Galaxy S 4 Dominates In Early Benchmark Testing 276
redkemper writes with an excerpt from BGR.com of interest to anyone in the market for a new phone: "Samsung's Galaxy S 4 might not offer much in the way of an exciting new exterior design, but inside, it's a completely different story. The retooled internals on the U.S. version of the Galaxy S 4 were put to the test by benchmark specialists Primate Labs and the results are impressive, to say the least. The Galaxy S 4 scored a 3,163 on the standard Geekbench 2 speed test, just shy of twice the iPhone 5's score of 1,596. That score was also good enough to top the upcoming HTC One, the Nexus 4 and the previous-generation Galaxy S III."
funny thing is (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:funny thing is (Score:5, Informative)
sgs 3 is better than iphone5 in that chart
The international sgs 3 is better, the US sgs 3 isn't.
I was never sure why samsung put a slower soc in the phones that went to the US.
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Re:funny thing is (Score:4, Interesting)
Faster in some senses.. the dual core did better in some areas than the quad-core (due to the faster clock speed even if it isn't a massive clock-speed jump). I have a Quad-Core international (since my wireless carrier doesn't have LTE and is going HSPA+ instead) vs some of the people I know who have the dual-core US one.. (one of which said they thought the screen on my international seemed clearer than their US one although I think that was in their head)
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Erm the GP's point was older phone is faster than the new 'more fashionable' phone.
Re:funny thing is (Score:5, Informative)
Qualcomm's "Snapdragon [wikipedia.org] has good in-package support for cellular flavors in common use in the US. As can be seen in the wikipedia list, that puts them in quite a few US-release phones, even from people like Samsung who have their own SoCs.
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sgs 3 is better than iphone5 in that chart
The international sgs 3 is better, the US sgs 3 isn't.
I was never sure why samsung put a slower soc in the phones that went to the US.
because you're(assuming) stupid enough to buy the shit US operators sell you on partial payment plans on their quirky networks they like to choose quirky tech for so that it's harder for you to switch operators and harder to buy phones from open market.
faster... (Score:2)
not better.
Re:funny thing is (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm more surprised that they were so close.... That's actually a vote in favour of the Apple offering, because Apple's slower processor with half the processing cores will use less battery....
Is not quite that simple - the quad-core 1.4GHz might be able to finish some intensive operations significantly faster than the dual-core 1.3GHz, allowing it to go back to a low-power state earlier and save more battery.
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It's not really that straight forward. For many tasks, multi-cores are under-rated, it just depends on the task and how the software is written. Multi-cores are not particularly helpful with single threaded applications though, true.
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Re:funny thing is (Score:5, Insightful)
Listening to music while system is checking the email in background and you browse a site IS taking advantage of multicore systems on desktop OR a phone, as long as the OS scheduler is multi-core aware. Phones are multicore to accomplish such parallel tasks.
Applications don't need to be aware of multicore. OS scheduler will take care of that. [linux.no]
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They are very different cores.
The US SGS3 variants have a dual Qualcomm Krait. The international SGS3 variant is quad Cortex-A9.
Krait is capable of significantly higher performance at a given clock speed than Cortex-A9 - it's capable of close to the speeds of a Cortex-A15 core at a given clock speed.
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so why are the "slower" intel CPU's of today so much faster than the 4GHz monsters they sold 10 years ago?
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Put another way, if you go back 10 years from the P4 3.8GHz in 2004, you are at the Pentium 75 in 1994. I don't even know where to find a single benchmark to compare the two! The
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Is not quite that simple - the quad-core 1.4GHz might be able to finish some intensive operations significantly faster than the dual-core 1.3GHz, allowing it to go back to a low-power state earlier and save more battery.
In theory, yes. In practice, if that were going to be a significant factor, then wouldn't the benchmark show a significantly higher score than the 1.4GHz quad? The two were close enough to make me wonder, is all.
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Maybe that's true, in theory. But in my experience with both android and iOS is that iOS ALWAYS has more battery life that android. It's more noticeable the larger the device. My iPad outlasts my Nexus 7 by such a large margin that it's a joke. My Nexus 7 spends more time charging than it does being used (and that's not an exaggeration).
