Jolla's First Phone Goes On Sale 307
jones_supa writes "Jolla, the mobile phone company formed by ex-Nokia employees, has officially launched its first phone. It will be initially available in Finland, paired with the local telecom operator DNA. After that, it will be made available in 135 other countries. The Jolla handset runs the Sailfish OS, which is itself based on the former MeeGo platform developed by Nokia and Intel several years ago to produce Linux-based smartphone software. Sailfish can run Android apps and it also integrates Nokia's Here mapping and positioning technology. Looking at the hardware, the device sports a 1.4GHz dual-core Qualcomm processor, 1GB memory and 16GB of flash storage, plus a 4.5in 960x540 IPS touchscreen with Gorilla 2 Glass. It has the usual mobile network support, including GSM/3G/4G, 802.11b/g/n WiFi and Bluetooth, 8MP autofocus rear camera and 2MP front camera. SIM-free pricing is expected to be €399."
Paired with.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Paired with here means that the phones are sold by the telecom operator in their stores(first the pre-orders are fullfilled), but there are no requirements for contracts and no sim-locking.
The online shop is Jollas own. I just paid for my pre-order phone through their website.
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No offense intended... but either you're bonkers, or I'm missing something here....
Looking at the hardware, the device sports a 1.4GHz dual-core Qualcomm processor, 1GB memory and 16GB of flash storage, plus a 4.5in 960x540 IPS touchscreen with Gorilla 2 Glass. It has the usual mobile network support, including GSM/3G/4G, 802.11b/g/n WiFi and Bluetooth, 8MP autofocus rear camera and 2MP front camera. SIM-free pricing is expected to be €399.
On reading this, from TFS, my immediate reaction was "so, basically like the HTC Desire 601 I have, only for about $200 more than I paid"... sure, the Desire only has a 5MP rear camera, but otherwise on paper appears to be almost identical in every way.
While I appreciate that these folks are trying to do something important, and I do think that having a viable alternative to IOS and Android is a good thing, I honestly don't s
Re:Paired with.... (Score:4, Insightful)
It isn't android, that's the whole point.
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This proposes to fill that niche of an updatable phone so that you don't want a new phone every two years.
But do you need a device more updateable than the average Android phone? Given your comment about usage of the N900 I would say the answer is probably 'no', and if OEMs get on board why would you expect the update schedule for Sailfish to be any different?
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But the average Android phone is NOT upgradeable and eventually gets locked out of the newer apps.
Is that really the average though?
Given your comment about the N900, does that even matter?
Why would it be any different with Sailfish than Android?
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All those android phones that need to be cracked just to install some apps and are fixed on a specific version (sometimes quite an old one on a new phone) do not have such flexibility. Personally I think that limits
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All those android phones that need to be cracked just to install some apps
I don't see too many of them. Samsung and HTC have vowed to keep the bootloaders open, since 2-3 years. They have been true to it. Sony have an application downloadable from their own website to open bootloaders of their phones, the application works for most of Sony phones (though not all).
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Try reading what is above again. There is a major difference between an example and "evangelizing". Also there have been
Re:Paired with.... (Score:5, Informative)
By charging a price that covers their cost; what's so mysterious?
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By charging a price that covers their cost; what's so mysterious?
Mysterious? You can't think of anything mysterious? Try this: The average person can't work out that
24 * 100 > 1000
Add that to the fact that the average person pays for roaming rather than just redirecting their phone and buying a local SIM card where they go (that phone you pay an extra 1400 for over two years doesn't work abroad!!). Once you start realising this is mysterious you will be able to find no end of mystery in the world.
In the end, the real mystery is: what will be your next phone bill
Re:Paired with.... (Score:4, Informative)
You're describing the American mobile market, things in Europe work very differently: most people buy a SIM-free phone and then use the operator they wish. Phone contracts cover only a very limited part of the market (iPhones, mostly).
Re:Paired with.... (Score:4, Informative)
In europe, phone contracts are still the most popular way to get a phone but the phones are nearly always unlocked (especially nowadays) and can be reused after the contract ends by putting a payg sim in, or migrating to a sim-only contract (which seem to be increasingly popular)
The thing the US carriers don't get is that people will always go with a contract as it spreads the cost of their new phone out, like buying one with a finance deal. They don't need to be locked at all. Even if you sell a sim-only contract, you make money off the punter, you only need to subsidise handsets if you have an exclusive deal for a must-have new model,and even then.. people will come to you to buy them anyway.
