Bug Sends Lost-Phone Seekers To Same Wrong Address 298
netbuzz writes "A mysterious GPS-tracking glitch has brought a parade of lost-phone seekers — and police officers — to the front door of a single beleaguered homeowner in Las Vegas. Each of the unexpected visitors – Sprint customers all — has arrived absolutely convinced that the man has their phone. Not so, police confirm. The same thing happened in New Orleans in 2011 and Sprint got sued. Says the Las Vegas man: 'It's very difficult to say, 'I don't have your phone,' in any other way other than, 'I don't have your phone.''"
Would a yard-sign help? (Score:4, Insightful)
For a sign to be effective... (Score:3, Insightful)
you would have to read it. I guess your idea sucks because he has put up a sign already and you didn't read enough to know it. Bright, you are not.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, not very effective since they don't have their phone.
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According to TFA there is now a sign on his house to that effect.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:5, Funny)
According to TFA there is now a sign on his house to that effect.
If I was stealing cell phones, I'd put that sign up too.
Ill Advised (Score:5, Insightful)
I would be ill advised for anyone tracking a phone to go to the address and accuse the occupants of having it.
There are many possible outcomes, most are less than optimal.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:5, Funny)
First, rage is taking over at this point. They're missing their precious shiny. And, as far as a computer's told them, you have it. Thus, what would normally be impotent rage is now focused rage: They now "know" that you've got their precious, precious shiny! Do you seriously expect them to stop and read a lowly yard sign as they advance on your home with crowbars and torches? Even worse if that yard sign is contradicting the word of an all-knowing, completely logical, infallible computer? A computer just like their missing pet shiny?
Second, as others have pointed out, they don't have their phones. They can't call Sprint.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:5, Funny)
Please call SPRINT at 1-800-xxx-xxxx
Telling people, who are looking for their lost phone, to call a number, might not be the most effective tactic. =)
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:4, Insightful)
Because we all know that everybody has access to exactly one phone in this world.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:4, Informative)
It's not a great picture, but he appears to have a sign next to his front door [lvrj.com] saying pretty much that.
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:5, Informative)
It's not a great picture, but
I found a better picture [abcnews.com].
Re:Would a yard-sign help? (Score:4, Funny)
"I'm sorry, but your cell phone is in another castle!"
i would sue (Score:5, Interesting)
it has been over a year and sprint can't fix the problem
a nice letter to their legal department may move things along
Re:i would sue (Score:5, Funny)
He could offer to move to a nicer house in a nicer part of town, and sell his house to Sprint. Better, he could offer to sell his house to AT&T and let them open a ATT Wireless store in his house - after being screwed by Sprint, perhaps their frustrated customers would be looking for a change.
Re:i would sue (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, too complicated.
He should start actually stealing phones.
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I'm guessing the reason why it tracks to his house is he's the closest resident to a tower, so if GPS nav fails, it picks the strongest tower?
So they've already got an unmanned facility across the street or whatever. Put a sign up there, put a manned store there, whatever.
Re:i would sue (Score:4, Interesting)
close
i read this somewhere else yesterday and its actually the fault of Clark County. Seems they made a mistake and gave the cell phone tower his address in their records.
still sprint's fault for not putting a some kind of fix in
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Wait, cell towers have nothing to do with GPS, other than supplying almanac data. This Almanac data helps the phone locate the satellites faster [wikipedia.org].
The only time the address of the cell tower would come into play is if the owner or the thief shut off the GPS.
End users can't get the location of their cell phone without installing some software ahead of time, Such as Lookout [lookout.com] or Find My IPhone [apple.com].
Further, If the owner turns their GPS off, or the thief turns it off, those apps would only be able to report a rough tr
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So if they had not made the mistake, and things were working the way they are supposed to, all these people looking for their lost/stolen cell phones would end up at a cell tower? Sounds like a great plan.
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Better is that Sprint buys him a brand new house where ever he chooses. It's their fault they OWE him at least that because they are not capable of fixing the problem
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As far as I can tell, the problem is the problem of educating your users. The position given is a triangulation starting point, with an error margin of hundreds of feet in all directions. It may very well be the best starting point they have, and thus correct for its purpose and not a bug.