Apple just does battery life better. I've never seen a case where any android device beats it unless you get into outliers like the Motorola Maxx phones which have craz
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Also, many android apps include spyware services that run in the background (which is why I try to pay a lot of attention to them), why does a flashlight app need full
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This would be because Apple does not permit as many things to run in the background as Android does. But, consequently, it limits the functionality of apps developed for iOS.
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Fair question. I don't think so though because even before Android got enormous, they always seemed to lack battery.
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because Apple's slower processor with half the processing cores will use less battery....
Thats not a for sure unless its been shown. I thought everyone would know by now that you cant just compare mhz to mhz across CPU families?
Quick, Ivy Bridge 3.4 GHz vs AMD 3.1GHz-- who will use less power? Pentium 4 2.8 vs Piledriver 2.4GHz-- which is faster?
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but simply the fact that more expensive device that came out, what, 6 months later, performs less well. Most end users would probably be a bit suprised to find that out given that they'd expect the more expensive device to perform better, especially when it was so much newer.
I'm so over this meme. all new top-shelf cell phones cost the same. $199 with contract. All cheap bargain bin cell phones cost the same. there is no such thing as "iphone more expensive than galaxy s"
You may not be an Apple fangirl, but you're obviously comfortable being a bit dishonest with the truth when it comes to Samsung, so fangirl or not, you're still a twat.
thank you, what was missing from this conversation was a bit of misogyny.
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Actually, that's because the Android market is so fragmented. There are no iOS phones other than iPhones. There are very, very many Android devices, and the S3 has a fraction of the Android market.
Great! (Score:3, Interesting)
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It's a friggin' phone (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's a friggin' phone (Score:4, Interesting)
To use your example against you, I started a new position as an infrastructure specialist a year ago, working with someone with 13 years experience at the same company. I got outfitted with a new Ryobi 18V tool set so that he and I could share batteries with his decade-old 18V Ryobi tool set. The power drill from his set has places for two bits, the plastic housing is sturdy, and the bit holders don't lose their bits easily. My new one has a flimsy plastic housing the deforms under pressure, has only one position to store a bit, and the bit frequently pops out. The only new feature on my drill is a little LED that's supposed to shine on the work area while the drill is in use, but that feature is negated by the need to use bit extensions to reach into wire management and server racks with equipment protruding.
So, newer is definitely not always better, even when the newer product is a direct successor-in-market to the old product. The Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Volaré were arguably worse cars than the Dodge Dart and Plymouth Valiant that they replaced. The Netbook type of computer was a lesser product than the Subnotebook type it replaced. The modern Craftsman any-fastener wrench is a lesser product than the 12pt wrench as while it technically fits everything, it fits nothing especially well.
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I'm actually surprised the S4 only scores twice as much as the iPhone 5. Given the latter is still just a dual core 1.3GHz processor. The S4 is a 4+4 ("octacore" if you want to believe the marketing) running at 1.5-1.8GHz. Geekbench takes cores into account, so it should be much more than double the iPhone 5.
I suppose they could
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Just to correct one point, the iPhone 4 has 512MB RAM.
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If you think that has a market, design, manufacture, and market a phone case with a bottle opener and corkscrew and start reaping in the dough.
Don't be absurd.
Now a cupholder [iphoneinformer.com], on the other hand...
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Now if I can only get a new carrying pouch cheap, this current one is falling apart...
iPhone is not cutting edge (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:iPhone is not cutting edge (Score:5, Informative)
the CPU and GPU in the iphone 5 were cutting edge for 2012.
i'm playing Real Racing 3 and the graphics are about as good as the xbox
MHz or GHz speed has never been a good predictor of actual processing power. Intel sold 4GHz CPU's 10 years ago. the 2GHz ones they sell now are A LOT faster
cpu/gpu architecture and the having the software actually take advantage of the hardware features will give you better performance than paper specs
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must be getting old
either way the 2.4GHz iCore and Xeon's i'm using now are a lot faster than the 3.4GHz ones from a decade ago. still have a few old HP proliants with 3.4GHz Xeons.