The US carrier lockdown is simply stupid, something in place by executives who can only think they exist to abuse their customers rather than provide a competitive service. America, ha.
Re:Paired with.... (Score:4)
if you buy from the finnish operators they'll flat out tell you on the material how much you're going to be paying for the phone.
basically you just sign up for a partial payment plan unless you just outright buy it.
anyhow, you can get all you can eat dataplans(suitable for running torrents 24/7) at varying speeds starting from around 7-8 euros / month.
there's no "you have to buy a phone for ridiculous price or pay for it anyways" system there. in the gsm era it was illegal to simlock phones... so it all stems from there. biggest mistake ever usa did with their mobile networks was to allow locked phones and techs. you could have had much wider and faster adoption otherwise(and well, paying for incoming calls shit too, what a joke! we never had that).
anyways, good luck for jolla and better late than never!(about a year ago I was at one of their developer workshops).
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But even then $100 seems high, is that the average in America?
For a heavy plan in the states or Canada, yes. That's about accurate. You *can* get plans for less, but the incumbents usually throw around arguments about the geography involved in rolling out a network when challenged on their pricing and how it compares to Europe or Japan. We'll ignore the fact that 90% of Canada's population lives within 100mi of the US border, and that 81% of our population is urban, clearly we need to roll out a cellular network that can provide service to the caribou up on Baffin Isl
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Who the fuck is paying $100 per month just for a phone? Nobody! If you are then you need to get your fucking head checked.
Satellite phone maybe
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Re:Paired with.... (Score:5, Insightful)
So how do they make money if they don't sim lock?
This is how you know the providers have won, when consumers wonder why they're NOT being treated like dirt.
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So how do they make money if they don't sim lock? I mean, I'm all for that but it doesn't make a lot of sense from a business perspective.
What a weird opinion. The concept of SELLING stuff usually implies making money. Why would they not make money from selling phones? Are you assuming that they give away phones for free?
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to give USians a real example of how different EU market is:
I pay £7 a month ($11.41) for 250 minutes, 500 texts and 500MB on a 1 month rolling contract (i.e. i can move to different provider any time i want without a penalty.) http://www.talkmobile.co.uk/tariffs/sim-only [talkmobile.co.uk]
being a geek that I am, i use about 3 of those 250 minutes, 3 texts and 499 MB. all this thanks to sim cards and unlocked phones.
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and I should refer you to the Three provider's PaYG sims that currently offer a tariff of 1 penny per megabyte [three.co.uk], or the £15 deal [three.co.uk] that gives you unlimited data.
Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)
... can it run Linu ... Yes? Oh, right. Nevermind.
Re:Yes, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's more GNU/Linux in this thing than most if not all Android computers.
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You passed a good opportunity to imagine a beowulf cluster of them, too bad.
Re:Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)
xterm? root? (Score:2)
When I saw that my N900 had an xterm installed by default, I knew I was in love.
How open is this Jolla phone? Do I have to jump through hoops to get root? Does it use a standard packaging system with repositories?
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Sadly, this Jolla thing has no keyboard and thus is a non-starter for me.
But add one and I promise to be the first in line to buy it. My N900 is starting to fall apart...
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There's still new ones at places that do repairs. I got one a replacement one for a friend about six months ago when repair was considered to be too difficult.
Re:xterm? root? (Score:5, Insightful)
As the owner of two Nokia N900s, HTC Desire (Nexus One), HTC Sensation, and LG Nexus 4, as well as a former owner of a Nokia N9, I can say the hardware keyboard on the N900 is highly overrated. Yes, when the N900 came out touchscreen keyboards were garbage, and the small screen and low resolution of the HTC Desire made typing on it an adventure. Same went for the Nokia N9 by the way, I loved the swype interface, hated the lack of keyboard. Fast forward to the HTC Sensation and LG Nexus 4, and I can type MUCH faster than I ever could on the N900.
I can think of a couple of reasons a hardware keyboard may be useful, such as typing in a terminal where sharing half the screen between the keyboard and the command line output IS a pain. And also using the phone in cold weather with gloves is much easier with a hardware keyboard.
