Study: Light-Emitting Screens Before Bedtime Disrupt Sleep 179
jfruh writes: Tablets and e-readers are more convenient in many ways than paper books, but many people have complained that the physical experience of using them isn't as good. And now we have some specific quantification of this fact: a study has shown that people who read text on a tablet before bed don't sleep as well as those who read a traditional book (abstract).
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There's always the brightness control. I suspect most people set it too high.
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I set mine waaay low when I'm reading late at night. Then again the room lights are also pretty dim, too. It's always surprising how dim it is if I try using it the next day in a fully lit room.
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Good luck finding devices that get dim enough, though; manufacturers have focused on making screens brighter for daytime use at the expense of nighttime usability.
About the only devices I have that dim enough to tolerably use in a dark room are my Retina MBP and iPad, and even then I must use f.lux or light-on-dark color schemes to make it comfortable. I've tried screen filtering apps for Android, but they never seem to dim the soft keys and can cause unexpected battery drain.
Oh, and don't get me started on
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There's always the brightness control. I suspect most people set it too high.
No. That has much less to do with it than the frequency of the light. There is specific blue wavelength that triggers circadian rhythm. Essentially, if you are looking at a screen before bed, you are screwed. (and this seems to include me too)
220V incandescent in a 120V plug tends to produce the light you need to get to sleep. So if you want to read, get a 40W 240V bulb on ebay from China, and use it in your 120V light fixture. It will be a dim, orange 10W bulb, but more than enough to read by. And doesn't
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LED's aren't terribl
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A better idea is to get a red led bulb off ebay. Save electricty and sleep better.
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I changed my page color to sepia, and dim the brightness quite a bit. I like this better then the white on black inverted look.
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How do you think the pineal gland reacted due to inputs conveying this scheme [codinghorror.com]?
Double shot of espresso?
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I actually use yellow tinted goggles after 6PM this time of year. The sunlight is so short and weak this time of year my sleep schedule gets totally messed up. When that happens in the summer I just get up in the middle of the night and work until bedtime, but that doesn't work here in December because there's not enough light during the day to get synced up.
So I try to go outdoors every day for an hour around noon, particularly if its overcast. And I wear those stupid goggles after 6PM, which is a PITA
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and everybody knows melatonin puts you to sleep.
Melatonin is a neurotransmitter involved in triggering sleep, it's also involved in gallbladder function converting cholesterol into bile. What most people don't know though is that it can cause eye damage in high doses (above 0.8mg) if taken regularly. Health food stores sell the stuff in 3mg+ tablets of course.
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What most people don't know though is that it can cause eye damage in high doses (above 0.8mg) if taken regularly.
Citation?
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Can we get some mod points for parent? (Score:2)
This is the first I'd heard of this potential risk from melatonin supplementation. I'd like to see this information more widely discussed.
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Supplements are basically unregulated, so doing your own research is a must--stick the name of what is in the supplement into PubMed and check over MedlinePlus, as the first is meant to be used by researchers (jargon-heavy but the bleeding edge will be listed there) and the latter is meant to educate the general public. Make sure you go into the advanced search on PubMed and set it to only look at either keywords or the title and abstract, though; that'll keep the results close to what you want.
That said, a
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It is beyond me why people demand citations for stuff they can google themselves ...
Actually it is a form of "intellectual violence" forcing someone "who is likely right" to prove it to someone "who is completely ignorant".
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The amount of light entering the eye and stimulating the optic nerve is higher for the tablet. More light == more wakefulness. We're wired that way.
You'd be wrong. This is old news, it's something in the blue spectrum that causes the disruption. My parents already have a film on their glasses which filters out the light - they've been bugging me to get it for months.
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It would be nice if they would build that into the screen. It doesn't need to be a lowpass, a notch would work fine without mangling the perceived colors.
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It's the colour of the light, more than its brightness. Blue light inhibits melatonin production, increasing wakefulness. Red light's ok at night, blue light's not.
