Alicia Keys Latest Artist To Enforce No Cell Phone Policy at Concerts (slashgear.com) 482
Shane McGlaun, reporting for SlashGear:It appears that artists of all sorts are getting very serious about keeping fans from using smartphones while they are at their concerts or events. The latest musician to ban cell phones at her events is Alicia Keys. Fans aren't forced to give up their smartphones at the door to be locked up in some locker or box until the show is over. Rather, fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event, but they can't get to the device to call, take photos, or shoot video. If they need to use their device during the show the users can go back to the door and a worker passes a disc about the size of a bagel over the bag to unlock it and the fan can step outside to use their smartphone.
As long as it's for the right reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:As long as it's for the right reason (Score:5, Interesting)
I go to a lot of concerts but I find smart phone users during the show very obnoxious.
We went to see Tom Petty at the Rose Quarter/Moda center in Portland . The folks in front of us were constantly taking selfies *with flash* , googling, doing fucking Facebook and more during the music. It was such a bad experience, we'll never return to that venue.
We've run in to the behavior at other shows but not as bad as this one.
I'm all for bagging cellphones during concerts if people can't learn to behave with them.
Some of the venues I go to (smaller ones) remind idiots when they're being idiots with cellphones.
Re:As long as it's for the right reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Wait until you go to a show and somebody's doing all this with an iPad.
Re:As long as it's for the right reason (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's an idea. Instead of taking the heavy-handed approach of banning cell phones at concerts, simply remove the incentive to create an amateur video of the concert you're attending with your cell phone. Hire a professional camera crew who makes a slick video of the concert. Then give each ticket-holder a unique code which entitles them to download a free copy of this video a few days after the concert.
The fans are happy because they get a nice video to relieve the experience, instead of a crappy cell phone video. The musician is happy because there are no (or fewer) annoying cell phones and flashes going off in the concert. And the production studio is happy because they can use software to detect copies of the concert video uploaded to YouTube, instead of having to hire people to scour YouTube for amateur videos of the concert. Win-win-win.
Re:As long as it's for the right reason (Score:4, Informative)
I'm extremely conflicted on this issue. I strive to not be a hypocrite as much as possible so in this try to constrain my activities to a set of rules that I would be comfortable with everyone else following. SO here's where I'm at:
I go to a LOT of concerts. I believe the vast majority of people don't understand the depth of this statement. 5-7 nights a week. 250-300 days out of the year I'm seeing live music. There are many different kinds of shows and each one has slightly different rules. Clubs are very different from Theaters are very different from Stadiums are very different from Festivals. You really need to respect the environment you're in. I really hate how a lot of people use their phones during a show BUT at the same time my favorite hobby, aside from seeing the music in the first place, is capturing it for the many many people who live vicariously through my concert experiences. This is not vanity. I get thanks on the daily from people who don't have the time or money to go see what I do and truly appreciate the photos and videos I capture and share. SO, I need to find a balance between getting that done and not being "that guy" at a show either. Here are the rules I try to follow:
1) Turn off your flash. *Period. Cell phone flashes suck. You will get better photos with the light that is being provided by the stage light engineer. The *only time you need your phone flash is if you are taking pictures of your friends in the audience and then only if they are in the dark (see #2). Your friends look cooler if you take a photo away from the stage so they are illuminated by the stage lighting anyway.
2) I don't take selfies or group shots during shows: This is not only obnoxious for the flash that is often used (necessary or no) but also for the "sorry we're going to expand and shove you all out of the way so we can get an unobstructed shot". I'm not going to say I've never been in such a shot nor taken one but I avoid it to the max because I hate it when it happens.
