High-Gain Patch Antennas Boost Wi-Fi Capacity In Crowded Lecture Halls 104
An anonymous reader writes "To boost its Wi-Fi capacity in packed lecture halls, Georgia Institute of Technology gave up trying to cram in more access points with conventional omni-directional antennas, and juggle power settings and channel plans. Instead, it turned to new high-gain directional antennas. They look almost exactly like the bottom half of a small pizza box, and focus the Wi-Fi signal from the ceiling-mounted access point in a precise cone-shaped pattern, covering part of the lecture hall floor. Instead of the flaky, laggy connections, about which professors had been complaining, users now consistently get up to 144Mbps (if they have 802.11n client radios). 'Overall, the system performed much better' with the new antennas, says William Lawrence, IT project manager principal with the university's academic and research technologies group. 'And there was a much more even distribution of clients across the room's access points.'"
If WiFi is necessary for the lectures, (Score:3)
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To be able to converse with the professor?
$591.25 a pop, for the antenna alone ! (Score:4, Interesting)
I read TFA, and did a search on that "bottom of pizza box" antenna.
Found it @ http://www.terra-wave.com/shop/font-colororangenewfont-245-ghz-14-dbi-high-density-panel-antenna-with-nstyle-jack-connectors-p-2993.html [terra-wave.com]
The only problem is the price.
The cost of the antenna alone is $591.25 a pop.
Perhaps Georgia Institute of Technology has a big endowment, that they can afford to install such devices all over their campuses.
For most private enterprises, on the other hand, it's simply not affordable.
Re:$591.25 a pop, for the antenna alone ! (Score:5, Interesting)
(Involved in various facets of WiFi Projects for approx. 50 commercial sites).
Any commercial grade AP is going to cost you around the $500 mark. At the least.
Your point?
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Ubiquiti: https://store.ubnt.com/unifi.html [ubnt.com] (all under $500)
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Sure. But the OP mentioned the ANTENNA, not the AP.
I would have a serious problem paying $600/antenna in addition to the 500-700 per AP.
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$500 not affordable? For a bunch of people who just dropped more than that on iphones?
Uh... yeah.. ok sure.. whatever.
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Are the people using the phones paying for the Wifi antennas?
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That may very well be why it's not affordable.
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Don't be silly. Enterprise kit is priced also because if done well the need for an expensive human to tend it goes down a lot -- despite often being complex and versatile pieces of kit. Of course, the margins are still quite huge and in that sense certainly overpriced.
But still worth it in the enterprise environment. There is a reason the likes of cisco can get away with 90%+ margins on hardware AND gouge you for support contracts. Compare and contrast how OpenWRT takes $60 consumer crap and gives it $600+-
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its a standard Inset-Fed Microstrip Patch Antenna
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antenna-Panel-2-4Ghz-14-dbi-High-Gain-WiFi-Wlan-Extender-Directional-Long-Range-/190819940020 [ebay.com]
US $15.38 better?
want to make one yourself?
http://www.carookee.net/forum/broadcasting/13/inside_2_4Ghz_Panel_Antenna.17565369.0.01105.html [carookee.net]
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$15.38 better?
want to make one yourself?
http://www.carookee.net/forum/broadcasting/13/inside_2_4Ghz_Panel_Antenna.17565369.0.01105.html [carookee.net]
Yeah, I thought this was about Georgia Tech? Do they still just do stuff with peanuts?
Re:$591.25 a pop, for the antenna alone ! (Score:5, Informative)
$43 shipped: http://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-33-993-021 [neweggbusiness.com]
$66 shipped: http://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-33-978-030 [neweggbusiness.com]
$80 shipped: http://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-33-993-022 [neweggbusiness.com]
I imagine if you are buying for a large institution you have a vendor that offers volume discounts as well, so they should in theory be paying even less than this.