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It's also the spectrum. It doesn't matter if the light is marked with a "warm" temperature, if it's really a mix of cold and warms with more warms. Light doesn't blend - our brain tricks us into thinking it's warm, filling in the blanks.
To get broad continuous spectrum light, you need incandescent bulbs or halogen lights - even the best fluorescent and LED lamps don't exceed much more than a 80% color rendering index.
So a book or an e-ink device without LED sidelight is what you want. I use warm halogen
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I had this problem, then I got f.lux. (Score:5, Informative)
Just get f.lux. [justgetflux.com]
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This. It helps immensely helped with keeping my sleep cycle consistent. There's also Lux for Android (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vito.lux&hl=en) which was very helpful too
Re:I had this problem, then I got f.lux. (Score:5, Informative)
Or for Android, since the summary implies mobile devices, there's Twilight [google.com].
Or for Unix, since this is slashdot you fucking savage, Redshift [jonls.dk].
On Unix, sadly, only Adobe Flash player detects color corrections and plays your video in proper color. Neither Google nor Mozilla have figured this out for flash video, either. Also, Flash player is the only video player which properly suppresses the screensaver on Linux. What year is it?
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What year is it?
Not the year of Linux on the desktop, apparently.
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On Unix, sadly, only Adobe Flash player detects color corrections and plays your video in proper color. Neither Google nor Mozilla have figured this out for flash video, either.
Strictly speaking, wouldn't you want the video to be in the adjusted colour? Most of my late night PC usage is watching video, and I don't even notice the change anymore. (It helps that Redshift gradually changes the colour temp.) That said, I found it made a huge difference to my sleeping patterns.
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Strictly speaking, wouldn't you want the video to be in the adjusted colour?
No. I want it to be in corrected but not adjusted color. It gets hard to see some stuff in some video otherwise. It probably ought to be a config flag, though.
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If you're watching it full screen, you could just turn it off temporarily.
Re:I had this problem, then I got f.lux. (Score:5, Informative)
when things are dark, and you need more light, it dims things.
Exactly the opposite: when things are dark, your pupils dilate and you need less light. Do you turn your smartphone brightness down in bright sunlight?
But brightness isn't the point -- color temperature [wikipedia.org] is. I haven't read the documentation; the software is too simple and easy for that, but the homepage describes what it does. Flux lowers the color temperature at night, which interferes less with sleep. I also find it much more pleasant.
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I just tried it and I can't stand it - I'd far prefer it only adjusting brightness.
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It looks weird if you go between day/night settings abruptly. During the normal cycle, your eyes adjust as it fades/brightens, so you barely notice it. Try it for a few days. Since using it, I've reduced the night colour-temperature quite a bit (below 4000K) from where I originally set it (about 4800k), you underestimate just how much your eyes can adjust. (Use the slow-transition, the fast-transition is buggy anyway.)
Also, manually adjust the lat/long to suit your sleep pattern, rather than your actual loc
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I don't get this. You don't see an image on a monitor through reflected light, you see it from the light emitted by the monitor. I need more light when it's bright out, because it has to outshine the ambient light to be seen.
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Background colors? Nope. Black. There is zero need for a background.
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So an after-image of a huge white rectangle is better than an after-image of text?
Next on Bennett Haselton's Blog (Score:2, Informative)
"The math behind news reporting obvious,primordially old fact" Subtitle: "Algorithmic inspections into primordial facts: Case study: My own experience glimpsing into the cosmos thru words, heavenly turquoise light bathing my retinas in sweet abyss, long into the night, of wordy, frequent contributions".
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Hmmm, I get
Posted by Soulskill on Tuesday December 23, 2014 @04:17PM
What weird, obscure timezone are you using? :)
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I sat right next to the CRT as a kid, and I lived (Score:2)
By the time the light affects you, there will be a different display technology in use that doesn't pose the same alleged health risk
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...tablet before bed don't sleep as well... (Score:2)
Set text to amber on black in evening (Score:2)
The blue light decreases melatonin production. Set your device to display amber on black and dim the room's lights. If you're extra sensitive to it like me, get yourself a pair of blue-blocking glasses.
