The Town That Banned Wi-Fi 529
An anonymous reader sends a story from The Guardian about Green Bank, West Virginia, a small town housing the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. There are other telescopes nearby, too. Because the telescopes are so sensitive, stray electromagnetic signals are strictly regulated in the surrounding area, which is called the National Radio Quiet Zone. But the town is running into a problem: its population was around 120 when this began, and by now about 40 people have moved there because they want to get away from radio waves and Wi-Fi signals and other types of electromagnetic radiation.
There have been reports of tensions in the town: tales of threats and abuse unfitting to a sleepy mountain village. And it is all the stranger when you consider that no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists. ... Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. ... People would walk towards [one woman] with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensitivity descended into a slanging match.
Sad, isn't it? (Score:5, Funny)
A thunderstorm must torture these people terribly.
Re:Sad, isn't it? (Score:4, Funny)
Never mind that, just think of all the EM from the sun!
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Jupiter and Venus are converging [sciencealert.com] this month!
So that explains what's causing the the extra stress and aberrant behavior of the inhabitants.
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. . . then you can imagine all the "fun" sadistic police would have with these folks and a Taser.
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Re:Sad, isn't it? (Score:5, Funny)
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hey, I think it's great that these particular crazies have a town to move to. I mean, to voluntarily live under radio silence already takes a special kind of person. This seems like really good news.
I'd love to see more towns concentrate all the gluten-free or GMO-free or nut-free or chemtrail-free or DHMO-free people. I suppose I should clarify 'tree nuts' to disambiguate word overloading on this story.
Re: Sad, isn't it? (Score:5, Funny)
It's organic, non-GMO, gluten free, free range EM.
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Whole House Plug (Score:5, Funny)
They could have just opted for "science" and the incredibly cheap $50 Whole House Plug Neutralizer and neutralize those bad boy EMFs :)
http://www.amazon.com/Aulterra... [amazon.com]
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"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Funny)
So, they have to hide from the Sun during the day like a vampire also?
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Interesting)
Many people are sensitive not to EM radiation, but to seeing antennas. A telco here first installs the antenna systems on their towers (this is easier to do when everything is off and there are no feedlines connected), then a month later or so a technical team installs and connects the actual comms equipment.
Health complaints start instantly when the (still disconnected) antennas are installed. Furthermore, receive only systems give the same amount of complaints as systems with active transmitters. Systems with hidden antennas (on a roof for example) give almost no complaints.
Dish antennas give disproportionately many complaints, even though they are very directional and thus should not leak radiation where it is not desired.
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Funny)
If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes. They must be really powerful if they can see for millions of miles, right? Just look how big they are!
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Funny)
No shit. I went to a studio to record some stuff last week, and the microphone was so big I was worried my hearing was going to be damaged.
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If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes.
Instead, they should do what crazies have done for generations--move to Alaska.
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:4)
If that's the case they're pretty dumb for moving to a place full of radio telescopes.
Instead, they should do what crazies have done for generations--move to Alaska.
To be fair, Alaska is amazing. You can see Russia from there!
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The area of the planet where you can actually see EMF [wikipedia.org]?
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Informative)
Many people are sensitive not to EM radiation, but to seeing antennas.
More precisely: They are sensitive to believing that an antenna is working. There have been studies where people showed symptoms when a button was pressed and a red light went on to demonstrate that an antenna was transmitting, and the symptoms disappeared when the button was pressed again and the red light went off. (Nothing was transmitted at any time during the experiment).
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Insightful)
I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.
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I was going to suggest that the more sensible option would be to get rid of the woman as she was faking sickness to get days off - especially if the "sickness" goes when the light is off - but then she would probably have sued because just because it's psychosomatic it doesn't mean she's actually sick.
A psychosomatic reaction _would_ mean she was sick. Symptoms such as inflammation, nausea, vomiting and diorreah can manifest due to purely psychosomatic causes.
Just the same, people who believe this kind of nonsense still piss me off.
Shoggoth.
Posting anon due to mod points.
