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T-Mobile G1 Faster Than iPhone 3G 304

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An anonymous reader writes "CNET UK have run some very simple in-house tests comparing the T-Mobile G1's 3G connection against the iPhone 3G's. Result? The G1 loaded Web pages almost twice as fast as the iPhone's. Of course, the test only applies to the CNET UK offices if you're being scientific about it, as stated, but it's still impressive nevertheless."
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T-Mobile G1 Faster Than iPhone 3G

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  • somebody read it (Score:3, Interesting)

    by alta (1263) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:37AM (#25571251) Homepage Journal

    and tell me if it's because of:
    1. Faster Network access of the device
    2. Faster network the device is connected to
    3. Faster processor
    4. faster browser.

    • Re:somebody read it (Score:5, Informative)

      by BobMcD (601576) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:39AM (#25571289)

      3 and 4, per the conclusions of the author.

      Don't worry, though, I'm sure some apple fan will be along shortly to debunk it.

      • Re:somebody read it (Score:5, Interesting)

        by goombah99 (560566) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:50AM (#25571543)

        The author tries to conclude it was not the network (offering no reasons) ans was the browser's "page load speed".

        But this is mentally ill. The page load too 1.5 minutes versus 30 seconds. SO is he trying to say it took the apple iphone 1 minute to render the page?

        this is absolutely illogial. Of course it's the network. They did not even check to see if the iphone was on a 2G or 3G network.

        retards.

        • Re:somebody read it (Score:5, Informative)

          by grahamsz (150076) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @12:03PM (#25571765) Homepage Journal

          o2 has 3g coverage for 80% of the country. I find it very hard to believe that the skipped "London" when they were doing that.

          T-Mobile UK is delivering a 7.2Mbps connection whereas O2 are still at 3.6Mbps - either way i find it hard to believe that download speed is a major issue.

          Quite why they didn't use wifi - i dont know

          • by aliquis (678370)

            Why didn't they just unlock either phone and tested it on the same network?

            Can the iPhone 3G be unlocked yet?

            • by grahamsz (150076)

              The g1 can be unlocked. Apparently people have succeeded by calling and asking nicely.

              Of course we could just go to germany or the netherlands since i think t-mo carry both phones there.

              In fact, they seem like they'd have been the sensible choice for apple all round. They must have the furthest reaching network of anyone out there.

    • Re:somebody read it (Score:5, Informative)

      by dnwq (910646) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:39AM (#25571291)
      From TFA:

      Taking into account that we tested it against another 3G phone with a T-Mobile SIM in it, we believe that it's not a network factor, it's the G1's browser and processor being able to render pages much faster. So if you're looking for a fast Web experience on the go, we strongly recommend checking out the T-Mobile G1.

      • by Locke2005 (849178)
        That justifies the conclusion faster than the Omnia. But I see no indication that the iPhone was on the T-Mobile network. iPhones in the US are tied to AT&T/Cingular; what network are they tied to in the UK?
      • by dnwq (910646) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:46AM (#25571461)
        Gah! I read it again and what they actually did was run a T-Mobile Samsung Omnia against the T-Mobile G1 on silicon.com and barackobama.com. The G1 wins... And then they run the (O2-locked) iPhone against the T-Mobile G1 on eHam.net, and the G1 wins.

        Great for the G1 and all... but seriously? CNET, you fail at comparisons. Different sites? For the love of the experimental method, why?

        And there's absolutely no way to conclude that the G1's processor or browser beats the iPhone's on this test alone... maybe O2 just really, really sucks? Who knows?

        If you really want to do a comparison... just unlock the damned thing and put in SIM cards from the same network!
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          If they think it's the proc/browser speed why not just test over the same wifi network?

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            because the ability to get a page fast over a low bandwidth connection is important to most perspective buyers (ability to deal with compressed pages, pipelining etc) and at the end of the day if you live in the UK you will get iphones & G1s on their respective connections.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by thedonger (1317951)

          For the love of the experimental method, why?

          they hosed up the experimental method right off the bat with the extremely limited scope of their test. 3 web pages?

        • by Achromatic1978 (916097) <robert AT chromablue DOT net> on Thursday October 30, 2008 @03:11PM (#25574551)
          Why? Until the average man on the street is able to use his iPhone 3G on another network, give me one reason it ISN'T a valid real world comparison. You're not going to be using your iPhone on T-mobile's network, you'll be using it on O2. End experience and perception. "Oh, it's not my iPhone, it's the network!"? Seems reasonable to me.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by blowdart (31458)
      You can't really tell. The iPhone 3g and the G1 comparison were on different networks. They also compared against a Windows Mobile phone on the same network as the G1; and the G1 turned out faster.

      That doesn't stop them concluding

      we believe that it's not a network factor, it's the G1's browser and processor being able to render pages much faster.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by beelsebob (529313)

        The massive irony here is that both phones use WebKit to render pages, so unless there's a *major* version difference, the rendering engine is essentially the same!

    • by alta (1263)

      From the story, it sounds like the article doesn't even bother to consider a scientific method and all comparisons are apples to oranges (wow, multilevel pun)
      Glad I didn't waste my time.

    • Or, website built to load faster on the Android browser.

