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How Walking With Smartphones May Have Changed Pedestrian Etiquette 290

An anonymous reader writes The phenomenon of 'distracted walking' — pedestrians who walk while using smartphones — has raised civic attention in the last few years, with Utah issuing fines and cities in China creating dedicated 'smartphone lanes' for walkers who need to keep up with Whatsapp on the move. This article argues that smartphone users have become so accustomed to other people getting out of their way that they will no longer negotiate for sidewalk space even when not using their phones.
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How Walking With Smartphones May Have Changed Pedestrian Etiquette

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  • Take your space (Score:5, Informative)

    by ADRA ( 37398 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @01:53PM (#49106485)

    Too many people period are idiots about not negotiating equitable space that I just bowl them down. I'm taller and large bigger than most, so if I think they're being oblivious or careless, down they go! Being a dick about sharing a laneway is a dick move and the only ONLY way to punish it is to not yield.

    If you wanted to be an uber dick, you'd pick up their phone and throw it away, but that's too much for me =) Oh, that goes double for movie theatre texters! Die in a pit of hell assholes!

    • Re:Take your space (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TWX ( 665546 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:05PM (#49106547)
      When my wife and I were fairly new as a couple she would get annoyed when I would precede her through crowds. What she came to realize though, was that since my work takes me into secondary schools and I have to navigate halls between periods, I've had to become a master of the Morpheus Walk, referring to the scene in The Matrix where Fishburne's character is teaching Neo of the risks of agents in the Matrix, and the crowd parts for him while Reeves' character is colliding with all of the simulated people. I'm also fairly tall, and I'm able to put on a demeanor that usually gets people to move out of my way.

      Once she saw how much easier it is to navigate a crowd that way she has been a lot happier in crowded situations to let me go first. If she sticks close behind then she can follow easily and we end up where we want to faster.
      • Re:Take your space (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:25PM (#49106681)

        I am with you on this. If you have a place to go, walk with determination. Don't look like you are in a hurry, just go. If you are just aimlessly wandering around, pretend you are trying to get somewhere. Obviously I am not being a dick and running people over.

        Being over six feet tall does help, but anyone of any size or gender can do it. Works great at concerts too.

        Though sometimes the lady in red grabs my attention and I walk face first into an agent... doh!

        • Re:Take your space (Score:4, Insightful)

          by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Sunday February 22, 2015 @07:58PM (#49108179) Homepage Journal

          I am with you on this. If you have a place to go, walk with determination. Don't look like you are in a hurry, just go.

          You left out the most important part: Don't look at anyone. You must look through them, as if they were below your notice entirely. Once you appear not just to have someplace to go but also to be completely oblivious of anyone in your path, that is when they tend to move out of your way of their own accord.

          It doesn't hurt that I'm over two meters and twenty stone, of course. If you're small, prepare to be ignored even harder.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:26PM (#49106689)

        But the female place is behind the male (except for the minefields etc) - everybody knows that, so why was she upset?

      • by antdude ( 79039 )

        What about the lady in the red you were distracted with? ;)

    • I found what you wrote to be Bitter Sweet. [youtube.com]

    • by retech ( 1228598 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:28PM (#49106699)
      Amen! I do the same thing. At nearly 6' 6" I just act like a wall and let them hit me. Then enjoy the squirming as they look up and try to apologize out of it. It's a good moment to let them know what rude asshats they are for not paying attention.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) *

        That's fine with people on their phones, but it's people on mobility scooters who are the real menace. You can't just stand your ground, those things will injure you. Anyone can buy one with no training or test to see if they are fit to operate the damn thing.

        • That's fine with people on their phones, but it's people on mobility scooters who are the real menace. You can't just stand your ground, those things will injure you.

          That's why you need to always wear a cape. ÂToro!

    • by gatkinso ( 15975 )

      Come to Baltimore and try that.

    • I just bowl them down. I'm taller and large bigger than most, so if I think they're being oblivious or careless, down they go!

      OK, so might makes right.

      • by chihowa ( 366380 )

        I assume he's talking about people who are taking up more than a fair share of the space to walk (ie negotiating equitable space). Situations like people walking down the center of a busy sidewalk so that everybody else has to step aside or bump into them or people walking two or three abreast and taking up the whole sidewalk. They're either oblivious or abusing people's desire to avoid confrontation.

        His approach is similar to what I've noticed, too. If people are occupying so much of the sidewalk that you

        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Nothing pisses off a 3-wide group of assholes more than walking towards them, not dashing to the side, then stopping as you get close, so that they have to consciously split to get past. If you keep walking into them, they think you are the asshole. If you stop and make them think about themselves, then they get it.
      • He didn't say that. He said might makes win.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        Two people refuse to yield, and collide, and you are blaming him why?
    • I mostly agree. I refuse to negotiate over the last bit of the sidewalk on the right-hand side. If forced, I will simply stop and they can run into me, or go around. It is rare, maybe 1 in 250 people I pass, I have to stop. Maybe 1 in 50 waits until they're inside 5' before moving over. The vast majority identify that I'm in the correct lane, and move over. There is no need for negotiation unless you're doing it wrong.

