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Former Apple CEO Creates an iPhone Competitor 143

An anonymous reader links to Fast Company's profile of Obi Worldphone, one-time Apple CEO John Sculley's venture into smartphones. The company's first two products (both reasonably spec'd, moderately priced Android phones) are expected to launch in October. And though the phones are obviously running a different operating system than Apple's, Sculley says that Obi is a similarly design-obsessed company: "The hardest part of the design was not coming up with cool-looking designs," Sculley says. "It was sweating the details over in the Chinese factories, who just were not accustomed to having this quality of finish, all of these little details that make a beautiful design. We had teams over in China, working for months on the floor every day. We intend to continue that process and have budgeted accordingly." Obi is also trying to set itself apart from the low-price pack by cutting deals for premium parts. "Instead of going directly to the Chinese factories, we went to the key component vendors, because we know that ecosystem and have the relationships," Sculley says. "We went to Sony. It’s struggling and losing money on its smartphone business, but they make the best camera modules in the world."
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Former Apple CEO Creates an iPhone Competitor

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  • Newton OS + smart phone = dumb phone
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Only two rounded edges, maybe he hopes Apple will only half-sue him.
  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:35PM (#50404851) Journal

    " quality of finish, all of these little details that make a beautiful design"

    Yeah, that's nice and all, but what we really want is usability. Freedom from the advertising deluge. Control. Everybody and their brother can make a svelte 3D mockup that looks beautiful. But in the end it's going to come down to software. It's why Apple ruled the roost early on. A beautiful piece of garbage is still a piece of garbage. And, tbh, we have enough of that out here at the moment.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by mlts ( 1038732 )

      I want a phone that backs off the bleeding edge somewhat when it comes to thinness, and allows for better battery capacity. Similar with having 8 cores of 64 bit ARM processors.

      The classic example of a simple, yet functioning design would be the Palm V. PalmOS wasn't the fastest kid on the block... but it worked, was extremely usable, and for what it did, it did well. Plus, the design still looks good today.

      I want a decent smartphone. I don't want a tracker device to give every advertiser every single p

      • Even though your requirements are so unique that they will only be able to sell it in single digits, I'm sure they will be happy to know you loved it, after all: Apple casters to the hundreds of millions of other users.
      • 3: Timeless design. Not silver painted plastic. The Palm V is 15+ years old, and it still looks decent even compared to modern units.

        The Palm V looks like something shat out by a more modern handheld. Seriously. It looks like my Transformer Prime did a poo. At least pick a Tungsten.

        I like the idea of a phone that can run multiple operating systems at once, though. That would be neat, if it didn't punch your battery in the nuts.

      • by mysidia ( 191772 )

        I don't want a tracker device to give every advertiser every single piece of data the phone gets. I don't want a media device slinging ads, loaded with bloatware.

        You can either have a smartphone, or you can avoid having those things, not all 3 things.

        Nokia 3310 [wikipedia.org] for no ads, bloatware, trackers for advertisers.

        It's not a smartphone, but it is a smart phone.

        • He doesn't need to go back. He can buy an iPhone. Apple's business model isn't about tracking users. Whilst of course there's there's implicit traceability if you choose to use anything that needs the cloud, Apple doesn't force that on you, or do anything that is explicitly intended to track you for advertisers.

          Third party software might track location. But that's mostly about making the choice whether you want to pay for an app up front, or opt for adware.

          As to bloatware, again that's not a smartphone prob

    • " quality of finish, all of these little details that make a beautiful design"

      Yeah, that's nice and all, but what we really want is usability. Freedom from the advertising deluge. Control. Everybody and their brother can make a svelte 3D mockup that looks beautiful. But in the end it's going to come down to software. It's why Apple ruled the roost early on. A beautiful piece of garbage is still a piece of garbage. And, tbh, we have enough of that out here at the moment.

      And beautiful design and usability are mutually exclusive? Let's save our scorn until after we have actually seen a working example of this thing and confirmed by physically testing the device that it is not usable.

