RIM Unveils BlackBerry 10, Its Big Turnaround Hope 267
Nerval's Lobster writes "Research In Motion has whipped the curtain back from BlackBerry 10. The revamped operating system is widely perceived as RIM's best chance at staying relevant in a smartphone market dominated by Google Android and Apple's iOS. Once a significant player in mobility, RIM watched its earnings and market-share crumble over the past few years. BlackBerry 10 abandons the longtime BlackBerry user interface, centered on grids of icons, in favor of one built on the same QNX technology that powers RIM's PlayBook tablet. The BlackBerry 10 home-screen offers 'live tiles' that dynamically refresh with updated information, and RIM is playing up how users can move between apps and alerts by swiping and flicking the screen. Other features include BlackBerry Balance, which divides the 'personal' and 'corporate' sides of the phone, as well as an updated BlackBerry Messenger. More details in the article."
RIM also announced they are rebranding themselves as BlackBerry. If you like pictures, omfglearntoplay sent in an article that delivers. Gimmicks of the launch include hiring Alicia Keys as their "Global Creative Director."
Preloaded software (Score:4, Funny)
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They should have called the new OS "Blackberry 3000AD", imo
WTF is the point of BB Balance? (Score:2)
i use my personal iphone for work and i seem to manage fine. i have my work email coming in, i have the gmail app on it. i have corporate VPN.
and no need of some crazy dividing line
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Using the corporate tie in allows the corp to push apps and settings to the phone and wipe them upon termination. If I set my iphone up to pop my corp mail, its on my phone and they can't do anything about it when I quit. With the BB they can nuke the corp data from orbit. Still don't want them in my enterprise though. All of the pointed headed people asking what happened to their email and messaging the next time they have a 4 day world wide outage.
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If I print my corporate email, it's on paper, and they can't do anything about it when I quit. Or export the data. Or photograph the screen.
You don't want to hand everybody the keys to the kingdom, but I feel like all the emphasis on securing smartphones is a bit like installing steel security doors when you've got loads of single-pane windows everywhere. The security chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and it's usually not hard to find a much bigger security deficiency that's worth targeting befor
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a few minutes before you get fired, your device is remotely wiped... good buy personal contacts, apps and data.
Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I've had a BlackBerry since 2005 and I don't recall any 4-day outages. In fact, on the 2 or 3 occasions that it was out for a day or so I was only down for an hour or two, and if you read their press releases this makes sense as the outages rarely affect everyone. Similar things have happened with Apple, as I recall.
I'm curious as to what you referring to. Apple (and Android mfg's) sells the hardware and doesn't provide the telecom service so I have no idea what kind of "outage" Apple could be responsible for like RIM is famous for.
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From the unlinked article (emphasis mine):
"BlackBerry subscribers in the Americas may be experiencing intermittent service delays this morning..."
Also not clear is whether BIS or BES customers were affected. I'm a BIS customer, and I'm pretty sure my wireless Internet access comes from AT&T, not BlackBerry. Can't say the same for BES customers. I can also say that my phone will connect to the Internet through WiFi not only without a BlackBerry subscription, but even without a SIM card.
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Incorrect. If you add your corporate Exchange account to your iphone, you are giving your Exchange admins the ability to wipe your device. I know this because the it happened to a friend of mine - the IT function at her company apparently had a spazz attack and remote wiped ALL the phones.
iOS remote wipe from exchange [microsoft.com]
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It's a feature users were asking for. It's not because you don't see value in it that there isn't value.
The feature protects your personnal data from you're work and vice versa. It "APPEARS" to cover the issue of mobile device security in work places where intellectual property is mission critical to protect. That just being a general overview. You can get more details on their web site.
Re:WTF is the point of BB Balance? (Score:4, Informative)
If your company is involved in litigation and you have work email coming in to your personal device, then under FRCP (if in the US) your personal phone could be imaged and examined for relevant documents. With balance their is a complete separation of work and home.
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You may think it's fine but I bet your corporate security group has other feelings on the matter.
