Hands On With the Nokia Lumia 1020 227
adeelarshad82 writes "Nokia's new phone, Lumia 1020, feels very similar in the hand to Nokia's Lumia 900 and 920, with one exception: it has a camera bump. The 41-megapixel uber-camera projects out very slightly as a black disc on the back. In terms of functionality, though, the camera provides for smooth zooming only a pinch away. However, it takes a noticeable amount of time to lock focus and save images. At one point during hands-on testing, the camera app crashed so hard that it required a phone reboot, which is hopefully just a pre-release firmware issue. The phone itself carries a brightly colored polycarbonate body that rolls around the edges to cradle a 4.5-inch, 1,280-by-768 screen. Lumia 1020 is powered by a dual-core, 1.5-GHz Qualcomm MSM8960 processor which plows through apps well. Speaking of apps, there's a ton of bloatware on here, as you'd expect from any AT&T device. AT&T adds four apps right at the top of the app list. Nokia Lumia is set to hit AT&T shelves on July 26th for $299."
bloatware (Score:2, Interesting)
The nice thing about "bloatware" on Windows Phone is that it can be uninstalled completely, cleanly and very easily.
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Microsoft practically invented it.
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How much of that is WP, and how much is the hardware itself? I ask as people often confuse the two.
Not intended as a troll-y comment, but its things like that that make me glad I keep sticking with iOS, even as a developer. The last thing I want to do with my phone is worry about crap like that, when I could just be using it. Everyone has different needs, of course, but still...
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What about the wifi is user hostile? So far for me I have not encountered problems with a 521 with the wifi. Even the wifi calling works fine. I have multiple wifi connections setup and when I walk in range it auto connects and the phone switches over to wifi mode automatically. What else is there for wifi to do?
I have downloaded podcasts, streaming music etc just fine along with a few apps and streamed videos without problems over wifi.
Meh (Score:5, Insightful)
With a camera phone, I'd say that the time it takes "to lock focus and save images" is arguably far more important than the number of megapixels.
Even with DSLRS, we've long ago reached the point where the average person needs more MP than are available, and none of *them* are at the 41 MP count. They also have far better optics than what is almost certainly in this (Zeiss nametag or not), and it is well understood in that domain that the importance of glass far outweighs the importance of whatever body you happen to be using.
If the point was just to get better low-light performance by packing on more pixels and then binning them, I wonder why they didn't just design sensors with bigger photosites - at least then, reasonable save times and storage consumption would be a possibility. I know that camera novices get sucked into the MP marketing hype, but does anyone buy a phone for the MP in the camera ?
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I've seen some of the raw pictures that these high mega-pixel cameraphones take.. blurry shit at the pixel level, making them no better than a much lower resolution camera with better glass.
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Even if the image is blurred all the information is there, it just needs to be extracted to produce an un-blurred image. Photoshop has filters that can do that now. Sounds like the problem might be solvable.
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If image is blurred, there is not "all information". Depending on the amount of blurring you'll lose dynamic range, eventually all of it giving exactly zero information.
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Megapixels aren't as important as the optics.. aka lenses..
I've seen some of the raw pictures that these high mega-pixel cameraphones take.. blurry shit at the pixel level, making them no better than a much lower resolution camera with better glass.
I got a nokia 808.
the megapixels are extremely nice to have, even if you just save at 8mpix. it's a large sensor.. nokias have the best optics too.
too bad 1020 has a shitty operating system.
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Funny to see a Symbian user call WP shitty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU [youtube.com]
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Yes true, but take the same blury shit lens on a high megapixel camera and apply basic noise reduction and the results will be a whole world better than that of the low resolution camera when the resulting image is scaled to the same size. By increasing the pixel count the random noise distribution is made finer which makes it far easier to apply noise reduction without losing detail ... because there was no detail to begin with.
Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)
Because it's a 1/1.5" sensor (3.93 crop factor) at its widest focal length and 1/4.5" at it's narrowest, with an f/2.2 lens, which means a relatively small ~3mm aperture which will necessarily yield muddy pictures, similar to most point-and-shoots?
Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)
A camera phone being similar to a point and a shoot is a good thing. Why compare it to DSLRs?
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Yes but the optics point is still critical.
What is the point of being able to zoom in to 41MP when the optics fall over and blur all the pixels to the same value anyway?
And no it has zero optical zoom. It has digital cropping zoom rather than digital scaling zoom.
Flawless zoom quality yes (with MP loss) but no optical elements move. The same picture is seen by the sensor so the zooming is not performed by the optics.
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Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. I wonder if you've ever uses a camera not built into a phone in your life.
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Spoken like someone who think all camera tech is the same. It's not. Read the whitepaper http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/2723846/data/1/-/Lumia1020-whitepaper.pdf [nokia.com]
Which phone camera has 6 lenses and physical image stabilization?
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I think the digital-zoom capability argument falls on its face though. I've looked at the sample images. The camera is clearly designed to oversample. The entire technology is based around oversampling. The instant you start zooming digitally you lose that oversampling and the technology falls on its face.
The phone is designed to store smaller pictures, there's no point storing 40MP files. I guess a lot of people missed the point... photoshop isn't going to be able to do jack with a full 40MP file from
Technical details and sample pictures (Score:3, Insightful)
If you're comparing a phone camera with a DSLR then it means it has already won. Anyway, here's more technical details.
Sample photos from the phone http://www.flickr.com/photos/87544844%40N00/sets/72157634597356196/ [flickr.com]
Review of the photo tech http://pureviewclub.com/2013/15270 [pureviewclub.com]
Whitepaper from Nokia on the tech http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/2723846/data/1/-/Lumia1020-whitepaper.pdf [nokia.com]
Sample photos from the predecessor http://www.flickr.com/groups/nokia808/ [flickr.com]
Nokia presentation showcasing the phone http://www.youtube. [youtube.com]
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There's that saying that the best camera is the one you've got on you when the moment happens. This is clearly targeting photographers who can't carry a DSLR with them all the time, or people interested in photography but not willing to commit to an expensive camera.
The 41MP isn't just so you can take gargantuan pictures -- it is intended to replace a zoom lens. The example photos I've seen look comparable to the best point-and-shoots I've seen, and it has exceptional OIS and low-light performance. If they
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Megapixels are more important for a phone camera than a DSLR, because on the phone, you don't have optical zoom, so you want the spare pixels to work with for digital zoom.
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Not for me. My last phone would take crappy pictures quickly but especially in low light I'd have to fiddle with it and take several to get one that was good enough. My 920 is slower but I spend less time deleting failed attempts. Plus, I'm sure they'll get the speed up a bit by the time it ships.
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It's not just plain binning. With higher resolution you spread noise out into a smaller area. By applying noise reduction and THEN binning the picture you end up with an incredibly low-noise image.
This was noted as well when Nikon released the D800. Everyone cried foul saying the D700 would perform better in low light, and when the pictures were blown up and analysed pixel by pixel on a computer they were right. When the picture was viewed, or noise reduction applied, or any normal form of photo was made w
Is it just me... (Score:2, Insightful)
or has smartphone technology reached something of a plateau? I mean, I had a iPhone 3GS for years and I held off from upgrading until the 5 was released, thinking that there'd be a step change or paradigm shift of some sort. When the time came I left Apple because looking around it seemed that all of the top of the line handsets are basically the same. I don't exactly push the envelope with my phone useage, and despite what people say I don't know many that do. In terms of the core functionality and int
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or has smartphone technology reached something of a plateau? I mean, I had a iPhone 3GS for years and I held off from upgrading until the 5 was released, thinking that there'd be a step change or paradigm shift of some sort. When the time came I left Apple because looking around it seemed that all of the top of the line handsets are basically the same. I don't exactly push the envelope with my phone useage, and despite what people say I don't know many that do. In terms of the core functionality and interface experience, I couldn't find much to choose between Apple, HTC, Nokia or Samsung.
