iOS and Android Activations Now Split Evenly In the US, Research Shows (macrumors.com) 113
Activations of iOS and Android devices are now evenly split in the United States, with little sign of movement toward either platform dominating over the past two years, according to data sourced by Consumer Research Intelligence Partners (CIRP). MacRumors reports: CIRP estimates that iOS and Android each had 50 percent of new smartphone activations in the year ending this quarter. iOS's share of new smartphone activations climbed from 2017 to 2020, but has now remained at its peak level for a second consecutive year. CIRP Partner and Co-Founder Josh Lowitz said that the finding is significant because for several years, Android smartphones "had a significant edge, with over 60 percent of customers opting for an Android phone in most quarters. In the past couple of years, though, iOS has closed the gap, and now splits the market with Android."
Both Android and iOS users have had a high level of loyalty historically. Android loyalty has varied very slightly, in a narrow range of 90 to 93 percent in the past four years. iOS loyalty, on the other hand, has gradually increased over the past four years, from a low of 86 percent in early 2018 to 93 percent in the most recent quarter ending in June 2021. Loyalty and tendency to switch platforms may explain some of the change in the share of new smartphone activations, where iOS has gained loyalty in a market with a limited amount of switching.
Both Android and iOS users have had a high level of loyalty historically. Android loyalty has varied very slightly, in a narrow range of 90 to 93 percent in the past four years. iOS loyalty, on the other hand, has gradually increased over the past four years, from a low of 86 percent in early 2018 to 93 percent in the most recent quarter ending in June 2021. Loyalty and tendency to switch platforms may explain some of the change in the share of new smartphone activations, where iOS has gained loyalty in a market with a limited amount of switching.
Doublespeak (Score:5, Insightful)
Loyalty. An interesting spin to put on vendor lock-in.
Re:Doublespeak (Score:5, Interesting)
Loyalty. An interesting spin to put on vendor lock-in.
How locked in are we really? There are migration tools etc for photos. I don't have many apps that I've paid enough for that it would lock me in... the most expensive "apps" are usually services these days - like Spotify, Strava, MS Office, storage etc. I don't use the vendor email, and if I lose my message history I'll probably won't even notice.
However, when I choose I always get an iPhone anyway. For me, the most important issues are privacy (being a customer, not the product), build quality and long term software updates. Given that, there just isn't a whole lot of choice even if I've grown to dislike Apple now using the App Store not only to promote security and privacy, but also to protect revenue and block e.g. game streaming services.
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There are two ways that Apple and Google lock you in
- If you buy app X on the App store, you can't use that license to download the exact same paid app on the Play store. There is not really any reason this should be because it is not how software works for Enterprise nor desktop - generally when you buy a license for the software you can run it on the platform of your choice.
- People quote iMessage as a lockin. Personally I have always given this one an eyeroll because iMessage is not really that much bett
Re:Doublespeak (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm the opposite, When you are paying hundreds or thousands of dollars for a phone, locking yourself to a phone ecosystem to avoid paying for a 1-5 app causes my eyes to roll.
iMessage on the other hand, being the android user in many iPhone group texts, I do feel the "lock out"
- the picture sharing quality is reduced for everyone on the chat
- the chat can't get named
- people are adding emotions or replying direct to messages in the chat and I get a general message with little context "X liked a photo"
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When you are paying hundreds or thousands of dollars for a phone
Most people don't. I don't think I've ever parted with more than $39 at a time for a hundred or thousand dollar phone. So suddenly switching and finding an actual bill for apps (1-5? Sounds like you have a phone rather than a portable computer there) that isn't easily distributed over a 24 month payment plan can suddenly be a big hit for a lot of people.
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There is not really any reason this should be because it is not how software works for Enterprise nor desktop - generally when you buy a license for the software you can run it on the platform of your choice.
This is patently false. I challenge you to name a single example. When you buy a program for Windows, you don't then get to download the macOS version (or Linux or Haiku or whatever).
Re:Doublespeak (Score:4, Informative)
Microsoft Office works that way. Adobe Creative Cloud works that way. Games from Steam and GoG work that way. I bought a photo-culling tool called Optyx last week that works that way.
I think you'll find that if you buy much software at all, that's how it works now.
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I challenge you to name a single example.
Ironically enough: Microsoft Office. Mind you Steam games are transferable. My expensive astronomy specific image processor also came with a license that allowed installation on any OS.