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Generally I would agree with you WRT wifi-induced illnesses. However just because something is psychosomatic doesn't mean a person is not sick. Talk with someone with a severe anxiety disorder, or PTSD. They aren't sick with a virus or an infection. There isn't any diseased or tissue physically traumatized. But they can definitely be "sick" due to their condition. I'm married to such a person that on bad days when they are triggered, such a sickness is extremely debilitating.
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Insightful)
True, but there's a bit of a difference. Someone with PTSD could very well have that disease (which is a mental illness) due to traumatic experiences, such as being in combat. You can't just wish that away, at least until they develop memory-erasing technology like in the movie "Paycheck". Similarly, someone with severe anxiety disorder may have that problem because of (or have it greatly exacerbated by) various life experiences, too much stress, etc. Not everyone is rich enough to just go take a nice, long vacation and relax.
Someone who gets sick because of WiFi (even when the WiFi device is turned off and they don't realize this) is doing it to themselves; it hasn't been done to them. It's another version of hypochondria, and a lot like religion. With people with PTSD or anxiety disorder, there's things you can do to help them: give them counseling to help deal with their traumatic memories, do things to make their lives easier so they can de-stress, etc. There's nothing you can do for one of these wifi-hypochondriacs, because it's all based on their irrational belief about EM fields, which you can't change using logic and reason; similarly there's nothing you can do for someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old, or they're infested with Body Thetans or demons, because these beliefs can't be changed with logic and reason, they're completely irrational.
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Now wait, maybe she has blinking LED sensitivity? That's a serious issue, especially when you have nothing to do all day but stare at blinking LEDs.
Remember, when a blinking LED is on, it's transmitting electromagnetic radiation....
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Funny)
You have a LIVING HUMAN in reception in your company??? Answering the phone and greeting people who walk in?
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Funny)
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Necrophobe!
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Insightful)
There seem to be two types of such humans: security guards for the building, who are very underpaid and unlikely to take sick days, their companies can replace them quickly. And cheeful pretty women with curves, who are still effective first contacts for making people feel welcome. And if they're playing the "wahhh, I need sick days!!" card, they're related to someone on staff.
My father taught me "make friends with these people", and I *always* make friends with them and the cleaning staff. They work there, they're often treated like furniture, and they know material that the board and HR keep behind very poorly managed masks of confidentiality.
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There seem to be two types of such humans: security guards for the building, who are very underpaid and unlikely to take sick days, their companies can replace them quickly. And cheeful pretty women with curves, who are still effective first contacts for making people feel welcome.
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My father taught me "make friends with these people", and I *always* make friends with them and the cleaning staff. They work there, they're often treated like furniture, and they know material that the board and HR keep behind very poorly managed masks of confidentiality.
These people also typically have unbelievable levels of security accesse. They can be powerful allies.
Keeping idiots employed (Score:2)
After we installed a Wifi relay in the lobby, the idi^H^Hperson manning the entrance started taking sick days after sick days, claiming the wifi was making her sick.
I would personally fire such a person. Someone that stupid is going to be a detriment to the company at some point.
Then we activated it and placed a piece of black tape on the LEDs, told her 'Fine, we won't be using it then', and all was fine.
You are much kinder than I would be. I hope this person had many other wonderful qualities to offset her lack of critical reasoning ability.
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Insightful)
That is almost a well designed experiment. For counter-balancing it should randomise when something is being transmitted, and not, independently of the light. That would collect data on all four conditions.
Sorry, I have to pick these things apart for a living and it gets difficult to stop sometimes.
Re: "Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:2, Informative)
That has already been done, using a setup with a blinking light and rf that is either on or off independently, and effect is completely correlated to the light and uncorrelated to the rf.
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Follow-up studies are needed to see if the colour of the LED makes a difference. Try with green (usually used to show "traffic"), orange (sometimes used to show "traffic", or "link speed"), and blue (annoyingly used on things that need to be on in the dark). Maybe to really mix things up, throw in some purple or yellow or white as well. :)
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Bullshit. Woodstock, NY, about as liberal place as you will find in the US, has so many of these loonies that the town board is trying to ban smart meters.