But writing off the ONLY new phone running a real Linux distribution, with real native apps, open ecosystem from a company that is not interested in stealing your private data just because it lacks a keyboard just seems like trolling to me.
I personally will buy one as soon as it becomes available in Canada without being on pre-order.
Re:xterm? root? (Score:4, Informative)
How about porting it... (Score:2)
Re:How about porting it... (Score:5, Insightful)
First things first. Let them get themselves established, away from the history of Nokia's self-dealing CEO, and show that the direction the company was going before he sabotaged it is a viable business model. Then maybe they can consider whether they can afford to attempt to rescue Nokia's current customers.
Re:How about porting it... (Score:5, Informative)
Phones capable of running Android are their major target. Interview [talouselama.fi] of the CEO from today:
In addition to applications, Jolla exploits Android’s ecosystem also in another way. Jolla’s Sailfish operating system works in almost any Android device. Due to this Jolla can subcontract its devices for a reasonable price from any smart phone manufacturing company in Asia.
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One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.
According to Pienimäki, Jolla is also planning to let individual users to download Sailfish operating system into their Android-devices.
Re:How about porting it... (Score:5, Informative)
It's also interesting to note that Wayland just shipped on a device. So much for it being "hard to fit into a mobile device." Thanks to libhybris, they just wrap the Android blob for the GPU and continue on like a standard glibc-based Linux system.
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Re:How about porting it... (Score:5, Informative)
Wayland. On every one of these Jolla devices. X11 was being used early on until recent versions of Qt were released, which added the Qt Compositor API, allowing them to create their own compositor (and do some rather interesting things.)
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Did anyone say that Wayland was "hard to fit into a mobile device"? Presumably you're digging at Canonical, but I never heard that argument. I thought their line was that they had some requirements in order to get their "seamlessly switch from phone GUI to desktop GUI to TV GUI" features working which were being blocked.
Most smartphones are more powerful than the X11 desktop computers of just a few years ago; I don't think anyone has realistically been claiming that they wouldn't be able to to run a normal
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But is this going to be particularly useful to people? The issues with gesture-based OSes (Meego Harmattan and Blackberry 10 in particular) is they are not discoverable and the spatial awareness problem is tricky, add to that the fact that swiping from the edges gets in the way if you are playing games - which is the key reason Apple had to add the ability to turn off the iOS Control Center swiping gesture. But most importantly the gesture based interface doesn't really add anything of value.
Re:How about porting it... (Score:4, Funny)
step one, locate trashcan
step two, throw celly into trashcan
step three, get fined for not properly disposing of electronic stuff that contains all sorts of evil substances, other than the OS I mean.
step four, get the jolla.
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In addition, buying Nokia phones to run other operating systems on would give them money.
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Jolla offers licensing of Sailfish: https://sailfishos.org/about-alliance.html [sailfishos.org]
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you can just forget lumias - locked bootloaders.
it should be pretty portable to pretty much any android device though(afaik they built it to use the same kernel drivers, that way they can subcontract phones way easier from any manufacturer that does android phones). they made some press release about this couple of months back if my memory serves me right.
Hmm I might get one (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Hmm I might get one (Score:4, Informative)
It's called BlackBerry Q10 (or Q5 if you're on a budget)
Re:Hmm I might get one (Score:5, Interesting)
Portrait keyboards, like on the Q10, suck. You lose half the screen to the keyboard, all of the time, making it worse than an onscreen keyboard.
Landscape sliders are where it's at. You get a full-screen device, with an onscreen keyboard, and access to a full keyboard in landscape without losing any screen space.
It's just too bad there aren't any QWERTY sliders anymore. :( Was really hoping Motorola under Google would release a Droid5 with flagship hardware and the Photon Q keyboard. Alas, I'm still waiting ...
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Wife had the LG Eve (came out before the X10 Mini Pro) and loved it. Pretty sure she developed calluses from typing on the slide-out keyboard. Then she dropped it off the balcony, and managed to hit one of the stepping stones on the walkway (2" in any direction and it would have landed on grass). Now she has a Galaxy S2 (the HD/LTE version, so basically an S3), and rarely types anything on it.
I had an Xperia Pro for about a year. It basically replaced my Linux netbook and almost replaced my Windows lapt
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Funny you suggest the Q10/Q5. I checked with my mobile provider. They don't have any Q10s and the Q5s are selling for a much higher price than .... well almost any other phone in their market.