Geekbench is multithreaded (Score:3)
And the scores scale linearly, so you can just divide the scores of the new Samsung quad core by 2 to get a rough comparison with the iPhone 5. This gives an estimate of SIMILAR single-threaded performance between the two.
There are variations not handled by the simple comparison method (e.g. bandwidth-limited scaling of more cores, or clock turbo/throttling depending on number of cores used), but it's a pretty quick and fairly accurate comparison.
what's the killer ap for bigger CPU on cell phone (Score:5, Insightful)
what's the killer app for increased CPU?
why do I need such a powerful computation engine in my pocket? the main use I see is if it gets to be good enough to be a desktop replacement and I can just dock it to a big screen. But until then having more cpu or GPU isn't going to let be surf the internet faster or type e-mail faster or even give me longer battery life. THe existing ones already play HD movies so the frame rate threshold has been reached for highly satisfactory video.
SO what's the killer app for increased CPU? playing halo? Nice but not a killer app for a cell phone I think. I just can't think of anything in terms of compuational horsepower that I would like my cell phone to do that it doesn't do now and for which the cell platform is the right place to do it. I need help with my imagination I guess.
For me the thing I need on my cell phone is vastly more battery. Why? Well aside from the obvious of longer charge time, you could probably vastly increase the communication rate and reliability by broadcasting more power. You could certainly increase the amount of time you would be tempted to use video (battery consumers).
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games?
only reason to buy an iphone over android at this point is games. i play real racing 3 on my iphone 5 and the graphics are about as good as my xbox 360. ipad 4 has better GPU and will be slightly better.
and if you have an apple TV you can output the game to your TV to make it like a real game console and that takes CPU power as well as a nice wifi router
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The AppleTV adds MPEG-4 artifacts. Even the HDMI cable adds MPEG-4 artifacts.
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I've got an old Nook Color (800MHz single-core A8) lying around, it's still perfectly OK for most everything I do on a tablet, except HD video (I don't game).
I think OEMs are mis-aiming. Better battery, louder sound, more rugged design... would be more interesting to me than octo-core with bells on.
Re:what's the killer ap for bigger CPU on cell pho (Score:4, Funny)
what's the killer app for increased CPU?
You won't ask those sorts of questions next time you're trapped in your car, upside down in a snowbank, and that Space Heater App is the only thing standing between you and grim death!
The killer app is zombification! (Score:2)
Botnets controlled by criminals, of course. It's a growth industry!
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SO what's the killer app for increased CPU?
On the fly translation of spoken language, for one.
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I'd take power/weight savings over processing speed any day in my phone. Wish Apple/Samsung would optimize for that.
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You get to charge your cell phone more often?
Seriously, Apple takes great care to make sure battery life lasts as long as possible.
I'm not saying the S3 or S4 are bad phones, but I think we can be sophisticated enough to worry about overall experience for what you are trying to accomplish.
Maybe I want a faster processor and lower battery life. But I agree with you. I don't see the killer app that requires a super-charged CPU.
That's an interesting take considering the talk time, standby time and battery capacity stats are firmly in the favor of the samsung devices. The s3 out talks the iphone5 by over two hours. No telling what the s4 will do, but based upon their trend, it will improve on the s3.
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This couldn't be more untrue. The newest iPhones always are in the top of the pack when it comes to CPU performance and they always have had cutting edge GPUs.
Re:iPhone is not cutting edge (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, at around the time of iPhone 4, Apple started putting in some good specs. By the time the iPhone 5 came out it, was among the fastest phones. This is in direct contrast to the early iPhones which had tragically bad specs.
