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FCC Closes 'Final Loopholes' That Keep Prison Phone Prices Exorbitantly High 72

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The Federal Communications Commission today voted to lower price caps on prison phone calls and closed a loophole that allowed prison telecoms to charge high rates for intrastate calls. Today's vote will cut the price of interstate calls in half and set price caps on intrastate calls for the first time. The FCC said it "voted to end exorbitant phone and video call rates that have burdened incarcerated people and their families for decades. Under the new rules, the cost of a 15-minute phone call will drop to $0.90 from as much as $11.35 in large jails and, in small jails, to $1.35 from $12.10."

The new rules are expected to take effect in January 2025 for all prisons and for jails with at least 1,000 incarcerated people. The rate caps would take effect in smaller jails in April 2025. Worth Rises, a nonprofit group advocating for prison reform, said it "estimates that the new rules will impact 83 percent of incarcerated people (about 1.4 million) and save impacted families at least $500 million annually."
The nonprofit Prison Policy Institute said that prison phone companies charge ancillary fees for things "like making a deposit to fund an account." The ban on those fees "also effectively blocks a practice that we have been campaigning against for years: companies charging fees to consumers who choose to make single calls rather than fund a calling account, and deliberately steering new consumers to this higher-cost option in order to increase fee revenue," the group said.

The ancillary fee ban is a "technical-sounding change," but will help "eliminate some of the industry's dirtiest tricks that shortchange both the families and the facilities," the group said.
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FCC Closes 'Final Loopholes' That Keep Prison Phone Prices Exorbitantly High

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    In my prison wallet. :)
  • good. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @03:55PM (#64635903)
    The punishment is the loss of freedom, it is not the loss of their humanity.
    Prisoners who are treated humanely , are helped with education, drug/alcohol rehab , and maintain strong family links are less likely to reoffend.
    Brutality has NEVER worked
    • Re:good. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by sjames ( 1099 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @04:23PM (#64635969) Homepage Journal

      I don't understand why some people think spending several years teaching someone that society is their brutal enemy and taking away everything they might have to lose will result in a model citizen upon release.

      • Re: good. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by DivineKnight ( 3763507 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @04:30PM (#64635983)

        Because it's not about rehabilitation, it's about punishment. And the people who get off on that...

        • You treat people like crap, ie in poverty etc then those people also have nothing to lose.

          Meantime the wealthy commit BIGGER crimes and get away with it
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Punishment is just the marketing that sells it to voters, it's actually about making money for private prisons.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        I don't agree with this sort of petty punishment/profiteering. But most of the people are in their as they already treated society as their enemy or something to be spat on. would be nice to see some rehab actually going on, but punishment is also important, actions have to have consequences if you want people to learn to not do them.
        • Re:good. (Score:4, Interesting)

          by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @04:49PM (#64636023)

          But most of the people are in their as they already treated society as their enemy or something to be spat on.

          No. More of the prisoners in normal countries are that. Most of the people in US prisons didn't treat society in any way and are locked up for the crimes of being black, having a joint, standing somewhere unfortunate. Some 40% of people in the USA are behind bars for reasons that would qualify for simple fines / community service in sane countries.

          • by piojo ( 995934 )

            [40%] of the people in US prisons didn't treat society in any way and are locked up for the crimes of being black, having a joint, standing somewhere unfortunate

            Wow, major citation needed!

            • Type it in Google and click the first link you find. It's well known that the USA imprisons a hugely disproportionate group of non-violent offenders who are no risk to society. At this point that would be like giving you a citation that the sky is blue.

              • by piojo ( 995934 )

                It sounds an awful lot like you just changed the goalposts because I called you out on a lie. You first mentioned a high percent of people being wrongly convicted, victims of racism, or people who committed victimless crimes. Now you are talking about nonviolent offenders, which includes fraud, every kind of scam, burglary, and a lot of people that society does need to be protected from!

                To be clear, I'm not talking about nonviolent offenders and our justice system (restorative justice?). I'm talking about y

        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          But be careful you don't convince them with evidence that society *IS* their enemy.

          The punishment is that they have their lives managed by others and so they are not free to leave. Without actual rehab, it's really just putting them at the mercy of people who in a just society would be on the other side of the bars.

      • Re:good. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @04:50PM (#64636025)
        It's not about rehabilitation it's about punishment. It's about hurting people that you've been told need to be hurt.

        It's one of those things that gets ingrained in you during those critical 4 to 14 years. Basically there's a period of time when the human brain is capable of ingesting information but isn't capable of evaluating it critically.

        As a left winger I have a lot of unpopular opinions but by far the least popular is my belief that prison should be reserved for individuals we cannot prevent from committing other crimes and not just used as a generic punishment. That the idea of punishment for its own sake is nothing more than torture.

        This idea is popular because it flies in the face of everything you're taught during those critical years when you are physically incapable of questioning the information given to you.

