Lenovo Unveils Android ThinkPad and IdeaPad Slates 132
MojoKid writes "While many tablets are slimming down (and losing valuable ports), Lenovo's new ThinkPad Tablet is on the bulky side with the hope that business professionals appreciate it. The Tablet is a biz-oriented slate with a 10.1" panel, a Tegra 2 (1GHz) chip, and most importantly, a full-size USB port. Lenovo is also introducing a $99 Keyboard Folio case, which will wrap around the device to keep it safe, but also provides a full QWERTY keyboard and an optical trackpad. It features Android 3.1, access to Lenovo's app store, a 2MP front-facing camera, 1080p video output, Wi-Fi, 3G, 16/32/64GB of storage, and a 5MP rear camera. The company also introduced a consumer targeted slate called the IdeaPad K1, and it sports a 13.3mm thin form-factor that focuses on entertainment and consumption."
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It may power them for a while, but the power is coming from the unit's batteries. Just factor battery life in when you look at the choices.
Why not use a hardware scanner with an iPad (Score:2)
barcode reading on iPad and such devices are clumsy, not suitable for production.
I don't think you are going to be much happier with the built in cameras on the new device then...
The solution is to use a dedicated hardware reader, such as the Scanfob [serialio.com]. There may be others for the iPad as well, there are a number of choices for the iPhone that are integrated cases.
The iPad does offer a USB port dongle but like you say it can't really power devices.
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Read the link I posted to an external reader that is self powered...
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MORE BULK! (Score:4, Funny)
Lenovo's new ThinkPad Tablet is on the bulky side with the hope that business professionals appreciate it.
I think they will. I can't tell you how many professionals that have taken one look at my iPad, and said "nah, I could never use something like that. It's not bulky enough."
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Seriously? You thought I was being serious? PS: The iPad may be lightweight and thin, but it certainly is not of "poor quality construction".
The iPad lightweight? Maybe compared to this [oldcomputers.net]. I think it's quite heavy.
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Seriously? You thought I was being serious? PS: The iPad may be lightweight and thin, but it certainly is not of "poor quality construction".
The iPad lightweight? Maybe compared to this [oldcomputers.net]. I think it's quite heavy.
Which tablet did you recommend again? I didn't realize the iPad was such a bulky tablet.
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Hey, I actually have one of those Compaqs... It's not as heavy as those laptops they put desktop Pentium 4 chips in. ;)
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Even if he knew you were kidding, it's a valid opinion. Have you seen what your UPS delivery man carries around? I own an iPad (strictly to develop apps for it; my Xoom is much more capable for actual use), and I do indeed question its structural integrity, even if it isn't justified.
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Just like the iPhone 4 the iPad glass tends to shatter when dropped. I would not call it durable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBCpTRul5G0 [youtube.com]
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I forgot to mention that the ThinkPad tablet uses Corning Gorilla Glass, that stuff is hard to break when you're trying.
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Seriously? You thought I was being serious? PS: The iPad may be lightweight and thin, but it certainly is not of "poor quality construction".
Despite the fact you tried to make a joke, you did point out the truth. I know a company that put Ipads into cars in lieu of the semi-ruggedised laptops they were previously using, this lasted a month as the laptops had a life of about 18 months where as the Ipads had a life of about 2 weeks.
They spent over $80K AUD putting them in, then another $30K pulling them out and re-installing the laptops. At least they didn't listen to the idiot consultant when they told them to take out the standalone GPS units
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Pen input? (Score:4, Interesting)
Does it have a capacitive finger-friendly screen that can also do pressure sensitive (512+ levels) pen input for more accurate stylus use or sketching?
And "8 or so hours in ideal conditions" - man I hope that's not directly from the marketing department. If your marketing guys are hedging their words like that, they know damned well that it's going to go 3 hours under full use, and probably have everything turned of and in active sleep mode for 3 of the hours to get 8 hours of runtime.
I've said it before - it's going to come down to software support. The OS and drivers are going to have to handle stuff seamlessly. Apple gets away with is 'cause they offer so little functionality, there's little to break/go wrong. I want to see this work, but I'm sure as hell not going to by the first version.
