a Note 7, you're going to get a S7 Edge. Same great camera, same IP68, nearly the same UX (and nearly identical after Nougat), same edge functionality, uSD storage, same great battery life, and works with the 2-3 bonus gifts you got (Active watch, uSD card, Gear VR).
If you are pissed as Samsung and don't want to "reward them," you'll be getting either a Pixel or an LG V20. Both are fresh off the line (not some "old, tired" model from 6 months ago, like the S7E), come with
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Same here, I had HTC and Samsung phones, my wife's tablet is a Nexus built by LG, my brother-in-law also owns an LG tablet.
None of us care about the brand, but what the device has to offer.
A thousand times (Score:2)
As Brexit showed us, Westerners have grown very comfortable (and now even enjoy in Durdenesque way) lying to pollsters.
This is why the specter of Trump still worries me; he's not behind enough.
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Causality breakdown detected.
It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package.
If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.
Re:Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
Causality breakdown detected.
It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package. If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.
On the other hand, if they're avoiding expensive phones, they wouldn't have bought a Note 7 either.
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If we're discussing a subgroup of Android users, then we should also look at the app-buying behaviour of that subgroup.
For example; say the average age of all living human is about 35, that does not mean the average age of people in kindergarten is 35.
Grandparent did not make such a distinction.
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If they are looking for inexpensive, they wouldn't be buying Samsung's flagship device. They would be buying something... inexpensive.
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Causality breakdown detected.
It may be people spend less money on Android apps because they want to spend less money on the total package. If that were true, it would follow that they would never buy an expensive iPhone in the first place, regardless of the ecosystem or apps.
Yeah, exactly. Unless of course it's not that people don't want to spend money on apps, but that Android apps are mostly "free", so they don't spend much on Android apps. Or that people are only willing to pay for high quality apps, and that is why most Android apps are free.
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Their data is in that ecosystem. Pictures saved in cloud, e-mail, contacts, tasks, calendar.
Switching is a pain, not because it's difficult but mainly because it's inconvenient.
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Some of us like headphone jacks!
That's why the iPhone 7 comes with a headphone jack. Right on the end of the handy, included headphone adapter.
Yeah, right... (Score:2)
Your new Hyundai sedan might randomly explode, so after you return it you are likely to buy a Harley motorcycle instead???
Not related: I used to buy most things samsung until about 1-2 years ago (2 monitors, phones, AC, Plasma Smart TV, home theater, external USB drives etc), but after their support treated me badly on the Smart TV and my Galaxy phone stopped getting updates relatively soon (with the last one being subpar), I vowed to never buy Samsung again - for phones I switched to Xiaomi...
Well, at the bleeding edge. . . (Score:2)
. . . .there are, or WERE three choices: the Galaxy Note 7, the iPhone 7, and the Pixel.
With the Samsung, pulled, that leaves 2 remaining choices. A 50-50 split is pretty much expected, all things being equal. But, as noted elsewhere, at least with the Pixel, you're still in the Android ecosystem. . .
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Which shops sell Pixels?
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I know that Ting Wireless [ting.com] sells them online. . .
Me, I refuse to pay the Bleeding Edge Tax. I'm currently upgrading the family's Galaxy S3s to Galaxy S5's . . it's all about balancing capability with cost. . .
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I'm not sure what characteristics you are using for inclusion in your choices, there are other phones with similar hardware. For example, the LG V20.
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The S7 Edge has a much larger screen and a larger battery. In fact, it has a slightly larger battery than the Note 7.
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Aside from the silly slide thing, you do get a more visual real estate in a smaller (narrower) package. Plus a larger battery. And, in some cases, carriers are offering bigger discounts on the S7E at the moment (the difference was $0 for me: $149 either way on the big V)
If only Amazon had a phone... (Score:5, Funny)
BLU Phones (Score:2)
I honestly think that this is an opportunity for BLU to make inroads, I use an unlocked and rooted BLU Phone, and I like the Vanilla AOSP feel of the units, the fact the units have a Removable battery, Two SIM card slots, and an SD Card. They are cheaper, and work well with third party online applications like OwnCloud, and eGroupware.
However many retail locations are discontinuing them. Cyanogen Mod only supports certain models of them. I've seen some Youtubers praise these phones as being close to Parity
Stylus (Score:2)
30% of 40% does not equal 50% (Score:2)
"A study that was conducted recently by Branding Brand revealed that 40 percent of Samsung customers who ordered a Note 7 are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, with 30 percent of respondents explaining that the iPhone is very likely to be their next destination. Only 8 percent of them picked the Google Pixel, but what's good for the ecosystem is that 62 percent of the users said they wanted to stick with Android."
I would consider purchasing a Note 8, if... (Score:2)
Samsung could clearly and verifiably show what the real issue is with the Note 7, which they have not done yet. And then show that it was completely solved and safe in the Note 8.