      • Look, if the CEO is infinitely concerned about the finish and feel, and says nothing about the system, then it better be a piece of jewelry he's talking about - not a phone. Getting a nice finish isn't hard - all the majors are doing it. Getting a nice interface is much more difficult - almost nobody is getting it right. But he's not crowing about how he's talking every effort to make usability the number one goal - he's just polishing the fenders and hoping you don't ask about what's under the hood.

    • There's an increasing amount of good open source software on Android that can replace the Google crap. I'm now using:
      • OSMAnd [f-droid.org], which is actually the reason that I'm still using Android. Best mobile maps app (Nokia's Here is better for driving, but not for walking): offline vector maps that are small enough that you can fit a few entire countries on the phone, offline routing, and so on. The version on the Play store is not as good. I used to use the free version on Play, but actually donated $10 to the
  • It looks like the SJ1.5 is 3g? Which frankly is plenty fast for any data I need to access on a 5" device, but the carries are not standing up the towers so.. I want my 4g.

  • by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:39PM (#50404885)

    Yeah, you might want to think about how you word that.

  • clauses? You know, the same kind that Apple and, like, every other tech company in Silicon Valley feel obliged to lob at at new-hire programmers and such. Or do they not do that anymore?

    • by nofx911 ( 634100 ) * on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:49PM (#50404965) Homepage

      Non-Compete Clauses are illegal/void in California:
      http://californianoncompete.co... [californianoncompete.com]

    • by aitikin ( 909209 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:55PM (#50404993)
      I've never seen a non-compete that was even remotely enforceable for more than a reasonable time frame (ie 2 years). This guy hasn't been CEO of Apple for 20+ years.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      1983 to 1993: that is when Sculley was CEO of Apple.

      Even Apple wouldn't want to pay for a 20 or 25 years non-compete clause.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt.nerdflat@com> on Thursday August 27, 2015 @05:05PM (#50405069) Journal

      Non-competes are often not enforceable after a person's employment contract is over. If a company doesn't want you to work for a competitor, they can usually be required to compensate you for that, typically in an amount equivalent to salary for the duation of the non-compete.

      They may be able to successfully sue you for NDA violation, as long as they have a sufficient factual basis to show that it was more likely than not that you had actually violated the NDA. But that's not the same thing as a non-compete.

      • They may be able to successfully sue you for NDA violation, as long as they have a sufficient factual basis to show that it was more likely than not that you had actually violated the NDA.

        That would be difficult to prove in this case since he has been gone for 20 years and apples reputation for keeping it's trade secrets secret.

      • by Guspaz ( 556486 )

        If my employers wanted to pay me 25 years of salary for a non-compete clause... I'd be happy to oblige.

        • by mark-t ( 151149 )
          No noncompete is that long... typically, they are measured in weeks or months. The compensation is typically paid out all at once, much like severance pay, if it is applicable.
          • by Guspaz ( 556486 )

            Yeah, and Sculley hasn't been CEO of Apple for more than two decades.

            Anyhow, non-competes here in Quebec are only valid here if they are pretty carefully worded (they're legal, but courts have voided non-compete clauses that were considered unreasonably broad). Even if somebody working for Apple in Quebec had a non-compete clause, and went to work for a smartphone company in Quebec making low-end phones, the employee could probably argue successfully that the new smartphone company did not operate in the sa

    • A 22 year non-complete? That would not be an agreement, it would be indentured servitude.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    So you have to spend a bunch of effort to make a reasonable quality smartphone in China.. and buying the components from a supplier directly is better than asking the middle man to do it for you... um wow!! I'm shocked!!

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Thanks but no thanks. Chernobyl. Three Mile Island. John Sculley. There are something that you should avoid at all costs.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 27, 2015 @04:59PM (#50405025)

    Apple has nothing to worry about.

    • by Pieroxy ( 222434 )

      Apple has nothing to worry about.

      I disagree right here. After all, the guy - and he is the only one who can claim this - came very close to sinking Apple itself!