Old news... (Score:2)
This information was making the rounds 1-2 years ago. Seems some submitters are way behind in their reading.
Just get f.lux! (Score:5, Informative)
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just a word about this program - sometimes it gets flagged as spyware. I don't know if it's because f.lux has to know your location (in order to time the local sunset) - or if there's something else going on. There are some other programs. There is g.lux, and redshift, for starters.
Re:Just get f.lux! (Score:4, Informative)
I can't speak for the Windows and Linux versions, but I know from Little Snitch that the Mac version attempts to talk to port 443 on their webserver when it starts up, presumably for an update check. Additionally, it attempts to contact doubleclick.net and googleapis.com when you search for location. I just block all this traffic and haven't seen any adverse effects.
Thanks for the pointers to g.lux and redshift. I'll check those out and see if they offer anything better for me.
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What if you don't habitually use your computer/tablet outdoors?
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f.lux isn't designed for outdoor use (although there's no reason you couldn't use it there). The idea is that the light coming off your screen matches the colour temperature of the natural light you'd be receiving if you were outdoors (and whatever might be coming through your windows), so that your brain's neurochemistry (melatonin in particular) matches what it should be doing at that time of day, helping you maintain a natural circadian rhythm, which it seems to accomplish in spades.
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Heh, I almost thought of adding a disclaimer. No, I have nothing to do with the software. Just a happy user.
Sample size a wee bit small (Score:2)
12 people is really small for a study imo. I think there might be something to the idea, but the study seems lacking.
There's so many variables that a much larger pool would be helpful.
Are these 12 all regular bedtime readers? Which ones regularly read with an ipad/kindle vs. paper book? Are these 12 normally good sleepers or not? Why did they make them read for 4 hours (personally, that's much longer than anyone I know of reads before falling asleep)? I dunno too much left out of the study.
e-ink or GTFO (Score:2)
Reading books on an LCD device if fucking stupid anyway. Use e-ink, it is better for almost all books except certain technical ones (which mostly aren't that great as bedtime reading anyway).
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It is not "fucking stupid", some people just don't want to possess a dozen of vaguely similar devices.
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Not surprising. (Score:2)
Misleading summary/abstract (Score:3)
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Blue light (Score:2)
Brightness controls? (Score:2)
If I read something at full brightness on my laptop I won't fall asleep either. Conversely, if I reduce the brightness to minimum over a minute or two I'll fall asleep soon.
In Other News... (Score:5, Insightful)
Related studies have found that the main reason light-emitting screens keep people from sleeping is because they don't ever fucking shut them off and the next thing they know it's 5:36 in the bloody morning!
Yeah me too (Score:3)
I sometimes work into the night ("flow"). Other times I read a while in bed on my (big-screen) phone. I use f.lux on the computer, Bluelight Filter on android - other apps have been mentioned.
The science seems to be fairly well understood for a number of years, long enough to develop these apps. See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org] for pointers, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org] may also be of interest (other effects than light on sleep).
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You could just knock yourself unconscious with it.
Or watch porn until you exhaust yourself
Not all tablets (Score:2)
Front-lit e-ink? (Score:2)
I don't have this problem. (Score:2)
I enjoy the Kindle app on my iPad and read in bed every night before I go to sleep. Occasionally, I fall asleep while reading. Sometimes I read paper books too. I have noticed no difference in my sleep patterns, and I sleep quite satisfactorily.
A couple of things come to mind. First, even when I read with my tablet, I still have the lamp on, just like I would with a paper book. That may make a difference. Second, is it possible that the content is different when using a tablet for most people. That i
Let me rephrase that... (Score:2)
a study has shown that people who read text on a tablet before bed are douchebags
Four Hours of Reading? (Score:3)
In the study the people read for four hours before sleeping. I love reading as much as anybody, but is this a realistic scenario? I'd be more interested to see the sleep disruption from 30 minutes to an hour of reading on light-emitting screens before sleeping.
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Four hours of H.P. Lovecraft will keep anyone awake.
