5G Network Speed Defined As 20 Gbps By the International Telecommunication Union 81
An anonymous reader writes with a report at Mobipicker (linking to a Korea Times story) that a 12-member committee from the International Telecommunication Union has hashed out a formal definition of the speed requirements for 5G mobile networking; the result has been designated IMT-2020, and it specifies that 5G networks should provide data speeds of up to 20Gbps -- 20 times faster than 4G. From the Korea Times story: The 5G network will also have a capacity to provide more than 100 megabits-per-second average data transmission to over one million Internet of Things devices within 1 square kilometer. Video content services, including ones that use holography technology, will also be available thanks to the expanded data transmit capacity, the ministry said. ... The union also decided to target commercializing the 5G network worldwide by 2020. To do so, it will start receiving applications for technology which can be candidates to become the standard for the new network. Consequently, the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Olympic Games will be the world's first international event to showcase and demonstrate 5G technology.
caps (Score:5, Insightful)
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By the way, is it just me, or does Slashdot's newly modified layout make it impossible for everybody else to read the end of the headline as well?
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It does if you're zoomed in with chrome.
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I'm at the normal zoom level. Same with IE and Firefox where it also does it.
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Appears fine to me...
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So here in the USA (Score:3)
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I don't want 2-3Gps. I have to pay $10 per gigabyte. I don't want to lose thousands of dollars a few minutes of some app going haywire.
Re:So here in the USA (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't want 2-3Gps. I have to pay $10 per gigabyte. I don't want to lose thousands of dollars a few minutes of some app going haywire.
Well, thank you for pointing out the two main issues here. Greedy providers that abuse caps for revenue, and apps that suck your data plan dry not by going "haywire" but by design.
This is also why competition is absolutely essential, and enough of it. Otherwise, you merely end up with a price fixing consortium hell-bent on raping every consumer.
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Well, thank you for pointing out the two main issues here. Greedy providers that abuse caps for revenue, and apps that suck your data plan dry not by going "haywire" but by design.
The 5G Network Speed Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4, 2015. Human decisions are removed from strategic communications. 5G begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Easter time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
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Hm, my carrier updated their software so 5G is displayed on my phone...
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Well, look at Verizon. Sure, not exactly the same as Verizon Wireless, but bear with me.
They started building out FiOS. Putting money where their mouth is.
But some MBA along the line figures that the expected ROI on it is beyond some arbitrary, magic number, and the FiOS rollout just stops.
Then, Verizon sells most of FiOS to Frontier. Is Frontier building out any more FiOS? Not in the area I live in.
At least in Beaverton, OR, you have neighborhoods or blocks with FiOS, and right across the street, nada. Luc
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2-3gbps? Dream on.
4G was *supposed* to be 1gbit/s and average speeds are 20-40mbit/s if you're lucky.
Using similar math, I'd expect maybe 1gbit/s by the time marketing gets done with it and 500mbit/s in real life.
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Up to (Score:5, Insightful)
I just get so sick of marketing speak. "Up to" could mean anything here -- setting an upper limit of 20gbps is useless. Tell me what the average speed I can expect will be, at least then I can have some idea what I'll actually get.
Re:Up to (Score:5, Insightful)
"up to", that means "as long as our system is theoretically capable of 20gps, we can give you 1gbps without breaking any of the rules. enjoy your bits through our straw!"
That's one thing I'd change if I had the authority... new consumer protection law... "when advertising, you're not allowed to state any maximum possible customer value without also stating the minimum possible value using equal authority"
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100kbps before you're throttled, 9600bps afterwards?
"Up To..." (Score:5, Insightful)
"Up To" is a weasel word/expression. It doesn't actually mean anything, or at least nothing useful to the consumer. It means marketing can claim pretty much whatever they like. I can have a store with thousands of items, with a single item that is 90% off, and I can truthfully say that my products are "up to 90% off." A carrier can offer terrible data speed accept for a customer standing right next to one of their towers and marketing can still truthfully say "up to 20 Gbps." It's only meaningful/useful if it's "At Least..." instead of "Up To..."