3) Keep video to a minimum: I love having videos but hate taking them and it's really hard not to be "that guy" while doing so. Aside from the above *never use flash while recording because goddammit why are you blinding me for that long! but also: a) Video is better horizontal than vertical. b) try to not hold the phone blocking everyone else's view. This is prime if you can be close enough that you can hold your phone over someone's shoulder so only you and maybe the couple people immediately behind you can see it. c) Phone video only looks good when you hold the phone extremely still. If you can't do this then don't record video. d) (Personally) since I want this to be worthwhile to the general public I always record a entire song. I don't want to watch some crappy minute long shaky video of whatever so if I'm going to go through the hassle and aggravation of recording one then its going to be steady, quiet and a complete song. I also shoot for no more than 1 video per show or set if any.
4) Do your work quick and go away. Block people's view for as little time as possible and put your phone away. I've had shows where I took literally hundreds of photos and the people around me were like "dude I rarely saw your phone in the air". Look for a good shot, get your settings configured when the phone is out of view, pop it up and take a few quick shots (this is faster when the flash is off and any HDR is off as well!) and put the phone away. ALSO you're not going to capture the whole show. Don't try. Take a bunch of (near most) songs off and just enjoy them. I've been behind people who were shooting constantly and it's annoying.
5) Don't do a bunch of other stuff with your phone. If it's a really major show I might do a single FB update with a photo but else my phone is in my pocket unless it's being a camera or watch. *exception: for really large shows (festivals / stadiums) people may need to find where I am / vice versa so texting is a necessary evil sometimes BUT I'm not sitting there chatting about other crap. Purely lo
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I'm okay with banning the use of cell phones to record the show, but that should be done with bouncers, not by locking up people's cell phones so that they are unavailable if an emergency should arise. Locking up the phones in bags represents a public safety concern, and thus should not be taken lightly.
If they don't want people filming the show, should be simple enough to bathe the stage in a wavelength of light that the human eye can't pick up, but the cameras in the phones still do.
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They could probably flash a pattern of infrared light that cameras would be required to respect and shut down, but THEN it would be just a matter of time until law enforcement officers started flashing the SAME infrared light pattern to prevent bystanders from filming them. And venues like Disney started flashing it everywhere so they could make you pay them for photos instead of allowing customers to take their own photos for free. And stores like Best Buy & Walmart started flashing it to keep you from
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At least a gun would have a fighting chance of blowing a hole in the bag. Then again, if that fan fails and the cell phone goes into thermal runaway, I'd imagine it would blow a hole in the bag, too, so... never mind.
Speaking of liability....
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I think dgatwood was suggesting that bouncers should just observe the crowd and confront anyone who appears to be recording the concert.
Exactly.
And to whatever AC's keep saying "just grab a bouncer", ya fucking right, you've obviously never BEEN to a concert, have you? Not too long ago there were a couple guys who got arrested because they were out in the crowd groping girls. The bouncers didn't see it happen, and didn't stop it. The ONLY reason they were ID'd was because other patrons recorded them and had video evidence.
Ya, "just go get a security guard", that's fucking retarded. By the time you get through the crowd, find a guard who car
Liability? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm just waiting for the first time that the inability to make a 911 call quickly from one of these shows (heart attack, stroke, active shooter, etc.) results in someone's unnecessary death. After one lawsuit erases the benefits of the entire tour, the insurance companies will start levying huge surcharges for any shows that ban cellphones, and all this nonsense will take care of itself.
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Funny)
You do realize that cell phones didn't always exist, and people still managed to survive?
Lies! I was around then. It was very rare to survive a concert in those days.
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Funny)
Terrorists didn't exist back then. I need my phone because terrorists.
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Funny)
Terrorists didn't exist back then. I need my phone because terrorists.
This. How am I supposed to sell footage of a terrorist attack to the media if I can't get to my phone!
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Insightful)
We didn't used to have anesthesia and clean medical facilities, either, and people survived then, too.
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Not having cell phones available isn't the same as being denied them.
Let's use a different example: portable defibrillators.
Before they had them, yes, some people died. And it was sad, but nothing could be done.
Now that they have them, can you imagine the torrent of lawsuits if someone dropped from a heart attack and the only portable defibrillator WAS LOCKED AWAY?
Somewhere, a lawyer has a boner.
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Are you naive or stupid?