Re:"Other types of electromagnetic radiation" (Score:5, Informative)
That is not 'hearing' EM, that is just hearing vibrating components.
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You might be hearing coil noise [wikipedia.org]. Perhaps you're better at hearing higher frequencies than other people.
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SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:2)
How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?
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Because mental disorders are taboo and nobody dares messing with those wackos.
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Because mental disorders are taboo and nobody dares messing with those wackos.
Also theres money to be made from delusional wackos, like the transgenders who'll pay for cosmetic surgery to help back up their delusion.
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They feel pressured by society into making a choice, that they have to throw themselves completely into trying to be male XOR female. They can't be allowed to be a bit of both.
Sure. There are people like that, and no-one rational should prevent them from living their lives as they see fit. If someone wants to be a little bit girl and a little bit boy, then more power to them.
But that's not everyone is it? The fact is that there are people who feel trapped in the wrong-gendered body, and wish to change it. It's their body, and they should be free to modify it how they please. I don't believe that this is always the result of black-and-white girl-or-boy false dichotomies (if that's what they are, you get the idea). After all, gender modification is a serious undertaking, and takes years of surgery and medication. You're saying that everyone that undergoes that process is delusional, and should be happy with the bits that god gave them?
But the truth is that they can't change it. There is no way to change their gender. What they are being offered is cosmetic surgery to give the *appearance* of the other gender.
Cosmetic surgery cannot alter gender.
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Insightful)
Just like the recent vaccine scare. It is hard to prove to people that something is indeed safe. One off comment that something is dangerious our a dangerious word is used to explain it is enough to turn off their brains and go into fear mode.
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Exactly this. And just like with the anti-vaccine folks, if you debunk one claim "Electrosensitive" people make, they will deny your evidence to the contrary, claim it's part of a conspiracy, and/or give new reasons why EM Sensitivity exists/vaccines are bad. In the latter case, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole where NOT disproving their latest theory PROVES (to them) that they are correct. It doesn't matter if this is Theory #7,453 - you must prove it wrong or else they are right!
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Informative)
From TFA:
“I encourage scientists to go to where we are and measure the environment,” she replied. “Don’t try to pretend that you’re God and expose us to different frequencies in a lab. That’s like taking someone and breaking their legs and asking how much it hurts.”
“Conventional government-funded science isn’t a reliable indicator of health defects,” she told me. “There’s a vested interest in keeping the truth out of circulation. But the independent science isn’t sceptical about it at all.”
And "Eventually I established that I was reacting to a buried cellphone tower. US Cellular was the brand – I didn’t react to AT&T, Spring or Cellular One towers.” She reeled off the names as if it would be the most normal thing in the world to have a brand-specific allergy."
Many of them are not willing to take part on experiments. And if they do, they can always say science is flawed, the symptoms are frequency- or even brand-specific and if all else fails, you know: "It's a conspiration and I felt bad throughout the whole experiment because chemtrails."
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I'm guessing it's the stickers or paint on the actual equipment causing the problems, seeing as it's all probably the same Ericsson or Huawei kit.
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:4, Funny)
You missed the best quote:
“See those?” he asked.
“Aeroplane trails?”
“Not contrails – chemtrails,” he said. “The government sprays the air – it gets in the atmosphere.” He paused and looked me in the eye. “The world needs to know what’s happening here.”
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A burried cell phone tower? How will that work?
The molepeople need cell service too.
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no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists
How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?
Because no matter how much you want to, poking these people's eyes out is against the law.
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no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists
How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?
Well I doubt that such an experiment would establish that electrosensitivity exists....
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Interesting)
no serious scientific study has been able to establish that electrosensitivity exists How come nobody had the common courtesy of a "simple" double blind experiment?
It's ridiculous to think for even a second that this hasn't happened. Of course there are such studies.
The two key words here are 'serious'. -A qualifier which isn't applied to any study which doesn't support the party line.
No, it refers to controlled experiments run and managed in accordance with established best practice. On the other hand, you ARE guilty of dismissing studies based on conclusions, rather than methodology.