What it isn't is a promise that the phone will be at that point, and I highly doubt that Sprint claims this either.
The last time I saw a cell phone locator, it listed a margin of error in yards, as well as a disclaimer t
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Sucks to be him (Score:5, Insightful)
While frustrating for him, from the outside looking in, it's kinda funny. No matter what he does to assert his innocence, it will appear as lies to the owner of the missing phone...
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny except that it's taking a lot of his time, it must be extremely stressful, the fact that people turn up at any time must be affecting his sleep, his mental state, and so on.
And that's before someone turning up possibly gets violent.
And their costs to get there. Why are they going? Because the police refuse to deal with stolen phone cases even where there is a GPS signal, so people go out on their own or with mates to reclaim their property.
Quite clearly this problem needs a solution very soon before something bad happens.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Informative)
The police doing their job seems to be the best solution. This seems pretty common though. A friend once reported a theft from a vehicle and the police were annoyed he made them fill out a report when he did not have insurance for this. They literally did not even want to collect basic information that could be used to monitor the number of crimes occurring much less attempt to catch the perpetrators.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Interesting)
Probably less want and more man power issue.
and the vast amount of 'stolen phones' are lost phones.
You see this same thing with wallets as well.
Interesting story: in 1989 there was a string of pickpockets in Reno. So the police started keeping certain areas under surveillance.
There were no pickpockets. There where people leaving the casino, literally through their wallet away and often injuring there face in some manner.
Upon questioning these people, it turned out they didn't want to tell their spouse they lost all their money in the casino.
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Sounds like a good area for pickpockets to target. People going to the casino with plenty of cash on them and a police force that will do it's best not to investigate their crimes.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:4, Funny)
You really think the Casinos would not put an end to pickpockets on their turf? They don't like competition from amateurs.
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You really think the Casinos would not put an end to pickpockets on their turf? They don't like competition from amateurs.
They don't do a thing unless you make a big stink and the thieves are stupid enough to get caught with the items on them. There are a bunch of threads on the city-data.com las vegas boards about how casino security is there only to stop people from stealing from the casino and how various people had stuff stolen with minimal response. Like casino security wouldn't even look at their ow
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Well, we do give law enforcement hell when crime doesn't improve... can't really fault them for following the incentive not to report. I'm not sure what the proper incentive structure should be, but I bet the smarty-smarts here could come up with something better. For instance, perhaps a commission that follows up on some percentage of 911 calls.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Interesting)
Once someone came into the parking lot where I work, smashed my window and took my gps unit. I didn't have insurance either. I was pretty impressed with the response from the police though. They even sent a detective to collect a blood sample where the guy cut himself when he broke the window. While we were at my car, they got a call from the police in the next town, about 5 miles away, and they had caught some guys going through another car in a Walmart parking lot and they had a bag full of GPS units.
I identified my unit at the police station, then they had to hold it for evidence.. for 3 and a half @#$&% YEARS!! Court systems sucks.. the cops were pretty cool though
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:4, Insightful)
Makes me question why they need the physical unit.
Inspect it, take photos, download storage. Document document document.
Then give the fucking thing back!
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...well, until some perp gets a competent lawyer (either during the trial or any of the appeals), who demands access to the thing for his own analysis on it. Fail to do that, and suddenly there's a reason for mistrial.
Unfortunately it can be a long time on evidence (Score:3)
Had the same kind of thing happen with a laptop at work. It got stolen from the guy's car. It had Computrace on it so we called them up and had it fired up. After a fair bit of time the police were ready and used the info to go and arrest the people (who of course had a bunch of stolen goods). They then had to hang on to the laptop for like 9 months as evidence even though it was a pretty clear and quick, by court standards, case.
Thing is not only does it take some time for the prosecution to get everything
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Interesting)
I went on a police ride-along once. Pretty fun job IMO, I would have done it if I didn't have eyesight issues. Anyways, some of the BS they have to put up with is just that: BS.