Probably because hardware keyboards on smartphones are unpopular, you pay more for niche product particularly when it involves additional hardware.
I could get a Z10 or a new quad-core Samsung Galaxy for less than the Q5.
But they don't have hardware keyboards, so less hardware along with economies of scale due to their target audience makes them cheaper.
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Or they figure the only people who want a Blackberry must be business users so they can figure they can charge a healthy premium.
Re:Hmm I might get one (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the most important features is the "Other Half" or whatever they're calling it, which is basically a back cover with a digital interface. There are already projects in motion to produce back covers with slide-out keyboards, extra batteries, among other things.
This feature has been seriously underplayed, it's one of the most exciting things about the whole phone!
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No. There will be no hardware keyboard "other half." The back of the phone has a camera right in the fucking middle of it. There's no way for a hardware keyboard to fit without doing some shitty folding-butterfly effect to go around the camera.
Jolla intended for this phone to not have hardware keyboards. They want it to be a proprietary, NFC-enabled "flash drive" that they can patent and team up with artists for exclusive albums and movies. It is only intended to be a new type of media storage, but slow bec
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You open the keyboard from locked, exposing the camera, and incidentally, the actual physical shutter button on the side of the keyboard.
As one possible design, for example.
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That's not a seam. That's the back part of the phone, which is replaceable. They're gunning for the setup where various different back panels will be made for the phone, which are paired with the phone though a digital connectors. Some of the ideas I've been hearing so far is things like a sliding keyboard backpanel and so on.
The "seam" is where this back panel is connected to the phone itself.
Re:Hmm I might get one (Score:5, Interesting)
As a political choice, or long term strategic move, you might want to support the neo 900 [neo900.org].
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It is on a phone with better specs and an unlocked bootloader.
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Why such low specs (Score:5, Interesting)
Why are the specs so low?
This is like a phone from 3 years ago.
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My phone is open to tinkering.
Heck, Ubuntu for it exists.
I want both. I might be convinced if all the drivers are in mainline, but we both know that is not the case.
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The crazy thing is, even though you are right that these are low specs by modern standards, these are still basically laptop-level specs. Hell, it would beat a 2006 MacBook *Pro*:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook_pro_1.67.html [everymac.com]
The convergence between phones and computers is nigh. The Ubuntu Edge concept was ahead of its time, but soon enough smartphones will have enough computing power to fill 95% of people's needs. When that happens, who would want to buy a huge, noisy desktop
Re:Why such low specs (Score:5, Insightful)
It would not come close to a 2006 macbook pro.
ARM cpus are not that performant. Ghz is not something you can compare that way.
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They're not as fast as x86 yet, but they're catching up. Intel's latest Bay Trail Atom CPUs are fast (outclassing the old Atoms, but benchmarks put the Apple A7 at a bit faster [arstechnica.com].
Some of it can be explained by CPU speed (the Bay Trail ran at 1.33GHz vs. 1.4 for the A7), but it also means the speed advantage at the low end low cost x86 is being rapidly reached by ARM CPUs.
In fact, Intel
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It might compete with a 1996 MacBook pro. If they existed?
A 1.4GHz Netburst core is more powerful than a 1.4GHz ARM core. Don't even think about comparing it to a modern x86. They're more like a factor of 10 better.
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Although one thing wr
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I would rather have a slightly larger phone. I am not going to carry a tablet around in public at all times.
I agree the price is too high for what it is.
Re:Why such low specs (Score:5, Insightful)
The specs are "low" because it's what you can get to manufacture and sell for $400 when your order is not in the millions of units. It's already amazing they managed to sell it at less than a $1000 each for such a small order.
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Fairphone manages to do pretty well on specs for €325 per phone, with an initial production run of 25,000 phones, while using ethically-sourced minerals, recycled plastics, reasonable wages and working conditions and so on:
http://buy-a-phone-start-a-movement.fairphone.com/en/specs/ [fairphone.com]
Admittedly there's no 4G, it hasn't actually shipped yet (they should start shipping out in December) and it's running Android, so the software development costs are lower. But building a decent phone at those sorts of prices
Re:Why such low specs (Score:5, Insightful)
The specs are actually quite close to the iPhone 5C (at half the price), and are low only if you compare them to Android phones specs, which are so huge because of two things: 1. Android is a resource hog, 2. due to Google's tight grip over Android, the only way OEMS can differentiate is through specs.
