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Greenpeace: Amazon Fire Burns More Coal and Gas Than It Should 288

Jason Koebler (3528235) writes "The biggest thing that sets the Amazon Fire Phone apart from its Android and Apple competitors probably isn't the clean interface or the unlimited photo storage—it's the dirty power behind it. When Fire users upload their photos and data to Amazon's cloud, they'll be creating a lot more pollution than iPhone owners, Greenpeace says. Apple has made a commitment to running its iCloud on 100 percent clean energy. Amazon, meanwhile, operates the dirtiest servers of any major tech giant that operates its own servers—only 15 percent of its energy comes from clean sources, which is about the default national average." Greenpeace's jaundiced eye is on Amazon more generally; the company's new phone is just an example. Maybe Amazon or some other provider could take a page from some local utilities and let users signal their own preferences with a (surcharged) "clean energy" option.
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Greenpeace: Amazon Fire Burns More Coal and Gas Than It Should

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  • by jones_supa ( 887896 ) on Saturday July 26, 2014 @12:51PM (#47538841)
    Greenpeace is like vegetarianism: in principle a great idea but ruined by too many fanatics.
  • by GenaTrius ( 3644889 ) on Saturday July 26, 2014 @01:27PM (#47539003)
    Did you know 3 Mile Island is still manned, operating, and producing power? Evacuation was not mandatory, there is no exclusion zone, and the surrounding area is still populated. The reactor that melted down isn't in operation, of course, but the safety checks worked and no one died. I am consistently amazed at hoe many people do not know this.
  • by Mike Greaves ( 1236 ) on Saturday July 26, 2014 @01:46PM (#47539121) Homepage

    Last time they ranked Amazon poorly for datacenter power, I checked some numbers and compared with other agencies rankings.

    Amazon got about 27% of it's power from nuclear.
    No CO2, but Greenpeace didn't credit anything for it.

    Dell's datacenters had higher CO2 emissions, only ~7% nuclear, but a little more renewables.
    The anti-nuclear geniuses at Greenpeace gave Dell a cleaner ranking than Amazon.

    They only credit CO2 abatement, if they agree with the method.
    Not only that, they don't even MENTION all CO2 abatements.

    In fact, I found that Amazon's emissions were far better than average.
    I think they had the 2nd lowest fossil generating share of about 10 US datacenter operators compared.

    In addition, Amazon was investing heavily in PSU, rack density, and cooling improvements, and virtualization is a known resource saver across all components. Ever heard of virtualization at Amazon?

    I doubt that anyone at Greenpeace understands any of this.
    Any electrical engineers there? HVAC engineers? POWERPLANT engineers?

    Greenpeace are dishonest, technically ignorant, and thoroughly foolhardy;
    and will destroy your World if you let them.

    TFA shouldn't have even been posted here.

  • Re: Clever editors. (Score:4, Informative)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday July 26, 2014 @02:42PM (#47539421)

    So you have no idea if it's true, and you haven't bothered to check - or you just made it up and figured you'd throw it out there anonymously because hey, this is Slashdot and there are always at least a few guys of most any political bent willing to run with absurd stories.

    Don't be lazy - if you have evidence, at least post a link so people can discuss it.

  • Re: Clever editors. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 26, 2014 @02:59PM (#47539513)

    Here you go. Greenpeace exec commuting on commercial air every week between Amsterdam and Luxembourg. Until he was shamed, then made it every other week.

    Staff revolts

    See, like most liberal assholes, it is do as i say not as I do. Anyone who give Greenpeace another nickel is a fool.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 26, 2014 @03:32PM (#47539647)

    When it comes to climate change and the environment what's good for the individual is irrelevant. You will either need to be broken to change your ways or exterminated.

    The choice is yours.

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