One incident we went to was some lady who had some Italian man profess his love to her, and they got engaged two days later. He couldn't afford a ring, so she bought the ring, an expensive one too. He says he needs to take it to a jeweler to do some sort of adjustment, and then disappears with it for good. She doesn't know his real name, only what he told her what it was, and a vague description of what he looks like. Not a whole lot of information to go after, but her and the rest of the public expect the police to actually be able to do something about it.
Another incident was an alarm on somebody's home security system. The officer told me that 99% of the time they are false alarms. Nonetheless, him and a few other officers had to go through the regular routine of pistols drawn, slicing the pie, and all of that jazz (since the owner wasn't home - also ever since columbine, regular cops now have to go through at least some SWAT training and engage a potential hostile situation accordingly, whereas before they would dispatch special officers to do that.) Huge waste of time, but it is obligatory anyways.
Resources are finite, and the police are constantly busy. They can't be arsed to take every little issue seriously. Some people wonder why the police will take a long time to show up at the scene of an accident when there is no injury involved, but will show up quickly if there is fighting or if somebody is injured. If it is an emergency, they'll drop something else they are doing (which is every bit as deserving of their attention) to handle the emergency instead.
Here's what I mean by that: Any one incident that the police officer has to deal with that requires any formal documentation requires about an hour worth of paperwork to do, even if the incident itself only lasted about a few minutes. Paperwork being figurative, because it is all done on a computer they have in their car; so you can imagine just how much stuff they have to write and detail. Take that false alarm for example. I used to think that a police car parked at the side of the road was just a cop watching for people speeding. Not so. That is typically a cop sitting there doing his paperwork. You could fly past at 60 and he wouldn't notice you.
I've been pulled over all of four times in my life, and all four times the officers had a perfectly valid reason to give me a ticket but didn't because they really didn't want to deal with the hassle of doing so.
One time I got pulled over for passing over three lanes while making a right turn when I got off work. The officer pulled me over because he thought I might have been robbing the store, until he saw me wearing the uniform (he had this "oh" look on his face when he saw that.) He asked me for my license and registration, and I didn't have my registration (another ticket there.) He told me not to worry about it and sent me on my way. Easily something the state could have made a $300 profit on, but he didn't want to bother. And it's pretty obvious why: when I pulled out, there was no traffic for miles, so it wasn't exactly an unsafe maneuver that he was prepared to split hairs over.
Another officer pulled me over for one of my headlights not working. Again, easy ticket, but chose not to write it up. I told him I was aware of it and was waiting for one of the headlights to arrive via mail (which was true.) He just wanted to make sure I was aware of it and that it was being dealt with.
I had an expired plate and was driving to get something to eat on new years evening. Cop pulled me over and asked where I was going. I gave him my license and registration, he said my plates were invalid (huge fine for that) but let me go because he was looking for drunk drivers, and didn't want to spend the time writing paperwork on me when he could have been looking for drunk drivers. He just told me to
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Insightful)
For a long time I had a deadbeat using my phone number while obtaining lines of credit. The collectors would start calling and asking for her, and there was nothing that I could say to them to convince them that I did not know her, she did not live at my house, had never lived at my house, etc. It looks like lies no matter what, and these arent people who are willing to actually follow the laws about harrasment. They bothered me enough that I was ready to hunt her down for them.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:4, Funny)
I had this problem when I first got my Google Voice number before. I ended up redirecting the number to the front office of the collection agency. After three months, I never got a call from them again.
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This is useful because of the way these kinds of bottom-feeder debt collection agencies work. They buy packages of debts from various companies for pennies on the dollar. The agency gets to keep any money they collect from these accounts. The cheapest past due acc
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Informative)
Whether you are the debtor or not, collection agencies are required, by law, to honor all C&D requests that are submitted to them, in writing. After they receive the C&D, they are permitted to contact you only once more, and the purpose of that communication is to advise you of their next course of action. If they do not respect the C&D, contact the FTC and your state Attorney General, and advise them that the collection agency has broken the law.