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not sure about the pen but i do like this spec listing:
"Display: 10.1" HD Glare with integrated camera 1280x800"
"HD Glare" - finely someone accurately advertising glossy screens - that took long enough
They offer so little functionality? (Score:3)
Okay I'll bite on this because the way this is presented is a bit of a slanted statement. It's accurate, but disingenuous by what it implies. TCP/IP offers very little functionality, it only does one thing... and it does it really really well. Because it does it so well, it frees up developers to innovate on top of it. Therefore trying to say iOS offers little functionality distracts from the idea that despite this, it's doing very very well for businesses who want to easily expand on the product and pr
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No, the iPad really is very limited. I own one,and I like it, btw - but it's far, far more limiting that even the Acer laptop I bought for less money. Still, I have it because the form factor works very well for a limited set of things I do. In fact, I like it so much, that I would need something significantly more compelling to switch to another device. Pen and pressure sensitivity is one area where the iPad does not meet my needs in certain functional areas of my work (and play, for that matter). I'm no
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iPad2 also suffers huge battery life loss when playing games(a.k.a "under full use"). Those 10 hours are based on video playing at 65% of the screen brightness with WiFi on.
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On their website they rather say "8 hours with WiFi on", which is not what marketspeak usually means by "ideal conditions". In practice, as far as hardware goes, this looks exactly the same as all other Honeycomb tablets already on the market - and they regularly get 8 hours of battery time with normal use, so this one should, as well.
cost (Score:1)
Why Android tablets cost twice as much as a netbooks running Win7?
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Well for one thing this tablet has an active digitizer built in. The display is also an IPS panel.
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Why Android tablets cost twice as much as a netbooks running Win7?
It's a price you pay to *not* have to run Win7.
Also has SD card slot (Score:2)
This tablet also has an SD card slot for storage.
I don't understand why publications are so focused on presenting the varying built-in storage options but not even mentioning whether a memory card slot of some type is present. I'd much rather know if the device has cheap expandable storage than know how much the company is going to overcharge me for the largest built-in storage option.
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Because to most consumers it's not as the importance as nerds place on it? If SD slots were so important the Xoom would have outsold the iPad yet it was a complete flop and no one cared.
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Because to most consumers it's not as the importance as nerds place on it?
If that's true, that's only because they don't know what it is.
Most people, if told they they could get the 16GB tablet now and add another 16GB later if they need it, would consider that a nice feature that makes it so they don't have to spend the extra $100 on the 32GB tablet "just in case".
Clearly it's not important enough for the average consumer to buy one tablet over another based solely on this feature, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great feature (or, more realistically, a horrible omission by the
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Because most of the time the external slot is difficult to use. Apps generally don't run from external cards, meaning you have to swap things back and forth. About the only thing you can usably keep on them is pictures and movies.
External slots are a way to get production costs down, since no-one can command the bulk rates that Apple does on flash memory to embed in the devices.
Available Q3 2011? (Score:2)
Why wait? Just today, I finally broke down and joined the tablet craze by ordering an Acer Iconia 32GB tablet. Nvidia Tegra 2 1GHz dual-core processor, 1GB DDR2 RAM, 32GB flash storage, USB, HDMI, micro-SD slot, bluetooth, WiFi, 1280x800 10.1" display, Capacitive Ten-point Touchscreen, 2MP front camera, 5MP rear camera with flash Android Honeycomb.
BONUS? Available now for $450
Better late than never? Not so sure in this case. Lenovo has a lot of catching up to do to play in the same market as Asus, Motorol
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All Honeycomb tablets have pretty much the same hardware specs. What differentiates is the form factor and, occasionally, bundled software.
In this particular case - does Aces have the nifty keyboard with optical trackball? pressure-sensitive stylus?
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No. But you can get a "nifty" bluetooth keyboard, docking station and protective cover that doubles as a stand.
Can you have a cover which has a built-in keyboard, or at least some convenient way to strap this in? This thing, much like Transformer, is an integrated solution - the cover encloses both the tablet and the keyboard, and provides for a convenient angle when they are connected. You don't have several disjoint pieces to lug around.
It's a touchscreen, why would you need a trackball for navigation?