The iPhone was fantastic back in the day. The touchscreen and build quality were a real step forward and set a new standard. But these day smartphones are just another part of the scenery. Any it's not as if they're really moving forwards. The handsets have gotten as small as they can practically be, and then bigger again. Most handsets use the same style screens. Sure, we get more processing power and what not, but seriously how many cores do you need to check e-mail and post to facebook?
I'm using a Lumia 900 right now. And I'n going to stick with it until the next device comes along that changes the game on the same scale as the iPhone 3G did.
I thought so too until recently.
I had ... actually still do have a Samsung Galaxy S1 captivate circa 2010. It is very slow and the browser crashes at least once a day. I bought a galaxy 4S and couldn't believe the difference! It was freaking fast. It had light sensors in both cameras so the screen could auto adjust brightness. It has motion sensors so the pages go up and down based on your retina scanning. It has voice activation commands. If you click 2 of them together it can double as one screen.
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light sensors: old.
motion sensor scrolling: old
sharing network connection to pda's: '90s old.
data cap listing: as old.
it is in a plateau. and the "old" means that the features were introduced in phones ten years ago, everything is just slightly better.
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"I'm tempted to say, this recalls the old saying, you use Windows because you have to. You use (any other platform) because you want to."
Only stupid people make emotional decisions regarding tools, there are far better reasons than "because you want to". If you choose a platform based solely on "want" then you playing with it, not using it. Very different things.
Regarding the topic, what distinguishes a smartphone is its ability to be extended with apps. These days, if it's not Android or iOS, it's at a
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I didn't say anything about it being an emotional decision. I'm mildly excited about the Samsung Note series, but because of what it does and how it may fit into my workflow. (Besides the variable pressure stylus, the ability to be a USB master is a selling point.) I currently use Windows because an app I need for content creation currently only runs there (plus certain hardware support). C'est ce que c'est.
Re:Is it just me... (Score:4)
I have been using linux for over 10 years for my servers and desktops. I have also use windows since before 3.x. However I recently got a lumia 521 windows 8 phone. In the price range I was looking at none of the android phones ran the current version of android. The lumia 521 was $130 total to buy. It also has wifi calling. In the labs on campus the cell signal is basically non-existant. I needed a phone so I could continue to deal with customers to pay for my going back to school and doing lab work over the summer. With the wifi calling I can send and receive calls, texts etc all transparently anywhere in any of our buildings since they all have wifi.
This phone has worked very well for me and enabled me to spend a lot more time on campus instead of at home or somewhere where I could use a different phone. Sure windows may not often be a good choice but at least some people choose it because it is the right choice given the available options.
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Good job trying to establish Linux cred before the Windows plug, but let's look at this.
> In the price range I was looking at none of the android phones ran the current version of android.
Ok, firstly, you either know that's not true and you're betting that some people will just take it on face value, or you haven't looked very hard. Jelly Bean was completed in November and c|net did an article on the top five Jelly Bean handsets on the shelves in January. That's a pretty short time to market by any me
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Just for one example, the LG Nexus 4 [wikipedia.org] was introduced November 2012 with 4.2. C|net reports it was running 4.2.1 in January; it's currently running 4.2.2. So clearly 4.2 phones were available within days of its release. *And* amazon shows it as approx $150 cheaper than the Lumia. What is your definition of "none of the Android phones in my price range"?
But as much as I think I might be wasting my time, I'm mildly interested; what feature in 4.2 that 4.1 did not have that Windows Phone *does* h
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Only stupid people make emotional decisions regarding tools, there are far better reasons than "because you want to".
Nonsense. When buying a simple mechanical tool like a hammer, it's much better to try holding it, swinging it and see what it feels like than going through a list of specifications. Same with smartphones, in that there's a real difference in how you physically interact with them. If it gets the job done with a minimal amount of stress, you'll be happy with it. The need for special apps as front-ends to every little web page (which is what most smartphone apps are) is there mainly because phones in general a
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MalachiK is using a WP7 device, which is decidedly lacking in features compared to WP8 or current Android versions. However, several of the features that Billly Gates mentions also exist on the Lumia 920, which runs WP8: data sense and warning, WiFi-based Internet sharing, voice activation, brightness sensors (not that those are anythign new) as do several other cool features that he didn't, like wireless charging and a low-light camera.