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If you get an IT job that requires a security clearance, it's very likely that you will have to deal with that "crazy dividing line." Corporate IT Security likes to be able to have full control over a device and its data when little things like national security are involved. One of the most reliable and less-intrusive ways to accomplish this is with some type of "personas" system, which has been successfully implemented by several different packages for many years.
This is also why I carry two phones, but by my own choice. I could use my corporate phone for everything, but I'd rather keep my personal life and my work life as separate as possible. Two separate phone numbers, two separate email accounts/clients, etc etc etc... Also, the mental separation is huge. When I go on vacation, I leave my corporate phone on my desk.
Definitely a game changer (Score:3, Informative)
Their stock price says it all.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
Waaayyy to early to tell (Score:4, Insightful)
Their stock price says it all.
No it really doesn't. Their stock price is not based off of any fundamentals, merely opinion and short term speculation. Their competitive position has not changed and it remains unclear if consumers will buy their latest products in sufficient volume.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
So did SCO when they announced their lawsuit against IBM. Their stock price jumped and then steadily dropped as people realized they were doomed. Stock prices do not in the short term reflect objective facts about a company, merely opinion. If their stock continues to grow for the next 3 years then and only then will you have a valid argument.
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Their stock price says it all.
Last september/october it was around $6-$7 a share, now it is more than doubled.
Based purely on "press," not on the product. The stock market became a game of stealing every penny that you can from the small investor, and not about anything in the realm of reality quite a while ago. Think of professional poker players. No different.
Balance (Score:2)
I am interested to see the Balance feature both from a user experience and technical perspective. Currently both the major platforms Droid and IOS simply do not really offer the features Enterprise security needs even when paired with an MDM solution; of if they do they do so in a way that will not be acceptable to end users in a BYOD environment.
We have been promised Droid VMs for two years now and seen nadda. The idea being you'd have a personal phone environment and a business phone environment. One
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Yes I have evaluated Good and have some experience with it. Its certainly best of breed. No matter what other players like Zenprise, McAfee, pay Gartner to stick them in the same quadrant they just don't stack up.
Anyone looking for MDM solutions I strongly encourage you to eval Good and at least one of the others. Don't just compare feature charts, actually get both on a few different handhelds and run thru the situations. Lost device, employee exit, etc. I expect you will find Good to be a notch above
Price (Score:3)
$359 Nexus 4 vs $650 Q10 for me as a consumer.. the Nexus wins out for sure. Then I can buy the next Nexus as soon as it comes out and hop to the next cheapest carrier at that time.
I didn't read anything about it being locked, but I assume it's carrier locked (that's the norm in Canada). That's BS for travelling. Maybe big corps don't mind paying roaming fees, but I tend to grab a cheap sim card any time I cross the boarder and save myself hundreds in roaming and data fees.
Admittedly I'm not the target market, but at this point I'd think it'd be best for BB to appeal to as broad a market as possible. If they could profit at $350/phone then they should saturate the market, rather than pricing high now, then dropping the price like the Playbook. Nothing makes your product look more unappealing than staging it as a premium product then dropping the price because it doesn't live up to the premium status.
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My point was that they can't afford to just target business anymore. People are happily plugging away on whatever they have now. Th
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My observation is that the manager will get an iPhone.
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Admittedly I'm not the target market, but at this point I'd think it'd be best for BB to appeal to as broad a market as possible. If they could profit at $350/phone then they should saturate the market, rather than pricing high now, then dropping the price like the Playbook. Nothing makes your product look more unappealing than staging it as a premium product then dropping the price because it doesn't live up to the premium status.
They tried that already. Their entry-level devices broke down early (hardware and/or software issues, e.g. BB Storm), damaging their reputation for quality and reliability.
Unlike the big Android manufacturers, BB (the company) doesn't have many other products to fall back on. Their BB Curve line is about $300 without contract from Rogers, and their margins on it are probably very thin. Even at $0 on contract, it did a poor job saturating the market.
Carriers also started discounting the Galaxy SIII soon afte
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What I liked about BB (Score:3, Interesting)
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As long as the battery lasts through the day, I have no problem plugging it in overnight.