For all the fuss about touch UI, there are still many applications where a mouse or similar (precise) pointing device is far more efficient. The most obvious example is text editin
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Why wait? Just today, I finally broke down and joined the tablet craze by ordering an Acer Iconia 32GB tablet. Nvidia Tegra 2 1GHz dual-core processor, 1GB DDR2 RAM, 32GB flash storage, USB, HDMI, micro-SD slot, bluetooth, WiFi, 1280x800 10.1" display, Capacitive Ten-point Touchscreen, 2MP front camera, 5MP rear camera with flash Android Honeycomb.
BONUS? Available now for $450
Better late than never? Not so sure in this case. Lenovo has a lot of catching up to do to play in the same market as Asus, Motorola, Acer ...
The Iconia is a good tablet. I bought the 16GB version on sale for A$421 (yeah, we get shafted on price over here) and the only thing I've found wrong with it is the lack of 3G (but I accepted that when I bought it).
Despite being made by Acer, it's actually well built.
Also, $150 less then the cheapest Ipad (A$580)
Docking port (Score:2)
So, Apple has a standard docking port for iPads. I hope the Android world can converge on a standard docking port as well.
Clearly the ThinkPad Tablet must have some sort of docking port, since TFA mentions a clamshell keyboard case that docks with it. Does anyone know what this is?
I have read that the Samsung Galaxy Tab uses PDMI [wikipedia.org] for its docking port; can anyone confirm that?
I don't really care what the standard is; I just hope there will be one.
P.S. The worst thing about the Motorola Xoom is the lack of
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Clearly the ThinkPad Tablet must have some sort of docking port, since TFA mentions a clamshell keyboard case that docks with it. Does anyone know what this is?
I believe the full-size USB port IS the docking port for the keyboard folio case.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/20/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-and-keyboard-folio-case-hands-on-video [engadget.com]
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The keyboard itself "docks" via their full-size USB slot. However, they also have a "proprietary" (guy says just that in the video) docking connector on the other side, for when it's docked in portrait on their special charging dock.
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They have, I beleive its called USB.
Handles (Score:2)
Why dont any of these tablets have handles? Seriously... I have a tablet and would just love something on the back or side to attached something a bit more grippy than flat smooth plastic. I've already lost one due to a slippery dry hand on a cool day.
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Asus Transformer has checkered plastic background which is pretty nice to grip (though it's still plastic).
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thats the job of a case.
Think Pad boringness is a good thing. (Score:2)
The think pad has the same style for about 20 years now. Yes there were tweaks here and there slimmer lighter... But still the black dull matted plastic shape. I am happy the Lenovo Tablet follows that design.
Businesses don't want noticly fancy they want the borring drab color system so they can look really good with it.
ThinkPad Tablet Unboxed (Score:2)
Lenovo has posted an excellent video showing off this tablet on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXFexk6k39M [youtube.com]
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$500 sounds like a low end laptop. I bought myself Clevo laptop last year that cost $3000 because I was traveling a lot. But it's freaking awesome and is still working great. However, it was 17.1" and obviously a bit too large to use comfortably on flights. I could easily think about getting ThinkPad Tablet for those flights and also to use comfortably from bed and sofa. I was already thinking about getting iPad, but this really looks better and more business oriented too.
So, you bought an expensive $3000 laptop just last year and are glad it is "still working great"?! Talk about lowered expectations.
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$500 sounds like a low end laptop. I bought myself Clevo laptop last year that cost $3000 because I was traveling a lot. But it's freaking awesome and is still working great. However, it was 17.1" and obviously a bit too large to use comfortably on flights. I could easily think about getting ThinkPad Tablet for those flights and also to use comfortably from bed and sofa. I was already thinking about getting iPad, but this really looks better and more business oriented too.
So, you bought an expensive $3000 laptop just last year and are glad it is "still working great"?! Talk about lowered expectations.
I bought a relatively expensive laptop almost 8 years ago, and it's still working great, too! I regard this as good value...
It has a gorgeous 17" 1920x1200 screen (not that shortscreen 1920x1080 that infests the market nowadays) with every pixel still working. Running Lubuntu with compiz goodness and adequate performance/speed, despite its lowly specs: 1.6GHz Celeron, maxed out with 1GB RAM, ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics. Still using its original battery which gives about 2 hours with fairly bright s
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This is DDR-1 SO-DIMM right? Many of the laptops of this generation state in their specs that their maximum amount of RAM is 1GB (being 2x512MB) As a matter of fact, it seems that these usually do support two modules of 1GB. I have tested this personally in two cases: a Compaq N800c and a Packard Bell E1 245. Both specced max 1GB, both work perfectly fine with 2GB.