Excitement about features is cool. I totally understand. But don't conf
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Another vote for the crappiness of the original Galaxy. We owned one (or tried to -- actually six total, as we kept having to take it back) and vowed never again to buy anything from Samsung. The boycott was finally called off years later when the Note came out. It appears that Samsung has finally gotten its act together.
Microsoft may have also, but it's going to take much, much longer for me to trust them again. As bad as the Samsung Galaxy was, it wasn't even close to the aggravation of Windows Phone
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To put it simply, smart phones are now capable of so much more than being simply a phone that their usefulness as a phone has been greatly diminished in the form of terrible battery life compared to what we used to have.
New phones that are simply phones would be nice to see. It doesn't need to have a bunch of power hungry radios in it. Just a phone. With great battery life, quality phone-based features, and that's it. Leave the rest of it for tablets and other doodads.
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Yep..
This is why I have a Nexus 4 for 'mobile computing', and a circa 2008 Nokia for... using as a phone.
Close to a week of battery life on a single charge is what it's all about, along with legendary call quality, range, etc.
Whenever we need a phone, my girlfriend's S3 is *always* dead, near dead, or charging. The nokia is ready for action. Shame they don't make them anymore.
When we go camping for a long weekend, I don't even need to worry about bringing a charger for the Nokia!
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Windows Phone (Score:5, Interesting)
If you check email, surf the web, do some multimedia, make phone calls - Windows Phone absolutely rocks. If you want apps, not so much. I have Windows Phone and have been tempted by Android, but not enough for me to switch to Android. I prefer WP over Apple and BlackBerry. I would guess half of the negative Windows Phone comments on here are people who probably didn't even pick up a device for 2 minutes. Just fashionable to hate on MS here it seems.
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another anonymous coward post, praising windows on phones, and sounding soooo badly hurt about people not liking it. it probably is fashionable to hate ms in phone shops by that logic :)
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But for many of us, apps are the phone. I run my life on OmniFocus, and I'm about 99.99% sure there'll never be a Windows Phone port of it. What about 1Password? Simple Bank? I'm sure everyone on an iPhone or Android has a pet app (or dozen) that they don't want to live without.
And that's my main gripe against Windows Phone. It's a pretty decent system by all accounts, but it just doesn't (and won't) do the stuff I'd need it to do. That's not hating - that's pragmatism.
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Then why did you post the original as AC and this under your (possibly) actual handle?
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Half the reasons on that list were obsolete before WP8 even came out (and WP8 is more different under the covers from WP7 than WP7 was from WinMo6.5), and about an eighth of them were never true. Most of the rest have been obsoleted since. That list has been trotted out so many times it's *probably* got more links to it than the number of point-by-point refutations, some of which have been posted right here on Slashdot.
At this point, it's the equivalent of claiming that Windows 8 is still based on DOS becau
Re:Better Sale (Score:4, Interesting)
I recently switched to a Windows Phone (Lumia 920) from the iPhone 5 through that promotion that Nokia is running for trade ins. Yes, I voluntarily funneled out $450 for a Lumia 920 (of which I'll get $360 back when I send 'em my iPhone 5)
Anyways...
Overall, I've been happy with the phone. It works reasonably well. And while the lack of apps can be a problem, it hasn't detracted from the functionality of the phone itself. The best I can say is 'different'.
I also like the live tiles over notification center...
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At the time of its release, IE10 was faster than Chrome on both rendering and JS. IE10 on the phone is faster, hardware to hardware, than all but the latest browsers for Android, and the difference there is meaningless. It's got standards support, performance, and (for a phone browser) a decent feature set (I admit I'd like the synched bookmarks of Chrome, but there are apps for that).
Stop living in the past, grandpa. IE6 is dead and gone (speaking as a former web dev: thank $DEITY)
No one else bothered by the name? (Score:3)
I have to think they names it the "1020" just to put technical people on edge. So close...