    • Knock down a homie and you could visit the morgue.

  • by technical_maven ( 2756487 ) <tom@tg[ ]rg ['t.o' in gap]> on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:06PM (#49106553)
    I love walking in to people like that on purpose and then saying, "Oh... Sorry..." I secretly hope they drop their damn phone!
  • by niftymitch ( 1625721 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:31PM (#49106711)

    One very real issue is where someone grew up
    and learned the rules of the road. Phones and distracted
    walking make it all worse.

    There are nations with left hand and right hand auto driving.
    Pedestrian bias is shaped by these early days and parents.

    Many communities now have a large enough community of newcomers
    that these habits collide on the sidewalk. Mericans in Stralia, Brits
    in France, .... India, Japan, Indonesia,,.... all nations now have a large enough
    influx of newcomers that this is important.

    I first encountered this at airports. Then the powered walkways seemed
    to make it go away but.. no it is still there....

    Worse or perhaps more importantly Mericans have highly controlled cross walks
    for K-12 students. Students do not learn to look all ways for traffic. They simply
    step out -- many will wait for a light but many not. No officer blows a whistle and
    hollers get yer butt off the road. No one hollers get a move on you are blocking
    traffic. Entitlement like turtles goes all the way down...

    Universities have always had pedestrian accidents as egg heads oblivious to the world forget that
    they have left the safe roads of the school and stepped into townie roads. This and the
    localized communities of H1B visa holder make this obvious in some parts of the US.
    Other nations have the same problems with clusters of expats.

    • There are nations with left hand and right hand auto driving.

      Yep we drive on the left in Oz, the first time I went to Europe I wondered why I was having so much trouble walking around the shopping mall.

  • Apparently the issue depends on where you live, because while I used to see such wankers in Regina, Saskatchewan, I've never had the problem in the smaller community of Yorkton. Not only will people both walk through the snowbank on the side of the tromped-down path here, they'll actually say "Hi" to you while you're passing them.

  • New App! (Score:4, Funny)

    by retech ( 1228598 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:33PM (#49106733)
    Time to make an app that warns people when they're about to collide.
  • Last week ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Martin S. ( 98249 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @02:43PM (#49106791) Journal

    Last week when I was driving to work as was approaching a traffic light that turned from red to green as I approached. I noticed a youth crossing the other side, head phones in and face down in his phone, slowed down in anticipation of him walking out in front of me. He did, I braked and blew my horn in warning and stopped and stepped backwards onto the central refuge and launched into a tirade of abuse and offensive gestures. Despite the fact I'd just saved him from serious injury at minimum as a result of his own stupidity.

    You just cannot help some people.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by redelm ( 54142 )

      You might be right or you might be wrong: Most places, traffic entering an intersection on the green must yield to traffic already in the intersection. That would include yielding to a pedestrian who got half-way across unless the crosswalk was clearly two-phases (London), usually with railings.

      Of course smart pedestrians expect aggressive drivers. And smart drivers know better than to blow through fresh greens.

      • Re:Last week ... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 22, 2015 @04:19PM (#49107307)

        I am not the gpp you responded to...

        I am a native Californian who was taught both that pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks and that it would be shameful to walk out into one against the lights, including entering with the flashing don't walk sign that is equivalent to a yellow light for drivers. People who crossed randomly in mid-block would be ticketed for jay-walking if observed by a cop, and found at fault if they were run down by a car. As a bicyclist I was taught that I should ride in the roadway and follow vehicle rules including direction of travel, signaling turns, and observing traffic control signals and right-of-way rules.

        Continuing to live in California now in my forties, I observe so much behavior that is counter to what I was taught and obeyed. I don't know if it is all immigration with newcomers having learned different rules. Or, it might just be a general erosion of a sense of civic responsibility. Or I might just be turning into a cranky old man who complains about kids these days.

        I frequently bicycle to work using a circuitous route that links scenic paths and bike lanes to minimize my time sharing lanes with cars. I have seen more close calls in the past few years than I saw in my entire life before, with cars clearly running red lights, overtaking and swerving across bike lanes with no concern for cyclists occupying the lane, etc. I have also seen so many cyclists and pedestrians doing equivalently careless things like crossing against lights, ignoring direction of travel rules, and mindlessly entering and leaving the roadway without looking.

        • Re:Last week ... (Score:4, Informative)

          by dj245 ( 732906 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @07:47PM (#49108143)

          I am not the gpp you responded to...