CALL THE FUCKING ONESITE MEDICAL TEAM.
They'll be there much much much much much much much much much quicker than a fucking ambulance AND they'll be a fuck of a lot better at guiding an ambulance to the incident than you would.
Your blind faith in calling for an ambulance is pathetic, ignorant and helpless. Learn some fucking first aid.
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Have you ever been to a concert? No, really?
Do you think that making a 9-1-1 or 1-1-2 phone call is even possible over the din of the band and the crowd?
Leave making emergency calls to the emergency crew which is present, and have a room or a van from which phone calls can be made. That way, your great-uncle might even survive his heart attack, unlike if you panic and try to make a call yourself.
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Yes. Modern cell phones are quite good at noise rejection; there are real advantages from having your mouth an inch from the main mic and multiple microphones elsewhere on the device. Besides, all that 911 needs to know is that there's a medical emergency. They can tell the location from GPS even if they can't tell it from the noise level.
No shit (Score:3, Insightful)
And before someone starts complaining about "But we didn't used to have cellphones!" no we didn't, now we do: It's called progress. One thing that has helped emergency response times quite a bit in high income nations is the proliferation of mobile phones. When something happens emergency services can be notified in seconds, and get the response rolling that much faster.
Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire respon
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Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire responders on scene in under 2 minutes, police 30 seconds later and EMS in about 4. In that case, it didn't matter, everyone was fine other than bruises, but had there been something serious, it is much more likely it could have been dealt with. The only reason the response was so fast was that it was in a populated area, and that I was able to call for help almost immediately.
My Ford Explorer & my wife's Ford Escape have a 9-1-1 assist mode that will call 9-1-1 automatically if you're in an accident. I'd imagine that the majority of newer cars would have it as well. Since I've owned mostly jalopies for the past 15 years, I was very pleased to see that as a feature.
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Dear god,
Please make sure earth has a front row seat for the upcoming solar superstorms.
Thank you!
Sick of the mobile revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Informative)
Ok let's clear some things up here in dot points:
1. Nothing good has ever come from random people calling 911 for emergency services to a very large public venue. All you achieve is to confuse the dispatchers and result in a bunch of ambulances arriving to the wrong place, announcing to the wrong place and ultimately delaying care for those that need.
2. Part of event organisation includes co-ordination. There's never an assumption or a requirement to have the public involved in managing an event. The organisers have teams with radios for communication, and can easily and quickly manage any scenario.
3. Following on from the above dot point one of the key parts of managing an emergency at a public event is getting people to NOT help and getting them to stay out of the way. Despite what you think is happening in nearly every case the situation is being far better managed than you think and no unless you're a doctor you're not at all helping.
4. I don't want someone to call 911. I want someone to call the local first aid team which is part of the emergency response plan which will likely be there in seconds, not 10s of minutes.
5. ALL such events have insurance. ALL such events are required to provide an emergency response plan to the insurance company.
6. In an active shooter event all bets are off. More people will get injured in the resulting stampede than get shot by the shooter. Still the best person to 911 is security, the guys who likely can see the shooter and follow where he is moving, not some person hiding under the chair providing wonderful information to dispatch such as "bwaaa I don't know where he is, bwaaaa someone is shooting, bwaaaa get me out of here"
And completely unrelated to an emergency the use of mobile phones at a concert is just pure and utter garbage that results in pure and utter garbage videos, pure and utter garbage sound, and makes you a pure and utter garbage person for holding up a lit display in the person behind you's face.
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If you or someone next to you has a stroke, how long will it take someone to reach someone at security? Shows can be quite densely packed, don't assume you can do that in a minimal amount of time. And for a stroke, every second counts.
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Also, what's some hired thug going to do in a medical emergency? There's a reason that EMTs and paramedics undergo quite a lot more training than the eight hours it takes to get a "guard card".
Plus, venue security is usually more concerned with the venue and it's reputation than the health and well-being of the customers. Around here for example, there were several notorious incidents shortly after the passage of the R.A.V.E. Act, when security guards, encountering someone having medical issues or even so
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Insightful)
this is a non-starter.