I mean it seemed to me the were targeted at complete retards - people would show me their (gen 1) iPhone and say "look at how well you can browse the web". I could see how the UI of the browser was an improvement over my 3-year old PDAs (Axim X50v) browser, however trying to read on that half-VGA screen would give me instant headaches. Yes, my 3-year old PDA has twice the resolution and a faster CPU. In fact, even before that, my ancient (2003) Toshiba e805 had a 4" screen with full VGA resolution. Consider also the fact that the iPhone originally did not support apps, it should become apparent that the touch-friendly UI alone would not have given momentum to the iPhone release if it was not for marketing and fanboy-ism.
And yet it is surprising that people would call the original iPhone e.g. as a "high resolution display" device. There were devices at least 2 years older with 3x the resolution (but Nokia was too stupid to make a phone back then based on the N770/N800), but they were "invisible" to people.
After Apple opened a new market and everybody jumped in, then they started trying to compete on merit and not just style.
Another reversal that has happened is that now iOS is the least innovative OS. Android - though I am still not a great fan - evolves quickly and I have seen UIs made from scratch (e.g. Swipe UI on Maemo/Meego) look like they are coming to us from the next decade (in look and functionality). Instead of a modern OS on retarded hardware Apple now offers modern (at least relatively) hardware on an aging platform. The only thing that hasn't changed is that you always get less functionality than the competition and you can't change the battery or add memory...
Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-not-cyanogenmod-support-174322/ [androidauthority.com]
Reports are coming in that Cyanogenmod will not be spending any resources on Galaxy S4. None. They've complained that the Galaxy models are too hard to keep working. The strange thing about it, Cyanogen works for Samsung on their Android Team.
Question is, will that affect your decision to buy or not buy the Galaxy S4.
Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:5, Insightful)
if i was to leave iphone for android it would be the S4 or the Note
couldn't care less about rooting and tooting. its like the shade tree mechanics of 30 years ago. people have nothing better to do with their devices.
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Personally, I'm not likely to buy another non-Nexus device. You can't trust Samsung to update the OS, and it's nice to be able to remove any custom Samsung software. Third-party ROM support is never guaranteed, and is often required for non-Nexus devices, even just to fix security vulnerabilities.
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i was going to "buy" a free Galaxy S2 for my mother in law 2 months ago. main reason was that it was getting ICS and maybe even Jellybean.
as far as the point updates, don't really care if my phone has 4.2.1 and the latest is 4.2.2. i update my iphone 5 to the latest ios when its released, but don't really see any difference. the one difference i saw was a bug where my phone wouldn't work with my car's USB except on locally stored music. it was fixed in the last month and now i can listen to spotify and pand
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Samsung has to be one of the best at actually updating. The issue I think you're seeing and wrongly blaming on Samsung is your CARRIERs lack of updating. Both my Galaxy S and Galaxy S 3 are unlocked units from Immix Wireless. They don't screw with the ROMs or anything else. My wife had a Verizon Fascinate (a Galaxy S phone) and while my Galaxy S was getting updates from Samsung fairly steadily and was at 2.4.3 IIRC before I went 3rd party ROMs, my wifes fascinate was still back on 2.3 (or at least 2.3.x).
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The Galaxy S line is just 3 years old and can support 4.2.2 through CyanogenMod. It should be supported by Samsung for 3 years as well, I think. 2.3 is ancient (as Android versions go), and was out when the S line was still being sold. Admittedly, keeping an Android phone up to date with the latest version isn't that important for features because of overall flexibility, getting security updates is.
Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:4, Interesting)
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so i miss out on google now? who cares
the way android OS versions are buying something like the S2 which has ICS is perfectly safe from an application compatibility standpoint. ICS is at its peak installs now so it will be at least 2 years before good apps will require jellybean or something later
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If you are not like most people and like to run the latest and greatest OS version, the S4 may not be a good choice.
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Installing CM on my phone was fun, but honestly, it's still the same phone it was before, just with different standard backgrounds and a few apps that were bundled in with it. Jailbreaking my ipad was a bit more functional, but at the end of the day, I tinker with my devices because I
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Rooting is nice (.hosts ad blocking, etc), but other than that, I agree....meh. No need for crazy custom firmwares.