Hell, you might as well just go back to the Palm Vx, which could go a month of constant daily use between charges. Or the Palm IIIs and what not, which just took AA batteries.
Observations on BB10... (Score:5, Informative)
The BB unveiling was streamed live on CNBC and I watched it. Some observations...
1) The CEO - Thorsten Heins - has absolutely zero charisma. I understand that English probably isn't his first language but he didn't look very comfortable during the presentation. Yeah, we're there to see the phone but getting someone with some presentation skills would have helped.
2) All that aside, they have done a very nice job on the phone. True multitasking. Personal and Business sandboxes. Full encryption. Nice screen. BBM now has a video client similar to Skype.
3) BBM video - was it just me or was the audio not working for the guy in London? The video looked fine but I don't recall hearing him say anything.
4) Apps - I'm tired of hearing about "apps" all time time. Look - no matter what phone you get you're going to have access to more apps than you can shake a stick at. Everyone (Apple, Android, Microsoft, Blackberry) has a collection of about 50 apps that most people want or need. The rest of it is a combination of copies of those 50, niche products, and utter shit. Everyone has Angry Birds, Skype, WhatsApp, Evernote, Dropbox, etc. Just get the phone you like and don't worry about the apps.
5) Good move releasing a phone with and without a physical keyboard. Having had a BB in the past I have to admit that having a physical keyboard is a nice feature. If you don't type on it that much you probably don't need it.
6) I think they said it was going to cost $149. That undercuts Apple and Samsung by $50.
7) No mention of memory, storage, processor, camera specs, etc. I think that was a mistake. That kind of stuff is important to a lot of people (well, me anyway). It would be nice to know if it has an SD card. How does it stack up against the iPhone or Galaxy 3? If they want people to switch they have to show why the BB is a better phone.
Overall it looks like a great phone and I hope they do well with it.
Re:Observations on BB10... (Score:4, Interesting)
It looks like the BB 10 specs are the same or better than the iPhone 5 at least. It only comes with 16GB storage, but upgradable with a card. Faster processors on BB 10 and a few more pixels on the screen (if you get the big one) and better resolution.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/specs-blackberry-10-models-stack-18357208 [go.com]
BB Z10 (big touch screen version):
Display: 4.2-inch (diagonal) with a resolution of 1280 by 768 pixels (356 pixels per inch)
iPhone 5:
Display: 4-inch (diagonal) with a resolution of 1136 by 640 pixels (326 pixels per inch).
Weird, I don't see the processor specs on that page, but I checked them at another site a week or two ago.
More on these pages:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/blackberry-z10-vs-iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3/ [digitaltrends.com]
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/iphone-5-benchmark-lightning,3312-3.html [tomshardware.com]
Says that iPhone 5 is dual core 1.29 GHz, while the BB 10 is dual core 1.5 GHz.
My biggest thing is the CAMERA! Not the specs so much, but the software. You take one picture, it gives you a couple of seconds to scroll through and pick the best picture during that time... so no more blinks and yawns in my damn pictures. THANK YOU!
Canadian news (Score:2)
Full disclosure: I'm a BB user.
When a product gets this much hype, the expectations outpace the market. We need to really sit back for a bit and see how it all shakes out.
My personal attitude is: hopeful - hopeful that it 'takes'. I would not, as yet, put myself into the category of optimistic.
It's going to be very interesting to see what BB does to carve out ma
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Not only that, but it means us developers will no longer be getting RIM-jobs ... at least not the kind that pay us.
("X" post anonymously!)
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Now you can have b-jobs.
Re:Very nice.. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
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The funny thing is, Apple actually implemented multitouch app switching way back in iOS 4.3, but they haven't enabled it on the iPhone—presumably because smartphone screens are a bit small for their 3+ finger gestures.
You can use Activator (available on Cydia) to enable it, though you'll have to wait for the new jailbreak coming out in a few days. Speaking of jailbreaking, if you like BB10's app previews you could give Auxo or other app switcher replacements/enhancements a try as well.