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The ironic thing is that iMessage is used to gauge if someone is worthy of dating or not. I used my Google Voice account to sent a text to someone I met via a dating service, got immediately told off and blocked, because, "I refuse to date Android people. People with iPhones are richer." So, that blue versus green text can make a big difference for a first impression.
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You know, you're probably better off without that sort of person in your life anyway. Better to learn right up front that your potential date is an idiot than to discover it over the course of a year. :-)
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- People quote iMessage as a lockin. Personally I have always given this one an eyeroll because iMessage is not really that much better than texting, it is marginally better at best. I do not know of anyone who even thinks about iMessage as a thing, they just consider them group texts.
Most people, I suspect, are actually talking about the bug where after you switch from iOS to Android, you have to contact your carrier and do something to switch iMessage off, or else you won't receive any more text messages. I'm assuming they fixed that long ago, but it was apparently a real pain.
Either that or maybe FaceTime?
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How many apps do you have that cost more than $10?
Even though they aren't apps, some movies and books purchased on iTunes Store cost more than 10 USD. They don't appear to be viewable on Android or desktop Linux.
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- If you buy app X on the App store, you can't use that license to download the exact same paid app on the Play store.
Sure but how much money have you really spent on phone apps?
- People quote iMessage as a lockin. ... Which is a necessity because it is extremely rare for a group of friends to *ALL* be on iPhones... at least in my universe people do not choose their friends based on their phone manufacturer.
I think what you're trying to say is that iMessage really isn't a lockin then.
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Personally I have always given this one an eyeroll because iMessage is not really that much better than texting, it is marginally better at best.
Carriers in the United States still charge their pay-as-you-go customers per message both to send and to receive text messages. When all participants are using macOS, iOS, or iPadOS, and Wi-Fi is available, iMessage bypasses the carrier's fee. But when any participant is using non-Apple products, the participants must pay the carrier, either per message or hundreds of dollars per year to upgrade from pay-as-you-go to an unlimited plan.
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Most non-tech people lack the intellectual fortitude to switch from one to the other. It's just mentally easier to keep using the same thing. Even if you are in the Android ecosystem, a lot of people can't deal with switching between different vendors like Samsung, Motorola, and Pixel phones. Even an OS version bump causes all kinds of headaches and confusion among non-technical people.
As a techy, I could easily switch between different Android versions, but going to iOS based devices is kind of problematic
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How locked in are we really?
It depends on how many apps you've purchased. If you switch platforms, you have to buy them all again. Data migration is far from the only issue. Historically though, Google has made it easy and Apple has made it hard; you have to use their shitty app to get data onto the phone.
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For a lot of people it's just familiarity. They know how an iPhone works, they don't want to learn anything new.
For others they can't be bothered to look into what phones are good, they just buy the current iPhone. It's the McDonalds of phones, crap but you consistent.
For yet more people there is iCloud lock-in. Family plan, all data in the cloud already, moving is too much hassle. The EU was supposed to be fixing it with GDPR but it needs a bit more work.
Oh and there is iMessage.
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I'd say, yes and no for vendor lock-in:
Yes, because you have to re-buy all your apps either in Apple's App Store, or the Google Play Store, and this can mean subscriptions, or whatnot. All your saved games will not migrate, one's music library may or may not migrate, and daily config settings likely won't make it.
Then, there is iCloud which is only available on one platform.
No, because for the most part, a ton of stuff is cloud based. If using M365, one often saves in OneDrive where it doesn't matter what
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I'd say, yes and no for vendor lock-in:
Yes, because you have to re-buy all your apps either in Apple's App Store, or the Google Play Store, and this can mean subscriptions, or whatnot. All your saved games will not migrate, one's music library may or may not migrate, and daily config settings likely won't make it.
You forgot movies, TV shows, books....
And it's worth noting that this lock-in is quite often one-way. I can read Google Play books on iOS. I can't read iBooks Store books on Android.
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How locked in are we really?
Is that question a joke?
- Apple is the subject of an antitrust investigation partially centrered on how it handles chat messaging and SMS services causing users to be actually cut off when they migrate to Android.
- Many people actually pay for apps. I don't, but many people do.
- Hardware compatibility is an ongoing issue, how many lightning devices do you have in your house which are incompatible with Android and visa versa.
