French President Emmanuel Macron Compares 5G Opponents To Amish (euractiv.com) 147
neutrino38 writes: "France is the country of the Enlightenment, it is the country of innovation [...] We are going to debunk all false ideas. Yes, France is going to take the 5G turning point because it is the turning point of innovation," Macron insisted in front of a hundred French Tech entrepreneurs gathered at the Elysee. "I hear a lot of voices saying that the complexity of contemporary problems should be addressed by returning to the oil lamp! I don't think that the Amish model can solve the challenges of contemporary ecology," the head of state said.
Meanwhile, AT&T's 5G network was found to be slower than 4G, and in China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption. Welcome to the future.
Meanwhile, AT&T's 5G network was found to be slower than 4G, and in China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption. Welcome to the future.
Not a good comparison (Score:5, Insightful)
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The Amish can actually use cars, they just have to have someone else drive it for them. 5G conspiracy theorists can't even go near it.
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The Amish are actually entirely pragmatic about technology. They will use it for work purposes, even themselves. I live near "Amish Country" and many contractors/builders/landscapers are actually young Amish who readily use machinery and cell phones and and all the same stuff we do, but just for work. When they go back home they store the things away. But others, when an Amish family has someone diabetic, they will have a fridge in the barn for the insulin. Many communities have a phone box in the center for emergencies.
Other posters are correct. The Amish do not see technology as evil. They do not look down on others for using it. They see all non-essential luxury as a distraction from matters particular to their spirituality.
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Wish I could mod you up. You're entirely correct. Macron meant Luddites, but it's probably bad form to denigrate the English until a final trade deal with the EU is agreed and Trump makes it so much easier to pick on the US, so he went with the Amish.
Re:Not a good comparison (Score:5, Informative)
Thanks.
I wanted to add for others that may see it to that in spite of many media portrayals of the Amish as insular and unfriendly to non-Amish, nothing could be further from the truth. Obviously there are good and bad in every group, but on the average, Amish folks are lovely people and good neighbors.
And one thing I'll say, differences in belief aside, Amish believers are extremely true to their message. Just one example. Non-violence, avoidance of anger/rage and forgiveness are important to them. Years ago there was an outsider that took hostages at a Amish school for young girls. He ended up killing 5 girls and wounding 3 others. He died. There was an outpouring of support for the Amish families and millions of dollars were donated. Almost immediately the families announced that they wanted to divert some of the money to provide support for the widow of the gunman which they promptly did and AFAIK continue to provide money to her to this day. I mean I got to admire people who can lose their children to violence and turn around to immediately start caring for others who are not only not tied to their community but to the very person that hurt them so terribly.
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Growing up and as a teen to twenty year old I had the pleasure of knowing several Amish families in southern Iowa. There were a couple of families we bought supplies from (real home-made butter, fresh eggs, stone ground flour) and one that did quilting for extra money to keep their farm equipment in shape. They always struck me as some of the most relaxed and friendly folks I'd ever met. Their kids were always curious about the little techno-baubles I had at the time, such as my walkman or my watch calcu
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Four, even an oil lamp is an improvement compared to a torch. While 5G is not yet an improvement compared to 4G.
Not on AT&T it's not anyway.
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Slashdot 4500BC:
That Oil Lamp wasn't as bright as a torch, nore can you use it to keep warm, or ward off nomads as effectively, Lame!
I have ATT 5G in spots in my area (Averaging over 100mbs). And for me is is faster than 4G (Averaging around 30mbs), it is also faster than my home Cable Internet Connection (Runs a shy under 100mbs). I am not saying the news articles are wrong, I expect currently on average 5G may be slower than 4G is currently. due to lack of full deployment, weaker signals... However it h
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" While 5G is not yet an improvement compared to 4G."
This raises a question that Google has proven unable to answer:
If one ignores, for the moment, the MMwave changes and other frequency allocations, and concentrates solely on the software-side issues, is there a good description of what 5G does? To put it another way, if I applied everything in 5G but used an existing LTE Band 17 / 700Mhz frequency, what changes?
I ask, because I recall one of the Apple iPhone shows talking about how great VoLTE was going t
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To put it another way, if I applied everything in 5G but used an existing LTE Band 17 / 700Mhz frequency, what changes?