Re:$591.25 a pop, for the antenna alone ! (Score:4, Interesting)
So just because the first place you found the antenna, is selling it for $600, you assume that's actually the going rate they paid for it?
I wonder how many people bought this $23 million book about flies:
http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=358 [michaeleisen.org]
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Most private enterprises have no need of this technology, because they don't have so many wireless clients packed into one location. Even the most happenin' Starbucks is an order of magnitude less dense than a lecture hall. This kind of technology would have application in crowded places that also
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Convention centers seem a better fit.
People do wander about convention centers, but not run from one end to the other.
The centers I've been to have excellent wifi. They probably already hired a good network engineer.
Re: $591.25 a pop, for the antenna alone ! (Score:4, Informative)
What do you imagine each unneccessary AP they deployed cost? If such an antenna costs as much as one displaced AP and provides a better signal, it's money well spent.
$139.95 (Score:2)
With quantity discounts. I actually own one of these.
http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-51-58-ghz-20dbi-flat-panel-antenna-n-female-connector [l-com.com]
Shop much?
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why are big lectures classes necessary (Score:1)
When an on line video with DRV controls and notes are much better.
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Hey Grandpa, is that you?
Re:If WiFi is necessary for the lectures, (Score:5, Insightful)
Sometimes it's useful to look something up online, test a formula, or download notes so you can understand the material better and ask informed questions.
Regardless, it's less distracting if everyone's wifi just works (TM) than for students to be spending more time messing with their wifi configuration than listening to the lecture.
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Do that later. Maybe the prof can look something up. Maybe one or two students. But to require wifi connectivity continually for every single student in the lecture is misguided. That's anarchy. If students don't want to be there or think that it's a waste of time then they can just fork over their thousands of dollars and stay home.
Now start working on something to block wifi in lecture halls instead.
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facebook
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To absorb the RF energy -- b/g/n Wifi is very close to the frequency used in microwave ovens and so it's optimised to heat up meaty tissue (and vegetables too; this is Georgia Tech we're talking about, isn't it?)
they couldn't find old Pringles cans? (Score:2)
or old satellite TV antennas?
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News? (Score:5, Insightful)
More like Slashvertisment (Score:3, Interesting)
This is a parroting of a marketing-derived press release. Move along. I think I'm going to move along. Thanks for the memories, Slashdot.
Re:News? (Score:5, Funny)
It is hardly newsworthy that a group of IT network techs 'fixed' their coverage and performance problems using directional antenna technology.
Radio techs have been doing exactly that since they learnt about propagation.
so... does this mean you aren't interested in the story about how they replaced the batteries in the remote?
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>> so... does this mean you aren't interested in the story about how they replaced the batteries in the remote?
Maybe the batteries are dead? DNRTFA.
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That and this is like 70-80 year old tech (Score:1)
Re:News? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Of course as others have said this is more marketing 'case study' by the antenna vendor than story. Notice TFA mentions that they did test antennas from other vendors, but give no indication of the relative performance. My bet is that most
Radiated power? (Score:5, Informative)
In Europe we limit the maximum radiated power (EIRP). This means you'd have to drop TX power and the directional antenna helps on RX only. Still might be worthwhile.
Although there is ample proof that WiFi don't have health issues, I still want to limit the EIRP. But to what level, I do not know. I think directional antennas currently have too strict a limit - you are not supposed to be standing next to a directional antenna anyway. OTOH people hardly understand what a 20dB antenna does (in TX).
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Even with lower power a directional antenna will lower the interference from other cells so it is definitely worth it.
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Good point, I didn't think of interference at all, never have had to deal with it myself.
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And what do you have, photon police that go around the EU hunting for people pumping more dB than is allowed?
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That doesn't change the underlying legal and regulatory barrier, though.
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With the antennas mentioned in the article, I agree.
But for an example with +30dB antenna you could burn yourself. 1W +30dB is on the same ballpark as UNSHIELDED 1kW microwave oven.
