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Nokia 2.2 Brings Back the Removable Battery (arstechnica.com) 150

HMD is bringing the latest version of the Nokia 2, called the "Nokia 2.2," to the U.S. For $139, it features a notched camera design, a plastic body, and a removable battery. Ars Technica reports: HMD is delivering a good package for the price, with a fairly modern design, the latest version of Android, and a killer update package with two years of major OS updates and three years of security updates. On the front, you have a 5.71-inch, 1520x720 IPS LCD with a flagship-emulating notch design and rounded corners. There's a sizable bezel on the bottom with a big "Nokia" logo on it, but it's hard to complain about that for $140.

This is a cheap phone, so don't expect a ton in the specs department. Powering the Nokia 2.2 is a MediaTek Helio A22 SoC, which is just four Cortex A53 cores at 2GHz. The U.S. version gets 3GB of RAM and 32GB of storage version with an option to add a MicroSD card. The back and sides are plastic, and on the side you'll find an extra physical button, which will summon the Google Assistant. The back actually comes off, and -- get this -- you can remove the 3000mAh battery! Speaking of unnecessarily removed smartphone features from the past, there's also a headphone jack.
Unfortunately, it's missing some key features to keep the price down. There's a microUSB port instead of a USB-C port, no fingerprint reader, and cameras that have low expectations.

Since it is a GSM phone, it will be supported by T-Mobile and AT&T networks, along with all their MVNOs.
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Nokia 2.2 Brings Back the Removable Battery

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  • by slaker ( 53818 ) on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:34PM (#58937210)

    I have an LG V20 that I'm apparently never going to let go because it's the last phone to have both SD card and replaceable battery. It has a respectable set of cameras and I often use it to take video, an area where it excels while my both my DSLR and Micro 4/3rds camera are less capable.

    i know the state of the industry suggests that consumers would rather have waterproofing and of course removable storage leads to uneven user experiences because cards fail or people buy slow cards, but surely somebody has to realize that removable batteries make a lot more sense that tethering to an external battery, and swapping storage cards makes a lot more sense than buying phones with a half-terabyte or more of internal storage.

    I can't be the only one who wants those things, especially not both at the same time.

    • I had an LG V-20.
      Good phone, although the screen was a little big for my tastes.
      You're right about the camera and video, very nice quality. I gave it to a friend's teenager and she's stoked with it.
    • It's not even close to the last phone ... Moto E5 Play and G4 Play also have the trifecta of a headphone jack, uSD, and removable battery.
    • It has a respectable set of cameras and I often use it to take video, an area where it excels while my both my DSLR and Micro 4/3rds camera are less capable.

      I am sure your phone is nice, but your statement above is wrong. Unless you are using a very ancient camera, a real camera will always take better pictures. Learn how to use it and you will see that for yourself. I take a lot of photos both with a Pixel 3 and a Canon 6D Mark 2. There is NO comparison in quality, especially indoors.

      I am sick of that statement. Your phone may take good enough photos for you and if you never view it on anything but your LG V20, you may never notice the difference. View

    • And mine is an S5 Mini

      Small form factor which I like, full sensors and I have unlocked and rooted it.
      I'll be pissed when the next round of "apps" aka "software" require a better SoC - the old SII was just fine..
    • How is LG on software updates? The first and only LG I had Never got an upgrade to Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich), even though It was released 6 months before they released it, and I was only able to get to 2.3 (Gingerbread) because I side loaded firmware from another carrier.

      Even the newer phones I looked at from LG seem to rarely update their phones. The V series and Thin series seem to get updates, but other phones like the Stylo and X Power seem to never get updates. I was interested in the Stylo for t

      • The good news is that if you have a phone that shipped a lot of units, you have a pretty good chance of being able to find a 3rd party ROM that continues it's useful life. This is usually a known quantity before the phone is end-of-sale.

        Don't be bleeding edge and you don't get cut. If the manufacturer decides that they don't need to produce security updates any more, unlock the bootloader and reimage it with something that will.

    • Same here - still using an unlocked and rooted LG V20 running the mk2000 kernel (with custom Kcal to eliminate screen retention even in Oreo). The cameras are even more capable with cstark's 4.2t3 Gcam apk from the Pixel - only thing missing is Night Sight, but he'll hopefully get that ported soon.
    • You hit the nail on the head, and there are a number of other compelling reasons for both the removable battery and the storage cards, so more nails to hit.