          I am a native Californian who was taught both that pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks and that it would be shameful to walk out into one against the lights, including entering with the flashing don't walk sign that is equivalent to a yellow light for drivers. People who crossed randomly in mid-block would be ticketed for jay-walking if observed by a cop, and found at fault if they were run down by a car. As a bicyclist I was taught that I should ride in the roadway and follow vehicle rules including direction of travel, signaling turns, and observing traffic control signals and right-of-way rules.

          Continuing to live in California now in my forties, I observe so much behavior that is counter to what I was taught and obeyed. I don't know if it is all immigration with newcomers having learned different rules. Or, it might just be a general erosion of a sense of civic responsibility. Or I might just be turning into a cranky old man who complains about kids these days.

          I frequently bicycle to work using a circuitous route that links scenic paths and bike lanes to minimize my time sharing lanes with cars. I have seen more close calls in the past few years than I saw in my entire life before, with cars clearly running red lights, overtaking and swerving across bike lanes with no concern for cyclists occupying the lane, etc. I have also seen so many cyclists and pedestrians doing equivalently careless things like crossing against lights, ignoring direction of travel rules, and mindlessly entering and leaving the roadway without looking.

          Police used to issue tickets for these things. But sitting in a speed trap maximizes more revenue. I have never heard of anyone in my lifetime (30 years) getting a ticket for actual unsafe driving, despite seeing it every day. Everyone I know has gotten a speeding ticket however.

        • I don't know if it is all immigration with newcomers having learned different rules. Or, it might just be a general erosion of a sense of civic responsibility.

          It's that one. I notice that most of the fatality accidents, especially the ones where a person runs over a whole bunch of people, tend to involve old men or young girls. Whereas most of the ones where everyone in the car dies involve young men. None of these are groups which tend to value others highly. (Hey, let's face it, most of the people really shitting up the planet are old wrinkly white men)

      • Yeah, here we have both rules, if there was a cop there who cared about giving out tickets, they'd both get tickets, and the driver would be paying more. :)

        Some places the details are hyper-technical, too; if you're required to yield to the person already there, there is no emergency, and there is no cause for the horn. This is true even if he was in violation of the crosswalk rules. And if he was scared back onto the island by the actions, that could actually be "criminal mischief," which often includes an

  • The top half of it is static info that not only doesn't interest me, it doesn't change nor scroll. The scrollable article is on the bottom half. I assume it was the whole article, I scrolled a bit, saw the top wasn't gonna move, and left.
    • Did you try moving your mouse down 3 inches? As soon as you're off the collapsible part, it *gasp* collapses back out of the way!

  • by n3r0.m4dski11z ( 447312 ) on Sunday February 22, 2015 @10:03PM (#49108799) Homepage Journal

    All these replies, and not one person has said that they would stop.

    I always stop if someones coming at me with a phone. 9 times out of 10, for whatever reason, they process a static object in-front of them differently and look up before collision. Most likely also apologizing to me at the same time.

    If 2 walkers collide, it could be said that they were both negligent. If someone walks into you though, they look like a complete dumbass and cannot possibly blame you (after all you are simply standing there, already staring at them angrily)

  • by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Monday February 23, 2015 @08:44AM (#49110849)

    Germans are sort of polite, but they have some anoyingly stupid habits that I've only seen here:

    1.) When a train stops, those wanting to get on will group around the doors and give those wanting to get of a hard time in doing so. It's a site like from a Monty Python sketch. Like sheep you often have to shove them aside. I've resolved to boldly stepping straight out and onto the feet of anybody standing smack in the middle of the way and making loud suggestions on how to organise things so the people getting off can do so quickly for the benefit of all.

    2.) Blocking the left side of escalators. Really annoying! I recently was to belgium and was astonished how orderly people standing on an escalator would move to the right side, so that people could walk on the left side. I was so astonished I pulled out my camera and took a series of pictures of this "phenomenon". ... Not so in Germany. Regularly people will stop and stand wherever they like to, no matter if they're blocking the way or not. I've resolved to the habit of just about stepping on peoples heels and breathing into their ear if they're unneccessarily blocking the way. Stupid remarks are riposted with witty "... or you could just stand on the right side just like everybody else in every other country on the planet." ... Usually shuts them up. I've actually seen people embarassed because of this. Good.

    3.) As for people mindlessly tumbling about with their smartphones and earplugs: That annoys me greatly, especially in public spaces that are crowded and where you have to expect frequent social interaction, like on a crowded trainstation during rush-hour. ... Take out your f*cking earplugs and put them in when you've found your place on the train, for goodness sake! Nowadays, whenever I try to address someone and he doesn't listen because of earplugs and/or audio cranked up to max, I usually just push or pull them aside gently. Some are so zoned out they're actually OK with that. ... Guess electronic escapisim is shaping our social interaction in that way too.

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