      Simple to skew these results.... Give markup language or use a language the IPhone will have troubles with.

      I'd MUCH rather see how they stacked up with a computer tethered to them, to see total BPS throughput.

      Oh, what's that, the IPhone won't tether?

      Thank GOD I don't believe hype. I have an HTC based phone and LOVE it.

      --Toll_Free

    • by beelsebob (529313)

      Well, it's got nothing to do with the rendering engine -- both of them use the same WebKit engine.

      • by MsGeek (162936)

        I hate to say it, but maybe it's an embedded Linux vs. a cut-down Mac OS X issue. Maybe the version of Mac OS on the iPhone is not optimized enough vs. embedded versions of Linux.

  • by MikeRT (947531) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:40AM (#25571305) Homepage

    The first time I saw an iPhone in person was in rural Virginia. It wasn't fast, but it actually worked out there. T-Mobile doesn't even really have any service out there, so I guess it really is just a moot point for a lot of people.

  • but does this determine the quality of the phone or the network?

  • In the states, T-Mobile has almost no 3G coverage outside of several major cities. And data coverage itself, which is often sparse west of the Mississippi, all but disappears when one gets to the middle United states.

    All reports indicates that Google has built a very good smart phone OS. Now that it is open sourced we are likely to see a great number of smart phones of varying quality, some which will be very fast and put the propriety guys to shame on certain benchmarks, and with features the propriet

  • But I actually called AT&T and talked to the apple rep and BEGGED for an option to turn off 3G, it's beyond a joke. I'd rather have EDGE only, the 3G is so bad it actually causes my phone to take 3 or 4 times as long as my 1st gen EDGE iPhone to load a web page. Thats because the signal is next to worthless in podunk areas like DOWNTOWN FREAKIN SF and I have to wait for the phone to decide... "ohhh... this take too long... me switch to edge and retry"

    I hope someone brings about a class action against AT

  • T-Mobile in NYC (Score:4, Informative)

    by C_Kode (102755) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @11:53AM (#25571595) Journal

    I've been with T-Mobile since they were Voice Stream back in 2000 when I was living in Dallas. In Dallas they were great, but I've been in NYC since early 2005 and their service sucks in this area. Most of the time my Internet access doesn't work at all.

  • Simply... awesome. (Score:5, Informative)

    by s13g3 (110658) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @12:02PM (#25571751) Journal

    My room mate, a senior T-Mobile Engineer, did a test just last night of his new G1 on T-Mo's 3G network versus his iPhone on AT&T's network and saw a full 150kbps difference between the two, with advantage going to the G1. On a later test they ran the G1 against the iPhone with both on T-Mobile's network and saw between a 50 - 75kbps difference between the two, again, advantage G1.

    So far I'm rather impressed with the device. The trackball is very functional, easy to use, and seems well made. The device is fast and responsive, and while the screen may not be quit as big or pretty as the iPhone's, it's still plenty nice enough. Ok, it doesn't have multi-touch (as far as I can ascertain), but it's fast, very functional and I really really want one now. Web-browsing was a wonderful experience (first time I can say that about a phone), and did I say it was fast? Also the native console and SSH functionality was awesome, and I was very surprised by how well it represented my SSH sessions, including irssi - I must have one.

    It really does look better in the hand than it does on photos. Ok, not quite as slick as the iPhone, but I'm also not one of those people who will shell out an extra $X just to get a pretty PC case when all I want is functionality - I don't need my mobile device to be sexy in an artistic way, I want it to be sexy in a functional, useful and powerful way. The teenage emo girls on 4chan can have the iPhone, it's G1 for me.

    Don't forget open standards for the phone too, and the fact that with the time and effort you can make it do anything you want to, and not have to be beholden to what Apple thinks you should be able to do, or a glorified pager that is the Blackberry.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 30, 2008 @12:42PM (#25572373)

    Almost everybody here is comparing phones on different networks. The only way you can say anything useful about the phones is if they're using the SAME NETWORK.

    "3G" is not a bandwidth value. Neither is "Edge". For both of these, data transfer rate depends mainly on how far you are from the cell company's antenna, and how many walls and trees are between you and it.

    Unless those factors are identical for both phones, your comparison says nothing about the speed of the phones, and nothing useful about how the phones will behave for someone else. The only person here who's made a sensible comparison is dnwq, who said

    If you really want to do a comparison... just unlock the damned thing and put in SIM cards from the same network!

  • by laoudji (1383755) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @01:58PM (#25573527) Homepage
    Turns out it's an O2 network issue: From TA: "Update: A previously published version of this article concluded that the G1's browser and processor were able to render pages faster than the iPhone's. In response to reader comments regarding a Wi-Fi test, we have now run a set of tests and concluded that, indeed, both phones load pages at a similar speed over Wi-Fi. This means there's little difference in processor or browser performance. Clearly the G1 is a superior Web phone to the Omnia, but it seems to be O2's network that is holding the iPhone back."
  • by jobsagoodun (669748) on Thursday October 30, 2008 @03:27PM (#25574785)

    I've tested the same web-site on wired & 3G tmobile connection, & tmobile reduces the (byte) size of all image files on the fly in their transparent proxy. Might improve performance a tad! A proper test would use https as this cannot be interfered with in this way.

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