Just saying, in case it would be useful.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I have tried, and it seems that Sony only provided enough address lines for 1GB in this model. It has two RAM slots (one is a real bugger to access, 40+ screws and some delicate manipulation of clips and suchlike), and works fine with 2x512MB or 1x1024MB RAM module, but with 2x1024MB modules it gives a RAM error on boot. I went back to the original 2x512 RAM modules, and returned the 1024MB modules to the shop.
Interestingly, the laptop's standard RAM was 512MB (2x256MB), an
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Have you tried with 1x512MB and 1x1GB? That might just work.
Alas, it was the first one I tried - 1GB in the easily accessible slot, and 512MB in the other slot. Of course it gave a boot error, and I went through the rigmarole of accessing the other slot (under keyboard which must be completely removed and then under two other daughterboards which must also be removed???), and discovering that 2 identical 1GB modules (which each work fine alone) also results in a boot error. My suspicion is that Sony did not build the extra address line into some connector or perhap
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At that price, why wouldnt i just buy the thinkpad edge or something? looks to be about the same size + weight. or that low end X series?
Er, because the are two completely different things? A laptop does not deliver the experience a tablet does and vice versa. How many laptops weigh less than a pound and a half yet deliver 10 hours of battery life? How many laptops for 500 dollars have capacitive multi-touch screens? How many laptops at that price have zero moving parts to break? How many laptops are an "always on" device that will continue to get your email and notifications and perform tasks even when the unit is on "standby"? Tablet
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How many laptops weigh less than a pound and a half yet deliver 10 hours of battery life? How many laptops for 500 dollars have capacitive multi-touch screens? How many laptops at that price have zero moving parts to break? How many laptops are an "always on" device that will continue to get your email and notifications and perform tasks even when the unit is on "standby"? Tablets in this class have built-in accelerometers and GPS, front and rear cameras, etc. And on and on.
Man, that sounds awesome! Can I get one with a keyboard?
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This tablet weighs 4.5lb.
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This tablet weighs 4.5lb.
Are you trolling?
There are, of course, differences. The ThinkPad Tablet is clearly targeted at a business audience. So where the IdeaPad is all smooth lines and curves, the 1.57-pound, 14mm-deep ThinkPad Tablet is all black and features squared off corners and more visible buttons.
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Didn't they drop the x120?
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This tablet is not x86, it is powered by a Tegra 2 ARM CPU.
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my motorola xoom uses the same tegra 2 chip (tegras are dual-core ARM chips + GPU) and it gets 10 hours of video playback using _software_ codec. using optimized video files than play using hardware acceleration, i get 12 hours out of it. web browsing, i can get a comfy 12 hours too.
using sparingly, i got a whole weekend visiting my mother and still had some 10% of the charge when i got home.
tablets are great on the battery side. i don't know how much one can get from an ipad2, but being apple, the number m
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My latest Thinkpad has 9 hours of battery with the standard battery, 12 hours with the travel pack. The lastest Thinkpad Edge E420 has 7 hours on the built-in battery (not expandable).
So: No, not 8 hours, only 7.
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Dongle Dongle Dongle. Now with the new Mac Mini, the CD drive has turned into just another dongle you need to buy. In the future, all Apple products will have exactly one (proprietary) port. Of course you can add any functionality you want, just buy the dongle (at $39.99 a pop)! Want an ethernet port? Dongle! USB? Dongle! Collect them all! Trade them with your friends! Is there anyone who sells Apple dongle cases yet? I might want to patent that idea.
At any rate... how exactly do you use HDMI out and USB at
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I haven't used the optical drives in my MBP and Mini in years. I have used a FireWire external optical, since it's far faster and more reliable than either of the ones in the computers I hook it up to.