Primarily MU-MIMO and better beamforming. 5G cells can handle many antennas, so if you are in luck then you will get your very own beam (or multiple beams, if there are reflective paths available) dedicated to you whenever you need it. 4G supports fewer antennas per cell, so it is more likely that you have to wait for your turn. The fewer antennas in 4G also mean that beamforming is less effective, wasting power on transmitting to places where you are not.
The downside with 5G is that currently the calculati
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That 4G is as good as 5G now doesn't mean that 5G is not an improvement.
Wireless networks have a fundamental limitation that wired networks don't have, in the name of Shannon's theorem. There is limited amount of information a given bandwidth can carry. With wires, it is not that much of a problem since every wire (or fiber) is a separate channel, you have also more control over background noise. But antennas are area-based and at some point it becomes too much to cover every device unless you start install
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Should. ... or will sell it anyway without checking and then not deliver until you call them and sort it out.
That is getting increasingly difficult here in Sweden, and I'm suspecting in other places too. It is as if a smartphone with a fresh version of Android or iOS has become a prerequisite for full citizenship over here.
You'd need a special smartphone app to do things such as accessing your medical records on-line (even if it is on the computer), getting unemployment benefits, and to do your tax returns online -- while options of doing it off-line are getting increasingly difficult or removed altogether.
Many online stores don't ship packages to people without a cellphone number
Some shops even want your cellphone number when you are there in person to pay, pick up the item and go.
I'm not a luddite. If I were, I wouldn't be on this forum. But there must be some limits. People want freedom. And online public services must be vendor-neutral, using open standards.
Re:Not a good comparison (Score:4, Insightful)
Same in Finland. And the thing is, the administration, the banks... almost everybody requires you to install a special app that's only available from Google's app store. If you don't have - or don't want - a Google account, you're SOL because half of those apps aren't available on Aptoide, APKPure or F-Droid, or they're out of date.
In short: if you want to function in Finland, you need to be registered with Google. No Google, no banking, no getting a doctor's appointment, no getting your payslips...
It's fucking crazy! How someone in the government doesn't balk at the idea of Google being the gatekeeper to everybody's life in the country, I'll never know...
Re:Not a good comparison (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, the New World Order conspiracy guys got one thing right - the existence of the NWO.
Where they go totally off the rails is when they try to work out the details. They think Bill Gates has some grand microchip vaccine plan, or that Joe Biden is the spearhead, or some dude named Soros is pulling the strings. Sorry, the microchip's already in your hand. And you voluntarily paid a month's rent to buy it, and you spend every waking hour staring at it, and it's making you retarded. No vaccine necessary. No 5G necessary - although it helps.
Yeah, the plot to that movie is a little less exciting, but it's the movie you're in.
Estonia and 2FA authentication (Score:2)
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Oh don't worry. Right when we get everything 100% digital with no form of physical remaining, the sun will be nice enough to finally hit us with CME like the 1859 Carrington Event.
I get hate for suggesting we keep some coal plants around, some form of pre 80s way of conducing business,etc in the event our tech fails us. In winter I keep a kerosene heater around. You never know when the power will go out preventing the furnace from firing.
It seems societies function in only absolutes. We must ALL do it this
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> some form of pre 80s way of conducing business
Way ahead of you:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/
Used to have rooms filled with desks with rotary phones where the fed would relocate when the bombs started falling. You can see them in The Day the Universe Changed IIRC.
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Exactly that is the problem.
But I do not give just about anyone my number. So I have a second phone with a number I am happy to share...
Which is of course pretty much the opposite of being able to live without a phone.
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One, Amish are peaceful and don't try to burn down car dealerships. Two, Amish don't spread rumours that cars are the devil's work, they are quite Ok with everyone else driving cars. Three, anyone should be free not to use a mobile phone if they don't want to.
I agree, it you are going to compare them to a religious group, 5G opponents are more like Byzantine Iconoclasts.
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I wouldn't expect a French President to really understand a group of Americans from German Ancestry. They are Amish communities spread across the US, but Pennsylvania is their largest area. My home is in walking distance of a Mennonites (Similar values, but they will use technology a little more. Eg their furniture shop has an impressive array of solar panels, they will drive cars to the grocery stores etc... )
But we confuse these people religious rejection of conveniences to be anti-technology.
The Amish
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Actually Amish do have cellphones. They don't bring them into the house because they interfere with proper family life, but they often have them. They're kept in a small enclosure outside of the main house.
