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HTC, Motorola Say They Don't Slow Old Phones Like Apple Does (theverge.com) 133

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After Apple confirmed last week that it reduces the performance of older iPhones to improve battery life, it has left many wondering whether or not other smartphone manufacturers do the same. HTC and Motorola are the two most recent OEMs to say they don't throttle their phones' processor speeds as their batteries age. The Verge reports: In emails to The Verge, both companies said they do not employ similar practices with their smartphones. An HTC spokesperson said that designing phones to slow down their processor as their battery ages "is not something we do." A Motorola spokesperson said, "We do not throttle CPU performance based on older batteries." The Verge also reached out to Google, Samsung, LG, and Sony for comment on whether their phone processors are throttled in response to aging batteries. A Sony spokesperson said a response would be delayed by the holidays, and a Samsung spokesperson said the company was looking into it. The responses begin to clarify whether or not throttling processor speeds is typical behavior in smartphones -- as of last week, we knew that Apple was doing it, but not whether it was common practice among competitors. HTC and Motorola's responses start to suggest that it's not.
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  • They don't patch them either... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:44PM (#55824401)

    So while the vendor may not be slowing your old phone down to encourage you to buy a new one, any hacker with the right exploit can compromise your device via SMS and make all sorts of trouble.

    • Funny, people like you talk like it is a common event, but I don't know anyone it has happened to.
    • What the fuck are you talking about? Specific case of text hacking in last year or two or you're full of shit. You can have nonexistent text hacks, or Facetime shit that regularly fails to just fucking work. My BlackBerry android gets monthly updates.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      No they can't, because the SMS app will be updated and Google Play Services can patch critical parts of the OS too.

      If this really was a huge security disaster we would see vast armies of botnets, mobile carriers desperately trying to block stuff, millions of people complaining about their $9000 phone bills... But that hasn't happened.

      Google is actually good at security. They are a prime target, but you don't see billion user leaks of Google data. Chrome is the most secure browser. For all their faults, they

  • "We never ship new software!" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 0100010001010011 ( 652467 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:46PM (#55824421)

    You want the latest Android? You should buy a new phone from us. Your HTC M7 with purple camera is old. Why would you want new software on it?

    It's hard to slow down old hardware if you stop supporting it the second I buy it.

  • So what if Apple throttles the phone. From a technical standpoint, it makes sense.

    All they had to do was inform the user of it, and/or allow it to be disabled.

    If this was any other maker, it wouldn't be nearly as big of a story.

    • Re:nothing to see here (Score:5, Insightful)

      by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:54PM (#55824489)

      All they had to do was inform the user of it, and/or allow it to be disabled.

      And they did neither of these, which is why people are now complaining.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        This strikes me as similar to the "this accessory is not supported" message when trying to charge with a non-apple cable? Most any charger on the market would be capable of charging an iPhone--but the speed of charging will vary. Apple's decision to give the user a "no charging" experience rather than a "slow charging" experience sometimes left me with an unusable phone. And much to everyone's shock and surprise--padded Apple's wallet with additional sales of chargers and cables that were often no better t

      • What you want is freedom from choice (Score:4, Insightful)

        by goombah99 ( 560566 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:27PM (#55824681)

        No you don't want to have an option for every damn thing on the phone. I want a senible set of well tested choices made for me then present me with the most useful ones.
        not having my batttery run out or having it make it to the next upgrade cycle is great priority over the absolutely fastest iphone. if I need fast computing I'll use a computer or replace my battery.

        • Deciding whether to arbitrarily limit the performance of my device is not a decision that someone else can sensibly make for me.

          not having my batttery run out or having it make it to the next upgrade cycle is great priority over the absolutely fastest iphone.

          No. My phone is never away from a charger more than a few hours at a time. Your specific use case does not apply to me and as such all you achieve is gimping my phone for no reason. Kindly keep your silly ideas away from my phone.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Pieroxy ( 222434 )

            Deciding whether to arbitrarily limit the performance of my device is not a decision that someone else can sensibly make for me.