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I replaced the optical drive in my ThinkPad T510 with a ultrabay caddy that holds the stock hard drive. The stock hard drive was swapped out with an SSD. I like that the ultrabay is hot-swappable for the times I may want to burn a disc too. In the next few years we'll probably see the optical drive start to go the way of the floppy, Software will probably become a download only sort of thing, Apple is already doing this with the new version of their OS.
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Gotta buy 'em all, gotta buy 'em AAAALLLLL! DongleMon!
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Even if Thunderbolt comes to the iPad (which I highly doubt) you will still have to buy a $50 cable for each device.
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Wrong (Score:2)
I'm sure they check for Apple's approved chip/license key before talking to an accessory just like they do for iPhone and iPad 1.
The iPad can use any USB keyboard over the USB port, not just apple branded ones.
There's no reason to expect that any Thunderbolt device connected to an iPad that supported Thunderbolt would not be treated the same... especially displays.
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And by "one (proprietary) port," you mean "an industry-standard Thunderbolt / LightPeak port, which will be used to daisy-chain all the peripherals which you can't connect wirelessly," right?
By industry-standard, I assume that you mean "Apple industry standard!" Firewire 800 was good example of that: It was neat, worked well, and no one except Apple really adopted it. This limited its usefulness in contrast to the actual industry standard that was USB. Hopefully Thunderbolt is more readily adopted, but companies are already complaining about the price associated with the connector (much like they did with Firewire).
Because when you predict that in the future, technology will function exactly the same as it does today, you look kind of retarded.
There is no doubt that there have been many connector-based improvements hav
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And cables that used to cost $10 are now $50-$100.
If you cannot find DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort cables for under $10 you're buying them from the wrong places.
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The advantages are:
USB port without needing to worry about a dongle (losing it, forgetting it, carrying it around)
HDMI out without a proprietary cord/dongle
Higher resolution camera
Android (a back button!, I don't know how you live without a back button).
I don't see it anywhere, but the USB port also might be able to power devices, which would *greatly* increase ease of use and potential use cases.
You also can't judge the trackpad until you know what it does. ThinkPad users are often considered strange for f
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Yes, instead of getting 5 hours of battery life, your new accessories can activate the Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet's "paperweight mode" in half the time! That's a tremendous speed increase!
A USB port powering external devices means that those devices are draining your Tablet's battery that much faster. I don't see that being a very compelling use case.
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Wow. Your vision is incredible. Is getting anything less than 100% battery life a deal-breaker for you? Maybe there are people who do consider it a compelling use case. I can think of a whole bunch of powered devices that would use a very small amount of electricity compared to what the tablet is using. I'm willing to bet that there are even use cases where it'd be worth it to cut battery time in half.
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"Optimal" conditions: 8 hours of battery life. This means it realistically can be expected to get 4-6 hours of "real-world" usage. Plug in a couple of peripherals and reduce your charge time to 2-3 hours of actual use - far short of the length of a typical workday.
This is targeted at "professional" and "workplace" usage. If the point is mobility, why would you consider being tethered to a charger every couple hours a value-add? Do you think any user is going to consider it a good thing that they have t
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You are making a lot of assumptions there.
One, you assume that there are no use cases that don't cut battery life in half (since this is the basis of your argument, you shouldn't give "worst case" scenarios).
Two, you assume that it needs to last (in use) for an entire work day. I don't think I need to explain why this is a bad assumption. Maybe someone just needs to around with a USB barcode scanner taking inventory. I worked at a place that did this (though they used a laptop with a USB barcode scanner. An
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The specs on Lenovo.com say 8 hours of battery while on wifi.
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Don't know about US equivalents (domestic air flights I guess) but in the UK internal business travel is often by first class rail - with power sockets. That means in a UK business-meeting type day you might spend 3hrs on trains with sockets, 4 hours in offices with sockets and 3hrs in various in between places (taxis, waitng rooms, lobbies) on battery power. In this sort of setup, battery life is much less important than (if you really need to) being able to power/charge a useful peripheral.
And of course i
The infinite Reverse (Score:2)
Android (a back button!, I don't know how you live without a back button).
I do not live without a back button. I live with a device where the back button is placed where it makes sense, an infinite capacity to place them in the best location.
