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Mobile G-SYNC Confirmed and Tested With Leaked Driver 42

jones_supa writes: A few weeks ago, an ASUS Nordic support representative inadvertently made available an interim build of the NVIDIA graphics driver. This was a mobile driver build (version 346.87) focused at ASUS G751 line of laptops. The driver was pulled shortly, but PC Perspective managed to get their hands on a copy of it, and installed it on a ASUS G751 review unit. To everyone's surprise, a 'G-SYNC display connected' system tray notification appeared. It turned out to actually be a functional NVIDIA G-SYNC setup on a laptop. PC Perspective found a 100Hz LCD panel inside, ran some tests, and also noted that G-SYNC is picky about the Tcon implementation of the LCD, which can lead to some glitches if not implemented minutely. NVIDIA confirmed that G-SYNC on mobile is coming in the near future, but the company wasn't able to yet discuss an official arrival date or technology specifics.
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Mobile G-SYNC Confirmed and Tested With Leaked Driver

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    A dubiously useful, expensive option marketed at people who are willing to pay through the nose to have their games run poorly on a laptop...

    Seems like the right audience to market it at to me.

  • Wut? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TechyImmigrant ( 175943 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @04:08AM (#48966841) Homepage Journal

    I'm trying to interpret the summary, but I cannot.

    They found a 100Hz LCD inside of what? A graphics card? A laptop? The driver?

    • Re:Wut? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @04:34AM (#48966895)

      The original story goes like this:

      1. Nvidia claims that it needs the expensive FPGA chip to make variable refresh rate on current range of monitors. Calls it G-sync, tech adds significant costs and nvidia takes additinal licensing fee from monitors that include the said FPGA board.
      2. AMD finds the adaptivesync spec in current VESA spec for embedded displayport used in laptops. Gets VESA to add it to upcoming displayport 1.2a spec for desktop. This does mostly the same thing without needed FPGA board or additional costly licencing fee. Monitors with adaptivesync and same specs end up about 100USD cheaper than monitors with G-sync and same specs.
      3. Nvidia openly states that it cannot make G-sync cards compatible with adaptivesync any time soon and that it will continue supporting G-sync. Many pundits wonder how long Nvidia could keep attempting this kind of vendor lock-in on monitors before ceding its position due to rather extreme price differential between G-sync and adaptivesync monitors.
      4. Laptops use eDP (embedded displayport) to connect monitor to GPU card which already has adaptivesync in the spec.
      5, Alpha driver for nvidia mobile GPU sufraces which is made to work with adaptivesync over eDP, which driver itself calls "G-sync".

      Conclusion - Nvidia lied about its adaptation of adaptivesync and it now appears extremely likely that nvidia will be using adaptivesync in its future products and just call it "G-sync mobile" or something similar.

      • On the plus side, with 'DisplayID' replacing legacy EDID, it should be possible to artificially disable this 'adaptive sync' on any monitor that doesn't have an Nvidia-signed 'G-Sync Supported!' flag purchased by the vendor and flashed into the firmware, thus allowing Nvidia to charge more without the need to include the FPGA!

        This clearly, um, incentivises innovation and, er, stuff. It's too bad, really. I could really use a GPU with better thermal efficiency; but Nvidia are being such a bunch of dicks t
        • On the plus side, with 'DisplayID' replacing legacy EDID,

          Well, that could be good, EDID is fucking awful, and has been a sticking point for Linux since forever. Is DisplayID also fucking awful?

      • by AllynM ( 600515 ) *

        1. The FPGA *was* required for the tech to work on the desktop panels it was installed in.
        2. FreeSync (as I've witnessed so far) as well as the most recent adaptive sync can not achieve the same result across as wide of a refresh rate range that G-Sync currently can.
        3. Nvidia could 'make it work', but it would not be the same experience as can be had with a G-Sync module, even with an adaptive sync panel (as evidenced by how this adaptive sync panel in this laptop intermittently blanks out at 30 FPS or when

        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          1. Actually the current claim is that FPGA is mostly for DRM, as it's basically a DRM wrapper around activesync, which is what G-sync appears to be. According to the guy behind this discovery at least.
          2. Factually incorrect. G-sync is in fact inferior to Adaptivesync in refresh rate range in the current implementation. G-sync range is 30-144Hz, where Adaptivesync can handle (depending on the scaler) 36-240Hz, 21-144Hz, 17-120Hz and 9-60Hz.
          Source: http://www.geforce.com/hardwar... [geforce.com]
          http://www.anandtech.com/sho [anandtech.com]

          • by AllynM ( 600515 ) *

            1. That is a false claim - Gamenab didn't even cite the correct FPGA model when he made that DRM claim.
            2. G-Sync is actually good down to 1 FPS - it adaptively inserts additional redraws in between frames at rates below 30, as to minimize the possibility of judder (incoming frame during an already started panel refresh pass). FreeSync (it its most recently demoed form) reverts back to the VSYNC setting at the low end. Further, you are basing the high end of G-Sync only on the currently released panels. Noth

  • I'm not sure why 'mobile G-sync' would be a surprise. While laptops are a bit more of a niche(for gaming purposes, they might well have pulled ahead of desktops as a whole by now), and laptop GPUs are less likely than desktop ones to achieve truly heroic framerates; they still share most of their design and drivers with desktop parts and laptops have the advantage of having tight control over the display being used. Your laptop OEM isn't going to want to go too custom, for cost reasons; but most laptop mode
  • by citizenr ( 871508 ) on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @04:14AM (#48966851) Homepage

    http://gamenab.net/2015/01/26/... [gamenab.net]

    Sure, its asus releasing the driver, suure

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Thanks, the link you provided is VERY interesting. Freesync on every Display Port 1.2 capable monitor? Wow... Just wow... I will try here and And hoping to work
    • by abies ( 607076 )

      Unfortunately, that site already got nvidiadotted....

    • Dammit. Although is indeed possible to enable gsync on the hardware described (asus laptop), the author of the site is a liar. The driver is not his work, is merely a file for a beta version of the nVidia driver inadvertently leaked as described in the article. MAY work with just the right desktop monitor (able to use eDP and Display Port 1.2a), but is not his work as he claims.
    • by AllynM ( 600515 ) *

      Gamenab stumbled across the leaked driver and tried to use it to spread a bunch of conspiracy theory FUD. I hope most people here can correctly apply Occam's razor as opposed to the alternative, which is that he supposedly designed those changes, those changes going into an internal driver build that was inadvertently leaked and happened to apply to the exact laptop he already owned.

      ExtremeTech picked apart his BS in more detail: http://www.extremetech.com/ext... [extremetech.com]

  • Is G-SYNC some new kind of graphics card heat sink that runs at 100Hz?

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