-And specifying "electrosensitivity". -Which means tests demonstrating, (for one example), that the blood/brain barrier becomes permeable under exposure to certain low-power frequencies, regardless of its repeatability or implications, is not relevant if the study doesn't specifically look at somebody claiming "electrosensitivity".
Some of the studies have focused on self-identified electrosensitives.
Now let me talk about MY electro-sensitivity. There is a high-voltage power line that crosses the motorway on the route between my childhood home and where my grandparents used to live. When we went under it, I used to get a funny feeling in the top of my head -- every time, without fail. So someone if my family (I can't remember who) suggested that I shut my eyes and tell them when I felt it. For a year or two, I kept opening my eyes too early and seeing the powerlines before we went under them. So one year I got determined to do it properly. I closed my eyes as soon as we reached the first bend on the motorway and kept them shut for ten minutes or more. No sensation. Ever since then, I have felt nothing whatsoever when passing under the lines. I couldn't even make myself conjure up or relive the sensation.
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Funny)
It's because by then, that part of your brain had already burned out.
[John]
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There was one time when an electricity pylon was placed on pasture land that became water-logged at certain times of the year.
Whenever this happened, the cattle in the pasture would end up standing side on to the pylon. Whenever they moved into a position where the were standing perpendicular to the pylon, they would give a small jump and then turn sideways.
Standing sideways, meant that the resitance between the near-pylon side of the cow and the far-from-pylon side of the cow, was less than the resistanc
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Especially hard if you have experiments that prove that you CAN indeed manipulate the brain with elecromagnetic stimulation:
http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel... [heise.de]
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com... [wiley.com]
So we're way past the "is there a measurable effect - yes or no" phase.
Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid (Score:5, Informative)
The thing is EMF strength falls off due to the inverse square law. The strength needed to actually impact the body is far greater than what is put off by cell phones and wifi.
Standing in front of a Jet plane with its active radar on can render you sterile. A jet plane flying overhead with its radar on doesn't even give you goosebumps.
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Yes, but it's far far more difficult to find out the threshold on how radiated, how far away, how sensitive you have to be to become sterile, or to be completely safe, or to receive damage with which probability. 90%? 0.09%? What probability is considered safe, which one is measurable at all. What about long term effects?
Would be much easier if you could start by showing that even high doses of EM radiation had no ill effects. But now quantitative studies have to be done. Even harder when 99% of those peopl
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Nope. We're looking for falsification.
Those experiments only show that no subject sensitive to those low levels has been studied yet.
Granted, it would be easier if you had not to test a bunch of wackos who CLAIM to be sensitive at those levels. And it would be a safe guess and you wouldn't even have to think of designing experiments to prove or disprove low level sensitivity if you could show that high energy levels don't have an effect either, but high levels have an effect.
So we're in the scientific dead
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Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?
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If you read the article (I know, I know...) the people who have actually lived there for generations are upset with it because the crazies are showing up and making unreasonable demands (stores have to use certain kinds of lights, etc.) and are going out on the internet and telling other crazies to come live there. It's a (very) small town that can't support too many people, and the residents who've lived there all their lives are at risk of being forced out by these people.
Instead of giving them space, how
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A week-long festival isn't really comparable to living somewhere year-round.
Le Mans gets 250,000+ people showing up every year for the 24hr but it's fine because they're only there for a week.
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A bad customer is worse than no customer. First, "EMF sensitivity nutjob" doesn't like your florescent lights, then he or she doesn't like your doorbell, then he or she doesn't like something else. It's a no-win situation because you are trying to appease someone who is actually insane.
Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't there room for other loonies too?
The problem is that the town originally had 120 normal residents. Now, 40 extreme sensitives have moved there, and have started stirring up trouble, like demanding that other residents remove neon lights in stores, etc. The original residents are not enthused with this, and fear that the loonies with drive them out of their own town.
Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:4, Funny)
Seems to me they just need to invest in plenty of neon signs reading "FUCK OFF!".
Re: Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:2)
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Simple - put neon tubes everywhere and starve the loons out of town.
