Apple's Next Year iPhone Won't Have the Home Button: NYTimes 217
The reviews for the Apple's new iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus are live today. The New York Times, for instance, has given the smartphone a fairly positive review. However, in the story, the reporter says that the company's next flagship iPhone won't have the home button (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; here's an alternate source). Instead, the display will serve the purpose of the home button as well, the report added. From the report:Apple is likely to continue making iPhones without headphone jacks, and next year's iPhone will have a full-screen face with the virtual button built directly into the screen, according to two people at the company who spoke on condition of anonymity because the product details are private.
Gimme Wireless charging as well (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Gimme Wireless charging as well (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, while having a headphone jack, home button, and a charging port are all convenient - you can use any headphones in the world. the headphones don't run out of batteries, you don't need to carry a dongle around, the home button gives you a tactile button to wake the phone or check the screen or determine orientation when you can't look at it, and the charging port allows much faster charging than wireless - who wants everything to work as well as it could?
Yes, we should eliminate all those things which are working great, so there are no ports, because... reasons
Re:Gimme Wireless charging as well (Score:5, Funny)
Well, you could always use a Samsung phone and burn to death instead, but hey, let's bitch about a fucking headphone socket...
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That's one particular phone. There are many Samsung phones that aren't a fire hazard as well as many other phones from different manufactures. The headphone jack removal is worth bitching about. Hands down the most disgusting thing Apple has done since the release of the original Mac with it's black and white screen and single button mouse.
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Apple removed a component which is arguably obsolete from the iPhone, while providing an acceptable workaround, for free.
Not acceptable to me.
Well go buy your Samsung and be happy. All your problems will vanish into the haze.
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More shit to buy and carry.
When I forgot my earbuds once, I went to the drugstore on the corner and $10 later had another pair.
That's not going to possible with the new version.
You still pissed they took lead out of gasoline?
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I've been a daily Slashdot user since 98'. However, unlike you, I never felt the narcissistic desire to register a username. Makes you a bit of a faggot, actually.
Never miss a good chance to not make a fool of yourself. Actually. You've done it twice now.
Sony Battery!!! (Score:3)
Sony claims prior art in fire-inducing lithium batteries.
(And "hoverboard"-style self-balancing rollwe's opinion?
"Under 100kWh. Meh. Amateurs")
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Well, you could always use a Samsung phone and burn to death instead, but hey, let's bitch about a fucking headphone socket...
Would it still burn me if I took it underwater like the OP wants to do?
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Yes, we should eliminate all those things which are working great, so there are no ports, because... reasons
Yeah, because don't all of us spend every minute underwater these days? Take away all the ports and tactile items and make me buy new shit!
Coming soon: the iButton, a $79 plastic cap that fits onto the phone where the Home button used to be, so people can feel where it is. (Just like on that horrid old last-year's model that no iTard would be caught dead carrying.)
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Yes, we should eliminate all those things which are working great, so there are no ports, because... reasons
Yeah, because don't all of us spend every minute underwater these days? Take away all the ports and tactile items and make me buy new shit!
Coming soon: the iButton, a $79 plastic cap that fits onto the phone where the Home button used to be, so people can feel where it is. (Just like on that horrid old last-year's model that no iTard would be caught dead carrying.)
My fsckin ford can beat your Chevy too! Tell me, what is it in your makeup that makes you have the deep seated need to have such hatred? The need to call iphone users retarded? I have iPhones because they integrate with my other hardware. I have a Samsung tablet because I wanted to understand Android. From actual experience the missing headphone jack means nothing, especially since if you want to plug into a phone, it can't be difficult to plug in two things. and presumably one would keep their dongle plugg
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Tell me, what is it in your makeup that makes you have the deep seated need to have such hatred?
Why? Because I hate companies that behave like assholes, and I have disdain for the fanbois who slavishly follow them like zombies after fresh meat. And I'd slam any company that behaves this way- Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, Oracle, etc etc. (I own Android and Apple devices, so I've got the right to critique them as I see fit.)