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I haven't played with a BB10, but this is exactly how Palm WebOS behaves and it is, indeed, fantastic. Fat lot of good it did them when few developers would write apps for the platform.
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I've never been a BB fan (never owned one) but I was given an iPhone and a BB10 beta to play with. The BB10 feels way better, and I mean waaaay better. With the iPhone it feels like you spend most of the time clicking on the menu button moving to another app. On the BB10 you swipe left or up and as if by magic all your other app(s) are there, still running.
To be fair, the iPad has had those same multi-finger gestures for quite some time. For some reason, though, the iPhone never got that feature.
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To be fair, any decent app is going to be available to both iOS and Android, and probably Blackberry eventually.
There's a large amount of garbage in both app stores, certainly there are more trash apps on Android, but there are plenty on both.
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Making an app available on Android generally doesn't double the revenue they were making on iOS. There have been a number of iPhone apps that have ported to Android and found that their support costs go up but they don't make nearly as much revenue. There are certainly exceptions but they tend to be big apps that can get a lots of views of ads, like Angry Birds.
Porting from iOS to Android is far from trivial. Plus Android users will post bad reviews for apps that look too much like iOS. So you have to redo
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iOS users will complain if you leave your ported android app looking like an android app.
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Right, so either way it's a lot more work than most people realize to "just port" an app between platforms. Except maybe Android -> BB10 or it's primarily a web app or using a common game engine.
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As they (both sides) should. The Google Maps app's UI for example is a jarring change from many other iOS apps. Call it superfluous eye candy to have rounded ends on a text box instead of plain right angled corners, or smoothly shaded tabs for different functions, but visually the current GMaps, while perfectly functional and I use it a fair bit, just doesn't look right when run in iOS.
A different example: Apple was rightly criticized for basically porting the Mac's text rendering engine and some of the Mac
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So who are you discussing that with? heh heh.
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I had a blackberry before my Galaxy S2.
It did everything I needed just fine, I moved on to get the larger screen and a better web browser, not because of any shortage of apps.
As far as demanding uncompressed images from a cell phone camera, that's laughable. The camera quality, while improving is so bad that there really is little benefit to RAW. If you want RAW, get a real camera.
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Err, no
less glass = better picture.
that's why a prime lens (fixed focal distance) gives much better images than a zoom lens.
more glass = more tiny imperfections that amplify in the light's path.
of course, the convenience of zooms usually outweighs any gains in image quality (usually. not always.)
you miss the point....he means larger diameter (Score:5, Informative)
"more glass" means a wider front lens with the ability to capture more light.
I have an 85mm F1.4 lens originally designed for 35mm. The front element is 72mm across. No matter how good the lens is on a phone (and some are *very* good) it won't be able to gather as much light as this lens.
You do not always want "as much aperture" (Score:2)
When shopping for a new lens, you want as much aperture as you can afford
That is not true, it depends on the style of shooting.
For portraits or low light work having a really wide aperture is nice. You get a very narrow DOF, or the ability to shoot in really low light while keeping shutter speeds up.
But the tradeoff is color fringing. I have an 85mm f/1.4, and a 70mm f/2.8 - for any kind of landscape work I will use the 70mm every time. It simply has far less CA, and the ability to shoot macro (something
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Why are you using a tele for landscape? I generally use my 24mm 2.8 (ancient manual Sigma) for landscape, and I've had my eye on a 15mm prime for a bit too. For landscape you want wide (or ultra wide), for models you want tele, for street shooting you want "normal" (40-50mm, though I prefer 24-28mm for this too).
Fringing depends on the lens, not how large the aperture is. Worst case, you have to stop the 1.4 down to 2.8, to clean up the picture and regulate CA, and generally a fast lens hits the sweat-sp
Not just the glass (Score:3)
Most phones have a very small sensor, while digital SLRs have much larger ones. All else being equal, a larger sensor can sense more light with less noise. Yes, you're not going to fit the 40mm sensor of an SLR into a camera where it's usually around 3mm.
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There is still a big gulf between the quality of smartphone cameras and professional cameras, but it doesn't always matter. Instagram and Facebook are both pretty lo-fi anyway. Once you view the images at 1920x1080 or try to print then A4 size you quickly notice the limitations though. For that a compact Micro 4/3 camera is ideal.