- What about ancillary services? Is your iTunes music collection available on Androi
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For example, On Android, WhatsApp backs up to Google Drive and a local file. Migrating to another phone is a matter of some clicks, and your year-long history is transferred in the background (Many people use their WhatsApp history as a sort of life log, so this is very important).
WhatsApp on iPhone backs up to iCloud, and you need to buy some app in order to somehow get a
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That's not iOS fault though. It's the WhatsApp developers who made that choice. iOS does not block from backing up on, for example, Dropbox. Many apps I use do exactly that, and that is how I get the files between my Linux computer and my iOS devices.
In fact, nothing I use will only save to iCloud. And if it does, I can still get at most such data through the Files app and copy it to, say, Dropbox.
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It only took 2 posts.
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Both Apple and Google (and other phone makers) pay Fox News, MSNBC... a lot of money to advertise their products. Their would be no benefit on making such a company a "Bad Guy" or a product that their viewers wouldn't/shouldn't use.
A company like Tesla doesn't advertise, so these media companies will rip it apart as being such a bad company, while in the same breath hailing how innovative the likes of Ford or VW is for their electric cars (Despite, less performance, more expensive price, and shorter rang
Ginger or MaryAnn (Score:2)
This is slashdot so reading the TFA is out (Score:5, Interesting)
But a few questions
What is a new activation - new contract or just new phone?
If its not new contract but just new phone is the difference in the average time a consumer tends to keep and iOS device vs a droid device?
How much of this data is covid related noise - companies telling remote workers to get a business smart phone etc where corp policy decisions and/or how much they are willing to reimburse are driving the choice in platform rather than consumer preference?
it always amazed me (Score:2, Interesting)
Re: it always amazed me (Score:5, Informative)
Apple phones get software updates long term. My 6s is still getting OS and security updates. How many 6 year old androids still get software updates from the manufacturer? The battery still holds a charge for the day of moderate use and the use performance of the phone is basically new. Iâ(TM)ve tried android before and used android phones through my job. Iâ(TM)ve ditched android because after about 12 months the phone just becomes a slow buggy mess. Iâ(TM)m not sure why as I donâ(TM)t really download apps. Looking for help online the fix seems to be to jailbreak it an install hack xyz on it.
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Apple phones get software updates long term. My 6s is still getting OS and security updates. How many 6 year old androids still get software updates from the manufacturer?
It doesn't matter that they get half the update life, because they cost half as much. And some of them can be unlocked (Hello, Moto) and you can continue to update them yourself if you're motivated. Can't do that with an iDevice.
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That is always rollled out. The avergage user does not care about updates though. It's only somewhat more applicable to apple as they start insisting on minimum levels for apps. Whereas I'm sure google will still let you target a much lower api.
As for you android ramblings. Get a pixel. No idea why you would get anything else. In the early days I used samsung as they were best for hardware. I however in no way actually used the abomination samsung tried to provide as an OS! Samsung android is my work phone.
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How many 6 year old androids still get software updates from the manufacturer?
How many want to? I see nothing but complaints from Apple owners about their 3 year old phones slowing to a crawl due to newer OSes being ever more bloated. I have zero desire or inclination to run the latest shiny piece of shit.
Even my girlfriend has a standing notification on her phone that an OS upgrade is ready to install on her relatively new Android. She's been hitting ignore for the best part of 5 months.
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There are pros and cons to both. Had a screen crack on my Pixel. Walked into a store and after about an hour the screen was replaced. Had to replace a battery in an iPad which took days and a possibility that I would loose all the content.
I have a Pixel 2, almost 5 years now, and it still gets updates and the battery lasts the day. Nothing sluggish or buggy about it.
The problem I have with both ecosystems is that they tie you in and you don't realize it until something goes wrong. I good example is the iOS/
Re: it always amazed me (Score:2)
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The hardware is better and I get security updates for many years. Are you really an adult and using the word sheeple?
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Apple products come with a price premium and are also a bit of a fashion statement. So the US having a higher disposable income [wikipedia.org] probably leads to being more willing to spend on conspicuous consumption.
Re:it always amazed me (Score:5, Insightful)
the high share apple gets in the US. in Europe it's like 70% android. What are the factors? american company? too many sheeple?
What people want. Having both iPhone and Android - they both work.