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I do take burning batteries pretty seriously though - I'll admit as much.
Exactly- how those numbnuts at Samsung could have let this little flaw slip by is beyond me. And by "little flaw", I mean something that may burn your house down or injure you, possib
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you don't need to carry a dongle around,
Please explain exactly why carrying wired headphones around is the greatest thinng in the world, but 100 percent unacceptable to plug those same best solution headphones into a dongle. If I actually had to plug a legacy headset into an iPhone, I'd probably just plug the headphone plug into the dongle, then keep the thing plugged in and store it in the place where I stored the headphones. But that must be an inconvenience beyond the pale.
It's like plug one thing in, and it is wonderful, a superior setup,
Re:Gimme Wireless charging as well (Score:4, Informative)
Ah yes, just like you totally can't if those ports are present. Except for all the phones which can do that now.
Underwater (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, we should eliminate all those things which are working great, so there are no ports, because... reasons
He just gave you a reason, smartass: so you can bring the phone underwater.
I have quite a few gadgets that can go underwater (not just splash resistant, but water resistant: full IPX7-certified immersion capable) that do feature ports.
Including the e-Book I gave present to my mother (Kobo H20) : that has ports - a microUSB charging/sync port, and a microSD card port.
(As long as the rubber cover is over them, and isn't currently open to swap the microSD card, this thing can survive 1m under water for half an hour)
That also includes my speaker (UE Megaboom): it has a microUSB and a 3mm Audio stereo analog jack and a huge honking battery rated at a whooping 200Wh.
Everything that Apple deems necessary to remove just to make their phone splash resistant.
And this speaker is not only resist spalsh but can be forgotten for some time at the bottom of my above-ground pool. And will keep playing music (though not very audible due to difficulty of transferring sound air->water->air again).
I gave also a photo camera as a present to my girl (Olympus TG-4) this thing is rated at 15m depth (you could go diving with it). And it still has a USB connector, a SD card port, and Audio/Video connection (though the port is digital : it's a micro HDMI, not analog jack port) and fast and easy end-user replaceable battery. Though for the record it use plastic doors instead of rubber covers to protect the ports.
So again, can you explain me why Apple needs to remove functionality that is used everywhere (just go to any student party and watch how often people plug their smartphones with their music playlists into the analog jack of whatever speaker system is laying around*) just in the name of making the damn thing splash resistant ?
Oh yeah, I know: their obsession of making the phone thin enough to slice cheese. A rubber port cover would stay in the way.
(It's the same company that obsesses with ridiculously small SIM card formats, even if the whole device isn't fitting directly in the ear - Lt.Uhura's style)
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(*) Apple removing the audio jack from their hardware would be like removing the floppy drive from their "canddy" iMacs... before USB flash drive got available.
Currently only some portable speaker system feature bluetooth. Even less are hassle free (NFC-based "touch to connect").
There are tons of old speaker systems in student dorms only accepting analog inputs. (Or even more ironically: accepting audio from the old (non-lightning) Apple connector that isn't produced anymore).
Luckily Bluetooth to 3mm jack / -to stereo RCA (and most ironic: to Apple 30-pin) audio dongle are cheap from China over ebay, so eventually this situation might get more jack-less friendly.
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>So again, can you explain me why Apple needs to remove functionality that is used everywhere (just go to any student party and watch how often people plug their smartphones with their music playlists into the analog jack of whatever speaker system is laying around*) just in the name of making the damn thing splash resistant ?
Because they're lying? Their true objective is multi pronged and appears to be all about pushing their own wireless standard for audio, with the secondary goal of encouraging re-pu
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what about sim card? (Score:2)
Or wait will apple brake though differing priorities between Apple and the carriers. Or will bend over and let people get raped at $15-$20 a meg when roaming with a sim that can't be changed?
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Other phones that are water resistant have those things. And a product was demo'd that could turn a phone water proof years ago even with all the ports.