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The Amish I've recently come to know a bit in the area of my new rural home seem like the opposite of crazy. I'm not keen on their whole "no dancing/no playing musical instruments" thing, but they like to sing (which is good) and they don't bother nobody or try to convert you to their way of thinking and they will help you if you need helping. Also, they make some kick-ass food and furniture that will last until your grandkids have grandk
Lost in translation (Score:5, Informative)
"Amish" in French doesn't have the same meaning as in the US. We don't have Amish communities in France since the 1900s and for us the word does not refer to the existing US people. It's a French idiom that simply means "people that refuse technological progress by all means".
Just like "negro" means "black" (the color) in Spanish, it would be unfair to keep the work without having in mind that the meaning is different.
I know /. is very US centric, but the world does not revolves around the US. If the last 4 years indicate anything, the rest of the world couldn't care less about the US at the moment. If you want to have a meaningful opinion on what Macron said, you'd better not interpret his sentences based on what you think it means with your US biases, but try to do some research to understand what it actually means.
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Finally. Thanks. Macron might not have been fair to the current Amish population, but please stay calm. This was simply a message for French people. He didn't even speak English (thank god).
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> anyone should be free not to use a mobile phone if they don't want to.
I agree with that, but I think the ship has sailed. It is difficult to have a job, or to see a doctor, or even to file taxes, without a mobile phone. Even restaurants are starting to ask for your number.
EV charging is also a complete no go without a smartphone.
The Amish are VERY misunderstood... (Score:2)
particularly by the non-religious -- and we should remember that the French revolution was very different from the American revolution. The French revolution was a secular one with a large anti-[Catholic]Church element due to the centuries-long ties between the Catholic Church and the royals.
The Amish are not dumb, nor are they "technophobic". They are however much more devoted to an old religious principle of not being outwardly prideful or boastful, not flaunting things, not being extravagant, etc. Their
Not a fair comparison (Score:3, Insightful)
Better Comparison (Score:2)
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Still not a fair comparison (Score:3, Interesting)
The Amish aren't paranoid conspiracy morons lacking in critical thinking skills. Unlike anti-5G protestors.
5G is in some cases slower than other company's 4G networks, it takes up wide swaths of valuable radio spectrum, costs multiple billions of dollars, and cell phone data usage is not going to get any cheaper for its implementation. Comparing your comment to 5G's merits, I'm not sure it's the 5G protestors' critical thinking that is challenged.
But it's still not a fair comparison. Or, to be correct, I don't know enough about the Amish to know if comparing them to 5G protestors is fair or not. Thing is, I s
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Everyone is religious.
There are some who believe that there is a God, and their philosophy of life flows from this belief.
There are others who believe there is no God, and their philosophy of life flows from this belief.
Neither belief can be scientifically tested, making either belief a matter of faith.
YOU TOO have beliefs that you cannot prove, making you religious as well.
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YOU TOO have beliefs that you cannot prove, making you religious as well.
That's a load of crap. That's absolutely not what religion is.
Strawman much? (Score:4, Insightful)
> Meanwhile, AT&T's 5G network was found to be slower than 4G, and in China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption. Welcome to the future.
Obviously he's not talking about people criticizing the technical details if 5G. He's talking about people saying 5G is mass genocide and causes Covid-19.
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The simple answer to this is social media should just close these groups for the danger they pose, and if that's too much then stop promoting them. i.e. don't show them in the searches, don't recommend them, don't share, don't advertise to them, don't monetize them at all. Let them exist but don't make the problem worse by making them easy to find or easy to stumble across by accident.
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Censorship is such an easy thing when you know that you're always right.
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remove liability (Score:2)
Allow the legal creation of fake self-harm communities etc. The gullible people will remove themselves from the gene pool and then maybe humanity will be able to handle technological progress. We (humanity) certainly can't handle the tech we already have.
Idealistic zero censorship does not work past the 18th century; something has to be done as it's getting worse. We have had chemical and biological weapons for centuries which have been closely guarded secrets... or at least IQ blocked, preventing easy acc
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The simple answer to this is social media should just close these groups for the danger they pose, and if that's too much then stop promoting them
Ahh, if only it were that easy. Do we *really* want big tech corps closing down whatever they decide is "dangerous"? Because once that is viewed as okay and mainstream, "dangerous" immediately becomes "whatever is less profitable" -- regardless of your politics.