But then a competitor would only have to find one place, anywhere, just on the outer edge of a carrier's range, where the data connection is intermittent, dipping under 20 Gbps, then the competitor could show that the carrier does not offer at least 20 Gbps.
Re:"Up To..." (Score:5, Interesting)
"Up To" is a weasel word/expression. It doesn't actually mean anything, or at least nothing useful to the consumer.
To a mathematician, knowing that something is "up to" a number is very valuable. Not only does it guarantee that a value is bounded, it also gives an explicit upper bound. In this case, when the rate of bits per second is bounded, we know that the amount of data as a function of time is Lipschitz continuous [wikipedia.org], which enables all kinds of cool theora to be applied. So while it may not seem much to a mere mortal consumer, mathematicians all over the world are overjoyed.
Theora is like MPEG-4 ASP (DivX) (Score:2)
enables all kinds of cool theora to be applied.
I'd prefer cooler vp8 or even cooler vp9 because they soundly beat theora [wikipedia.org] in rate/distortion.
(Did you mean "theorems"?)
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I'd prefer cooler vp8 or even cooler vp9 because they soundly beat theora [wikipedia.org] in rate/distortion.
(Did you mean "theorems"?)
I'm aware of the Theora codec. "Theora" is also a fancy Latin-like plural for "theorem", though probably not technically correct in English (cf. virus/viri).
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To the consumer, knowing that the monthly bill is bounded would be nice, but that, apparently, has no meaningful upper limit.
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Also, 20Gbps seems to be an aggregate of all connections in a given geographical area. It is just the amount of bandwidth the radio waves make available before all the demux and filtering has been done. No way in hell, anyone in the US is going to outfit a cell tower with a 1Gbps connection, let alone 10 or 20.
and I define (Score:2)
5G as accelerating at 19.0303 metres per second per second
Up to 20Gbps (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Up to 20Gbps (Score:5, Insightful)
Well minimum could be 0 if the conditions are bad. Usually the maximum include "ideal conditions" which may or may not be defined.
To set a minimum, you need to set a range, conditions and if the devices are in line of sight....plus probably other things I'm missing.
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But thats wrong.
Assuming you get signal on 5G, what would the MINIMUM bandwith you get be?
Thats important information, because otherwise we might as well build long 2G for phones.
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IMHO this is the wrong type of thinking. Setting minimums doesn't give anything to aspire to, it doesn't give anyone any incentive to push the technology to what it can do.
Instead providers focus on providing "good enough to meet the minimum".
And this doesn't just apply to the US.
What Protocols? (Score:2)
So what protocols at this point are even candidates?
4G x 5G = 20Gbps (Score:4, Funny)
Simple maths, really.
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Should't that be 20G^2 ?;)
They think they will have it working by 2020? (Score:2)
Bwahahahaaha no freaking way they get this figured out in 5 years. my entire town only has about 2gbps of backhaul to it
the fiber isp here offering 50/50mbps service only has a 500mbps link to the net
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Dear Sims 2,
Maybe you can get the player who's running your town to buy an expansion pack which allows more bandwidth.
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Thank you for that i always thought my nick would get lots of comments on it but thats only the second time anyone has ever mentioned it and ive been using it online since 2002.
I really miss playing that game.
And replying to the one above no I dont live in korea but you can't buy anything even close to those up to speed in any type of wireless gear right now that i'm aware of in any country
I hunted down the meeting agenda for the isp in town they are paying about $7,000/mo for a 500mbps (dual 250mbps feeds)
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$7k for 500mbit/s? That sounds a bit expensive, even in a rural-ish area. I can get over 1 gbps (with SLA) for a little less than that in a town with under 30k people in the midwest.
Your ISP is probably getting ripped off possibly by a term contract that doesn't account for automatic bandwidth upgrades for the same amount of money.
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I apologize--my information was out of date--after further research, I found that one of the contracts was changed back in April; a new 5-year term was negotiated with Dobson.
As of 2013 Sallisaw had a population of 8,623. I don't know of any other towns as small as ours running fiber, and all plans are unmetered.