            So you'd rather have your phone shut down when launching a power hungry app (when your battery is 3 years old, weared out and at 40%) rather than having said app launch a little slower?

            Your specific use case does not apply to me and as such all you achieve is gimping my phone for no reason. Kindly keep your silly ideas away from my phone.

            Agreed.

      • If you could disable it people would, and then they would complain that their phone kept turning off. I suspect if I still had an iPhone I'd turn it off immediately when I heard about it and forget about it if I started having issues later.

        They really should tell you that there's a battery issue and that batteries can be replaced, though. Most people would just tap the "okay" button without reading it (my parents do that all the time), but for those who do read dialogue boxes it could help.

    • Apple's not about allowing users to put their iPhones into configurations that are likely to crash, as that disrupts the user experience.

    • Crippling products is good? (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What a nice shill you play. It would be much more honest to say, inform the user that the battery life is degraded rather than just pain them into buying a new phone. And certainly, it was technically honest, but deliberately, grossly misleading when Apple claimed last two years ago that they don't slow down old phones. It's not old phones they slow, just phones with old batteries.

    • There was no reason to notify users. I'm an Apple hater but this is one of their rare and sensible actions.

      If your choices are: hardware fault that causes an unsafe reset due to low voltage or a simple throttle that maintains system stability, you would have to be an idiot to ever choose to suffer through a random reset instead of a transient performance hit.

      The worst slow-down that exists is your phone being off and not doing anything at all. 50-90% performance is better than 0% performance. Why should

  • Courage (Score:5, Funny)

    by Translation Error ( 1176675 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:47PM (#55824435)
    Only Apple has the courage to throttle older phones like that.

    • They throttled the headphone jack too. And they throttled the icons until they were flat and ugly as lack of sin. And they throttled the very idea of storage cards and replaceable batteries. And you know, since they didn't give anyone FM radio anyway, losing that headphone jack wasn't quite the blow it would have otherwise been. Because they'd already landed on us once.

      And with the mac, they turned the Mac Pro into trash. Er, can. And they lamed up the mini.

      They have a lot of courage. Respeeeec.

      That's why I

  • Apple does this by creating new firmware which then activates this for phone models that are approx. 2 years old at the time of the firmware release. They obviously know that after ~2 years, batteries are beginning to go bad.
    After two years, neither HTC nor Lenovo (a Motorola that sells phones hasn't existed for years, bought out ages ago) don't support phones that long typically, so when there are no updates, there obviously is no artificial downclocking either.

    As an aside: whenever we pointed out that a b

    • Re:Easy when there are no firmware updates (Score:4, Insightful)

      by david_thornley ( 598059 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:19PM (#55824623)

      Apple will replace your battery for you for $80, and you can get a battery replacement kit from iFixit for $25 if you want to go that way. The battery is very unlikely to need replacement more than every two years, so whether the battery can be easily replaced by the user is not that important.

      I don't know what you mean by the CPU not running at its rated clock speed. I don't measure the usefulness of a phone by its rated CPU clock speed. I measure that it does what I want it to do fast, and my four-year-old iPhone 5S is doing OK. I'm thinking of replacing the battery, or maybe getting an SE. (I don't want a larger iPhone.)

      • My nephews get hand me down iPhones from their Doctor Aunt each year. They once showed me two phones of same model playing the same game, one on the previous iOS and one just upgraded. In the game, if you held a button the guy would run smoothly and continuously. In the updated phone, the guy's running was very staggered with noticeable pauses multiple times in 1-2 seconds. It was night and fucking day for something that performed equally the week before. Having intentionally slowed phones has been know

      • I don't know what you mean by the CPU not running at its rated clock speed.

        You don't? Were the words too big?

        I don't measure the usefulness of a phone by its rated CPU clock speed.

        Oh, you do understand, and you were just trying to be clever. Try harder.

        Maybe you can understand this, if you don't try very very hard not to: advertising one speed and delivering another is fraud.

        • Hold on. The usability of something is based on how it can be used, how easily it can be, etc. The CPU speed is unimportant by itself.