        In general pointing this out is not going to endear you to anyone. Still it's the right thing to do. It's 2024 we should evolve beyond using torture to illicit compliance...
        • Prison, first and foremost, removes dangerous people from society. It protects the many at the expense of convicted criminals. You should reevaluate who is torturing whom.

        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          As a left winger I have a lot of unpopular opinions but by far the least popular is my belief that prison should be reserved for individuals we cannot prevent from committing other crimes and not just used as a generic punishment. That the idea of punishment for its own sake is nothing more than torture.

          In most countries, that isn't even a left wing view... It's called a sensible view.

        • prison should be reserved for individuals we cannot prevent from committing other crimes

          I suppose I'm not totally opposed to your philosophy here, but in practice, how are you identifying that cohort of prisoners? A mandatory stint in a... facility where they're assessed by professionals who determine if/when they're no longer a risk to society? That just sounds like a Scandinavian prison and isn't a concept nearly as unpopular as you make out.

      • The type of people who respond well to punishment beyond confinement are the sort that rarely end up in prison in the first place. They're so terrified by the thought that they might end up there that they do their utmost no to.

        Most of the people actually in prison have serious problems with authority and no amount of beatings will change that. The sad corollary to this is that there are some people you can't rehabilitate either. The best you can do is keep them separated from society and probably other
        • Re:good. (Score:4, Insightful)

          by sjames ( 1099 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @05:19PM (#64636069) Homepage Journal

          The other side is people who don't believe they have anything to lose. The solution to that would require social changes that some political factions might call "socialism" so that won't happen.

          • by PPH ( 736903 )

            people who don't believe they have anything to lose.

            Their freedom.

            require social changes that some political factions might call "socialism"

            I guess some people just don't care for freedom. So they should be just fine with prison. Either in a DOC facility or behind an iron curtain.

            • by sjames ( 1099 )

              What freedom? Boss expects them to show at the drop of a hat but pays minimum wage. Rent is higher than the paycheck. Life consists of work and sleep.

              • by PPH ( 736903 )

                What freedom? Boss expects them to show at the drop of a hat

                You don't work for yourself?

                but pays minimum wage.

                You don't work for yourself?

                Rent is higher than the paycheck.

                You don't work for yourself? Where you want?

                Life consists of work and sleep.

                You don't work for yourself? At a job you like?

                Of course, under socialism, none of these will be your choices. You will do what you are told. Or gulag.

                • by sjames ( 1099 )

                  There is the problem, someone says socialized healthcare and you jump immediately to the worst of Soviet communism as if it's the same thing. Someone says raise the minimum wage and you make the same jump. Same thing if someone suggests a minimum basic income, help with starting a small business, etc. All of it is soviet communism to you.

                  I don't know you personally, but that school of thought oddly enough tends to also screech about communism when someone suggests implementing market regulation or limits on

                  • by PPH ( 736903 )

                    socialized healthcare

                    We've had that for years. If some bum collapses on the sidewalk, they get taken to our local public hospital. No questions asked and no payment required.

                    raise the minimum wage ... minimum basic income

                    We did that. The landlords increased rents in anticipation of an increase in demand. Before the wage law actually kicked in. Those who were not working, or working "off the books" in the gig economy lost their residences and either moved away or are living under the freeway. Attempts to apply wage minimums to the gig economy backfired. People lost jobs an

                    • by sjames ( 1099 )

                      So since we already have socialized medicine you won't mind if we go ahead and implement madicare for all, right?

                      You acknowledge that the market for housing is screwed so a little regulation is in order, right?

                    • by PPH ( 736903 )

                      you won't mind if we go ahead and implement madicare for all, right?

                      As long as you paid into the fund.

                      You acknowledge that the market for housing is screwed

                      Nope. Supply and demand are behaving as expected.

                    • by sjames ( 1099 )

                      If prices went up in ANTICIPATION of renter's income increasing rather than as a response to actual demand, no it isn't.

                    • by PPH ( 736903 )

                      If prices went up in ANTICIPATION

                      Stock market.

                    • by sjames ( 1099 )

                      Still broken.

      • I am a lawyer, but this is not legal advice. Pay my retainer if you want advice.

        Generally speaking, criminal justice systems have one or more of four goals: rehabilitation, punishment, incapacitation, and deterrence.

        Interestingly, at least as of when I was in law school in the late 80s, not a single system claims all four.

        A few notes:

        The term "penitentiary" comes from the Quaker notion of locking the wrongdoer up in a room with nothing but a Bible, until he finds the error of his ways.

        Studies on the amount

        • by sjames ( 1099 )

          Under the current system yes, but I suspect it could be modified considerably.

          For example instead of bail give those awaiting trial an ankle bracelet. The dumbest of them might still attempt property crime but with their exact location history being recorded, getting caught will be a near certainty. It shouldn't take long for word of that to get around.

          I don't think we can really speed up capital punishment since we already have an error rate that's too high (you can't un-execute someone when they are exone

    • False. Brutality works. A lot of people have gotten away with brutality -- a lot of prisoners are living better than their victims. That said, we shouldn't do it. Brutality is bad, that's why we shouldn't do it .. we shouldn't choose it based on whether it works or not, rather is it the right thing to do. Causing intense suffering is bad.

