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LG Announces G8 ThinQ Smartphone That Uses 'Advanced Palm Vein Authentication' Tech To Unlock (techcrunch.com) 74

LG's flagship G8 smartphone has been officially launched today, bringing many expected features that were teased over the past few months and several not-so-expected features. One such unusual feature in the G8 is its palm vein recognition, dubbed Hand ID, which LG claims is the first to offer this capability. TechCrunch reports: From the company's press materials, "LG's Hand ID identifies owners by recognizing the shape, thickness and other individual characteristics of the veins in the palms of their hands." It turns out, like faces and fingerprints, everyone's got a unique set of hand veins, so once registered, you can just however your hot blue blood tubes over the handset to quickly unlock in a few seconds. The Z camera also does depth-sensing face unlock that's a lot harder to spoof than the kind found on other Android handsets. LG's also put the tech to use for a set of Air Motion gestures, which allow for hands-free interaction with various apps like the camera (selfies) and music (volume control). Other features of the G8 include a 6.1-inch QHD+ "Crystal Sound OLED" display that uses the screen as an audio amplifier. There's a Snapdragon 855 processor with 6GB of RAM and 128GB internal storage, three cameras on the rear including a 16-megapixel Super Wide (F1.9), 12-megapixel Standard (F1.5), and 12-megapixel Telephoto (F2.4), a 3,500mAh battery that charges via USB-C, a headphone jack, and 32-bit Hi-Fi Quad DAC.
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LG Announces G8 ThinQ Smartphone That Uses 'Advanced Palm Vein Authentication' Tech To Unlock

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  • by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:08PM (#58174652) Journal
    I believe you meant screen as audio transducer... At least it keeps the headphone jack!
    • I believe you meant screen as audio transducer... At least it keeps the headphone jack!

      I think amplifier could be perfectly acceptable use of the word here. The transducer is what would be acting on the back of the screen, and the shape of the screen amplifies the air pressure waves which would otherwise be tiny without the available surface area, but would none the less still be air pressure waves.

      • So with your logic, for a loudspeaker, the motor (magnet circuit and voice coil) is the transducer, and the cone is the amplifier. Nope, not gonna let that one slide... A transducer [wikipedia.org] in this case is what changes electrical energy into pressure - and that includes the radiating surface (since the pressure generated is proportional to the radiating surface, and the radiating surface is required for the transformation to take place).
        • the motor (magnet circuit and voice coil) is the transducer

          definitely.

          and the cone is the amplifier

          arguably.

          Cut the cone out of an old loudspeaker. Notice it still makes sound but at a greatly reduced volume and efficiency?

          in this case is what changes electrical energy into pressure

          Like the the magnetic coil that applies the force to make something move?

          and that includes the radiating surface

          That is your own definition. In fact I can't find the radiating surface mentioned in Wikipedia or in my textbook.

          since the pressure generated is proportional to the radiating surface

          So you're saying a bigger radiating surface would "amplify" the pressure?

          and the radiating surface is required for the transformation to take place

          Again hold up one of those surface transducers in the air and hear that wonderful transformation having already taken

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      The screen only acts as a transducer for calls. Basically a bone conduction system that makes it easier to hear the other person in a noisy environment. It can't be used as a speaker.

      • Yes, it could be used as a speaker. Even microphones can be used as speakers (albeit they suck), and a bone conduction transducer IS a speaker as well. Additionally, since SPL is proportional to displacement, and a screen is huge compared to a typical 6mm x 15mm speaker in a phone, you'd need precious little motion on that large area to get usable SPL output. A typical microspeaker has around 1.5mm - MAYBE 2mm - of maximum excursion. This screen has about 120 times the surface area, so you could have th
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          It /could/ be used as a speaker eventually, but in this specific product LG has limited it to phone calls and designed it solely for bone conduction.

          • What I'm saying is it COULD be used right now - there is nothing physically limiting it from working that way. Your claim that it could not be used as a speaker is wrong; it's a choice LG has made right now, there is no physical reason it could not be used, given the level of excursion required to replace a traditional speaker.
  • I look forward to lifeline analytics, so that the phone can send out texts if it thinks you are in peril that day.

    I wonder how unique palm prints are, never have seen studies on that...

    • "NO! I'm NOT having an emergency! No, I didn't call for help. Stop stalking me!!!"

      I so totally hope somebody sells you this feature. LMFAO

      "Oh, it's just that guy in a SuperGrover costume with the smart watch again, false alarm." "... help... me... ...elp!"