I'm in a subset of wanting privacy, as well as enjoying the better way my iphones integrate with my Mac computer, and with my wife and my Jeeps. And Apple does do this better.
And having Android also, I know from first hand experience.
But, the idea that a person is mentally deficient based on their choice is just part of the Ford Versus Chevy mindset where people have a deep seated need to believe that they made the smart choice, and those who don't make the same choice is some sort of stupid enemy.
The only useful aspect of either is that you can have a lot of fun trolling them.
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>Having both iPhone and Android - they both work. that still makes you an iBitch
Just about as weak as it gets my precious little cabana boy - bring up your troll game, lest I be convinced I'm in a battle of wits with a completely unarmed person. One more chance for you, Spanky. Than I shall ignore you, because I save my better stuff for the worthy.
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the high share apple gets in the US. in Europe it's like 70% android. What are the factors? american company? too many sheeple?
Android and iOS users are all sheeple. People will be happier with phones similar to what other people around them have. Only a very small minority of people will switch to a new thing when other people around them haven’t already switched.
People like to dwell on that Android phones have a shorter time before they are replaced compared to iPhones and that Android phones are often cheaper than iPhones, but that makes very little difference.
In the meantime, outside the US, nobody cares (Score:5, Informative)
Worldwide market share of IOS is 25% versus 75% for Android. In Asia, it is even higher for Android.
Outside of the US, there is no battle, as Android has clearly won.
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Yes Android "won" the crappy sub-$100 phone market in places like India and China where people barely have enough to eat and authoritarian regimes demand access to your phone on a whim. Congratulations on your stunning achievement.
Meanwhile, the civilized world continues to value well made products over cheapest price. There's a reason
Re: In the meantime, outside the US, nobody cares (Score:2)
Whatâ(TM)s the iPhone share in the âoe$399 and overâ market? If Apple wanted 50% share everywhere, they could by that at little cost.
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In worldwide app market revenue iOS has 65% and Android has 35%.
Worldwide there is no battle, as iOS has clearly won.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. On iOS, there's a lot more apps that you have to pay for, whereas on Android you can find apps with similar functionality for free.
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The only reason to get an Android phone over an iPhone is so you don't have to install iTunes.
I know you're probably joking, but that's exactly why I dumped my first iPhone, which was 3G. I hated having the phone practically tethered to my computer, and it was random whether iTunes would notice the phone was plugged in. And of course it kept messing up my music collection on the phone anyway with duplicated albums and ones that had each track split into their own album. Over time it became worse and worse.
Androids have got more expensive than they used to (Score:1)
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Everything has gotten more expensive, but there are still good options if you don't want to spend over $500.
Sure. My point though is the "mainstream" Android universe as a whole has indeed got more expensive. It's not as much of a slam dunk, price-wise, for the average consumer anymore.
Privacy Sells (Score:2)
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The key to privacy on any phone is to not put private stuff on them. Consider it a hostile device that WILL leave your possession at some point, and its security is meant more to inconvenience the owner than to stop an adversary.
This is a difficult concept for those who see their phone as their only access to the world, and willingly trust their most secret information to it. Activating the maximum security level of the device doesn't occur to them, after they figure out how inconvenient it is.
New activation is not new people in the ecosystem (Score:2)
I have a 3 years old Android, the others members of the familly have 5 to 7 years old Android phones.
Find a people with an Apple that have a 3 years old phone, impossible.
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I have an iPhone SE. The old one. Got it in 2016. Still serves as my main phone. I don't even have a work phone at this point, and the five year old Apple works as good as new. Better, actually, since the OS is so much better now.
I'm considering getting a 12 when the next generation is released, because the camera is so good. But that is the only reason I would upgrade. The old SE still does all I need, and it also takes good photos. It just can't hold a candle to modern cameras when it comes to night shoot
$100 Androids do the job for me (Score:1)
I just don't need all the latest/greatest crap. $100 Android with $10 a month Airvoice service is all I need. Still using an S5 I got about 3 years ago for $100. It does everything I need.
$1000+ for an iPhone? Might be worth it to some people, not me.
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That is a good point. I don't like the Apple UI, e.g. the lack of back button and the slower switch between apps are major issues for me compared to my current Android (Xiaomi Mi Mix 3), however, while I can use any iPhone reasonably well if I pick it up (just finding them limited compared to my own), including older ones. On the other hand, I am suddenly at a loss with several Android phones, I have to struggle to find how the UI works even on some new ones. And for a beginner (i.e. an old person getting t
Re: Consistency (Score:2)
I have to hand the iPhone to my girlfriend to get anything done. I can't figure out how anything works on it.