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Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:4, Insightful)
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-not-cyanogenmod-support-174322/ [androidauthority.com]
Reports are coming in that Cyanogenmod will not be spending any resources on Galaxy S4. None. They've complained that the Galaxy models are too hard to keep working. The strange thing about it, Cyanogen works for Samsung on their Android Team.
Question is, will that affect your decision to buy or not buy the Galaxy S4.
The only reason I picked up a Galaxy S3 is because it was CM10 supported. 2 hours after purchase, warranty was voided and CM was running on it. So no CM, no sale.
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Personally, I find the stock Samsung roms to be perfectly good. I've rooted my S3 and disabled a lot of the built-in Samsung apps, but apart from that, it's still running the latest official Samsung firmware. It does everything I want, so I see no reason to change for the sake of it. (In other areas/devices I'm an incorrigible modder, so this isn't just apathy, this is the 3rd party roms not being compelling enough to change).
If I still have my S3 in a year or so when Samsung have stopped releasing updates
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No, because CM for the Galaxy line has been okay at best for a while now. Once they started getting into 9 some funky stuff happened, such as Spirit FM or whatever the radio app is called you had to use since the stock FM app would't work in CM 9. Issue was, EVEN IF YOU WERE USING HEADPHONES ANY AND ALL TIMES THE FM RADIO APP WAS IN USE, your external speaker could (and fairly often like mine DID) die. At first it sounded like it was blown, and then less than two days later it quit working at all.
There was
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Reading that link, they talk about not wanting to deal with Exynos. In the USA, however, we're going to get the Qualcomm Krait version. Qualcomm has been much better with releasing usable sources than Samsung. And Cyanogen works for Samsung USA, so it would seem to me that getting an SGS4 is a safe bet in the USA if you want Cyanogenmod.
Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:5, Informative)
CyanogenMod is posting across social networks that this is just the opinion of some of the devs, but is not the stance of project.
Found on G+ just now:
Re:Cyanogenmod not on Galaxy S4 (Score:5, Informative)
Not entirely true.
There are two major variants of the Galaxy S4 - Qualcomm and Exynos based. Similarly there are two major subvariants of the GS3 - again, Qualcomm vs. Exynos.
The Qualcomm-based GS3s were very well supported thanks to Qualcomm having excellent reference source at CodeAurora.
The Qualcomm-based GS4s will probably be OK because many of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainers aren't as pissed off at Samsung as the Exynos guys (including myself) are.
The four primary Exynos4 maintainers (myself, Daniel Hillenbrand, Guillaume Lesniak, and Espen Fjallvar Olson - I may have missppelled thos slightly as we usually just go by IRC nicks) have all decided that we won't be touching any further Samsungs. We're all working with Nexus or Sony devices now. (Sony has done a MAJOR turnaround in terms of opensource support over the past year, or at least the Mobile division has.)
This probably has little impact on the Qualcomm-based GS4s, but right now, the Exynos-based GS4s are without any prospective maintainers.
Will a new maintainer step up? Possibly. Will they succeed without just saying "fuck this shit" and selling the phone for a different one? I personlly don't think so.
It's a volunteer project so nothing is ever a surefire given, and collective decisions are rarely made - so far, they have only been made in regards to outdated hardware and newer versions of Android. (Such as Snapdragon S1-based phones ending at CM7).
That said, if you look at the attitudes of developers, you can "get a feel" for how likely a phone is going to be well supported by CM.
DISCLAIMER: THE BELOW IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND NOT IN ANY WAY AN OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE PROJECT:
Will the Qualcomm-based GS4s receive maintainer attention and continued support including M and stable builds? I'd be surprised if they didn't.
Will the Exynos-based GS4s receive maintainer attention and M/stable CM builds? I'd be very surprised if they do.
2013 phone is faster than 2012 phone (Score:3)
holy crap
is there any software that actually takes advantage of this? there are only a few games that take advantage of the iphone 5's graphical power
not like most people are going to dump their S3 or iphone 5 and run out to buy the S4 just because it gets better numbers
i know someone who is going to buy the Galaxy S3 this week if he gets if for $99 on T-Mobile. he doesn't need the S4's power and price
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remember the screen has a much higher number of pixels, demanding a lot more computation (granted, in graphics, but still relevant for SoC)
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http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/7/3848380/hawken-project-shield-exclusive-tegra-4 [polygon.com]
Mind you, the above link is for Hawken on a Tegra 4, which this isn't using, but the point is that developers are working on bringing console-level titles to phones.