Yeah I was using m4/3 fifteen years ago... (Score:2)
...I liked it better when it was called Advantix.
It too had smaller cameras, smaller lenses. It had backing by a number of prominent companies.
But in the end, it was overtaken by smaller (digital) cameras because the body was not really small enough that you have it with you all the time.
Convenience will win a large majority of the time. And the most convenient camera by far is in a smartphone today.
Because m4/3 has such a small sensor size it will be sqeezed from below by smartphones being more convenien
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You can get m4/3 cameras with full size DSLR sensors. Sony and Panasonic both make them, not sure about other manufacturers.
No, by definition you cannot have different sizes (Score:2)
You can get m4/3 cameras with full size DSLR sensors
The very DEFINITION [wikipedia.org] of m 4/3 is that the sensor is 4/3 of an inch (22.5 mm diagonal).
No more, no less.
Why do you think the lenses are smaller? It's partly because they only have to cast an image onto an area smaller than 35mm film, as traditional SLR's do.
When I say full size I mean 35mm, not 22.5mm... also known as full-frame. Any m4/3 lens will not be able to fill a full-frame sensor. 4/3 is a full 2.0 crop factor from 35mm cameras.
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Have you used a pro, or even semi-pro camera lately?
Image quality is more than just megapixels.
Try the Sony Xperia Arc phone (Score:2)
Try the Sony Android phones.
I have the Xperia Arc, and its picture quality is amazing for a phone, or even a mid range point and shoot camera.
Despite the usual small lens and limited software from the camera application itself, the lens and the sensor are far superior to most phones.
About the only thing I miss is a proper optical zoom on it. If it had that, I would not be using my Canon SX20 IS camera.
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Who is using their camera on the phone to do such high quality photos? The lens on phone cameras alone make uncompressed images worthless.
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What, because it won't have a level application that doesn't work? Who gives a damn. How many apps do you need anyway??
iPhone is overated. This coming from the owner of an iPhone. The only reason I purchased an iPhone is that there was no good carrier support for Android, BB didn't appeal to me and MS didn't know what they were doing yet.
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The win8 phones that I've seen are terrible. They are buggy, have weird behaviour, and a ghost town of an app store.
You must have seen some Windows Phone 8 devices that are very different from mine.
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Re:Dominated by whom? (Score:4, Insightful)
technically HP, Dell and others sell a lot more computers than Apple. but the Mac business makes more PROFITS than everyone's PC business combined
market share is useless if you lose money on it
same with Android. only samsung is making any money. Moto, HTC and others are losing money or barely breaking even.
Re:Dominated by whom? (Score:4, Funny)
This is like debating McDonalds vs Burger King in a story about a taco stand on main street that served 5 customers yesterday at lunch time. I think the three blackberry users still left are going to get annoyed at you guys for going off topic.
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You mean like Amazon?
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Amazon runs razor-thin profit margins to stop new entrants competing with them. They went for long-term market share as opposed to profit.
In the long run (Score:5, Insightful)
market share is useless if you lose money on it
You forgot to add "... in the long run". Market share without profits can be very useful if the purpose is to drive other companies out of the market over a relatively short time period. Ask Amazon. However if a company is competing solely on price but cannot drive others out of the industry (think airline industry) then competition will drive most/all of the profits out of the industry. Apple doesn't compete primarily on price whereas Windows PC makers primarily do. If Apple were to dump OS X and sell Windows on their computers instead, their profit margins would evaporate faster than you could say "shareholder lawsuit". Same if they dumped iOS for Android.
RIM knows this and that is why they aren't going to Android. If they do there is nothing to make them stand out from Samsung, HTC and the rest and their profit margins are very likely to disappear.
Re:Dominated by whom? (Score:4, Informative)
same with Android. only samsung is making any money.
Will this fucking lie ever die, or does it have to be KILLED WITH FIRE?