Back in 2005 their equipment limited them to "500MB to any individual subscriber," but they don't offer anything over 50mbps today; so they are still quite a way off from the limits of 10-year-old e
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That sounds more like it... although Newroads themselves are probably getting reamed too, based on their upstream.
Who cares about faster speeds? (Score:2)
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Exactly and at least at the moment your flash can't write the data anywhere's near that fast (though it will be faster in 5 years to be sure). So you can't consume it, and you can' store it: what good is it? Also, I realize things are different in different countries but very few people where I live stream content on their phones. We have no unlimited data plans and the best you can do is about 5GB a month and ~$10 per GB afterwards. Streaming netflix say for an hour a day: that would cost you hundreds of d
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How do you save netflix movies/shows to your device?
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I don't. Because our bandwidth caps are so low on our phones netflix dossn't make a lot of sense (also a much smaller selection than in the US, talking maybe 10 new movies a month, most 6mths-years old). So you "acquire" things in different ways.
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Back when verizon wireless had most of their towers upgraded to lte i thought they might have more bandwidth to go around and lower prices nooo they kept exactly the same caps and prices for years.
Its just now started to come down a bit.
their lowest priced data plan afaik is the 30GB for $120 for their lte internet home plans
which compares poorly now that hughesnet is offering
50GB/mo for $90.
They are not keeping up well imho.
Excede sattilite internet bumped their speed up to 12mbps from 1.5mbps and kept the
LTE is not 4G (Score:2)
Hope the standard doesn't cave to pressure as when 4G was deployed.
Let's not do this again with 5G
Spec (Score:2)
It doesn't matter WHAT the spec is. Companies will just release whatever the hell they want, with whatever branding they want, and the spec will just be changed to match what the companies are selling. Just go and check the early history of 4G "spec", what the carriers listed as "4G" (because it had to be a number higher than 3G, regardless of what the spec said), and then the spec organization backpedaled to match what the carriers where using in their BS marking.
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Early 3G was ~200kbps, only double of what the 2G standard could do (128kbps). Back when 1G/2G was available, ~56/128kbps was maintained on the network. The current average for 3G/4G across carriers is 0.5Mbps and 1.5Mbps respectively. It's hard to find actual historical data because after the iPhone, the marketing drones started redefining bandwidth as the amount of GB (the amount of transit, not the amount of bandwidth) you were allowed per month.
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Good enough (Score:2)
Smell Test? (Score:2)
This doesn't pass the smell test. 20Gbps seems way too fast for wireless when wired (or fibered) 10Gpbs switch ports and NICs are so expensive. For example, this 10Gbps NIC is over $400: http://www.newegg.com/Product/... [newegg.com]
I must be missing something here...
Why the huge jumps? (Score:2)
What is with the latest trends to require such massive jumps in new standards? Didn't we have a similar problem with 4G and then companies not being able to meet the standard?
This is wireless. More speed in the same bandwidth is a really difficult problem to solve. More bandwidth is a really expensive problem to solve in existing frequencies. Different frequencies is a really difficult problem to solve.
Why not have 5G be twice 4G, or even 4x 4G? Why the huge jump?
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I suspect there is the huge jump because they need to stay on a standard for a few years to get back the cost of the infrastructure. If we got a 2x bump every 18mths or whatever they'd be constantly having to replace all their equipment so they could market themselves as capable of the new hotness that the next iDevice supports. Similarly you have most people on 2-3 year terms for their devices so even if you updated your network every year it would be 1.5yeas or so on average before your users saw the impr
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Keyword "of up to"... (Score:1)
That will mean that Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and U.S. Cellular will all tout to having 5G* without modifying their networks at all.
(Hey, it says "up to" not "minimum" 20Gbps.
Don't worry (Score:2)
5G! Wish my provider would get their act together (Score:2)
1 square kilometer (Score:2)
capacity to provide more than 100 megabits-per-second average data transmission to over one million Internet of Things devices within 1 square kilometer
gotta keep the distances short