Actual price? (Score:3)
$299 seems kind of cheap for a flagship product with this feature set. Is it really $299, or is it $299 + a lot more $ in contractual obligation over the next 2 years?
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The latter. A 920 is at least $450 off contract; I can only assume this will be more.
um... (Score:2)
An article about a windows phone? Why is this on here? What's Microsoft market share in phones? Doesn't Nintendo sell more phones than them?
(while I'm kidding about Nintendo there is this image: http://cdn.pocketnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/6a00d8341c5c9353ef01156f2acdc3970c-800wi.jpg [pocketnow.com] )
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As a nerd I would say this is news relevant to my interests.
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What's Microsoft market share in phones?
Better than all of desktop Linux put together... [venturebeat.com]
Still single-digit worldwide (though double digit in some markets), but that doesn't mean anything very important. Android was once tiny too.
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What exactly is wrong with Windows Phone?
The UI concept is very elegant and better than anything iOS or Android has to offer. Windows Phone has excellent developer tools, easily the best. I'm not crazy about the system being locked-down, but this is the standard for phones. iOS is considerably worse in this regard and while I will concede that Android is a bit better, it's still quite locked down but not without major security flaws (SD Card permissions for example).
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get lost brown shirt.
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For me it's usability.
I like that on my tablet I can bring up a command line prompt and have access to the entire system (rooted) and use it as if it's a Linux computer. On my phone I like that I can load up an sshd server and remote into my phone.
To me it's the ability to use my device how I wish. With an iDevice or Windows device I feel too limited. I don't like that.
Lumia/Metro/WPhone8 not bad (Score:3)
I've not had an Android phone, but I have an iPod touch, as well as a new Lumia 520. I'll say that I'd be fine w/ either the Lumia or the iPhone.
I've seen Windows 8 on desktops and can see how ugly it would be there. However, on the phone, it's just fine. It does a great job guessing words when one is typing, and I can easily see it as being as good as iOS. In other words, great for e-mail & sms. I also like, amongst its features, its mapping and GPS capabilities, as well as some of the general a
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Personally I've been really happy with my 920 but I don't think I could use any phone as my main pc. Which phone did you settle on for that?
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Makes sense. I think if I was stranded on an island (with decent reception) and had to use a phone as my main PC I'd have to go with one that has a keyboard. I still find typing on a touchscreen a bit frustrating.
Re:Unfortunately... (Score:5, Funny)
"What good is a man with a stump?"
I can tell you're not a typical slashdotter or you'd already know the answer: 3d printing.
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Re:Unfortunately... (Score:5, Informative)
Sounds like you want a modern Nokia... but the TRUE Nokia, how it would be now if the Microsoft plant hadn't destroyed the company. So, you want a Jolla. [theverge.com]
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In other words, everyone in the world is like your family and do not have different needs, likes and preferences. personally I could say exactly the same about Symbian in my family back when it was still actively developed. - it seems the guy you replied to (lets just assume that everything on the internet is true) gave it a try but still found it to be lacking. there was no hate in his post, infact i read it more like he was sad it didnt work as well as he hoped.
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I have. He's right.
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maybe the ac you replied to is elop :)
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Since when is popularity the metric of good quality? By that metric OS X and Linux are very bad OSes.
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Linux is probably more widespread than Windows. Unless your wireless router is from Apple, it probably runs Linux. Same for tablets, ebook readers, and phones, of course. Windows only owns the desktop, which is here to stay, but gets less and less relevant each year.
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I think someone has already pointed out that Unix (OSX, iOS) and Linux (Android) are doing very well, thanks. And the reasons why Windows is the top desktop OS is a topic for another discussion, and has almost nothing to do with usability. (Even more so with the debacle that is Windows 8.)
Popularity is the metric of popularity. There are a lot of reasons why people aren't buying Microsoft's phones. Like me, they may have owned a previous model. (I'll never touch one again.) They may have toyed with on
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> I'm pretty much surprised I don't see a comment below this mentioning that Android is Linux.