          Are you saying that Apple is advertising one speed and delivering another? Or that battery degradation slows down the CPU? There's a difference.

      • I don't measure the usefulness of a phone by its rated CPU clock speed.

        Apple's marketing seems to.

  • The whole reason Apple does what they do, is because as a battery ages they want people to get as much phone on time as possible in a day.

    I guess what this means is if you want your phone to still last a solid day in a year or two, better not buy Motorola!

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by bws111 ( 1216812 )

      The whole reason Apple does this is so people don't realize their battery is dying and begin to wonder why they can't replace such a simple thing.

    • Re:So they let phone battery life suffer more? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by spire3661 ( 1038968 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:06PM (#55824555) Journal
      "I guess what this means is if you want your phone to still last a solid day in a year or two, better not buy Motorola!"

      With Turbo Charging, who cares? I can top up in minutes, not hours.

      • "I guess what this means is if you want your phone to still last a solid day in a year or two, better not buy Motorola!"

        With Turbo Charging, who cares? I can top up in minutes, not hours.

        Where do you plug in your charging cable in while camping? The back end of a bear?

      • "I guess what this means is if you want your phone to still last a solid day in a year or two, better not buy Motorola!" With Turbo Charging, who cares? I can top up in minutes, not hours.

        That's mostly because your battery has a much reduced capacity.

        • What? Most phones have 50% more battery capacity than an iPhone. Apple just doesn't want to pay patent royalties for Quick Charge.

          • What? Most phones have 50% more battery capacity than an iPhone. Apple just doesn't want to pay patent royalties for Quick Charge.

            Hey moron, we all have been talking about batteries maximum charge degrading with usage - have you not noticed? Are you a truly fucking imbecile? Do us all a favour, go for a quickcharge on a high voltage line.

      • Really the worst possible brand to rag on about battery life. Motorola tends to have the highest battery capacity of all smartphones, and is why I own one. My Z has a 3500mAh battery with the expansion part on the back for an additional 6k. I could take it into the woods for 4 days and it not die on me.

    • I guess what this means is if you want your phone to still last a solid day in a year or two, better not buy Motorola!

      Hate to say it, but my samsung has a power savings feature that if turned on increases the battery life significantly. As my phone is slightly over 2 years old now (Waiting for the Galaxy 9 early next year) I have had this setting turned on for about 6 months

      As others have said - if apple had simply made it an option, and allowed users to turn it on/off... they would have been declared geniuses, as it is time to go to the genius bar and get a fix

      • Apple ALSO has a power saver mode, which you can turn on and off (and it prompts to turn on at 20% power). What Apple is doing with the battery life s a much more subtle effect by slightly lowering max CPU and screen brightness. I think it would be good to have an indicator but I feel like if there were a switch too many people would be misled into turning that feature off.

    • No, they don't want the phone to crash hard and perhaps corrupt data, which it's likely to do with too much current draw.

    • I have a Motorola G4 Play. G4 Play and G5 batteries are $20 on EBay and can be swapped in 15 seconds. I'd just change the battery when the current one poops out.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dwywit ( 1109409 )

      I bought my RAZR HD in 2013. It doesn't get updates any more, which is shitty - but it still does what I need it to do. Phone, SMS, email, web browsing, and occasional hot spot/GPS/camera.

      It has a large battery (2500 mAh), and an SD slot. It still lasts more than a day before needing a recharge. Maybe I was lucky - or maybe I RTFM and treated it correctly.

    • The best thing to do when the battery starts to go is to put in a new battery. For some phones, that means a $15 order on Amazon plus 15 seconds of your time to swap it. For Apple phones, that means $80 plus travel back and forth to the Genius Bar, or a couple weeks with your device gone in the mail.

  • Apple's problem (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @05:53PM (#55824469)

    The big problem with Apple is that they take decisions on behalf of users because most of them don't know any better.

    However, what they should be doing is giving us options and making their decision be the default setting.

