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Nokia's N1 Android Tablet Is Actually a Foxconn Tablet 109

sfcrazy writes: "Nokia surprised everyone when it announced the N1 Android tablet during the Slush conference in Finland, today. This story has a twist, though: the N1 is not a Nokia device. Nokia doesn't have a device unit anymore: it sold its Devices and Services business to Microsoft in 2013. The N1 is made by Taiwanese contract manufacturing company Foxconn, which also manufactures the iPhone and the iPad.

But Nokia's relationship with Foxconn is different from Apple's. You buy iDevices from Apple, not Foxconn; you call Apple for support, not Foxconn. You never deal with Foxconn. In the case of N1, Foxconn will be handling the sales, distribution, and customer care for the device. Nokia is licensing the brand, the industrial design, the Z Launcher software layer, and the IP on a running royalty basis to Foxconn.
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Nokia's N1 Android Tablet Is Actually a Foxconn Tablet

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  • by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepples@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @12:33AM (#48415347) Homepage Journal
    It's a quad-core Atom, not ARM, meaning apps using the NDK will have to either be recompiled to x86 or run in emulation. But if the bootloader is unlocked, watch someone figure out how to dual boot Android/x86 with Windows 8.1.
    • I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10", it has an Atom CPU (unlike all other Samsung tablets), and it feels better than other ARM devices I tried, both in speed and battery duration. It seems like Intel is getting it right in the mobile too, and their silicon technology in unrivaled today (22 nm, or even less soon).

      About software compatibility, they have a proprietary software, called houdini IIRC, that recompiles (I think) ARM native code to intel on the fly. I never noticed any differences with apps and games

    • by Thanshin ( 1188877 ) on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @04:47AM (#48416075)

      It's a quad-core Atom,

      Like Helium-4?

    • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

      why would you not build fat binaries of your ndk apps?

      the code is most likely going to be 2-4% of the size of the application(provided that it has any images, textures, models or such), so building it in so called fat mode to include both the x86 and arm builds is a pretty easy choice. and yes it's totally very easy and I reckon the amount of apps that include arm assembly can be counted with one hand.

      *yes I'm aware that a bunch of devs haven't done it that way, but I have not heard any complaints about stu

      • why would you not build fat binaries of your ndk apps?

        Because your code pulled in with the NDK contains asm

      • by tepples ( 727027 )

        why would you not build fat binaries of your ndk apps?

        Because either A. you don't already own an x86 tablet on which to test the app thoroughly, or B. you want to price-discriminate against owners of x86 devices.

  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @12:40AM (#48415375) Homepage

    This is the problem with outsourcing manufacturing and keeping the "brand". Eventually, if they're good, the outsourcing company takes over. It's about time for this to happen to Apple. The hardware is approaching maturity. The last rev of the iPhone was only a minor change over the previous one, and the technology was comparable to HTC's product of two years ago.

    • by Spy Handler ( 822350 ) on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @01:06AM (#48415485) Homepage Journal

      It can't happen to Apple because there's nothing special about the hardware of ipads. The secret sauce is iOS and the itunes ecosystem.

      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        And you know.. the hardware. Seeing as their CPUs continually run circles around everyone and are even giving Intel a run for their money. The nvidia K1 in the Nexus9 (dual core 64bit version) looks promising but they had to clock it at 2.3Ghz and still lost to Apple at 1.5ghz.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          And you know.. the hardware. Seeing as their CPUs continually run circles around everyone and are even giving Intel a run for their money. The nvidia K1 in the Nexus9 (dual core 64bit version) looks promising but they had to clock it at 2.3Ghz and still lost to Apple at 1.5ghz.

          Not really. Apple hardware isn't all that impressive - single core specs show the A8 isn't as fast as say a 2.5GHz Snapdragon (32-bit mode).

          However, the secret sauce of iOS IS what is important as it's more efficient, letting a relati

          • Of course, a big part of it is Apple is able to tweak the software to their needs and spend time doing so. Samsung doesn't have that luxury when they release more than 1 new smartphone a week (56 so far in 2014 alone!) and 1 new tablet every two weeks [arstechnica.com]. Or LG, which released 41 since the start of the year. Versus Apple's 6 or so (4 of which were just minor tweaks of the base model)..

            Excuse me, but is anyone holding a gun to either Samsung or LG's proverbial heads, forcing them to throw design after design at the wall to see what sticks? It's like every single prototype that some engineer slaps together, the marketing guys steal right off the bench and put into full production. What maroons!

            In fact, in the face of their 60% drop in profits, Samsung just announced [dailymail.co.uk] they are reigning-in their insane new-model-creation rate, and focusing on "quality" over "quantity".

            All I have to say to

    • Apple is not really a technology brand these days, more a fashion brand.
      (On a side note, did you see all the hiring of people related to the fashion industry??)

      Compare the situation to this:
      Many manufacturers in the world can produce handbags. Many manufacturer copy handbag designs.
      But still brands like Gucci and Louis Vutton can demand a premium price.

      Apple is in the same league: as long as the brand remains premium, it does not matter what the output is or for that matter what their quality is.