I want a phone without any matter whatsoever (Score:2)
Re:I want a phone without any matter whatsoever (Score:5, Funny)
The Galaxy Note 7 tried anti-matter, but that didn't work out so well.
Re:I want a phone without any matter whatsoever (Score:5, Funny)
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I know I'm dying here. This is some funny shit.
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You just can't see the COURAGE!
Check out my earrings, I mean, earpods!
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They probably could convince their customers to pay $799 for a phone comprised of "100% Dark Matter". The users wouldn't be able to detect it or interact with it in any way, but they would be satisfied knowing that they have the most gossamer phone available.
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Amusingly, that DOES seem to be the direction Apple is taking.
Removing features left and right, and using older hardware under the plastic shine.
Eventually the iDevices will be just a rounded glass rectangle with icons painted on.
I'll wait until the iPhone 9 (Score:5, Funny)
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I wait until they're selling plain air in a box.
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Well, they do like to work with Nike. Do you want an Apple Air phone to go with your Nike Air shoes?
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I wait until they're selling plain air in a box.
iAir
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The iPhone 9 won't have a screen. This will at least double battery life.
The screen is the iWatch... Watch it actually happen. :)
Pebble actually did (Score:2)
I mean is doing.
Their next iteration (Pebble 2 / Pebble Time 2) is *still* only bluetooth connected and with limited low-power processing.
But if you want to go smartphone-less, instead of trying to pack extra smartphone functionality into the watch itself (3G connectivity, Wifi support, whatever...)
they also develop the Pebble Core a small screen-less android powered wearable computer.
Essentially, the screen-less iPhone of your joke, but for real, and powered by Android instead of iOS (and not called the "i
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The iPhone 9 won't have a screen. This will at least double battery life.
It will be designed to fit into the user's anus. And people will still line up to buy it.
It could be worse than that, and people would still line up to buy it. [theonion.com]
Interesting - let's see what happens (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder if the other hardware switches are going away as well. If so, I also wonder whether there'll at least be a "paperclip hole" to reboot the thing if it locks up. As much as I'm not a fan of killing useful functionality just because Jony Ive says I don't need it anymore, how they implement this will be the interesting detail. If it were Google or Microsoft, I'd say this would be a good way to ensure the device is on in a low-power state perpetually broadcasting its location and usage data. So far Apple seems to have resisted a lot of this data mining stuff...we'll see.
As a lesson from another industry, Ford removed most of the physical knobs and switches from their cars when they first introduced MyFordTouch. Owners freaked out when the touch screen wasn't as responsive as they'd hoped, and some of the switches have come back over time. Altering consumer behavior can be very difficult even if your consumers are rabid fans who think you can do no wrong. :-)
the samsung fires may force an battery kill switch (Score:2)
the Samsung fires may force an battery kill switch.
also an hard reboot / hard boot to recovery mode button is needed.
Re:the samsung fires may force an battery kill swi (Score:5, Insightful)
I was wondering if the Samsung fires might result in the return of user replaceable batteries. If the batteries in the Note 7 were user replaceable, people could have turned off their phones, waited for replacement batteries, and gotten those installed (or installed them themselves). Data loss would be zero and the inconvenience to the user would be minimized. Instead, the entire phone needs to be replaced which maximizes possible data loss and inconvenience.
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Re:Interesting - let's see what happens (Score:5, Insightful)
As a lesson from another industry, Ford removed most of the physical knobs and switches from their cars when they first introduced MyFordTouch. Owners freaked out when the touch screen wasn't as responsive as they'd hoped, and some of the switches have come back over time
The issue with MyFordTouch is that drivers couldn't find the buttons without looking away from the road.
"Press any key to unlock" (Score:2)
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Aesthetics Usability (Score:2, Insightful)
They're off the deep end of form over function.
fingerprint unlock (Score:2)
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We Listen (Score:5, Funny)
When you said you wanted a thinner iPhone with better battery life. We listened and got rid of that ancient headphone jack.