    Example:
    When your battery becomes older, it will not hold a charge as long as when the phone is new. When that happens, would you like to:
    [x] Keep using the phone for the same amount of time as much as possible to the detriment of processor speed and screen brightness
    [_] Keep using the phone at the same processor speed and screen brightness with a shorter daily battery life

    That's a bit verbose, but you get the idea.

    Another example: in the older OS X versions, Preview was able to save files in SGI, SGI, TGA and other older formats. In the most recent versions (at least 10.9 and above), those older formats are no longer listed when trying to save an image. However, if you hold the [Option] key, you get them back. But you have to know that holding this key will magically give you the list of all formats supported by Preview. Why can't they display "(Hold [option] for more formats)" next to the pull-down menu?

    • You forgot:

      [ ] allow the phone to crash because the battery can't maintain the required voltage.

      • This is a sizing issue of the original battery, where it can sustain voltage after a reasonable amount of use in the lifetime of the product. It is a DEFECT they were covering up.

        • They could have made the battery the size of a cinderblock. Eventually it wouldn't be able to hold the required voltage.

          Unless you're defining a battery that doesn't last forever as defective. If so, you will find a world full of things to be outraged about.

          • iPhones were rebooting with more than 40% battery life. Other phones are operational to single digit battery life before shutting down. Perhaps because battery saver functionality is doing the fuck it's supposed to do and informs the user. None of this is new to engineering, these are intentional design decisions for cutting corners.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Battery chemistry doesn't work like that. It's entirely possible to ship a battery large enough to provide adequate current for its entire lifetime (industry standard is 20% capacity loss, but 50% is easily possible). The current supply capacity does not scale linearly with capacity, it's a function of the battery structure and size of the nodes.

            The only other phone with this issue is the Nexus 6P.

        • THIS.

          Plus, all of my Android phones for the past few years have come with a battery extender mode that does what Apple is doing -- but at my option and at any time I choose. If I never enable that function, I just start seeing less battery life over time, but the phone still works because the power management circuitry and battery aren't under-engineered.

          • THIS. Plus, all of my Android phones for the past few years have come with a battery extender mode that does what Apple is doing -- but at my option and at any time I choose.

            Not THIS. They do what Apple has been doing since iOS 9 with Low Power Mode, not what Apple does now (or since one year ago) - don't you know anything?

            • So they've been doing what iOS started doing in September 2015 since at least sometime in 2014 and... it seems you're implying that Android is copying Apple when Android actually had the feature first. Yes, I know things.

              Apparently, though, you don't know how to follow the context of a conversation; for example, the "THIS" was in response to the comment I was... well... responding to. That is, I was agreeing with ebrandsberg about it being a battery size issue -- low power mode had nothing at all to do wi

              • So they've been doing what iOS started doing in September 2015 since at least sometime in 2014 and... it seems you're implying that Android is copying Apple when Android actually had the feature first. Yes, I know things.

                Well you sure know how to put words in my mouth when you are losing an argument. Like losers do.

                • I said "it seems" because that's how I interpreted it. Beyond that, I wouldn't very well say I lost the argument given that you were barking up the wrong tree in the first place. Oh and how hurtful, some random anonymous asshole on the internet thinks I'm a loser. I'm so hurt.

        • Re:Apple's problem (Score:4)

          by david_thornley ( 598059 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:23PM (#55824649)

          It's reasonable to differ with Apple's design choices, but they're valid. Apple had various choices about battery size, and made a decision you disagree with. Not being able to provide full power after two years is not a big deal.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Luthair ( 847766 )
            No it wasn't a valid choice - users have a reasonable expectation that their device will properly function through the typical lifespans that product - in some jurisdictions there are laws providing legal warranties. Ignoring safety, what would you think if your cars engine would stall when accelerating to highway speeds after 3-5 years?

            • The typical lifespan of a car is considerably longer than the typical lifespan of a phone. It used to be that the lifespan of a phone was considered to be two years, and I'm not sure how much that's changed. I've also had car performance slightly deteriorate over time, and the slowing down is specifically to eliminate the chance of the equivalent of the engine stalling.