The Jolla folk are actively trying to fight the second point, and the first point is not applicable to them since they use a "standard" Gnu/Linux stack (Systemd, Wayland, dbus, Qt, zypper).
Re:Why such low specs (Score:5, Informative)
It's really not that rosy.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/21/googles-iron-grip-on-android [wired.co.uk] for some context.
'For OEMs, this means they aren't allowed to slowly transition from Google's Android to a fork. The second they ship one device that runs a competing fork, they are given the kiss of death and booted out of the Android family -- it must be a clean break. This, by design, makes switching to forked Android a terrifying prospect to any established Android OEM. You must jump off the Google cliff, and there's no going back.'
There is _NO_ automated process for getting an android device appoved.
Do one thing that google does not like, and you cannot legally ship any of the google apps - which as the above article explains - means many, or most apps on the google store break, even if you try to simply copy them over, as the platform services are not open source.
Re:Why such low specs (Score:5, Insightful)
many, or most apps on the google store break, even if you try to simply copy them over, as the platform services are not open source.
That's probably the most telling part of the plan, the proprietary Google Play Services gives the opportunity to have 'Google Play Services' applications rather than just 'Android' applications and the more they advance the features of that over the features of Android the more appealing it is to developers and the less appealing non-Google Android devices will be to end users.
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They're about in line with the Moto G, itself a pretty capable phone. Frankly, it's the sweet spot for most people, especially when you factor in non-subsidized prices and power consumption. My Nexus 4 sure is powerful, but the thing can chew through 25% of its battery in less than 10 minutes when doing intense stuff like updating the OS or changing runtime libraries.
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Then why would they need this?
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FTFY
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If you are only making calls this is not the device for you.
Moto G (Score:2)
On the other
Re:Moto G (Score:4, Interesting)
This sort of development on a respectable OS deserves support.
The N9 successor (Score:5, Interesting)
I switched from an N9 to a Galaxy S3 about a year ago (because the N9 lacked some apps I needed - thanks to Nokia abandoning it and alienating developers) and I still think the N9 was a much superior experience to both my Galaxy and my company-issued iPhone.
I' ll keep an eye for this. Hopefully if it catches on it might get a lower price-tag (given that it doesn't use very expensive hardware). The hardware does not seem very high-end, but the native apps are fast (the single-core N9 seemed faster than dual-core Android phones). Plus you get to run Android apps, if they run without problems this should allow people like me who had to switch to Android for the apps to get the phone.
One thing I don't like that much is the IPS screen. I don't mind it has a lower resolution than the current flagship phones, but I would prefer the S-AMOLED that the N9 had (with an always-on clock that did not use almost any battery power!).
Oh, there is also some talk that they will develop replace-able backs, e.g. you will be able to remove the back cover and put in a slide-out qwerty keyboard N900/950 style.
So, keeping an eye out for this, if it is really better than the N9, it could be the phone to have.
The video... (Score:2)
Re:The video... (Score:5, Insightful)
i doubt you'd question this, if you had owned N900 or N9
Re:The video... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, because the moment we decide "we don't need any more OSes" is the moment we decide that "innovation" is done and nothing new is to be had unless it comes from Google, Microsoft, or Apple. And that's a bad, bad state to be in.
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Microsoft makes more money from Android than it does from WindowsPhone due to patent royalties. Perhaps Sailfish will be free of such royalties? If so, I can see hardware manufacturers getting behind it (or Tizen, etc) in a big way, especially considering that Android apps will run on it.
Maybe HTC, which has been foundering lately, should produce a Sailfish handset. They could set up their own app store and make some cash that way...
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Currently it's a race between two- iOS and Android. I don't think two is enough. There are more than two brands of car, more than two types of beer, more than two mobile phone carriers in every country worth talking about. We could do with more than two.
And what's your choice for number three? Blackberry? Windows? Personally, being a Slashdot reader, I'm definitely more in favour of GNU/Linux taking the next slot. Whether that be Jolla, Ubuntu, Tizen, or something else- all fine options. Android could use s
Android compatibility (Score:2)
I don't know if supporting Android apps is a good idea. Won't that kill any chance of having native apps?