To be clear, I agree that the Internet is indeed causing huge mental health issues and giving the st
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Idiots are a fact of life. It doesn't matter how accessible you make information. A quarter of the population has an IQ of 90 or lower. 10% don't have an IQ higher than 80. These people can vote and have internet access. The noise is inevitable.
"You can't fix stupid, so don't even try..." - Ron White
Related question: what's the point of 5G? (Score:3, Interesting)
There is literally nothing I want to do with my phone that can't be done with 4G/LTE. I regularly get 50megs+ download/upload and I can't think of a single-user use case that needs substantially more than that. I used to get 80megs+ before, but they seem to have reduced it a bit, they could just unthrottle it if they wanted to.
I live in Dublin, Ireland btw, having good internet is more the rule than the exception.
Re:Related question: what's the point of 5G? (Score:5, Insightful)
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The quote that slashdot loves to tout, that isn't even correct. 640k should be enough for everybody.
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The fact that it's not even correct makes it even more applicable here.
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I used to get 80megs+ before, but they seem to have reduced it a bit, they could just unthrottle it if they wanted to.
The throttling is to make room for more traffic. Kind of the whole point of going to a faster standard on new/recovered spectrum. And you're possibly in a less dense area for bandwidth usage so you may not benefit as much - but why would you maintain the old standards solely for less densely populated areas. 5G allows for more densely placed towers in a given area.
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There is literally nothing I want to do with my phone that can't be done with 4G/LTE.
I take it you've never left the basement? Pretty much everything you do with 4G/LTE can't be done if you have more than 10000 people in close proximity to you. 5G isn't about some magical speed, it literally brings hundreds of changes to the mobile standards including opening up different frequencies, MASSIVELY increasing the subscriber count per base (yep you actually will be able to use your phone in a football stadium). It brings many changes which benefit the shitton of future subscribers that are being
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The point of 5G is to give cell carries something that lets them charge you more money for your cell service.
Waiting for the amish to storm /. with comments (Score:5, Funny)
It might take a bit, since they only use IPoAC (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149)
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the worst thing about your comment? I didn't have to look up that RFC..
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When the EMP nuke drops... (Score:3)
...everyone will come running to the Amish to figure out how to survive.
Probably not a good idea to make fun of them. Especially in 2020, when I would expect nothing less than a damn EMP nuke to round out this fucking year.
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No they won't because they're too fat to run.
Fair point.
The "important" pretty ones will die of toxic shock about 17 minutes after social media goes offline. Don't be an Attention Whore kids. Narcissism kills.
The obese ones will last a little longer off fat stores, but they will eventually have to become mobile to find food. This will be rather difficult for the GPS Generation, who can use a paper map about as good as a left-handed logging chainsaw.
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figure out how to survive
Without fertilizers and mechanization? There's not a lot to figure out there, you won't survive (at least not all of you).
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figure out how to survive
Without fertilizers and mechanization? There's not a lot to figure out there, you won't survive (at least not all of you).
The Hype and Bullshit generation, will be short on fertilizer...to their own demise.
Sometimes humans deserve nothing less than Death by Irony.
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...everyone will come running to the Amish
Apprarently that's exactly what we were talking about.
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Groups like the Amish seem to do poorly in pandemics. The local Hutterites had some inter-colony gatherings (funerals and such) and spread COVID around pretty well. And in small insular communities, if one person gets something, everyone does.
I wouldn't be looking to the Amish to survive, unless things get bad enough that 90% of the population has already died.
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...everyone will come running to the Amish to figure out how to survive.
Probably not a good idea to make fun of them. Especially in 2020, when I would expect nothing less than a damn EMP nuke to round out this fucking year.
Not really. Because the Amish do not have a natural cure for radiation sickness, nuclear winter, etc. either. They are just going to die like everybody else.
I was using the term "nuke" loosely here, and specifically used the term EMP for a reason. Sadly, all it would take is modern humans without electronics to kill millions of them. Don't even need radiation sickness or a nuclear winter.
Now, they are an extremist fundamentalist religious sect, make no mistake about that. Fortunately, they are very peaceful. They are uncommon in some other ways, for example that they do allow their children an actual decision to stay or not, but it is a pretty drastic one, so around 90% stay. They are also anti-science, anti-insight, anti-education and exceptionally dogmatic. They think they have absolute truth. The other thing I like about them besides that peacefulness is that they do not go around trying to corrupt others. But they still indoctrinate their children and teaching religion to children falls under "evil" for me, because it is an attack on the integrity of the personality of people that cannot really defend themselves yet.