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Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
C'mon, folks. What's wrong with you? You may think electromagnetic sensitivity is real or just hysteria -- but going out of your ways to "prove" "them" "wrong" seems just too much.
Its more than proving them wrong, they don't need to do that. The point is to piss them off and get them to leave.
Nut jobs who think wifi is bothering them are NUT JOBS. These kind of people are a problem in a civilized society because we can't just kill them when they annoy everyone with their lunacy. So the next best thing you can do is annoy them back until they go away.
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If your wife was "sensitive" the neighbours having mayo in their fridge, you might have a slightly different opinion.
Wow, Yet Another Harrassment Narrative (Score:5, Insightful)
In an effort to make Green Bank more navigable, Schou made some requests of local businesses. A Dollar Store was opening, but its fluorescent and halogen lights would be intolerable. She asked that they were changed. “They wouldn’t do it. And without the light it gets very dark in there, so they’re not willing to turn off the power.” She took to eating her meals in the senior citizens’ centre, where a gap in the lighting gave her some peace. But walking to collect her food entailed exposure to problem bulbs, so she would ask others to wait on her.
Things came to a head. A town meeting was called. “She became very demanding, asking other people to turn their lights off or replace their bulbs,” said Stewart. “It was too much. And Schou was encouraging other sensitives to move here, and this is not a town with many jobs or houses to begin with.”
Where the locals might have been happy to tolerate one or two of the sensitives, the mass migration was beyond the pale. Another sensitive who moved to Green Bank was reported to have flown into a rage at the library, denouncing the “dumb hillbillies”. “People tell me to stop encouraging others to move here, and to stop bringing them into stores,” Schou confirms. “The hostility continues.” People would walk towards Schou with concealed electronics, in an effort to provoke a reaction. A meeting she and her husband organised to help educate the others about electrosensivity descended into a slanging match. Schou, who has called herself a “technological leper,” said the ill will went further: “I had a visitor staying, a fellow refugee, and the air was let out of our car tyres overnight.”
At best, she is a nuisance demanding everyone accommodate her invisible disability that she has zero evidence for. At worst, it sounds like she might be trying to literally take over the town by creating a solid electro-senstive voting block.
As for the townsfolk harrassing her, well we once again have only her word on that. And after almost a year seeing unverified and outright known to be false accusations of harrassment trumpeted in the media--the Guardian itself being one of the (very) guilty outlets--yeah, I'm gonna need some substantial evidence before I believe a word of that either.
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So why is she not simply converting to Amish?
They do not use electricity at all unless required to do so (by health codes, such as refrigerators in their food processing areas).
They use natural gas for lighting, and all hand tools.
Most of them are farming and have large open air spaces.
In fact, since they tend to be closed-in, they are needing new people to come in so their incidence of genetic diseases would decrease, and refresh the gene pool.
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Simple: these "electrosensitives" aren't willing to work that hard.
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> As for the townsfolk harassing her, well we once again have only her word on that. And after almost a year seeing unverified and outright known to be false accusations of harassment trumpeted in the media--the Guardian itself being one of the (very) guilty outlets--yeah, I'm gonna need some substantial evidence before I believe a word of that either.
It's within the realm of possibility. I'm sad to say that when younger, I remember such actions against unwelcome races, genders, religions, sexuality, inc
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Pretty much how liberals take over any place.
or Conservatives.
Just a different list of things you can/can't do.
Re:Yeah, make fun of them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't this an acceptable solution? Give them space where they can have their way. Radiosensitivity is a harmless crazy. It's not like the United States of America lack space. Every year many thousands of tech freaks gather in a desert to live out their dream of a high tech tribal life. Isn't there room for other loonies too?
You're missing the story between the lines here aren't you? Most of the people here are as well. The real reason that the residence are complaining is that this is a tiny rural town in West Virginia and most of the existing population will not be able to weather any amount of gentrification. After all it was chosen for the site of these radio telescopes because there was never any pre-existing infrastructure to reconfigure or rip-down. The types of people that can just uproot their lives and move to a backwoods town in the middle of nowhere are either retired or independently wealthy. Either way that family home that some-ones great great grand-pappy built with his own two hands is getting knocked into the dirt where it belongs and a shiny new McMansion is going up. They're pissed because there ain't nothin' that brother-cousin Cletus can do about any of it.