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Especially the Kindle Fire (Score:2)
Can anyone recommend an app that... (Score:2)
Can anyone recommend an Android app that can filter the screen by either dimming it past what it normally does with the built-in settings, or removes certain light frequencies?
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Twilight on Android.
Also, points to Soulskill for posting this after midnight.
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1. e-paper has a positively abysmal screen update time
I use my tablet a lot for reading highly technical articles, and I often end up flipping back and forth between different pages of the text while I am reading, usually between a page with a figure or code listing and an explanation that follows or precedes it. I'd rather not add an easily perceptible delay between the time that I slide my finger one way or the other to advance or go back a page and the time it takes to actually show it.
2. e-paper's full color support is poor.
Many of the articles that I read come with slides which I also view on the tablet, and color is very useful at conveying information. Some progress has been made on this front, but for most practical purposes, epaper is generally monochrome.
But certainly, if they ever get around to making a non-emissive display technology with a fast enough screen update time that you can't notice any delay between your actions and when the screen update is complete, and they provide respectable full color support, I'll be all over it. The only reason I use a tablet instead of hard copy at all is portability.
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However when reading at night its generally a more traditional book (history, sci fi, etc) on a Kindle PaperWhite, in my opinion, its equivalent to a paper book but more convenient. I feel it is a better experience even when compared to the lightest color tablets. Certainly it will vary from one technical field to another but I've had surprisingly good results when reading programming and software development books on the PaperWhite, not as good as a higher resolution color tablet but better than I expected and acceptable with respect to the illustrations and diagrams and such. Then again I haven't tried something like the latest edition of Foley and van Dam (a computer graphics text).
I see the refresh you speak of but its less than turning a paper page of a real book. As for the time you believe you are saving, maybe the faster refresh of a color tablet is not a win once you consider the sleep disruption and also the lowered productivity that results?
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I do the same, but I've an older Kindle DX. I prefer to lay on my back and hold the book up. Naturally, using a Kindle means a lot less wear on the arms during an extended episode of reading...
Really though, I find reading before bed to be far more disruptive than blue light, because I often can't put the book down until I have 4 hours to sleep left...
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In that case i'm not sure that this study really applies to you. The studied case is reading books within one hour to bedtime, for which refresh time or color do not matter at all.
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ePaper will be fine once we get extremely cheap networked readers. I remember scenes from Star Trek where they had a dozen padds on the table, and that's what you need with eReaders. A dozen of them, all displaying different parts of the same document. Networked to make it all seamless and easy.
ePaper devices are already pretty cheap... I think I paid £20 for one a while back. It's just the networking and software aspect we need to get right, and make them a bit bigger. Would be fantastic for te
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A dozen of them, all displaying different parts of the same document.
Why? What does that give you?
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Overview! It is just the same as having the same source code file open in multiple views in your IDE ... oh, you never do that? Ah, you are not a coder? Fine!
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I've tried more technical stuff on my eInk reader, and it doesn't work. It's great for reading something from start to finish, as long as I don't care about illustrations, and I read a whole lot of things that way, including anything I'd want to read around bedtime. It's lousy with PDF files, since it isn't big enough for most of them, and Calibre is iffy on converting PDF to ePub.
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This study doesn't really address that since it is based upon a very narrow selection of devices (i.e. the iPad). Indeed, none of the studies that I have encountered have addressed that because they are based upon a narrow range of technologies. I have seen anecdotes suggesting that eink based devices are less disruptive to sleep cycles, but my opinion on that is: if it works for you, great, but don't attribute it to anything more than wishful thinking and selection bias.
A study like this doesn't apply to
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It's not wattage , it's the lumens that matter. I have worked with an IR-laser of a measly 3W that will burn through your tissue because of the way it is focused.
Ambient light is typically diffused. If you replaced that tablet with the actual light bulb that you kept staring at, I assure you, you will not fall asleep.
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f.lux is available for iDevices [justgetflux.com], but not Android.
For Android devices there's nearly identical products like Twilight [google.com]. Plus a thousand apps that dim or invert the display without affecting the colour temp.