Every group has good and bad traits about them. Call them what you want. I call it how I see it; they manage to survive and thrive with a hell of a lot less needs, which would serve them well in an environment with crippled electronics.
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...everyone will come running to the Amish to figure out how to survive.
Probably not a good idea to make fun of them. Especially in 2020, when I would expect nothing less than a damn EMP nuke to round out this fucking year.
Not really. Because the Amish do not have a natural cure for radiation sickness, nuclear winter, etc. either. They are just going to die like everybody else.
I was using the term "nuke" loosely here, and specifically used the term EMP for a reason. Sadly, all it would take is modern humans without electronics to kill millions of them. Don't even need radiation sickness or a nuclear winter.
It is not really possible to "EMP" civilization back to the stone-age without causing the other effects. You would more like get temporary crashes, hardware undamaged. A really aggressive computer virus gone wrong may do it though, because that you cannot fix with a reboot.
Now, they are an extremist fundamentalist religious sect, make no mistake about that. Fortunately, they are very peaceful. They are uncommon in some other ways, for example that they do allow their children an actual decision to stay or not, but it is a pretty drastic one, so around 90% stay. They are also anti-science, anti-insight, anti-education and exceptionally dogmatic. They think they have absolute truth. The other thing I like about them besides that peacefulness is that they do not go around trying to corrupt others. But they still indoctrinate their children and teaching religion to children falls under "evil" for me, because it is an attack on the integrity of the personality of people that cannot really defend themselves yet.
Every group has good and bad traits about them. Call them what you want. I call it how I see it; they manage to survive and thrive with a hell of a lot less needs, which would serve them well in an environment with crippled electronics.
They do not thrive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
And fanatical communities of any kind are something to stay away from.
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Did you actually think through what you posted?
The Amish are indeed a religious sect, but not typically classed as "fundamentalist" - they're actually sufficiently unusual that they do not fit into the usual anti-religious parodies tossed about by the non-religious.
The thing about your post that's striking however is your blather about people "indoctrinate their children and teaching religion to children" being "evil" and then the irrational leap to "an attack on the integrity the the personality of people
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Did you actually think through what you posted?
The Amish are indeed a religious sect, but not typically classed as "fundamentalist" - they're actually sufficiently unusual that they do not fit into the usual anti-religious parodies tossed about by the non-religious.
The thing about your post that's striking however is your blather about people "indoctrinate their children and teaching religion to children" being "evil" and then the irrational leap to "an attack on the integrity the the personality of people"... whew!. Without religion, you have no basis for the word "evil" -...
And there I stopped reading. You are one of the fanatics. Religion is not the source of morality in any way. That is just the lie they are spreading after they starting pushing their own messed-up versions on people. Giving religion to children is one of the most evil acts imaginable.
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Slower and slower (Score:2)
Wait for 10G! You will be required to wave to your neighbor in the next cave, because language will no longer exist.
They'll pray for you Macron (Score:2)
5G is not modern innovation. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yeah I'll never need a 64 bit OS that can address more ram than 4gb. Or more than one core because all my software is single threaded...
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Yeah I'll never need a 64 bit OS that can address more ram than 4gb. Or more than one core because all my software is single threaded...
I keep hearing this sort of sentiment...but I'm curious as to what you are thinking the use case will be. I am having trouble coming up with an example that fits the following criteria:
--LTE throughput (theoretical max 740Mbits/sec, real world about 50-200Mbits/sec, latency 20-80ms) is insufficient
--Requires consistent access despite motion which would exceed the range of traditional Wi-Fi deployments
--Is tolerant of the drops and packet losses involved with such movement
--Wouldn't involve the sort of densi
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The obvious use case is any major festival or sporting event. Yes, those are not very realistic right now, but you can hardly blame 5G designers for not anticipating a global pandemic.
Backhaul is not a concern these days, cheap 10Gbps is sufficient for the vast majority of 5G cells.
He is just talking about 5G, isn't he? (Score:3)
Because it sounds more like he thinks he's found a cure for ageing or something. "the turning point of innovation" is a little bit grand, non?
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Maybe mass deployment (real life usage) is the best way to find out what the problems are so they can be corrected. There is very little that springs forth in its final version and is perfect from the get-go.