  • by SirAstral ( 1349985 ) on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:20PM (#58174686)

    BioMetrics is not a valid identity or security mechanism and will never be. Machines are not perfect, neither are you, and you could lose access to your devices if your bio-metrics change. Health problems, scraps, cuts, bruises, or even worse a lopped off limb could get you locked out of you device. Not only that but the technology to scan and learn you bio-metrics is the same technology to be used to store that data and use it in a replay. As seen in other cheap tricks like unlocking them with pictures. Yes, they will try to secure that further but at the end of the day, every part of your body can be replicated with impressive detail if someone wants to bad enough and the more and more this technology matures the more and more people will understand the feeling to being betrayed by their own security implementations.

    I am sorry dave... but I can't let you ... o wait... Hello Master Key what do you want me to do?

    • Biometrics plus your PIN helps protect you from everything but a rubber hose attack, which is always a threat, and a reason why we have to make a better future. Sadly, no phone can do that for us.

    • BioMetrics is not a valid identity or security mechanism and will never be.

      Literally hundreds of millions of people already use it every day.

      you could lose access to your devices if your bio-metrics change.

      All mobile devices that support biometrics allow for PIN entry if the biometric will not work.

      even worse a lopped off limb could get you locked out of you device.

      If you lopped off all my limbs I could still use my nose to enter a PIN.

      Not only that but the technology to scan and learn you bio-metrics is t

      • Literally hundreds of millions of people already use it every day.

        Literally hundreds of millions eat too much junk food, therefore it's good for you.

    • by Chryana ( 708485 )

      Nobody is forcing you to use biometric authentication. You always need to set a password lock on your device if it fails to recognize you anyways. A lot of people "protect" their devices with such terrible passwords (I can see someone making an L or a square to unlock their phones without even meaning to) that biometric authentication turns out to be safer that what they're currently doing. My opinion is that, although in theory biometric authentication is weaker than a strong password, it protects you more

      • Ok, so now a thief has to carry a weapon so he can force you to unlock the phone. Progress.

        • by Chryana ( 708485 )

          Most thieves are not going to use violence to steal from you. I've had stuff stolen from me a few times, and it was always either something I was carrying but that I wasn't looking at, or they broke into a car, into my apartment, etc.

          • Most thieves are not going to use violence to steal from you

            Agreed. Most thieves are also not stalking you to see you enter the PIN code. They grab it out of your pocket/bag, or break into your car or your apartment, and then just sell the phone for a few bucks without trying to unlock it.

            But in the situation where they really want to get into your phone, they will now be forced to use violence.

            • by Chryana ( 708485 )

              If that was true, it would already be happening. People didn't start unlocking their phones with their thumbprints, faces, etc. yesterday.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Biometrics are a massive security win for most people. You simply don't understand the threat model most people face: Laziness and imperfect human memory.

      Having a decent password is obviously best, but also annoying to have to type it in every time, vulnerable to shoulder surfing when used in public, and the more secure it is the easier it is to forget. Most people re-use their passwords too.

      So for the majority of customers the choice is between no security, crap security like a short PIN number or unlock p

  • the developed world is officially fiddling while Earth burns. Really, why do we need all this new gee-whiz shit, other than to one-up each other while we anesthetize ourselves against the failure of the old gee-whiz shit to give our lives meaning and purpose?

    • Did you ever wonder why Emperor Nero held a small party for a few close friends as much of the city was burning?

      I mean, if history is instructive or not depends on if we understand it, not merely if we refer to it.

  • Biometrics (Score:4, Funny)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:17PM (#58174828) Journal

    Did you know that when you set up a new Android phone, you can use your dick on the fingerprint reader and then you'll have to whip out your dick every time you want to use your phone?

    Don't ask me how I know that, but let me just say that HR was not amused.

  • Where as before, all I had to do was worry about the NSA chopping off a single finger. Now, I have to fear my entire hand being severed in order to unlock my phone and read all my secrets (which are already known by Facebook).

    ***

    All that said, I absolutely love my LG V20. Best cell phone I have ever owned: USB Type-C, Removable Battery, Slick thin metal case, microSD card, and the least problems of ANY smartphone I've owned (much less problems than either my iPhone or Samsung Galaxy's).

  • I got used to see the Chaos Computer Club breaking biometric authentication; I wonder if they will break that one as well.
  • I am wandering... Do people buy LG Phones?

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