Source: LG Electronics 4th Quarter 2012 report [ft.com]
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Except: that's not killing it. Your quote talks about LG's operating profit, and their smartphone sales, but not drawing a direct link between the two. That's like taking Sony's overall profit numbers and saying the Playstation 3 has been a money winner for them.
Need a few more dots between those points....
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LG credited demand for smartphones that run on faster "LTE" networks, which are taking off in South Korea, Japan and the United States. It sold 14.4 million mobile phones during the three months, with smartphone sales accounting for half of the volume. More than 70 percent of its mobile revenue came from smartphone sales.
There you go fanboi. If you were to google you could find all of the information you needed, instead of brow beating someone. http://news.yahoo.com/lg-electronics-post-profit-smartphone-sales-043621356.html [yahoo.com]
Look at that the darn URL even tells you you're wrong.
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Apple is a dominant player in the mobile OS and device market. There are many metrics by which to define "dominant", and Apple and their products excel at most of them. The only one where they are reasonably behind Android on is total unit market share, and even on that, their weakest metric, Apple is the #2 player, and a major one at that.
To say the OS isn't popular is to hide your head in the sand while shouting "total unit market share is the only thing that matters" over and over.
Google has a lead in th
Re:should have kept the keys (Score:4, Informative)
They showed a keyboard version. They just haven't announced launch dates for it yet.
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I agree, a slide-out keyboard would've been really nice. Even tweaking the size / form factor of the keyboard models would've been nice. It's hard to believe the keyboard one is a new device, especially next to the Z10. I don't want BB to start having dozens of models again though.
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I thought I heard the presenter telling people not to even look at the new Blackberry about which he was speaking.
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There is BB10 BES.
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If all you used BES for was to get mail on devices (Score:3)
you were doing it wrong. BES isn't about mail/calendar as much as about policies, including custom policies for apps.
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Well, don't you think you're so smart telling me I was doing it wrong. Of course we used custom policies. We pushed all kinds of crap over the years, including in-house apps. Because, ya know, it's a lot of fun to know how many people have been out skiing all day or what the f&b yield was. Even disabled a few devices over the years. I will never, ever miss BES.
Now we've switched to a BYOD policy for about 75% of our employees. On the expense side, we're really saving a lot of money and employees a
Corps can load anything on an iOS device (Score:2)
Or they could run iPhone/IOS and you'd be at Apple's mercy as far as which of apps are loaded onto your device.
Enterprise apps do not go through Apple at all, they can do anything a company wants.
I've never used BES, but it's nice for businesses to at least have an option to control what does and doesn't happen on their phones.
iOS also offers a huge range of options for corporations to affect what happens on devices with custom profiles.
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You're right, competition and fresh perspectives are what we need.
Even if BB10 isn't a huge success, you can bet the Android and iOS teams will pore over it for clever ideas that could be adapted to their own platforms.
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The better mouse-trap (Score:3)
The whole point of capitalism is that you have multiple companies competing to serve the customer. And you want less of that? A nice monopoly maybe?
In any case, I suggest you have a good look at the underlying OS, and at the developer tools (Ripple for example, is the W3C's recommended tool for testing web apps, not just BB10 web apps). There is a lot going on under the hood that makes BB10 useful.
From the tests done (and in my experience) the Z10 has the most standards-compliant HTML 5 mobile browser,
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Re:RIMfail (Score:4, Insightful)
The world doesn't wait for or revolve around the USA. If the UK carriers can launch tomorrow and Canadian carriers can launch in just a few days then there is no one to blame but the US carriers themselves.
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Actual dates will probably be set by carriers who will probably get most of the initial shipments.
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If you really read the news you should have seen that a version with a keyboard was also announced, It will be released shortly after the all touch version.
Also Blackberry always had a varied range of models available in different price points, one would expect this to continue meaning there should eventually be more models in higher and lower price points. The BB10 OS is based on QNX as has been reported elsewhere. This is a secure OS used in mission critical applications in the automobile industry, cons
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Yay. Two completely different contexts/mailboxes/contacts/calendars, all in one phone! Just wait a few seconds to switch between each.
I'm sure that won't be annoying.