I worked as an usher for many years, I worked many many concerts. There are ushers on the sides of every section, with radios. There are security guards walking around the show and just outside the seating areas.
Nobody is going to call 911 in an emergency on their cellphone...Have you tried talking on your cellphone during a show? Neither the caller or the 911 operator would *not* hear a word said. You would call 911..the operator would get on say something and you'd say "sorry, can't hear you...hold on while I leave my seat, walk down the stairs and to a more quiet place."
It would be foolish for someone to try and handle it themselves, if your friend was having a medical emergency you would kill them. There is medical staff standing which includes an ambulance. You spending 10 minutes trying to get through and talk to a 911 operator would simply kill your friend. In fact, I bet if you told the operator that you were at a concert they would tell you to immediately hang up and talk to security.
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Informative)
Here is what actually happens when you call 911 from an event (personal experience):
911: 911, what is the nature of your emergency
Me: I think my companion is having a heart attack
911: What is your location
Me: XYZ Arena
911: Is an event in progress?
Me: Yes
911: EMS is on-site for all events. Find the nearest person with a 'Staff' or 'Security' vest and tell them. They will have EMS there immediately
And I did, and EMS was there within 30 seconds. And before EMS even arrived, the security staff had cleared a path for them and made room around the patient.
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I have a different experience. Open air "event" with inverted commas because it wasn't a proper organised event but rather a super large gathering. One guy fell off the makeshift stage and broke his leg. EMS was called. Probably by about 20 people at once. A few interesting things happened.
- 3 Ambulances arrived to treat one person. I hope there wasn't something life threatening going on somewhere else.
- The ambulance arrived within 2 minutes. It was close to 10 minutes before they actually found where the
Re:Liability? (Score:4, Informative)
If you or someone next to you has a stroke, how long will it take someone to reach someone at security? Shows can be quite densely packed, don't assume you can do that in a minimal amount of time. And for a stroke, every second counts.
OK, so if the show is so densely packed that you can't even reach security, what's a phone call going to do? Seriously, do you think paramedics are going to find "the person in the audience who called 911" if you haven't even identified yourself to security?
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Unless a venue security person sees what's happening, you're going to have to find one of them, and that potentially adds a critical minute to the response time. If you instead called 911 while you ran to find the local help, they could get an ambulance or police car rolling towards the venue before event security even knew there was a problem.
Re:Liability? (Score:5, Insightful)
There are already ambulances and police on site at any event of this size. Insurance requires it, the fire code likely requires it, common sense dictates it, and the artists usually have it in their contract (even if they're only thinking of themselves). Trying to get help sent from the outside will likely take longer than finding someone in a position of authority at the venue.
Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . (Score:4, Interesting)
. . . . a Bluetooth Camera/Audio pickup. Unless this "Yondr" bag is a dual-layered Faraday shield. . . .
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Why? You're implying there's a mass market for people desperate to bootleg this kind of material rather than just arseholes who have a phone and think they will ever do anything at all productive with a video which shining a light in the face of the person behind them.
I don't know of anyone who goes to a concert with the intent to bootleg the show, yet I know of plenty of people who will pull out their phone with what I can only conclude was a thought process that went something like: "I know what will make
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Definitely don't LOOK Faraday shielded.
Best article I could find on what they are/how they work: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/i-let-yondr-lock-my-smartphone-in-a-sock-so-i-could-live-in-the-moment/ [arstechnica.com]
They seem to basically be a cell-phone sized sleeve with a "security tag" style locking mechanism.
Nothing technical about it. (Score:3)
It is a just a bag with a lock on it, the phone operates like normal and if you don't put it on vibrate or no sound it will still ring.
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Only now you won't be able to get to it, silence it, or shut it off? ... sounds like real "progress".
Great
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I would assume that at a concert, nobody will be able to hear a phone anyways. Concert noise levels at events like this probably push a hundred db or more, while a cell phone ringtone is probably only about 60 to 70 db.