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So you weren't asking an honest question, you were just trolling.
You discount the performance increase from the S3 to the S4 as a useless jump in numbers, but are quick to point out that you assume iOS will have a better increase in numbers in their next device.
However, I'll give a real response in case anyone is still reading.
iOS devices have often had better GPUs than many Android devices, and they have more games in their app store. An iPhone/iPad at the same price as an Android device can be seen as a b
Does that mean... (Score:5, Funny)
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this is as bad as nvidia's hype (Score:2)
at least the S4 is going on sale next month
for the next 6 months i have to read how the Tegra 4 is the most awesomenest mobile chip even though there aren't any products on sale that have it. but all i have to do is keep waiting and not buy anything else
oh that's right (Score:5, Insightful)
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I don't think apps are written for the slowest device. My experience with Apple IOS and devices of mixed age is that over time the apps seem to target faster and faster CPUs, either by doing more things or adding new features.
Every so often I grab an old iPhone 4 we use for a home phone and try to use Instacast and it about locks up updating 4-5 podcasts, yet it's like glass on my iPhone 5.
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One of the benefits of Apple's walled garden approach (yes, we all know the perils of walled gardens, I love rooting and installing CM, too)
Apple currently has less than a dozen total devices still supported. That's combined between all phones, pads and pod-touches (not counting pod-shuffles - they don't get apps.) On those, only 2 or 3 potential OSes are supported, with the current OS installed on over 60% of applicable hardware.
This makes it very easy for app developers to optimize apps for the majorit
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Wow, now it's fast enough to run Crysis 3! Oh wait...that's right, it's a phone. Apps are written for the slowest Android devices for the biggest marketability so that speed means nothing and does nothing but waste battery life. Maybe it can process photos faster with a built-in app or something faster but who cares? Most people run 3rd party apps the vast majority of the time. I would much, much, much rather see a doubling of the battery life than a doubling of the processor speed.
Samsung claims the SIV has best-of-breed voice control. What they demoed looked very impressive, even though it might have been staged (indeed, it happened on a stage :D ).
Regardless of whether the SIV demo was staged or not, the fact remains that good voice recognition requires a lot of processing power. Bear in mind that the voice recognition process must run in parallel to whatever app is being controlled, so more cores can come in handy.
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Speed does mean something. My 2 year old Nexus S has frequent delays of 5-10 seconds. It seems slower than when I bought it, but I can't see any reason why Google would make their OS slower, so I have no idea why it's like that. If there is a delay of order 100 ms, it may be caused by frequency scaling and other power saving features, but multiple second delays would definitely be fixed by a faster CPU. There is also RAM, though. Hard to tell if it's swapping or running at full speed when it's all solid st
Let's shoot for desktop replacement, Samsung (Score:2, Interesting)
As long as we're going down the road of matching cores and RAM to that of nearly current desktop specs, why not nail down some standards for connecting peripherals? And no, I don't mean shitty proprietary bluetooth/wi-fi protocols. I mean a standard mini-usb dock with VGA, HDMI, DVI output and a few USB ports for a keyboard and rat. Something that can be implemented by the entire range of Android devices whether it's HTC, or Samsung, or Motorola. Otherwise, I see no point in phone with 4 damn cores and 3-4
Already available! (Score:2)
You can get a dock for the Note that is compatible with the S3. It has a HDMI port and several USB ports. There are only two downsides: It costs around $80 to $100, and it doesn't necessarily work with USB ethernet.