              Warranties generally say something about the device working, and it still does.

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by Luthair ( 847766 )
                Sure the lifespan is longer, but most cars have 3-5 year warranties and people anticipate 10-15 years. Personally I expect phones to last ~3-years now, and the warranty is 1-year. In both cases the warranty is about 1/3 the expected lifespan.

        • This is a sizing issue of the original battery, where it can sustain voltage after a reasonable amount of use in the lifetime of the product. It is a DEFECT they were covering up.

          Incorrect.

          The issue is current draw, not the size/capacity of the battery.

          In many cases, the battery has the same capacity as before. But if you are mining Bitcoin on your iPhone, or running badly written software, then it will be CPU intensive enough to draw more current than the battery can sustainably supply.

          This issue is that the peak current demand by the CPU utilization for some apps is no longer sustainable.

          Note that Apple throttles the CPU down all the time. What the change does is cause the CPU n

          • Current spikes lowers voltage and trips a brown out detector. Don't make the product current spike. Duh. Current spikes are part of design engineering. Design for your load. Stop making excuses, engineers are taught better. These are intentional cut corners. They can and should do better. They will now.
          • The PAs of the radios draw the current.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            There are good reasons to switch into high power mode. When the user opens something two things happen. There is an animation run on the GPU. That hides the processing needed to generate the thing being opened. If it isn't ready quickly then the phone feels slow.

            More over, from an energy saving perspective it's often slightly better to do a quick, high power burst than a longer low power one. This is especially true with lipo batteries.

          • There's actually no reason -- other than bad programming -- that you would need that much CPU power on a cell phone -- even one as nifty as an iPhone.

            Yeah, and 640k should be enough for everyone.

            • There's actually no reason -- other than bad programming -- that you would need that much CPU power on a cell phone -- even one as nifty as an iPhone.

              Yeah, and 640k should be enough for everyone.

              IF you have to jailbreak your iPhone to get the problem to show up, perhaps you shouldn't jailbreak your iPhone.

              • IF you have to jailbreak your iPhone to get the problem to show up, perhaps you shouldn't jailbreak your iPhone.

                If you have to jailbreak an iPhone just to be able to use the hardware, perhaps you should buy someone else's phone.

    • [ ] Easily replace the battery
    • because of engineers who think the right solution to every problem is to pop up a non-intuitive message and ask non-technical users to make a confusing choice.

      In this case Apple erred in the other direction. The right compromise is to add some non-invasive info in the Settings->Battery section about the diminished battery capacity and its effect on performance.
    • [x] Build a phone with a replaceable battery and advert all controversy.

      And no, I don't buy the argument that Apple has to hardwire the battery in. My el-cheapo LG was $220, is just as thin as an iPhone with comparable performance in everything but a few 3D benchmarks and the battery is replaceable.

  • Ford just announced that the software for all 1964 Mustangs are at the latest level.

    • Ford just announced that the software for all 1964 Mustangs are at the latest level.

      A 1964 Mustang will have lost significant power as compared to the factory-delivered condition, and will need an engine rebuild to get it back. The difference is, everyone expects that from a car. Although ironically, that doesn't tend to happen to modern cars, because they are capable of producing more power than they do. They're tuned for a specific power level. Engines used to put out as much as they could put out given a streetable cam. Now they put out as much as they are sold for.

  • The issue isn't the slowing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ebrandsberg ( 75344 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:02PM (#55824527)

    The issue two-fold, and many vendor are guilty of the first one:
    1) They aren't sizing the batteries in such a way so that the peak voltage can be sustained more than two years from release under normal use.
    2) They didn't provide details of WHY the phones were slowing down, so people would understand that a cheaper battery replacement would restore performance.

    The fact that they slowed it down without detailing why tells me it was a play to get more sales AND to prevent warranty work. The Nexus 6p had a similar issue where after the battery wore down, it was causing the phone to turn off due to low voltage. Google usually replaced the phone, often with a new Pixel phone as well. Apple was trying to make sure this didn't happen with this change, and by the way, once it got slower, people would tend to BUY the upgrade, not send it in for repairs.