If you have to shout to a person who is right beside you for them to hear what you are saying, what makes you think you'd hear a cell phone ring?
Maybe I'm missing something (Score:2)
Can't you just cut this open with a pocket knife?
I even RTFA but it was not helpful on that question.
Perhaps they're just relying on most people not doing that and making it easier to enforce since there will be few people to chase down.
I like the guy whining that in this day and age the cell phone is how he remembers. Apparently, at least some humans consider their wetware memories an archaic vestigial device.
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i would enjoy returning a shredded bag on my way out
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Can't you just cut this open with a pocket knife?
I even RTFA but it was not helpful on that question.
Sure, but given that the bag is the property of the venue, you can be charged with willful destruction of property. And bringing a knife to a concert too, which I'm sure is against at least some municipal laws.
Perhaps they're just relying on most people not doing that and making it easier to enforce since there will be few people to chase down.
Yes, I'm sure that this cuts down on the number enough that it's easier to enforce the rule on the rest. Toss out the fucktards with no refund - they knew the rules before they went in, and chose to ignore them and circumvent them.
To anyone so dependent on their phones: Just don't go. Save the mon
Worth noting with regards to Alicia Keys (Score:2)
You've found my only weakness! (Score:2)
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Except that this is probably more about minimizing the workload of the bouncers than it is about making it physically impossible to get to your phone.
Weird Al is the opposite (Score:5, Informative)
I saw Weird Al Yankovic this past weekend. Entering the venue, we were specifically told that we could use cell phones if we liked. Part of his show involved everybody getting their cell phone out and waving them over their head - we all have cell phones, so c'mon, let's get real!
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I saw Weird Al Yankovic ... his show involved everybody getting their cell phone out and waving them over their head ... so c'mon, let's get real!
The point of his show ... you missed it. Spectacularly!
For future reference the hint is in the term "parody."
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Oh I've seen it. I suggest you remember who this is we're talking about and remember what to think about an artist which has made his entire living calling out the incredibly stupid shit people do through parody.
mixed (Score:3)
In the conflict between people who don't understand how much of a nuisance they are with their phones, and the people who are self-righteously snooty about how other people use their phones, I'm not sure there's a clear winner. I can see the impulse from both sides, a little, but in the long run I think I'm going to say this goes down as a dumb policy.
fake phone? (Score:2)
Why not just bring 2 phones? Have your fake phone put into the bag while your real phone stays out?
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Why would a person get kicked out of the concert if they didn't happen to try and use their phone during the concert? Presumably, if something urgent enough came up that they needed to use their phone, they probably wouldn't have cared if they got kicked out.
However, it is human nature to resent being locked up or having one's freedom taken away, even if a person doesn't have anywhere else to be at the time, and I think that the objection to putting people's cell phones in bags to keep them from using t
How do they even know you have a cell phone? (Score:3)
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How durable are they? (Score:2)
I wonder how durable these bags are. Wildly guessing, I'd speculate that if they're cheap enough to hand out on mass numbers, they're also made of light enough materials to be torn open by hand, or cut into with, perhaps, the extraneous key I have on my keychain for when I'm tempted to pry or screw something with a key but don't want to muck up one of the keys that actually open things I care about. One thing I do know, is that if any venue tries this stunt with me, and I can't tear the bag open, it's goi
Tyvek (Score:2)
Probably made from Tyvek. Very cheap, but cannot be torn, can be cut with scissors easily however.
"Slow down cowboy, it's been 30 minutes since you last posted a comment...."
So glad... (Score:2)
I'd never go to these performers (refuse to call them "artists") concerts....
Simple to circumvent (Score:2)
Unless they are going to frisk everybody, just bring two phones. When they ask if you have a phone, serve up the dummy.
The opposite of the last concert I was at (Score:2)
You're gonna need .... (Score:2)
Local cell tower for 911 (Score:2)
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Re:Liability (Score:4, Insightful)
The same people who have always been responsible: The on-site security. They don't need access to a phone, they just need to grab one of the guys or gals RIGHT THERE.