I think you just said. :-) And if you go back far enough, OSX -> Nextstep -> AUX -> BSD, which makes Berkeley Unix one of the most popular desktop OS's. :-) One could say, the year of *nix on the desktop is done got here. And has been for awhile.
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I still prefer my hand warmers to run Linux as it increases the 'warm and fuzzy' effect of the warmer.
My preferred hand warmer configuration is a Galaxy S3 with a full battery and Google Earth spinning around some 3d buildings.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that all of these retorts are being done by the same person?
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Yeah, like that one.
Re:Why hasn't Nokia crumbled yet? (Score:4, Informative)
Bubble, my ass.Nokia smartphone unit is loss-making since the declared Symbian phones dead and sales collapsed. Source: Nokia quartely earning reports. Exactly up to this point smartphones sales were increasing and the smart devices unit was profitable. They fired a lot of people (and the smart ones left), sold business units, and even their head quarter to stay a float. Other units like NSN are profitable which a helps. As a smartphone vendor the fall from number 1 to 10. And here a nice picture about the colllapse caused by the switch to Windows Phone: http://www.asymco.com/2013/04/18/lumia-is-the-light-visible/ [asymco.com]
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smart devices contribution margin:
2010 Q2 8,1
2010 Q3 9,3
2010 Q4 11,6
2011 Q1 6,2 (Symbian declared dead)
2011 Q2 -6,2
2011 Q3 -5,9
2011 Q4 -7
2012 Q1 -18,3
2012 Q2 -32,9
2012 Q3 -48,9
2012 Q4 -21,6
2012 Q1 -16,2
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The first nokia windows phones came out in october of 2011 meaning precious symbian was falling behind before they even had the replacement.
that's because they declared symbian dead.
elop did it on purpose to kill it off faster than it would have otherwise gone. he just announced from a rooftop to the world to stop buying them.
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If you mean at the time of Elop's announcement there were 0 MeeGo phones developed. The N9 was only finished so quickly because it became terminal and thus the politics reduced. MeeGo was fundamentally flawed in that opposite promises had been made to different groups.
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Other specs not so hot. (Score:2)
Let's be honest people. 41MP is amazing. I still won't be getting one since it runs WiPh, but the camera is amazing. Period. End of Story.
From he article "4.5-inch, 1,280-by-768 screen. Lumia 1020 is powered by a dual-core, 1.5-GHz Qualcomm MSM8960" ...With the new standard of 5" 1080p quad-core phones especially considering this is twinned with "a high resolution camera" seems really stupid, and from its competitors HTC One(and Butterfly); Samsung Galaxy S4 and Xperia Z(L) as well as an army of cheap Chinese phones Selling at $200 I've been looking at a Neo N003 at $145
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"new standard" of 1080p phones? I know exactly two models with that resolution and a screen that big or larger. The vast majority of brand new smartphones are still less than 5" and are at most 1280x768; most are actually 1280x720. Quad-core is similarly still uncommon, and is mostly a benfit on Android with its love af battery-killing background tasks.
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LMFTFY
Except that optical zoom means jack shit when there is a 41MP element
Re:41 megapixel of stupidity (Score:5, Informative)
The Bayer filter means only one pixel in 4 is red, so the camera's 8 MP is effectively capturing only 2 MP of red image data, which is less than the 2.8 MP limit I just calculated. The extra "data" bumping it up to 8 MP is "made up" by the Bayer filter processing algorithm. Unless they go with a bigger lens or a wider field of view, the camera simply can't resolve more than about 8-10 subpixels of data (counting each color pixel as separate). Increase the pixel count and you'll just be capturing two blurry pixels instead of one sharp one. You can see this if you compare a cell phone pic with a DSLR pic at 100%. Because more of the data is "made up" by the Bayer algorithm in the cell phone pic, it looks blurrier than the DSLR pic where adjacent subpixels are getting truly different optical data.