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AT&T's "5G" being slower than 4G
That's because they've only opened a tiny fraction of their spectrum for 5G - just enough to make the icon appear on the phones. It's still able to push a lot of data with what little it's been given. Just not enough to compete with the 4G network that has the majority of their spectrum. The rest of 5G is waiting on the 3G shutdown.
Yeah, we don't need it yet. We don't need to buy it either. Long-term planning is good - this isn't even nearly as significant as or comparable to the original rollout of co
Imagine that (Score:2)
The first revision of a new technology is big, power hungry and expensive. Look at my shocked face. The same thing was said about LTE when it came out, speeds were slower than 3G initially.
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"China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption."
And somebody has to climb up at night to fill up the virus-containers.
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AT&T's 5G network was found to be slower than 4G, - Because AT&T's implantation is terrible and badly implemented ... and in China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption.
Because they are ones in areas where no one uses them at night - just like most systems have a sleep mode to save power
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Let's not forget the crappy coverage (Score:4, Informative)
IIRC, there was a 5G deployment in a stadium and they couldn't even manage that without dead spots all over the place.
At BEST, 5G is an adjunct to 4G.
Next up, the speed of 5G means you can exhaust your monthly quota in seconds. What's the point in all that speed if you either get it for less than a minute or you need a wheelbarrow full of gold bars to pay your bill?
Interestingly, the 5G 'towers' need a fiber connection to work. The same sluggards that have been moaning that the last mile is just too expensive to connect with fiber for decades now claim that 5G will be everywhere when it needs that last-mile fiber to operate. If they can get fiber close enough to hook up a 5G tower that serves my residence, they can just as easily bring the fiber to my curb. Note: the range of 5G is about 1000 feet. Also note, to serve the homes at the end of my cul de sac the fiber will already have to run along my curb, what do you suppose the odds are they'll let me tap in?
Those aren't wildfires on the west cost, it's just the flaming pants of telco executives.
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the reality is if someone wants to live in the boonies there are many things that won't be as good. Your police and fire dept response time will be longer, your internet options might suck, etc.
something that is good for 95% the people shouldn't be held up because of the 5%. Fuck 'em.
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IN a sports stadium in the city isn't exactly the boonies, now is it? It probably offered less obstructions than a city block in NYC, to boot.
Meanwhile, the telcos are the ones making the big promises about 5G everywhere, super-duper speeds, etc.
Switching off towers at night (Score:2)
This is grasping. 5G is designed to handle a high traffic load. If they don't need that at night then powering it down makes total sense to me.
That's hilarious! (Score:2)
country of the enlightenment (Score:2)
Right, France is the country of the enlightenment. Nice innovation in the 18th century. Also, the time and place of an excellent invention: the guillotine. True innovation.
POWER! (Score:2)
and in China some 5G towers are switched off during the night because of power consumption
Nuclear plants would solve this
Well, he just lost the Amish vote (Score:2)
Is there a large Amish community in France?
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How long have the yellow vests protested now? Is it still every Saturday?
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is it summer season still barely in paris so probably. what do the yellow vests stand for this year?
look, for as long as I remember having watched the news there have been protests in france, at least yearly. what I dislike heavily is when people, yearly, bring up protests that are covered in media as something that's not covered in media, while it's being covered in media.
Look, type any year between 2005 and 2015 and add "france riots", like "2005 france riots". there's content for every year and that's ju
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Because he does not have to. In France, the President is the State and the State is God. The State does not need to explain anything and requires absolute obedience. Going against Macron's will in any way would be... Unadvisable.
Ever been to France?
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Those Americans, so uninterested and uninformed about the rest of the world. Btw I'm not French but from northern Europe.
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Why did this post get modded down?
If I had mod-points, I would have modded this up, as +1 Funny.
Sure, it is sarcasm. That's the friggin point!
But it is also on the point.
5G had been developed largely by Huawei, which is a large supplier to the surveillance apparatus in China. Don't think for a minute that 5G hadn't been developed with surveillance in mind.
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Macron is a dictator and he has used weapons illegal in most civilized countries against protestors, he used gas that have been found to cause severe damages to lungs and has now a ministry of justice known to have reversed a pedo case by demonstrating that an 11years old child victim was incoherent... The child had to suffer an examination of 7 hours straight with a guy who is more a bear than a human. Macron should be shortened of just one head.
That's a nice list of links and sources you've provided there.
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