We went to concerts before everyone had phones you know...
Re:Liability (Score:4, Insightful)
So who is liable if there is an emergency and nobody in the crowd is able to access a phone to actually report it?
If anything, I believe emergency response times were better before everybody had a cell phone and 500 people called the emergency number at the same time.
The guards presumably still have working phones.
Re:Liability (Score:4, Informative)
The guards presumably still have working phones.
Better: At venues large enough that this is really an "issue" there is often an ambulance already onsite to deal with any medical calamities--for "music festivals" there are often two on site. So the hundreds of bouncers they have working these shows all have walkie-talkie radios and can probbaly get the already-there ambulance crew to your seat faster than you'd get an ambulance dispatched from the fire station by 9-1-1, to the venue, parked, and into the place.
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The event organisers. You know the ones with the radio communications, the emergency response procedures, the trained first aiders, and the insurance for when it all goes tits up.
Next question?
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I turn 34 this year. I definitely remember life without cell phones and more to the point, life without 'smart phones'.
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60,000 people calling 911 at once is probably not the best way to handle an emergency anyway.
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Doing a quick check for venue and stadium security jobs, the primary qualifications are (1) High School Graduate, and (2) No criminal record for 7 years. Being bilingual is nice.
I rather doubt that most venue security types are "specifically trained for it". In my experience, they've been bouncer types, but your mileage may vary. . .
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Sure, because there is no such thing as on-site training for procedures specific to a particular event but not yet standard in the industry as a whole, that security might possibly receive after being hired...
Re:This seems dangerous (Score:4, Insightful)
They are specifically trained. Not to do anything medical, but to get on their radios and say 'medical emergency in section 123'. Then, as if by magic, the ON SITE EMS team shows up and deals with it.
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Most event staff probably have training on the defibrillator machines (they aren't that hard to use) and I imagine most of these venues have medics on site during large events.
Re:This seems dangerous (Score:5, Insightful)
But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
Re:This seems dangerous (Score:5, Informative)
Somehow, before the age of cellphones, we did ok. I don't know how, but we survived.
Re:This seems dangerous (Score:4, Insightful)
And what precisely would you be able to do if your father was dying of a stroke while you were in a venue, particularly a stadium? Teleport to his side?
Face it, just because it is possible to be in phone contact during an emergency doesn't really mean that you have to be or that it will even help.
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Re:This seems dangerous (Score:4, Funny)
But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
Apple Watch.
Or, are these actual Faraday bags, not just can't-get-to-the-device-access-control-bags?
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They don't block cell phone signals, the founder of Yonder is quoted as saying:
"They have the phone in their pocket, but it's locked so if the phone vibrates they can step outside to text or call," Dugoni tells us.
I suppose if the ban is just on cellphones you are free to use an iPod touch or other non-phone device, possibly tethered to your bagged phone. Or an Apple watch could be used to text. Or more likely if you start waving any shiny rectangular object above your head security is just going to toss
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But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
Duh, you just look at your iWatch to see who is calling. What idiot would have a smartphone without a smartwatch?
Re:This seems dangerous (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess people will have to survive just like those dark times before cell phones were invented.
Well, technically, the majority of people who lived before cell phones were invented have not survived at all.
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Or, you know, go to concerts performed by musicians who aren't threatened by modern technology. Weird Al, for example, encourages people to wave them in the air like people used to do with lighters during his "We All Have Cellphones" song.
Re:Or, you know.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I came to see the band, not your fucking cell phone that you insist and holding over your head, blocking my goddamned view.
Saw one of my favorite bands recently. The girl behind us actually had the temerity to ask us to "keep it down" because she was recording the band on her cell phone. At a rock concert.
Re:Or, you know.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:movie theaters (Score:5, Funny)
That's an excellent idea! Without cellphones, the movie theatre experience would be much better since we'd only have to worry about people talking to each others during the movie, the noise from people munching on oversized snacks, slurping their two litres of soft drinks, the sticky floors and the fact that you can't pause the movie to go to the filthy public bathroom.
