Qualcomm's New Snapdragon 870 Reheats the Snapdragon 865 for 2021 Phones (theverge.com) 25
Qualcomm has announced a new mobile phone processor: the Qualcomm Snapdragon 870, a successor to last year's Snapdragon 865 and 865 Plus models. To be clear, the 870 isn't a new next-gen design -- that title goes to the Snapdragon 888, which makes far more substantial improvements in performance and new features. From a report: The 870, on the other hand, is virtually identical to the 865 and 865 Plus, with the same design right down to the Kryo 585 CPU and Adreno 650 GPU cores. The 870 is clocked at 3.2GHz, however, making it about 10 percent faster than the original 865's 2.84GHz and about 3 percent faster than the 865 Plus (which offered 3.1GHz speeds). Think of it almost like a Snapdragon 865 Plus-plus. Qualcomm says that the reason for the new chip is in response to manufacturer and market demands. The 870 is designed for companies that want to offer a top-tier processor but don't need the absolute best features that the flagship Snapdragon 888 offers and the higher price tag that it demands. Instead, the company says that it expects that Snapdragon 870 phones should hit a sub-$800 price tag (although, confusingly, we've already seen Snapdragon 888 phones like the $799 Galaxy S21 start to bleed into that range).
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Instead, the company says that it expects that Snapdragon 870 phones should hit a sub-$800 price tag (although, confusingly, we've already seen Snapdragon 888 phones like the $799 Galaxy S21 start to bleed into that range).
So last year's top end Qualcomm CPU has been overclocked slightly, given a new mobel number, and sells for slightly cheaper--maybe. Is that it?
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At those prices no wonder people are trying to turn cellphones into personal computers. Costs about as much.
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Depending on what you use a computer for.
For most people, Web Browsing, Email and a few small Apps. A Smart Phone does its job really well.
For a lot of people getting a Laptop or a desktop is less about doing more than what you want your cell phone to do. it is just about getting a bigger screen, and more custom input mouse/keyboard.
Samsung, has its DEX feature, which you can plug a monitor, keyboard and mouse to your phone, and you have a usable desktop environment. In practicality, I could actually do m
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* Only for select flagship models and, last I checked, none of Samsung's low-mid range.
It's something I'd be keen to try but not on my budget (saving for a house). Not worth the couple of hundred dollar premium - For $US75 one can get an ARM64 Linux computer such as the RPi 4 with dual video out.
DeX could be a 'killer' feature but will remain a niche as long as market
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So last year's top end Qualcomm CPU has been overclocked slightly, given a new mobel number, and sells for slightly cheaper--maybe. Is that it?
Looks that way. As energy per computation is the real limiter, do not expect any large progress in this space, unless and until one of these persistent "Magic Battery!" announcements actually pans out.
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No, according to an earlier story today Apple's trying to cool things down rather than reheat them.
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Well Apple does need to get cooling under control. After that 20 minutes benchmark that showed Apple chips half in power after 3-4 minutes, it revealed that Apple was kinda faking benchmarks to make their chips look a lot better then they really were. Not to mention that Qualcomm Snapdragon chips are the ones that really blow the A series out of the water.
As usual, a Citation-free Hater. What a surprise...
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https://apple.slashdot.org/story/20/10/17/008226/new-benchmark-shows-iphones-throttle-so-hard-they-lose-their-edge-over-android
Don't go hurting yourself over the facts now.
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Ok, since you must have ignored it in your blind Apple-loving the first time.
https://apple.slashdot.org/sto... [slashdot.org]
Don't go hurting yourself over the facts now.
Your original post said nothing about iPhones. Nevertheless, I am still amazed you tried to use that article.
It says that, after 20 minutes, an iPhone drops to roughly equal to a Snapdragon 865/865+. And it only gave one example of a Qualcomm-equipped phone that seemed to be pretty stable thermally.
So, unless you run benchmarks all day, your so-called throttling-issue seems to be proof-positive that Apple Silicon still trounces (as the article states) anything that Qualcomm can provide.
So, that was your gre
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So, the fact a brand new A series chip (which according to you isn't made by Apple?..) can barely keep up with a year old Snapdragon chip is great progress and somehow puts these on equal footing.. You can really be that dumb.. Can you?
Was the 865 subjected to the same benchmarking as the Ax SoC in the iPhone? If not, then I think the Ax tromped the 865.
Do you not think that Snapdragons thermal throttle under sustained heavy load?
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Well, according to Android Authority, hardly Apple toadies, they tested the passively-cooled M1 MacBook Air.
https://www.androidauthority.c... [androidauthority.com]
When they did their thermal throttling test, they found that the M1 Air throttled a whole 5, not 50, percent after a thorough heat-soaking.
BTW, that was just the first random review I looked at; not some cherry-picked article that had an outlier result.
Oh, and an article I read that did throttling tests of the M1 Air, Mac mini and MacBook Pro actually showed that the f
As Usual, Qualcomm's Got Nothin' (Score:2)
Poor Qualcomm; over 10 years to catch up with Apple's SoCs, and yet all they got is to try to clock their same old broke-ass, power-hungry SoCs faster, making them even more power-hungry.
Nice try, Qualcomm!
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Reheats? (Score:1)
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Although, based on the fact that the clock speed seems to have been increased, I expect that "more heat" is indeed a new feature. Maybe that's what the editors were going for.
It's not last generation's processor (Score:2)
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designed for companies that want to offer a top-tier processor but don't need the absolute best features that the flagship Snapdragon 888 offers
So in other words its designed for people that DON'T actually want to offer a top-tier processor; but want marketing materials that make it sound like they do.
This is new... and good... in the mobile space. (Score:2)
The story here is that mobile processors now have room to grow. In the old days and still today, desktop processors would have room to grow as well, with overclocking options and advanced cooling set ups.
Mobile processors have never really had that flexibility. But Qualcomm is clearly finding efficiencies in their semi-custom SoCs that enable a sort of Good / Better / Best version of the platforms over their lifecycle. That should result in more advanced features waterfalling down to lower pricing tiers, wi