I can pick up any Android and they all seem to work pretty much identically, with the only variation being how the soft buttons work.
Guess it's what you're used to.
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I have to hand the iPhone to my girlfriend to get anything done. I can't figure out how anything works on it.
I can pick up any Android and they all seem to work pretty much identically, with the only variation being how the soft buttons work.
Guess it's what you're used to.
It's exactly the that.
My fiancé is an apple user and I am an android user and we have a tough time doing anything on each other's phones.
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I have to hand the iPhone to my girlfriend to get anything done. I can't figure out how anything works on it.
I can pick up any Android and they all seem to work pretty much identically, with the only variation being how the soft buttons work.
Guess it's what you're used to.
It's exactly the that.
My fiancé is an apple user and I am an android user and we have a tough time doing anything on each other's phones.
That just such a strange thing to me. I own IOS, and Android. My wife uses her Mac Tablet but switches seamlessly to my Samsung in the living room. since she likes a few apps better on it.
Is this a problem of individual apps, or is it the basic interface?
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For me on iPhone, it's mostly about not knowing how to get back to where I just was. Android has a dedicated back button, so this is really easy on any Android phone. IPhone apps don't often have a back button, and there's no consistency in how it's handled between apps. So, I tap the wrong thing, stare at the screen for a few seconds looking to undo what I just did, and then hand it back for assistance.
To me, every iPhone app looks different. They all have made their own fancy decisions about basic navigat
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Don’t take 10 seconds to rtfm or anything.
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ios double click on the home button brings up an app switcher or alternatively ask siri and you will be switched to that app. e.g "open google maps" with the relatively cramped phone UI the less navigation the better so you can concentrate on what you are doing. Basically any iPhone from a 6 upwards works well. Can't say the same with android phones, i really got sick of forced close and this app is not responding. Higher end android should be better.
you also find apple devices work well together. I have p
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you also find apple devices work well together. I have patchy cell phone coverage at home and being able to leave my phone in a room with coverage and take calls on my iPad is useful.
I still have some android devices but they are buggy although i have 2 or 3 apps that are only on android. I guess i'm not so typical as I use linux osx and windows.
Yes - my iPhone makes phone calls and texts from my Mac. The level of integration I have with my phone, real computer, and all my vehicles just doesn't exist outside the Mac ecosystem. What's more, they just happen out of the box, with a minimum of futzing about.
In addition, updates with new features happen - my android devices got updates for maybe a year, then they are frozen.
Now if someone prefers Android - then that's cool. But As I noted, the integration just happens.
And let's not forget that M
Impossible (Score:4, Insightful)
Science Fiction author, Jerry Pournelle, was on a tech podcast talking about iPhone vs. Android. I think this quote from him perfectly describes the situation:
"Everything the iPhone is designed to do, it does flawlessly. It's just that everything else is utterly impossible."
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Science Fiction author, Jerry Pournelle, was on a tech podcast talking about iPhone vs. Android. I think this quote from him perfectly describes the situation:
"Everything the iPhone is designed to do, it does flawlessly. It's just that everything else is utterly impossible."
Okay - explain that. Since the premise is that the Android smartphone is superior because you can do anything on it, yet outside of apps you purchase from the app store, the iphone does absolutely nothing else.
Your Boy Jerry is pretty obviously a fanboi of Android. He's also quite wrong. And I do find it funny that so many of us get all spun up about a phone. If you want or need flexibility and top notch computing ability, get a real computer, not these toys.
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Lol, no. The implied premise is more like:
iPhone - extremely reliable at the expense of flexibility
Android - extremely flexible at the expense of reliability
Honestly, no phone religion or fanboi-ism involved.
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Lol, no. The implied premise is more like:
iPhone - extremely reliable at the expense of flexibility Android - extremely flexible at the expense of reliability
Honestly, no phone religion or fanboi-ism involved.
Now I don't quite buy into the the idea that the iphone is inflexible, but okay.
Really though, are people trying to do cutting edge research on these things? iOS or Android - it's a toy. It's an appliance.