      • Apple is not really a technology brand these days

        lolwut?

        Apple is in the same league: as long as the brand remains premium, it does not matter what the output is or for that matter what their quality is.

        Too bad for your theory that Apple remains the top performer [dailymail.co.uk] and the tops in quality [pocket-lint.com] and customer satisfaction [imore.com].

        • Maybe I phrased it wrong. What I mean is: Apple is not really relying on best specs, best technology anymore.
          Just like Gucci doesn't have to come with totally new bag all the time. And that makes sense as they won't be able to be the best all the time.

          Just as long as they are perceived to be the best by their loyal fanbase, they will do well. That's also why a smart watch (very much a fashion item) is so important to the lineup. Or white headbuds. It's all to build brand. It doesn't have to be the best, jus

          • Maybe I phrased it wrong. What I mean is: Apple is not really relying on best specs, best technology anymore. Just like Gucci doesn't have to come with totally new bag all the time. And that makes sense as they won't be able to be the best all the time.

            Just as long as they are perceived to be the best by their loyal fanbase, they will do well. That's also why a smart watch (very much a fashion item) is so important to the lineup. Or white headbuds. It's all to build brand. It doesn't have to be the best, just perceived to be.

            First off, thank you for your considered response; that's getting pretty rare around here... ;-)

            Actually, Apple is almost never the "first" to employ a new technology or adopt a new standard. They actually shy away a bit from the "bleeding edge" (while still maintaining a cachet of "innovative" and "ahead of the curve").

            What they are masters at is waiting until a technology/standard/product niche is getting popular (e.g., WiFi, Music Players, Small-form-factor Desktops, Netbooks, Smartphones) and then "

  • I really don't want a power hungry Intel CPU on a tablet, no matter how many benchmarks are faked to make it seem as fast and as low power as an equivalent Arm.
    Most android apps will run without issues, that shouldn't be a problem anymore as there have been some Intel tablets out there for several months (I've seen some Asus in bargain bins at the Cora supermarket chain).
    Still, the only advantage is if someone manages to run Linux on it. Might make up for the extra heat and lower battery life, to be able to

    • Still, the only advantage is if someone manages to run Linux on it. Might make up for the extra heat and lower battery life, to be able to run full featured Linux on it.

      Um, you know Android is Linux, right? There's not much special about the Linux kernel in Android, just a few tweaks to the stock kernel to make it suitable to the environement on which it runs.

      Almost all the Android special sauce is the user space, so the main difference between an Android system and a regular Linux distribution is what happens when PID 1 is executed. Change init, and you change the system entirely.

      Run a debian [debian.org] chroot under Android if you want a regular looking Linux. Install a terminal app

      • Not to mention this is the x86 version of Android so most precompiled Linux binaries for Intel systems won't even need a recompile. I can imagine there might be a scenario where you might need a regular Linux distro running on x86 for something you can't do on ARM (not sure what, but perhaps there's something) but I can't see what the issue is when the Linux distro you are running is Android x86.
      • I know android is running on the Linux kernel, but, most times there are no drivers for the GPU that can be used on Gnu/Linux, at least without severe functionality loss. I should have been clearer.
  • We should buy it from Nokia instead of Foxconn, spending more money for the brand and little additions... why exactly?

    Many phone and tablet sellers don't even design them anymore.

  • by WarlockD ( 623872 ) on Wednesday November 19, 2014 @03:15AM (#48415795)
    You have this tablet, by pure specs doesn't look that much better than the newer atom tables coming out and the glorified auto app sorter for your android (Z Launcher)? When I worked for US Nokia as a lowly support, developers and managers were just screaming at Finland about trying something to innovate. If you didn't speak Finish, your opinion didn't matter.

    To make matters worst, they thought they "won" when they released the N97 and just planned to make reversions off that thing. Sure it was good, but they just never paid attention to Google. Got laid off about 6 months after that.

    So now that the non-compete clause is almost over they are trying again? I still think Stephen Elop was a Trojan horse. It doesn't help maters how he and his cronies got a sweet deal after the merger.

    I know Nokia isn't "just a phone company". They have multiple divisions and a large part of Finland economy. But to just come out with an Android tablet, branded launcher all relying on Foxcom's support and build quality? I am not saying I know much about Foxcom, but it still feels kind of a big gamble right after you get burned badly from a market you dominated. What the hell are they thinking?
  • "Jolla launched Sailfish 2.0 Tabled that is crowd funded . The indiegogo crowd funding collected the targetted $380,000 in just in 138 minutes of the launch. The Jolla Tablet features a 7.9-inch screen with a resolution of 2048 x 1563. The device is powered by a 1.8GHz 64-bit quad-core Intel processor, comes with a 32GB of storage, has 2GB of RAM and a 5MP rear camera. Judging by its size, we can see that this is another take on the iPad Mini and even on the ‘sister’ company Nokia. While there
  • For a little extra money you can by a commemorative edition tablet. Shaped like a toombstone each one has the engraved signature of a different Foxconn factory line worker. This is not just a tablet, it's an investment. Like a piece of art it is valuable only after the artist has died these tablets are sure to be worth more after the employee has jumped out the window.

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