Maybe, maybe not (Score:2)
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See Morgellon's Disease [wikipedia.org]. At least mainstream medicine calls it what it is - Delusional Parasitosis [wikipedia.org].
Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. (Score:2)
From TFA: "Sweden is one of the few places to recognise electrosensitivity as a disability and the government will help sufferers insulate their homes."
I suppose they can also apply for full disability and a pension because they cannot work in any modern environment.
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Yeah, Sweden, fiberglass insulation will really do a lot to stop electromagnetic waves, no?
Re:Subsidized tin foil hats: Only in Sweden. (Score:5, Informative)
The article is wrong.
EHS isn't generally recognized as something but psychosomatic illness by medical science however the use of the label is allowed (EU directive IIRC).
Some places gives money to "sanitize" the homes of people claiming sensitivity - but most doesn't. The stated goal for those places that do isn't to reduce electromagnetic radiation per se but to reduce the nocebo effect. The law doesn't count alleged EHS as a disability and doesn't require anyone to reduce EM exposure which it would if the effect were considered real.
People diagnosed with EHS may apply for disability just as other suffering from some serious psychosomatic illnesses.
In short it seems that Sweden was listed as an example to "prove" the effect is real as considered by some state. That's simply false. The local law, medical science and research all consider it being purely psychosomatic triggered by the nocebo effect.
An article last January (Score:2)
in The Washingtonian [washingtonian.com] probably inspired the Guardian's article.
Not So Fast (Score:5, Informative)
The FCC ban was created in 1958. The town didn't ban this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
was this funded by cable companies? (Score:2)
A rose by any other name (Score:4, Insightful)
A synonym for electrosensitivity is hypochondriac.
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A blacksmith i worked with, was sensitive to magnetism, due to the levels of iron that were embedded in his skin, and his sensitivity in muscle control due to twenty years working with a wide range of hammers. He could feel qualitative differences in magnetic fields, which was great for diagnosing faults in electric motors. :D
It's not outside of the range of possibility that there are people who are sensitive to this.
Take that NSA! (Score:2)
Bwahahahaha, my evil plan... "Release the brainwashed electro-sensitive zombies!", all but invisible to the NSA, no known modern technology can track them...
The Quiet Zone protects the telescopes of the NRAO facility, and the antennas and receivers of the U.S. Navy's Information Operations Command (NIOC) at Sugar Grove. The NIOC has long been the location of electronic intelligence-gathering systems, and is today said to be a key station in the ECHELON system operated by the National Security Agency (NSA)
Let see how long they can stand the onslaught of pseudo-science arguments until they cave and abandon post.
it is NOT all the stranger (Score:2)
When you have an influx of people who are delusional, then conflict is to be expected.
Re: MASS MIGRATION!!!! (Score:3)
Re:MASS MIGRATION!!!! (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you don't change your lightbulb for her, that's harassment!
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We wouldn't expect the Amish to accept it either.
Who is this "we"? Much like an FCC notice, I would expect the Amish to have to receive non-interfering RF. And that's the point, isn't it? These people are claming to be sensitive to things even the radio observatory isn't bothered by, because it's below the level of the background noise.
In fact, they almost seem to be a small religion that is lacking a charismatic leader.
Oh, no. Never base your religion on something that can be conclusively disproven by science.
Now, I can get a headache from a CRT television that somebody left on in the corner with no signal — I can literally hear tha
Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, apparently. They are insisting the residents change their own electrical fixtures to accomodate their own little neuroses, for one thing.
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But they ARE interfering!
Re:People need to learn to stop giving a shit (Score:4, Insightful)
Are they interfering with your life?
Did you RTFA? They are interfering. They are going about town demanding that other people turn off electrical stuff that they imagine causes their imaginary disease.
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You have a very strange idea of what not interfering is.
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