I have my desktops and laptops to create and work on projects. I have occasionally used a phone as a wifi transmitter finder, but even then, if I have my laptop with touchscreen - that works a lot better than either iPhone or Android - I've tried both. (the laptop isWindows though - don't want to mud
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My experience with iOS is that "One size fits some." I don't agree with Jerry Pournelle about much of anything but if you bump up against something you expect to be able to do and can't, it's intolerable. I haven't touched an iOS device in a good long while, but some examples I can recall are how limited the options are to share data between applications, not being able to download and store arbitrary files from the browser, having extremely inconsistent UI navigation and having very limited direct control
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My experience with iOS is that "One size fits some." I don't agree with Jerry Pournelle about much of anything but if you bump up against something you expect to be able to do and can't, it's intolerable.
Ad a desktop user, I find trying to do actual work on these toys pretty intolerable. And yeah, they are toys.
I haven't touched an iOS device in a good long while, but some examples I can recall are how limited the options are to share data between applications, not being able to download and store arbitrary files from the browser, having extremely inconsistent UI navigation and having very limited direct control over files on the device.
I think that things have changed quite a bit since then.
I can also remember the iOS keyboard being absolute garbage (hitting shift changed the COLOR rather than the case of the letters; the letters on the keyboard always showed uppercase)
Yeah - not certain when that was. I started with the iPhone 5, and the keyboard was always normal. I wouldn't mind if it had a ".com" key like on my Androids.
and the inability to set proper defaults for applications.
If something about iOS bothers you, chances are there's not a damned thing you can do about it aside from move off the platform.
This might be part of the haven't used in a long time issue also. Using both OS', they seem pretty similar to me.
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Speaking to the idea of doing work as in my paid job on one? I'd rather not, but I HAVE. I can open a VPN and remote in to systems if I have to. It sucks to do that, no matter the mobile device, but it beats having to come home from vacation a couple days early. For some values of real work, for example editing photos, a phone or tablet might be just fine.
As far as things changing, the only one I'm aware has actually changed is that at some point the iOS keyboard did finally start displaying lowercase chara
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Speaking to the idea of doing work as in my paid job on one? I'd rather not, but I HAVE. I can open a VPN and remote in to systems if I have to. It sucks to do that, no matter the mobile device, but it beats having to come home from vacation a couple days early. For some values of real work, for example editing photos, a phone or tablet might be just fine.
Yikes! Yes, I could do work on the phone. It would be kind of tortuous though. But then again, I always took a laptop with me on vacation or offsite.
There was absolutely no reason for the keyboard not to visually change case when shift was pressed. Seeing that told me everything I needed to know about iOS.
Decisions are all valid, but if you judge a OS forever by something you saw years ago, well - that's not my metric. I;ve seen some early Android implementations that were laughable. And I'm okay with what I have now. Regardless, if Android checks all your boxes, that's what counts.
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Okay, can an iPhone now get the reception information of a sent SMS? Because on the first models (I stopped paying attention after the iPhone 4), this feature wasn't implemented by Apple.
If you mean if it shows if the message was delivered or not- yes.
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Yes, cool, thanks for answering. Would be great if you happened to know from which model iPhone this was made possible...
The original iPhone I had was the 5. I'm pretty sure it had the delivered notice. That was back in 2012, IIRC.
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Unfortunately that's bullshit. Apple devices are still flaky as fuck. One of my coworkers leaves one of his iPhones at work so we can use it to listen to music in his absence (Sirius streaming, among other things.) And it's fucking lame. It's not just the bad, undiscoverable UI, it's also that it chokes randomly throughout the day, and that the bluetooth will disconnect randomly and then not reconnect.
The whole idea that Apple stuff works better than Android is a dumb one
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Unfortunately that's bullshit. Apple devices are still flaky as fuck.
Yep. Work handed out iPhones when COVID started because they're able to lock them down far more than Android devices. There's a bug in the current release of iOS (well, maybe not, a new release dropped yesterday which hasn't been pushed yet) that causes the home screen to stop launching apps. You can watch the icon dim, and then nothing happens. No way to fix it other than to reboot the phone.
One of my coworkers leaves one of his iPhones at work so we can use it to listen to music in his absence (Sirius streaming, among other things.)