When you said you wanted a sleeker iPhone, something that really said 'the future is here', we listened and got rid of the last button on the iPhone.
Now, when you say that the internet, social media and games are too much of a distraction from your life and job and family, we've listened.
Introducing, the iBrick. Sleek styling, not a single button to be found, infinite battery life.
It can't access the Internet.
No social media or games are supported.
It doesn't have a screen.
It won't even make phone calls.
The iBrick. The sexiest hunk of useless plastic you'll ever pay for. Coming this fall starting at $799.99, exclusively available through AT&T.
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Are your users stupid?
Introducing the StupidaMouse, a mouse with no buttons!
What your users can't click, they can't screw up!
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/... [staticflickr.com]
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TheNoPhone already beat them to it... And they're sitting on the patent already.
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The iBrick. The sexiest hunk of useless plastic you'll ever pay for. Coming this fall starting at $799.99, exclusively available through AT&T.
As if Jony Ive would work with plastic. What a peasant's material.
The iBrick will use a unique platinum alloy, carefully polished to ensure a uniform smoothness down to a micron before receiving a special anodized coating made with unicorn tears.
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Well they clearly need to remove the speaker and the microphone as they are potential points of water ingress, because you can't have any openings to the outside world when you're going for splash resistance.
Android did it (Score:3)
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User-interface achievements (Score:2)
20 years ago a good of friend of mine posited, that a good computer should have only two buttons:
His proposal made sense at the time, but Apple went beyond that with one, and are now, if TFA is to be believed, going for zero... Is not technology wonderful?
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Re:User-interface achievements (Score:4, Funny)
You can only Retry, Abort, or Ignore.
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Do or Do Not. [youtube.com] There is no Undo.
Down the rabbit-hole (Score:2)
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It seems that the sheeple always win.
Lazy, stupid and smug, even as they're being led to the shearing sheds.
fuck the blind people (Score:2, Insightful)
Nobody cares about the blind egh ?
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Regardless of your personal and professional accomplishments, if you're blind, you couldn't possibly be cool enough to own Apple hardware.
Please try not to be bitter.
Physical buttons are expensive (Score:2)
How courageous (Score:2)
The next one won't have a screen, and you'll have to buy goggles.
Re:How courageous (Score:4, Funny)
They will be called eyePods
ET won't like this. (Score:2)
Apple iPhone 8 - no phone home ... button.
More Courage (Score:2)
So this is what civilization (Score:2)
has come to. News now is: marketing rumours about the iAnal flagship of a company that ceased innovating... how long ago again ? Ten years ? Imhotep, Archimedes and Einstein are turning in their graves.
And after that (Score:2)
Tim Cook: "And after that we're going to remove the phone capability and put in 7 cameras."
How would TouchID work? (Score:2)
Why removing 1/8" port was wrong (Score:2)
Here's why the whole "headphone ports are obsolete" concept is wrong (I will address the 'just use a dongle' retort after):
1. It is a data port. Yes, it can be used for headphones, but it is very often used as a data port for all manner of key add-ons like a Square card reader. To force companies to make an Apple only version instead of a 1/8 port version compatable with everything, Apple is guaranteeing more cost and annoyance for consumers.
Also, they just removed a port without replacing it with anything.
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Don't forget the search button. Apparently 4 buttons is too many for millennials, however.
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Hold on, slow down professor... TWO mouse buttons?!
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It's still being done. Many of the current LG phones have no home button.
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I think it's mostly just Samsung that still has hardware home/back/switcher buttons for Android devices. Most other devices use the built-in software buttons. I strongly prefer the software buttons myself, for two main reasons:
1. There's a fourth menu option for some apps that isn't anywhere visible on phones with hardware buttons (it shows up as three dots and displays a small pop-up menu on phones with software buttons). If I remember correctly, you long-press either the back or app switcher buttons t
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Yeah but all the promo photos make them look like they have chiclets, so you have to really dig if you want to make sure you have real buttons. Personally I can't stand having these on screen -- I want to be able to have my thumb on the button, feel that it is in the right place, be prepared to press it, but not press it until/unless I actually want to. So, yet another reason Apple products have never had any appeal to me goes onto the pile.