Now if we were talking about phones, you could possibly argue that a whole button consuming real estate makes some sense because at least it's located in a single place. But on a tablet that you can rotate, the whole physical button thing breaks down utterly. It's a
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Does the USB-port dongle for the iPad even allow most USB devices? The one for the iPhone only allowed very specific protocols, and specifically NOT generic file transfers, the most common use of high speed USB.
Re:So what does it offer over an iPad? (Score:4, Insightful)
So what is going to be the draw? Especially for a business, where the third party aftermarket is much more extensive for the iPad?
Ummm. It's not from Apple. That's enough for many...
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Get rid of the /s and you are absolutely right. I don't understand why people ask "I don't see any advantages, so why not just get apple?" Well, what advantages does the iPad have? Not many. And he's wrong about there not being distinct differences ("advantages" to many people) with this tablet. Android is one of them. Dedicated ports without requiring dongles is another. Pressure sensitive stylus is another. Perhaps there are even people who dislike Apple's aluminum obsession.
A serious question (Score:2)
I don't understand why people ask "I don't see any advantages, so why not just get apple?"
That is not AT ALL what I asked. I asked the question every tablet designer should be asking themselves from the start "What are the reasons I would get this instead of an iPad?". I am pointing out the features highlighted in the article, and saying they do not appear to be enough because the iPad already has them - they are not things making the device unique enough to gain traction in the market.
Because its not an iPad? (Score:2)
Don't underestimate nerd rage ain't going buy anything from Apple types. Believe me, they are everywhere. Not quite as numerous as the gottagetitnowiGeneration
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Lenovo is also filtering out all the junk apps in their App Shop, I'm hoping that will mean easier access to quality apps. You'll still be able to use the Google Market too. Lenovo is trying to make this a serious business tool, unlike the shiny toy that the iPad is.
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The odd part is that the iPads are all unlocked, and the Android tablets aren't.
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The iPad2 already has:
USB port (via dongle)
HDMI out
A number of third party cases with integrated keyboards
Rear and front camera (admittedly slightly lower in resolution)
better battery life under REAL conditions (this states eight under "ideal").
The iPad is far lighter too. And the idea of including an optical trackpad so you can "move around the device" is NUTS on a touchscreen system.
So what is going to be the draw? Especially for a business, where the third party aftermarket is much more extensive for the iPad?
The SD card slot is pretty serious draw.
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The SD card is encrypted too.
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For consumer use, the iPad can also read SD cards with a plugin reader (actually a few, Apple makes one but so do other companies).
Do you really want a dongle flopping around while you are walking around with your device in your hand?
However for business use, why would they want something like an SD card so easily lost/stolen to begin with?
How easy is it to lose something that is inside the device? This tablet also encrypts the SD card, so theft is not an issue. If you look at the specs on Lenovo's site you will also see that it comes with Computrace for free.
The Point? (Score:1)
Do you really want a dongle flopping around while you are walking around with your device in your hand?
No, that's why I mentioned that specifically for consumer use (to read camera cards).
How easy is it to lose something that is inside the device? This tablet also encrypts the SD card, so theft is not an issue.
Think about what you are saying for a second. It's easy to remove, right? So why would someone not simply walk off with it - not for theft, but just to use it?
Which brings me back to my main point
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WHY? When you already have 64Gb of storage
Where can I get this tablet you speak of with 64GB of storage for the price of this Lenovo ThinkPad?
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better battery life under REAL conditions (this states eight under "ideal").
FWIW, their "ideal" conditions explicitly include "WiFi on". And so far all Honeycomb tablets have offered ~8hrs of regular use in practice (generally speaking, you get 1 less hour than iPad for the same tasks), so there's no reason to believe that it's not the case here.
The iPad is far lighter too. And the idea of including an optical trackpad so you can "move around the device" is NUTS on a touchscreen system.
Not at all. There are many things that are far more convenient with a mouse - document editing, for example (think selection... the one that is in iPad drives me nuts when any precision is needed), or when using remote connectivity - RDP, V
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We've almost come full circle back to...*drumroll*...convertible laptops!
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Does that netbook have GPS, 3G, IPS display, active digitizer, accelerometer and both front and rear camera's? Didn't think so. It also comes with Computrace for free and it looks like it comes with free accidental damage protection. I'd say it is a pretty good value considering what all you get.