      When I had a Samsung S3 it had terrible battery length. So having an extra battery was essential. When I got my LG G4, it had a good battery, so I use it less. However still nice to have when traveling, or camping, or when you just want the convenience of going from 0% to 100% in a few seconds. However another big selling point is that eventually batteri

    • by jon3k ( 691256 )
      For the vast majority of people, batteries easily last all day, so there just is not much demand for removable batteries any more. And with cloud storage no one really needs microSD cards any longer.
  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:40PM (#58937228) Homepage Journal

    Four cores running at 2Ghz? Is this what kids are calling underpowered these days?

    • No, but if your old phone is a Samsung S5 like in my case, you won't jump ship to a slower phone, even though much newer.

    • When everything is javascript and compiled just in time within the browser. When every one of those sites links to 15 different CDNs for their ads and you waste cycles either running them or running a program to block them. When the entire OS is engineered to pester you with alerts to asinine shit and then track everything it can and beam it back to homebase..........Yeah 4 cores at 2Ghz is not enough.

      Its at this point I'd like to remind everyone that there was a time when you could have a full GUI with 3d

    • Because the RPMs an engine runs at dictates peak horsepower and torque, amirite?

      Lots of useless clock cycles per second is still underpowered. See: Pentium 4.

  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Tuesday July 16, 2019 @09:45PM (#58937250) Homepage

    My current phone is a Samsung Galaxy S5. That's the last Samsung phone that had a removable battery. Let's see:

    This is a cheap phone, so don't expect a ton in the specs department...

    But it is so much newer that it is probably fine! Let's compare:

    CPU: Nokia 2 = 4 x Cortex A53 @ 2GHz Galaxy S5 = 4 x Cortex A15 @ 2.1Ghz + 4 x Cortex A7s @ 1.5Ghz. That's comparable!

    RAM: Both have 3GB.

    Storage: Both have 32GB storage + SD card.

    Display: Nokia 2 = 720 IPS, S5 = 1080 OLED. Disappointing...but...fine, fine...

    Camera: Nokia 2 = 13MP, S5 = 16MP camera. Tolerable, although there's more to a camera than megapixels.

    Other: Both have MicroUSB, neither has a fingerprint reader.
     

    Since it is a GSM phone, it will be supported by T-Mobile and AT&T networks

    D'oh! No good in my area. :-(

    • Not the last one -- the current Galaxy J7 and J7 Duo have removable batteries. It's just the last FLAGSHIT phone with a removable battery.
      • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

        oooh... good to know. ...searching... bah, looks inferior to the S5 in every spec. searching more... not sure about the duo specs ... Oh well, thanks for the info.

    • CPU: Nokia 2 = 4 x Cortex A53 @ 2GHz Galaxy S5 = 4 x Cortex A15 @ 2.1Ghz + 4 x Cortex A7s @ 1.5Ghz. That's comparable!

      As I understand it despite being newer the A53 gets substantially lower performance per clock than the A15 because the A15 is an out of order core while the A53 is not.

    • As a fellow Samsung Galaxy S5 user looking to upgrade, I very deeply hate/love you for this post.

      Essentially, I should stay put.

  • Might be a worthy replacement for my G4 Play if it ever dies.

    Headphone jack means I can use $10 headphones, listen while charging, and connect it to old cars w/o Bluetooth.
    SD card means I can stay cloudfree.
    Removable battery means I can keep it for 4-5 years.

    Seriously, love it :)

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  • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:22AM (#58937670)

    Love the idea. So here is the challenge, Nokia.... bring the replaceable battery to your higher end offerings (faster CPU, without removing the SD card or headphone jack) and I will probably leave the Moto G line...

    Oh, for the love of whatever, companies, please stop it with moving any controls/sensors/readers on the BACK of the phone. Side or front ONLY please!