Sure, 30dB antenna is difficult to make, but 1W with 20dB should stay illegal.
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It is a PASSIVE microstrip patch antenna. The gain adds to the TX as well as the RX.
The law doesn't care what sort of antenna it is -- the law specifies a maximum EIRP, and if you're already at that EIRP with a 6dB omni, your legal options are either (1) don't use a 12dB patch or (2) reduce your transmit power by 6dB to have the same EIRP.
In the US, at least, the FCC recognizes the benefit of highly directional antennas in that they reduce interference with other networks in the same channel, in every direction except where they're pointed, and therefore has established a "reward" for usi
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The directional antenna on AP A only helps AP A on receive, not transmit.
However, there's substantial benefits in both receive and transmit when you change all the antennas from omnis to patches: The directional antennas on APs B, C, D and E prevent their transmissions from interfering with AP A's transmissions to AP A's clients, and likewise the directional antenna on A helps B, C, D, and E.
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Actually the directional antenna helps with both RX and TX directionality and power equally; and there's almost certainly an attenuator that offsets the aerial's gain.
It doesn't help with the power coming from the laptop/tablet, but that's pretty small; some laptops will have gain control on their transmitters as well.
EIRP regulated in US (Score:2)
This is similar in the US, but it varies slightly based on frequencies, locations, and environment.
FCC Certification (Score:1)
Plugging in that antenna invalidated the FCC certification of the AP
Georgia Tech are breaking the law!
Using the right equipment makes life easier (Score:1)
News at 11
"New" high gain antennae? (Score:2)
I think its funny how the summary says this like its some new fantastic technology. Directional gain antennae have been around almost since radio itself. There's nothing new about this, and if I had to guess, the ham radio club at Georgia Tech has been telling them to use directional antennae for a while now. Somebody with the authority to enact it managed to convince themselves that they though of it, did it, and now we're supposed to be impressed.
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Re:"New" high gain antennae? (Score:5, Insightful)
Deploying the same number of omnidirectional antennas in the same space would lead to massive overlap, interference, and clients unnecessarily switching between APs when they perceived a stronger signal from a different AP.
I haven't heard of a high density environment purposely set up this way therefor I think it is indeed newsworthy.
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You're just saying that with your IT hat on. The reality is whenever you start doing some tricky stuff just hand over to the RF guys and they can do precisely this kind of coverage work with their eyes closed. It's quite basic to build a system like this, IFF you know what you're doing.
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It's neither new nor novel, it's just that most low end IT installers havent thought about it before.
It's exactly the same way they deploy mobile cell towers - multiple directional antennas each covering a fixed arc.
Are you serious? (Score:5, Insightful)
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IT guys fix their spotty wireless coverage by installing the proper antennas.
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Wow, thank God for that. Good thing that we have slashdot to tell us that a university installed some standard equipment on their campus. Be sure to run an article when MIT replaces a couple of their switches next month.
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Yes, obscure technical information has no place on a site that claims to provide "news for nerds".
This is not news (Score:2)
I was told by a ham radio operator back in the day that a radio setup is only ever as good as its antenna system (and that includes the coax and feedline) to me this simply sounds like they finally listened to the old man in the crew.
Been done for years (Score:2)
Xirrus have been doing this for years - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xirrus [wikipedia.org] or http://www.xirrus.com/ [xirrus.com]
They put 8 (or more) access points into a single unit, each with a directional antenna covering a segment of the room or venue. I looked at their product at a trade show or conference once (don't remember which) but it was way overkill for the spaces we had at the time which were separated with heavy reinforced concrete walls and floors, so needed an access point for each area.
More purpose-designed wifi standards? (Score:3)
It's always remarkable what people do with 802.11, but a lot of it strikes me as a mediocre standard being (over)extended with gimmicks.
Out of the box it works well enough for simple use, but more complex use cases (distance, density, broader coverage) seem to involve a lot of complexity to make up for the overall weakness of the standard (limited channel selection, radio power, etc).