  • Wrong. (Score:5, Informative)

    by david_thornley ( 598059 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:11PM (#55824577)

    After Apple confirmed last week that it reduces the performance of older iPhones to improve battery life

    This is incorrect. It has nothing to do with battery life, and nothing to do with older iPhones per se. Put a new battery into an old iPhone and the slowing will go away. It's a matter of the battery degrading over time (which they do), and limiting the maximum power drawn from it. This means that the phone can't operate at top performance, since it can't get the power. The alternative was to risk the phone crashing at such times, not to let the battery drain faster.

    Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by zifn4b ( 1040588 )

      Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

      Well now we have an answer to an age old mystery. Apple controls the laws of physics therefore Apple created the universe. I'm glad that's all settled. Phew I can rest easy at night now. Thank you.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by FlamingGuts ( 1670544 )

      Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

      Or allowing people to easily replace their batteries. God forbid!

    • Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

      Missing option: Notify users.

    • Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

      Well, we know if Steve were still in charge, it would have been option #3.

    • telling people up front they were slowing the phone down. My kid took her phones to Apple several times over the years and all they ever did was reboot/reset it. Never once was a battery replacement mentioned even though their engineers knew this was a problem and their customer service reps would have tracked everyone that came in complaining about the problem.

      Apple didn't care until they got caught. But it's Apple so it's Ok. Imagine the shit storm if Microsoft had done this with the Lumina.

      • And now you've brought up a legitimate problem: Apple techs that don't do something fairly cheap to deal with a slow phone.

    • Apple had the choice between limiting current draw, allowing the phone to crash, or changing the laws of physics.

      They could also have changed the size of their phone to accommodate a battery which would continue to deliver enough current to use the CPU at the advertised speeds throughout the device lifetime. Making it another 0.5mm thick probably would have done. But by all means, drop to your knees and blow Apple for all you're worth.

      • So why didn't they? Is it possible that lots of people do care about the thinness, and that making the phone thicker would hurt sales?

        Also, exactly what is the expected lifetime? It at least used to be two years.

  • Apple's offering a $29/battery replacement (Score:3)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:43PM (#55824793)
    which I'm sure also comes with a lawsuit waiver. As someone who's replaced 3 iPhones over the years due to degraded performance I'd like to get back about $700, which is what my carrier charged me to 'swap' those phones...

  • Apple just posted an update (Score:4, Informative)

    by juancn ( 596002 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @06:51PM (#55824843) Homepage
    TLDR: apologies, update with battery state coming, next year, battery change is $29 (instead of $79) https://www.apple.com/iphone-battery-and-performance/ [apple.com]
    • what about those of use who've spent upwards to $1400 replacing phones over the years because of this? Sure, I'm an Android user, but my Kid's got an iPhone, and I've replaced it ever 2 years like clockwork. Now I know why...

  • Obvious troll is obvious (Score:3)

    by SJ ( 13711 ) on Thursday December 28, 2017 @07:14PM (#55824995)

    Of course Samsung, Motorola, and HTC don't do it. Their phones are usually dead due to stale software or manufacturing defects long before the battery starts to degrade.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by niks42 ( 768188 )
      I'd disagree. I have an HTC 10 that is suffering from an ageing battery and I need to wait another 9 months for a replacement from my supplier. It took a year for the battery life to start suffering badly, and now if it's dropped to 15% as it will do in 5-6 hours of normal use in a day, it will restart if I attempt to launch any app that happens to use the camera, for instance.

  • Class Action? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I'd love to see if a class action comes out from this.

    What apple is doing is pushing the limits of the battery tech beyond what is reasonable to try to milk every last bit of performance out of their setup.

    This would kinda be akin to buying a car with an underpowered engine that was always reved really high to give you decent performance, and then as the car aged the redline on the engine was slowly backed down, so maybe the car could rev to 10krpm when it was new, then each year as the engine wore more due

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