  • Manufacturing outsourced to Foxconn. citation: https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org] Sweat shops a go-go : https://web.archive.org/web/20... [archive.org] But my fellow North Americans say, "well at least the Chinese have jobs". Oddly enough, those same people who say that also have kids and I am pretty sure, that unless they really hate their kids, they would not want them working under such conditions. Things are not much better with Samsung and Apple. Heck, I am not even getting into coltan and the way that is extracted.
    • What the hell eco-friendly, sustainable fair trade device are you posting this from? Unicorn Phone? Slacktivist hypocrite.
      • The ideas are simple and something that ought to be applied pretty much anywhere in the world; sustainable living wages, safe work environs, reasonable hours of work. These are concepts even a so-called 'communist' country, like China, ought to be able to grasp. As for sourcing the materials from places like Congo, where coltan is extracted, the same. Pay a fair value for these products. It will certainly not make Nokia, Samsung, Apple et al any poorer and make all the world of difference to these workers.
  • Really? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ledow ( 319597 ) on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:27AM (#58938098) Homepage

    Sold.

    "Unfortunately, it's missing some key features to keep the price down. There's a microUSB port instead of a USB-C port, no fingerprint reader, and cameras that have low expectations."

    Seems like a bonus all round to me. Have never used a fingerprint reader on a phone (and wouldn't want to), all my cables for microUSB anyway (but if I desperately needed to upgrade, USB-C->micro adaptors are pence), and I use my camera precisely for "Oh, take a photo of that so I don't forget" in work, etc. That's it.

    This is the phone we've been looking for.

    Just a shame it had to come from Nokia! Come on, big players, realise where the sales are now that you've saturated to $1000 phone market.

    • Actually you're missing out by not using a fingerprint reader. Properly implemented they make it alot quicker for you (and only you) to get into the phone. I would never go back to passwords or patterns. But hey, keep burying your head in the sand if that works for you.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I like passwords that I cannot give away without consent or extensive coercion.

        A permanent, never changing password that I can be forced to give up without my knowledge or consent? No thank you.

        Do I need to worry about this? In reality, probably not. I'm not a journalist and it's not like I'm protecting state secrets.

        At the same time, most people don't need to lock their doors or phones at all. Statistically very few people are going to need any sort of protection. Anecdotally, I've never left my phone

      • by ledow ( 319597 )

        A scan of my fingerprint is neither necessary nor sufficient to prove that I'm eligible and willing to unlock my mobile phone.

        And *every* fingerprint reader has been defeated with primitive techniques.

        And smartphone fingerprint readers aren't the same as, say, a fingerprint reader on a police computer identification device (which they do have!). Instead it merely reduces the fingerprint to a string of codepoints, sufficient that errors and slight changes are acceptable, and that string then unlocks an encr

  • by cmseagle ( 1195671 ) on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @05:11AM (#58938296)

    the latest version of Android, and a killer update package with two years of major OS updates and three years of security updates

    I appreciate what Nokia is doing here, but the fact that this is considered a "killer" update support plan really shows how low the bar is for manufacturer support of Android devices.

  • by johnsie ( 1158363 ) on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @05:38AM (#58938356)
    I've had the Xiaomi Redmi 4x for two years, which cost around the same price back then and has better specs. 64gb rom, octacore, 4000mah battery. It's metal and durable which is why I've had it for over two years. Not too big. Nokia androids are just overpriced Chinese phones with a nokia label stuck to them.
  • I'm not sure what the story is here, phones with removable batteries are still for sale. Everyone complaining you can't get them? Just too dumb to look for them. The truth is, they're just unpopular, that's why they don't make more of them. This is just one more budget phone option that won't make a big difference. If you're interested in this, you could've gotten something more powerful used on Craigslist for less, since you can replace the battery it doesn't matter if that doesn't hold much of a charge an
  • by Anonymous Coward

    HMD should have done the thinking before starting to produce all of their crap devices that can not be trusted whatsoever.

    Also made in china, i'm done with that.

  • and take my money.

  • I RTFA, it's on Amazon, just search for "nokia 2.2".

    I'll be getting one pretty quickly.

  • i don't see anything underpowered in those specs.
    and yes it has a bezel, but have you seen the photo's on arstechnica? it's not horrible, in fact there is nothing wrong with it at all, a bit of a bezel is better imho.
    and Nokia ships all their phones with Android One, that is also a big plus.

    this phone is more premium than most premium phone in my book.

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