After experiencing movies at home, on-demand and at the low cost of Netflix, you'd have to pay me to go to the theatre.
Re:movie theaters (Score:5, Informative)
Recently theaters have started to catch on to this. Even here in "blue laws" PA, theaters are selling beer. They are increasingly installing electric reclining seats with assigned seating. One theater even serves you decent pub-style food directly to your seat during the movie. It's not for everyone, and it sure does jack up the price - but I've started going to the theater again after a long time of avoiding it.
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I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door (to keep the noise from being audible to the rest of the theater), a speaker inside simulcasting the audio track from the movie (if not one or more LCD TVs showing the movie itself, since it's all digital now anyway), and a queue area from which the screen can be viewed while waiting in line. They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the mo
Re:movie theaters (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd really like to see this at children's plays and recitals. You ever see 100 parents pull out iPads to video their first grader at a school play? It's very hard to see... sometimes its easier to watch the play on the screen of the fool in front of me.
Re: movie theaters (Score:5, Funny)
Except when the entire first two rows are filled with overzealous mothers that form a roman-shield formation of iPads taking video.
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Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos (Score:2, Insightful)
The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone and be an annoying dickhole (thank god). You agree to pay to see a performer, and part of that agreement is their requirements for you to attend. If you don't like that agreement, don't attend.
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The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone
You're right. You know why? Because governments cannot grant rights. You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The constitution doesn't have you grant you any right.
You're correct, but you have neither a civil right nor a Lockean or Hobbesian right to trespass on private property. If you're invited in, your invite can be revoked for any and all reasons not otherwise contrary to civil law relating to discrimination against Protected Classes in public establishments. "Cell phone user" is not one of those, so the owner of the hall is free to kick your ass out.
You have no liberty right on private property.
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You know, cell phones haven't been that ubiquitous for that long.
It wasn't that many years ago...we went to concerts with *GASP* No cell phones at all!! No one owned them.
We all survived just fine.
I'm gonna throw you a REAL curve ball here..but a LOT of us around that are maybe midd
Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos (Score:5, Insightful)
I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.
I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.
And it's exactly because of assholes like you that going anywhere, movie, concert, etc., had become unbearable. Fuck you and your fucking phone.
Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.
And it likely WILL be. Common sense dictates you read the fine print if you find yourself and your "rights" being violated here. Don't like it? Don't attend the concert. We won't miss you. Refuse to play by the rules? The door swings both ways. Bye.
I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.
How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a concert without having to see or hear cell phone addicts all trying to capture their version of what should be an evening enjoyed by humans instead of machines? I'd say my basic right during those two hours trumps the shit out of yours. You pay for a ticket and attend a concert for YOU the human to see and hear the artist, not to record a damn documentary of your evening.
Needless to say, I've grown tired of this basic rights bullshit argument, especially when it mainly exists to feed people's narcissistic addictions to social media. And cell phones are not mandated by fire departments and emergency responders, so you can drop the bullshit 911 argument too.
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"And it likely WILL be"
Future tense?
The more I think about it, perhaps not. Likely weeks before the artist made this venue policy, lawyers were drafting the fine print. They are much more wise to any arguments by the average layman, and saw this shit coming a mile away.
"How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a con..."
Where do you get that he 's encroaching on your 'right'
I paid a considerable amount of money to enjoy a concert, not try and enjoy a performer while dozens of cell phone screens around me blink, beep, and flash photos and videos throughout the entire performance.
In this sense, you are correct. It's not a "right" per se for eith
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I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time.
Why? Because your hobby is frivolous lawsuits that you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning?
Their concert venue; their rules.
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Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and can't due to an locked bag. Also how far will the search for phones go? pad downs? strip search?
What can a call to 911 accomplish that flagging the venue security couldn't? If anything it would slow down response time since most big venues have onsite first responders who can help right away. As for how, maybe a little thing called a metal detector?