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Right... they don't... and it's their single biggest drawback and design flaw.
Feeling a tactile click is no guarantee that anything will happen, but the knowledge that your action was unambiguously communicated to the device gives you a few seconds to cool off before angrily blaming the OS. Touch-only virtual buttons deprive users of that sense of satisfying closure, increase frustration, and harm the user experience.
That's why elevators quit using all-touch virtual buttons in favor of clicky, tactile butto
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Do Nexuses not do that thing when you press one of the back/home/taskmanager buttons and it vibes once?
That said, I'd agree about liking physical buttons more. When the screen is 5.8" across (or whatever) and you want to remove the buttons to make it 5.95" it just seems silly.
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Steve Jobs knew the importance of spare organs.
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Forget that. You should be asking, "Who needs an alternate way to wake the phone when the power button fails?" (...as it did epidemically on the iPhone 5...)
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On the other hand, these days when an app locks up, I can double press the home button to get the app selector screen and quit the frozen app by sliding it off the screen.
Now if the OS fails, sure, the phone has to be restarted. However, based on my experience with software home buttons with my Android devices, the real buttons tend to work better than the software buttons, mostly because you don't have to wait for the processor to respond to even click on the button reliably. Even if I have to wait for t
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Who needs hardware inputs for when software fails.
You can say that again. [engadget.com]
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Who needs hardware inputs for when software fails.
Precisely! After I get this iPhone 7 and a new iPad mini w/ more storage, those will be my last iToys. They can get rid of home buttons, volume buttons, rotation switches and all that in future models
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Pretty sure it would only take a few uses to figure out the right spot. There was a previous /. posting that mentioned (I think) a patent filing of using haptic feedback for a virtual button. So you'll get the tactile *tap* when you "push" it. The haptics on Apple Watch aren't quite as good as physical buttons, but maybe they'll get better in the interim. There's definitely a responsiveness thing they need to get right.
The watch has a uncomfortable delay to a lot of its responses. If they can get as go
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Re: So... (Score:2)
Recognition will be by pressure, the fingerprint reader will work everywhere on the screen. Where's the problem?
Note that Apple will NEVER use a virtual button on the screen like Android because all the accessibility features rely on the user being able to press the home button without seeing it. So in the next iPhone the full screen will be the home button.
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You loved the iPhone for so many years and the past few iterations we've streamlined it like never before. Well...this year we're changing everything...again. This year we're discontinuing the iPhone name...as we've come up with a way to communicate with eachother, it's absolutely revolutionary. Let me present to you...the iBrain. With this innovation you will be able to communicate with each other in absolute real time. There's no icons to press to dial your buddy. With this ear piece unit that opera
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I hear they're planning on supplying a home button adapter with the phone.
Ya, and the wireless one will be $169.
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iPHONE 9 TO DO AWAY WITH PHONE ITSELF. APPLE States it will be the lightest device they have ever sold!
Box contents: 100% Fresh hipster air
iPHONE 9 - THE BEST iPHONE EVER.
That's nothing! (literally and figuratively) Samsung is already planning to release the Galaxy H2, which is even lighter than fresh hipster air* because it's a sealed container of hydrogen**.
* provided that the ambient air pressure is at least 0.072 atm
** Keep away from fire. Samsung claims no responsibility for hydrogen explosions
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Especially having a tactile home and power button is very useful
I think so too, but Apple doesn't give a shit what people like us want. They have to increase the "shiny" while cutting manufacturing costs, and those Home buttons are apparently hella expensive!
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I also have 128GB SD card in my phone for storage, and use the headphone jack daily. But that is another story..
OMG now you've gone too far and blasphemed against The Holy Jobs of Cupertino.
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Try swiping the front face of your Android phone while the screen is turned off.
Does nothing on my Nexus 6P. Please elaborate.
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