      If there's one guy Apple should be worry about it's the one that almost killed them.

  • Chinese factories, who just were not accustomed to having this quality of finish, all of these little details that make a beautiful design

    Have they tried some other country's factories? Like, to pick at random, the US? Just a thought...

    How much more expensive would it make each unit, if they were made in a better place?

    • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

      Lol was looking for this comment. Sad I had to scroll down for it, and not find it modded up yet.

      I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more expensive. The stuff they get away with in China is literally criminal over here. How much more, I don't know- no one is making them to compare.

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      • by mi ( 197448 )

        The West has no such industry, most factories aren't set up to build anything but specific products for the owners of the factory concerned

        But those owners can have a rather diverse set of products to make still. For example, when we were placing an order for "Lutron" light-switches for our house, the manufacturer made that customized order for us — a total of about 60 devices, some of them standard (sold at Home Depot), but others more specific.

        as long as we assume manufacturing is somehow beneath us

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @05:05PM (#50405065)
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  • by labradore ( 26729 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @06:36PM (#50405633)

    I call BS. The people running Chinese factories understand quality far better than most of the world. They are constantly concerned with it and have a mandate to move up the quality and technology chain, else lose their shirts when Vietnam or Bangladesh or some other poor Asian country hits the power curve part of the contract manufacturing business.

    This guy must have picked the cheapest of cheap desperate Chinese manufacturers and then decided to ride them like hell on details. Apple, LG, Samsung and so many others build the top-quality devices in China. Anyone credible over there knows what they're doing.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @08:13PM (#50406141)

      This guy must have picked the cheapest of cheap

      This is the key part right here. You want the cheapest nastiest piece of plastic that will fall apart as you unpack it? China has what you want. You want top quality precision ground mirrors for a high-end telescope? China has what you want.

      The only question is how much money you wish to part with.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      You HAVE to ride Chinese factories on details. They simply don't understand why they're important. They'll do the work according to your standards as long as you're supervising, but as soon as you think they've got it and you don't need to watch them any more, bam, it's right back to the old way.
  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Thursday August 27, 2015 @06:39PM (#50405663) Homepage Journal

    Sure, the guy ran Pepsico for a while.

    But his business management was so damn pedestrian that he took Apple from a growing company with a complete lock on the education and AV markets to an also-ran that became so afraid of innovation (mostly because Jobs had gone wild, running after any and everything, before that) that the company stagnated nearly to death.

    He was okay as a brand manager. But absolute shit at actually LEADING the company and bringing forth new products.

    • But wasn't Jobs the one who gave Sculley the job? So the pre-iMac Jobs was just as guilty as Sculley of nearly running Apple to the ground?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Scully increased Apple's revenue ten fold during his tenure as CEO. It was the idiots who followed him that tanked the company.

      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2469542,00.asp

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Sculley was the guy who wanted to be a cultural superstar. In the process, he saw Steve Jobs getting in the way (turns out Jobs really wanted to run the company, although he was perfectly happy to leave the CEO title to Sculley) so Sculley pushed him aside.

        Sure, Apple's revenues were high because Sculley milked the Mac as a cash cow even while Windows was taking off. By the time Sculley was thrown out, the game was lost. Microsoft and Windows had won, Mac OS and OS/2 had lost.

        Oh, BTW Sculley stole the id

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  • Why does the interface look like an ipod? Oh right...
  • by Anonymous Coward
    ...is what I thought when I saw the name.
  • Yes, cool looking is good, cost effective high-quality production helps, but if the underlying functioning of the device is bad or mediocre, no cool looks will help! Under his CEO-ship Apple was run down to just barely surviving by his strategy & decisions.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I believe one of the things John Sculley was best known for is the "Pepsi Challenger" where people were given unmarked cups of Pepsi and Coke to drink and decide which tastes better. So it seems only natural to expect John Sculley's new company will eventually run advertisements where people have to stick an iPhone and an Obi Worldphone in their mouth and then state which was better.

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