      • The fact that prisoners live better than their victims is NOT saying treatment of prisoners needs to be made harder, it's saying you need to treat your citizens better. That too has an impact on crime.
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        False. Brutality works.

        Actually, it does not. All it does is make the situation worse. The Science is _really_ solid on this one.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Obviously. But those that advocate and implement brutality are not after fixing any problems. They are after satisfying their sadistic urges and feeling superior. You know, primitives.

  • by bugs2squash ( 1132591 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @03:57PM (#64635909)
    Hmm, SCOTUS doesn't seem to like it when a federal agency exercises any discretion. Maybe they'll nip this in the bud and jack up the fees to $1000 per phone call, with the usual ideological split of course.
    • Hmm, SCOTUS doesn't seem to like it when a federal agency exercises any discretion. Maybe they'll nip this in the bud and jack up the fees to $1000 per phone call, with the usual ideological split of course.

      The people bribing -- I mean gifting -- Justices Thomas and Alito stuff have to get their money from somewhere, might as well be from convicts than their own pockets. The Justices may as well help (themselves) ... #Inflamatory-SCOTUS-dig-that's-probably-more-true-than-not

      • It's hardly inflammatory, it's the flat facts: The Roberts Kangaroo court has all but expressly declared bribery legal, by ruling that you can't prove that that sack of money I gave you before you did the illegal thing for me was "bribery." Short of a signed, notarized agreement between us explicitly stating that I was giving you money, which is a bribe, to do something which I bribed you to do, that is.

        The most amazing part is that what should've been reviled as the worst decision handed down in decades
    • by Marful ( 861873 )
      No, what SCOTUS doesn't like is federal agencies passing policy as if it had the weight of law. Thus bypassing congress's ability to legislate.

      Federal Agencies like to exercise their bureaucratic power by redefining things, altering definitions, etc, to increase their scope of authority by casting a wider net. Thus granting themselves more authority than they actually have. THAT is what SCOTUS has been stripping away from federal agencies.
  • Ramen will now cost $4-$6 per pack!

  • ... looks like it was unanimous (imagine that). One commissioner was listed as "approving in part" and "concurring in part", so perhaps a small disagreement in the wording. Regardless, a "day of days".
    • Re:FCC Vote ... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kisai ( 213879 ) on Thursday July 18, 2024 @04:21PM (#64635963)

      Regardless of WHO it was targeted at. The price for a phone call is essentially free, so why do prisoners have to pay 12$ a minute? Greed, likely the prison getting a kickback out of it.

      That's why cell phone smuggling is such a thing.

      That said, I could see in some cases why a prison might charge a fee for the use of the phone to discourage someone from running an organized crime ring inside the prison to placing harassment phone calls to their victims or new targets. So perhaps an intermediatory is necessary, but I still don't see why that has to be $12/minute. Surely someone monitoring the call can be replaced with an AI that transcribes the call and sends it to the prison record keeping.

      • That may not save money. We'll need AI trained to detect background noise-based signaling and usage of substitute words, things like that. Developing such an AI will cost money. Also, there'll need to be random human auditing of AI's work.

  • Who was benefiting the most from the perverse system?

    • by hawk ( 1151 )

      the commissary or recreation programs typically got a cut, and this small fraction is used to sell the extortionate prices.

  • Guys, I've discovered the solution to all of society's problems. I avoid getting overcharged for prison calls by not committing crimes. I've avoided Fentanyl overdoses by never doing drugs. I don't have any DUIs because I don't drink. OMG I think I just solved the world's problems! It's a new thing called personal responsibility and not deflecting blame.
    • by Chaset ( 552418 )

      Right, because our "justice" system is perfect and innocents are never incarcerated.
      Back when I used to read the newspaper, I would see a story once every few months of a guy in *death row* released/retried because new evidence was found that might exonerate them. At least one case was a obvious framing by the authorities. [It was an arson case and the fire inspector and police colluded to frame the guy]
      So "avoid prison by not committing crimes" doesn't always work.
      Also, even for the valid prisoners

  • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Friday July 19, 2024 @08:45AM (#64637519)

    I wasn't familiar with this until my sister was arrested for a DUI about 10 years ago. She was panicking and called me like 10 times from the phone in the jail not knowing that each each call was a $15 charge. Eventually I just had to tell her to stop calling, we'll bail her out when the judge sets it.

    If they want to limit calls to a certain amount or something as a punishment that's fine, but setting them to some stupidly expensive rate to profit off of it is just wrong.

  • For example, 20 years ago, my late ex was in jail in Brevard Co, FL (the "Space Coast"). $50 please, for don't remember how many calls, and by the way, you can only call from one, landline phone number, at a given time.

    Meanwhile, all that stats show that the more contact *most* people in jail have with family and friends, the *lower* the recidivism rate.

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