I haven't seen specs on the Lumina 1020 optical hardware. But its predecessor the 808 uses a 8.02mm f/2.4 lens, which is 3.34mm across - nearly twice as wide as the iPhone's. It has an angular resolution limit of 0.0146 degrees. Its field of view is a 26mm equivalent, or 69.4x49.6 degrees. That puts its maximum capture resolution at 4737x3386 pixels, or 16 MP. The 41 MP sensor means about 10.2 MP of red data is captured, which again is less than the 16 MP theoretical limit.
In practical use, the "you need a big lens to capture that much resolution" rule only applies to telephotos. In fact the Rayleigh criterion was derived while probing the theoretical resolving limits of telescopes. If you're using a tiny lens, what you give up in angular resolution you can make back with a wide field of view.
But what about optical quality? One of the advantages of using such a small lens is that it's a lot easier to grind it "perfectly". It takes a lot of work and quality control to grind a professional chunk of glass 77mm in diameter within a fraction of a wavelength to the desired shape. It's much easier to grid a 2mm wide lens into the desired shape, and it doesn't cost you much to just chuck it in the trash if it didn't come out perfectly.
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Unless something has changed drastically lately a very small 41MP sensor is going to be a bit noisy anyway so could be a weaker link than the optics.
To me this just looks like a hack to get digital zoom for OK snapshots in good light instead of going for detail, and since the senso
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808 proved to be lot better in photos than 8mpix sensors.
it's a bigger sensor, bigger lens than usual. it takes better photos in better resolution. vastly better.
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Ah. Idiot know-it-alls. Always eager to ignore readily available empirical evidence.
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If you want a phone with Meego, wait for the Jolla. It's the closest you will ever get.
Good thing this has nothing to do with Win8... (Score:2)
Your comment could be taken far more seriously if you had given any indication that you even knew there was a difference between Windows and Windows Phone. Aside from both using NT-family kernels (definitely not the same kernel though, even accounting for CPU architecture) and having live tiles and sharing some APIs, the only similarity is their name. iOS and Android are more alike than Win8 and WP8.
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I'm not a fan of things not open source, but claiming that any device (including iphone) just works is just silly market speak.
My boss was fighting his new iphone 5 yesterday to install something but the market app kept crashing and he had to hard reboot the phone every time.
He was almost begging to get his old windows phone back.
So there exists some people that prefer windows over the apple one for real reasons :)
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I'm not a fan of things not open source, but claiming that any device (including iphone) just works is just silly market speak.
My boss was fighting his new iphone 5 yesterday to install something but the market app kept crashing and he had to hard reboot the phone every time.
Indeed. When the iphone was qualified as a company phone, you heard co-workers going (dial dial dial) "Hello? Damn." (dial dial dial) "Hello? Damn!" (dial dial dial) "Hello? DAMMIT!" and then Jobs told them they were holding it wrong, and some of them believed it. It's an odd, cult-like kind of mindshare.
He was almost begging to get his old windows phone back.
So there exists some people that prefer windows over the apple one for real reasons :)
You lost me there. Why would anyone who had version 5 or 6 (which were buggy, extremely difficult to use, and ultimately abandoned by M$) or 7 (also abandoned by M$), or knew someone with this exper
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Between you and me, I know what "just works" means in the Apple ecosystem. It goes back to being voluntarily imprisoned in the little sheltered garden. "It just works" in that context means you don't get to change the look and feel or run non-apple services in the background or a dozen other things that might make it not work. And for some people, that's fine.
In the Microsoft ecosystem, I suspect that "just works" means, "yeah, we know that previous versions didn't work very well. This one does. Trust
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Oh, and another good reason was, he got it for free.
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Right, exactly, as a marketing strategy, unsubstantiated claims of "it's great! it's easy to use! my kids fight for the privilege of using it!" kinda fall flat.
Not even iphone users fall for that, and they'll fall for ANYTHING. I mean, watching people huddling in the parking lot in the rain waiting for the store to open in order to be the first ones to exchange their 4 for a 4s, what was the marketing phrase? Not "it's great, it's easy to use", they already were convinced of that. One word: Siri. Now i