Oh, and with the S3, you can get a simple USB OTG cable to hook up a keyboard and mouse (using a hub). It also works with USB hard drives. When I connected my USB ethernet adapter, it fried the phone. Instant death. They replaced it under warranty, but something is very wrong with the desi
Twice the cores (Score:2)
Given that the S4 has twice the cores of the iPhone5, this seems reasonable, if not a bit disappointing. I'd be curious to see some real-world benchmarks to see how actual apps fare, as they typically won't be making use of all 4 cores. For instance, while the S3 international flavor scores higher than the iPhone5 on this chart, there were many real world tests that the iPhone5 easily won.
I'll be anxious to see real world tests and see how well the S4 is making use of all of the available cores.
What about battery? (Score:2)
Latency (Score:2)
News just out today ... (Score:2)
In shock news, it was revealed the new Samsung Galaxy S 4 phone is actually faster then the previous generation Galaxy S III.
Glad they cleared that one up. :-)
Bob.
I just want it for the IR transmitter (Score:2)
The only feature that I really want in the S4 is the IR transmitter. There's nothing like having a remote control for all the TVs in the restaurant, primarily for using the off button.
In other news... (Score:2)
My 15 months old iPhone 4S continues to be good enough. I'm not interested in the new Samsung, the new iPhone or the new anything.
Maybe after two more hardware refreshes...
Re:But not the Z10? (Score:5, Informative)
You mean like they did, right in the article? It comes up just shy of iPhone 5.
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This raises an interesting question: is there a suitable replacement for blackberry for the enterprise yet? None of the phones systems/solution I've seen have anything resembling the BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server) and encryption for email, etc. What will be the successor to BB in the enterprise?
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Ummm... Blackberry....
Seriously, all of the other vendors, with perhaps the exception of Microsoft, have been focused on home users, not the enterprise. So, I guess the answer should be Microsoft, but Blackberry still has the better enterprise solution.
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umm samsung and apple
BB might own the super secret enterprise market, but most of it is gone. apple and samsung are more than good enough for most corporate email
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Microsoft is sort of a funny one: their attempt to push Windows Mobile devices into Blackberry's market back in the day was largely a failure, and is totally dead now; but did manage to win 'Activesync' enough support among enterprise admins as the 'Hey guys! we are totally kinda, sorta, adequately endurable compared to BES!' alternative that devices from Apple and the droid crowd that support it were able to absolutely brutalize Blackberry in ways that Windows Mobile was never able to, and Windows Phone se
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I'm in finance (about as regulated for email as you get) and we use iphone, ipad, and android for work email now (as well as bb). So when I'm in country, I don't carry my bb anymore, just my personal as I can check the email via the Good app. I'd ditch the bb but I'm on international business often enough and if I do, my company won't pick up the tab for my calls and roaming data while on business.
Blackberry's been dead a while. (Score:2)
BES was always a half-assed and expensive solution to the regulatory problems US corporations have with email.
End-users send HIPAA/HITECH/SOX/GLB/FDA-regulated material with their phones (for legitimate reasons o
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YOU host the damned server, and YOU control the encryption keys. ALL traffic to the device is encrypted on YOUR side. RIM cannot see into these and does NOT have access to these keys.
Uhhh, unless I'm mistaken, he didn't say otherwise. He does actually mention that the big boys bought their own BES servers, keeping sensitive emails under their own control.
I think you need to take the time to read a user's comment more carefully before jumping down their throat.
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The real question i'd like answered is for someone to benchmark the GS4 Snapdragon version VS the GS4 Exynos 5 version. If the Exynos version benchmarks higher, I may have to fly out to Europe and pick one up.
Why would you spend considerable money and fly thousands of miles (I'm assuming you're in the USA) to pick up a phone that's faster in synthetic CPU benchmarks but may not be fully compatible with next generation 4G networks here in the USA? What do you do with your phone that requires the fastest possible CPU? And what do you do every 6 months when a faster phone comes out?
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Sprint is saying Q2 for release and hasn't specified anything about pricing.
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how exactly would you know S4 has a clunky, slow laggy interface? It's not out yet, and the only people who were allowed to test it so far have been credentialed journalists at the event.
And I highly doubt you were one of those, seeing as how you're AC posting on slashdot.
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