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When the native apps are better or just simply faster?
It's unlikely they would perform any different than they do an Android device, sure a native app is likely to be faster still but if you can get the same experience on Sailfish as you can on Android by targeting just Android then why explicitly target Sailfish? Better to spend that effort on more established platforms to get a larger audience.
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When the native apps are better or just simply faster?
Hopefully, this might be a crucial point.
Still, the sheer number of android apps could turn out to be overwhelming in the eyes of some aspiring developers of native ones.
(And yes, I'm massively biased in favour of the Jolla/SailfishOS. Bon voyage, brave little Jolla dinghy!)
Re:Android compatibility (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know if supporting Android apps is a good idea. Won't that kill any chance of having native apps?
Not necessarily. That issue's widely credited with the failure of OS/2, but that was a time when you drove to a store and bought a boxed application off the shelf, or mail-ordered it. Either way, you wound up with some removable media and installed the software -- there was no other way in practice. (Yes, I know modems did exist.) That means there's no incentive for someone with a Windows app to make an OS/2 port, because it's equal trouble for the consumer to acquire and use my Windows app or my competitor's OS/2 port -- I don't suffer lost sales for my lack of a port, so I I'd be a fool to dedicate the resources to one.
With smartphones, though, the normal method is to go to some app-store and download the app you want -- and this permits differentiation. If the Jolla app-store only carries Jolla-native apps, so that using an Android app requires downloading the .apk with a web browser, then my competitor with a Jolla-native port will get more market share than I do with my Android app, because there's less effort for users to install his app -- I'll have to do my own Jolla port to get in the Jolla app store and compete on an equal footing.
(I'm not sure that's exactly how the Jolla app-store situation will be -- maybe you can just install e.g. the Amazon app store APK, and have two app stores, one for android and one for jolla -- but you can see how that sort of thing lets you have the benefit of using existing Android apps while still giving developers a reason to bother with Jolla-native apps.)
Let the lawsuits begin (Score:2)
Re:Let the lawsuits begin (Score:5, Interesting)
Na ga happen. Nokia actually funded this company with contributions towards a federal goodwill program that provides funds for nationalistic (Finnish) startups. Jolla has access to Nokia's full patent portfolio under this program, as well as Nokia HERE maps.
The Jolla spinoff was a way for Nokia to continue development of Meego without Microsoft oversight. After the Microsoft acquisition is completed, Nokia cannot make phones until January 2016, after which, a merger between Nokia and Jolla is possible. Nokia has retained its brand, image, and importantly, the "Nokia ringtone" sound. It may be able to get by for a few years on patent royalties. Microsoft only gets the Lumia and Asha lines, and production centers, which were outsourced to Asia anyway.
Egocentric world (Score:4, Funny)
After *I*-OS, you can now buy a phone running "Selfish-OS".
The question is: who needs a phone in a self-centered world?
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A fisherman. They're known to be a solitary crowd!
I think they just like making new project names (Score:4, Informative)
Maemo [wikipedia.org] / Moblin [wikipedia.org] -> MeeGo [wikipedia.org] -> Harmattan -> Mer [wikipedia.org] -> Tizen [wikipedia.org] | Smeegol [wikipedia.org] | Sailfish [wikipedia.org]
Or, in other words, lets rename and start a new project every other week!
I got my N900 because it was based on the same GTK and Debian that I was familiar with on my desktop. But I never touched app development on it because of the promise of the "new" project completely obsoleting anything that I would create on the old. Why bother creating a GTK interface when the new UI gets rewritten in QT next month? Why bother creating Debian packages when the new system uses RPM? Meanwhile, the Osborne effect [wikipedia.org] ensures that no mainstream apps get written for the current code base.
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It can but you really want to use native programs. Android compaitibility will get things started, but it's like running Wine on Linux. It works, but it's not what you want to use unless you have to.
Re:big repo, man (Score:4, Informative)
Compatibility with Android should be *much* higher than with wine. They have the source code for a start... They both target Linus' kernel. They're both based around OpenGL (ES) for drawing.
Re:Pronounciation (Score:5, Informative)
Yo-lla. Finnish for "dinghy". The joke being about getting away from Elop's "burning platform".
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Like this... io-lah.
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No
So no frickin' sharks [10news.com], then?