Are there any changes on the horizon to generate new standards that would fix this? Such as designs tailored to high-density environments (hundreds or thousands of clients off a single radio), greater channel selections, better distance capabilities, etc?
I realize that not all of these may be something that works in a single product and that there are RF constraints that limit this, but at the end of the day the current 802.11 environment reminds me of DOS. Sure, with the right shims and magic you can run games (Quake, for the era) or a GUI OS on top of them, but there's something inherently hokey about it.
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It's always remarkable what people do with 802.11, but a lot of it strikes me as a mediocre standard being (over)extended with gimmicks.
Out of the box it works well enough for simple use, but more complex use cases (distance, density, broader coverage) seem to involve a lot of complexity
Distance -- ye cannae change the laws of physics. You need one or more of: more power, more RF bandwidth, a higher gain antenna, or a coding system with less bits/s/Hz. Since you claimed power and bandwidth as problems below, I'll address them in a minute. You've already written off directional antennas as "gimmicks", and 802.11b already includes coding as low as 1Mb/s -- I don't think it's really worth putting even lower bitrates in the standard just so people can make >1 km links without having to spe
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Hey, I'm not an RF guy and fortunately the equipment these days (controllers + radios) take away a lot of the low-level complexity in a way that mostly works. But even then the 2.4ghz band blows in high-density office spaces like office towers. There's just too much competition and you can't do much about the 20 other visible radios, all blasting out at maximum power to try to overcome each other.
That being said, it does still feel like a system designed for casual use (ie, a single AP allowing clients w
Amazing discovery! (Score:2)
High gain directional antennas work better than low gain onni-directional antennas... Who knew?
Wasting 75% of your transmitted power by sending your signal out in a 360 degree radiation pattern instead of focusing all your power on a 90 degree 'wedge' is just stupid - I have to wonder who designed their wifi deployment, commission-based access point salesmen or results-oriented networking specialists?
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Duh.... (Score:2)
This is exactly how high capacity AP's work. it has basically 4 (or more, I have seen some with 8) ap's that are connected to high gain antennas that segment off what they see. An advantage of high gain antennas is that they squish their signal and receive "window" into tighter lobes.
Honestly, if these people would take classes in RF design they would know this as the technology they are using has been around for decades, and the idea has been in use by companies covering large venues for at least a deca
How much can a Yagi bear? (Score:2)
Laugh (Score:1)
What's the change in radiation exposure?
dedicated controller (Score:2)
... a dedicated controller to handle the new “high density group” of access points; and the controller automatically handled configuration tasks like setting access point power levels and selecting channels.
Centralized management of the access points seems to be the solution, which doesn't require directional antennas to work.
Wow (Score:2)
I've been out of college for just barely over a decade but this is making me feel very old.
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Remember when we sent a man to the moon, and none of those scientists involved had access to wifi in their college lecture halls. People created the atom bomb without wifi, the first open heart surgery had no wifi enabled devices assisting, and we wrested fire from the gods on Mount Olympus without even a carrier pigeon. So why is it today that college students are unable to attend a lecture without needing connectivity? Sure, someone says they want internet access so that they can look up the material
SDMA (Score:1)
Oh look! You've discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-division_multiple_access [wikipedia.org]
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The client-clients interference doesnt matter so much. Close clients are on the same AP/Channel and are thus participating in collision avoidance. Mid distance clients are on a different channel and thus dont interfere. Long distant clients who are on a re-used channel are so far away the signal is small (essentially noise), and the signal of the access point dominates such that SNR is still good.
From the AP end the directional parttern the antenna works in both directions. They transmit to only a limit
Someone should tell the cellphone companies (Score:1)
...then they could use directional antennas on cell base-stations and divide up each cell into slices!!
Hey they could call them "sector antennas" and... oh never mind.
so Doing somthing properly (Score:2)