The music stuff is also hilarious. There's a glitch where when you connect to a Bluetooth device that has "remote co
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And it's fucking lame. It's not just the bad, undiscoverable UI, it's also that it chokes randomly throughout the day, and that the bluetooth will disconnect randomly and then not reconnect.
Interesting. I DO agree that many mobile apps and interfaces have bad, undiscoverable UIs (particularly the new buttonless Androids and iPhones), but I would 100% apply the "undiscoverable" description to both systems, and I think Google is the worst offender!
Every time I use Google Maps now (or even Youtube app) it seems like there are different panels or trays or menus that need to be activated by some inscrutable swipe / drag / swipe-from-edge.
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Bluetooth acting like that is usually a sign the phone has been dropped, and and antenna inside is loose. I've had that happen. Never found Apple to have flaky Bluetooth otherwise. On the contrary, it's always been very stable and solid. Some devices won't connect, but that's true of each and every BT implementation I have ever used and is very rare (usually older devices, or Chinese noname devices). But those that do connect are rock solid, barring broken hardware.
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Want consistency? Get a specific android vendor.
Want it to be good. Get a pixel. I still get "upset" though. OH does not want to use gesture based and wants the old soft buttons on the bottom (though at least they are the right way round (gestures towards samsung)).
I would never use iphone either though I am increasingly lookign at android that way. Maybe it's the early 2000s again and I will have a phone and internet access point and a real device to do things on again! I will look at other options first
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A Google Pixel costs as much as an Apple, and are only given 3 years OS upgrades compared to Apple's 6 years.
I see no reason to pay as much for an inferior phone, and then have to replace it twice as often.
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Maybe Apple users are driven up the wall by changes I never hear about because I don't know anyone with an iPhone.
Nah, mostly we just se that you don't know anyone with an iphone, yet are the expert on how apple sucks. We're quite used to that kind of expert.
Before you start calling me an Apple fanboi, I have both Apple and Android.
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Maybe Apple users are driven up the wall by changes I never hear about because I don't know anyone with an iPhone.
Nah, mostly we just se that you don't know anyone with an iphone, yet are the expert on how apple sucks. We're quite used to that kind of expert.
Doesn't mean I have never known anyone with an iPhone. And, in fact, I used to have one from work before they gave me the S9 instead. I've used them enough to know the UI is really horrible but not over a long succession of models so I don't know how change is handled. I do see people at work using them and to my casual glance they look very similar over the years but these aren't really people I know so I'm not hearing them talk about their phones much.
Before you start calling me an Apple fanboi, I have both Apple and Android.
I see you lack self-awareness.
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Before you start calling me an Apple fanboi, I have both Apple and Android.
I see you lack self-awareness.
I'm a flaming asshole as well - The combo is distressing to many.
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>Before you start calling me an Apple fanboi, I have both Apple and Android. That still makes you an iBitch.
Oh my yes. You can have your Ford versus Chevy arguments - its a side effect of how easy it is to get on the internet - used to have to be smart . Now people like you can get on with the gems and witticisms you bring to the intertoobs. Now call me more names and we'll see who owns who, my precious little cabana boy.
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iBitch, I've been able to get on the internet since the 90s, so nice fucking try. Eat shit.
Ouch! Thou hast owned me, with your 'ibitch", nice fucking try", and 'eat shit"
Oh well, people who think that name calling and cursing wins arguments have their rights to spout what they spout as well. Kinda sad though, because you post like a 12 year old who needs to give mommy and daddy's laptop back, and who really needs to make sure they erase their "homework" they've been doing. You know - that special folder with all the pictures in it.
Come on - I'm giving you chances to up your game, and all you
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As someone who has switched to an Android Phone from an iPhone. the iPhone iOS is really consistent. I have the original iPhone in a shelf somewhere. If I charge it up and power it on, it will look and feel a lot like my old iPhone X which my Wife now has.
The big reason I had switch from Apple to Android, was that the Android OS was more flexible, and I had access to Apps that Apple wouldn't allow... However with over a year of using Android as my primary phone OS, giving myself a lot of time to get comf
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> The real reason I don't like either is that they are different from that ancient S5 which I know how to use, does everything I need etc.
Just get something with stock AOSP or buy a refurb for $120 that has LineageOS support and get used to the default interface without any vendor "enhancements".
Some things about the stock interface are sub-par but it doesn't change much from release to release anymore, so it's at least stable.
If you go LineageOS you can even usually survive backups and restores across