Plus ship the Note 8 with a fully unlocked Bootloader, so that we can easily install crapware-free ROM's such as CyanogenMod.
There are a lot of good things to like about the Samsung Galaxy Note series, including phablet size, stylus, and display.
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Trust in the Samsung ecosystem (Score:2)
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*sigh* Could people at least read the effin' summary, if they don't bother with the article. It says right there, they're moving to iPhones.
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While 40 percent of them said they are ready to jump ship to a different manufacturer, 30 percent of respondents said they are likely going to be switching to the iPhone.
Since when is 30 in 100 equal to 1 in 2, as the headline suggests? In addition to their other shortcomings, are /. editors like BeauHD incapable of using a calculator, if their math skills are so abysmal?
Literally the very next sentence of TFS... (Score:3)
KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors that approximately 50 percent of those who ordered a Note 7 are now very likely to go for an iPhone 7,
Just keep reading. No, I'm not demanding you actually read TFA either - nobody does that.
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However, according to one analyst, that number could be even higher.
Nowhere in the cited passage that followed did it say anything about 1/2 of Note 7 users switching to the iPhone.
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Since when is 30 in 100 equal to 1 in 2, as the headline suggests? In addition to their other shortcomings, are /. editors like BeauHD incapable of using a calculator, if their math skills are so abysmal?
That's because 30% of the time, they will switch every time.
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You are aware that you are a fucking idiot, and no one came here to read your shit about politics.
Yet here you are replying to my comment.
So go back to Hillaries snatch and suck some more fucking retard.
Thank God I'm not a Trump supporter like yourself.
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from outside (I'm Brazillian), I'm everyday less certain of this: the Hillary rejection only seems to climb...
Based on what? POTUS is decided by the electoral college vote and not the popular vote. Hillary started off with ~350 electoral votes. The only way Trump can get the minimum 271 electoral votes is to win Florida (can go either way), Ohio (no Republican has ever won without this state) and Pennsylvania (last voted Republican in 1988). If he fails to win all three states, the election is over. Based on current polls in those states, he's not going to win the election.
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The brand damage is such that not many people are going to be like, "Yeah, give me another Samsung phone. In fact, give me another one from the same family."
How many people taking the VW TDi buyback option are going to go out and buy another VW?
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But how many will go from a VW TDi to a moped?
No, there people will pick one of the dozens of other Android phone makers because they want the capabilities that the Androids have.
My suspicion is that the Pixel will be the big winner in all of this, though there are better choices out there.
Re:S7 Edge (Score:5, Insightful)
Most people (e.g. people that don't post to Slashdot) don't give a shit about all the capabilities that Android has.
They want a big technoslab that they can text from, look shit up on the web, take selfies and post them to the Book of Faces, read reviews about the place they are going to eat, get directions to that place, and occasionally make phone calls.
Just about any phone out there, including the iPhone, meets those "requirements".
Also, your loose comparison of the iPhone 7 to a moped is ridiculous, and shows bias.
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It's merely your assumption that the brand has been damaged. The vast majority of Note 7 owners never had an issue with their phone, it was recalled and they were inconvenienced. The VW situation was different, all the VW's recalled were defective. VW owners were all deceived. It remains to be seen if the Note 7 issues involved more than an excessively high rate of failure (which could still be a very low rate of failure) of batteries or was something deeper.
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So, bend-gate was a Russian plot as well then?
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It's time to take your medicine. There is no conspiracy here - people don't like the idea that a phone can burn their fucking house down, even if the probability is low. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
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I didn't read "conspiracy" in that statement. I also don't look at the lack of purchase of something that might cause harm being a bad choice. I look at the single name given as the alternative...I mean... natural progression.. being an issue.
"Doesn't buy Samsung, intelligently" does not equate to "Buying iPhone 7 is the best recourse". "Buying something other than the risk" is the best. Numbers are so malleable nowadays that this could easily by a ploy by Apple to get more customers. Mind ya, the same [wikipedia.org]
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"50 percent of Note 7 owners likely to switch to iPhone"... ... hoe likely? like 50% chances?
*sigh*
There's a 50/50 chance, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that.
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If they used a Note instead of cheaper Android phones, then they wanted the stylus and multi-pane Note features. iPhone7 doesn't offer those. They'll switch to Note 6, or one of the other stylus Android phones from other manufacturers.
"KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors..."
So it's just one mans opinion and he didn't think it through.
Well, "KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo" has a better track record than "Anonymous Coward". And maybe the reason why people buy phones aren't what Android advocates claim they are after all.
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The answer is both. Some people are full of shit, and lots of those people are called "Analysts."
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So what Mr. Cook meant by "courage" was it would take courage for brand loyal consumers to switch from Androids to an inferior Apple product.
What is "inferior", pray tell, about the iPhone 7? Answer carefully, as I can most likely logically and factually refute any of your reasoning.
It's not as white as your teeth.