If the agency refuses to give the information necessary for you to send them a C&D in writing, then this falls under the same category as a caller who refuses to identify himself, and if such calls persist without such identification, then it qualifies as full-on telephone harassment. The police can be notified in this case.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Funny)
I set up a 9.99/minute premium phone line and give that out to my creditors. They soon stop harassing me.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Insightful)
That would be incorrect. See Section 806 of the FDCPA, 15 USC 1692d [ftc.gov], which begins "A debt collector may not engage in any conduct the natural consequence of which is to harass, oppress, or abuse any person in connection with the collection of a debt.". There's also a kicker in section 805(b), which prohibits a debt collection from communicating with any third party without the consumer's consent except for the specific purposes described in section 804 on locating the actual consumer. So yes, the FDCPA provides remedies and protections for people other than the consumer.
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Yep, but if they continue to call knowing that the debtor isn't there, they're in violation of various sections of the FDCPA. It's not usually hard to track the phone number back to a collections agency, they're not real good at hiding themselves. And once I know that, I respond to their question with "Is this $NAMEOFCOLLECTIONAGENCY?". That puts them in a bind and how they answer doesn't change the substance of my next statement, only it's phrasing: "The person XXXXX you are trying to contact does not live
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I finally had to forward my calls to a non-working number for a week. The "doo-doo-DOO you have reached a number that is not in service" message they got when they called convinced them I had changed my phone number and they couldn't call me anymore....
Nice! I am totally stealing that solution. Thanks!
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The laws that protect the debtor don't protect the debt collector, either. To quote Major League, "This is the outlet you've been looking for." You say say literally anything to them, and they can't do a damned thing about it without providing court-admissable evidence of their own crimes to the cops. So take your frustrations out on them. Call them names, question their intelligence, their parentage, question their species and what their mother mated with. Hell, tell them you're masturabting while you're t
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exactly. I even considered my own public shaming campaign, but then I would be breaking the laws by publicizing the debtors obligations, and they could sue me!
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Insightful)
That simply isn't true. Only the debtor can send a C&D under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act. But anybody can send a C&D for any reason to any one at any time. Anti-harassment laws have nothing to do ith FDCPA.
The difficulty is that debt collectors who call on the phone will always be out of state, and you have to sue them in their location, which means small claims it out. You'll have to hire a lawyer, pay thousands of bucks in legal fees you have no hope of recovering, and probably not be able to collect the actual judgement because most debt collectors have nothing to sieze anyway.
Better to just convince them they're wasting their time. Make it clear that a) you're not afraid of them, because you know how powerless they are, b) you're going to waste as much of their time as you possibly can, thus costing them money, and c) you're going to be the biggest abusive prick you can possibly be over the phone, because they can't do anything about it.
You might also start screening your calls with an answering machine that says "All calls will be recorded. By staying on the line to talk to a live person, you consent to being recorded." They hate court-admissible evidence.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously, angry people have no sense of imagination.
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The second had some asshat of a debt collection company. After trying to convince them I wasn't that guy, and the chick on the other end not transferring me to a supervisor, I finally told them the following: "Put up or shut up - take me to court - I fucking dare you to sue me." I never heard from them again.
I tried that once, and I was the person they were looking for. It worked then too. The cost of actually collecting it was more than the $500 they say I owed (I didn't, but hat doesn't matter to the collectors).
Lets say you buy a phone from AT&T (wasn't AT&T, or even a phone, but I'm changing it to protect the guilty). They have a clause that if you move to a location without service, that they'll waive the cancellation charge. You move and cancel. They try to collecct because they didn't read
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:5, Interesting)
No. Your wrong. The max you can get is controlled by the FTC. The max is quite small - like $500. Then Good Luck ever collecting that even after you "win".
This is assuming you can get them to 1. Identify themselves, 2. Give you a real address (not a PO box) so you can spend $50+ on a server to serve them after you file suit in small claims court. Most would hang up once I asked for them to identify themselves and give me a real address.
Then there are the larger companies that not only spoof the caller id but use a record-a-call wanting you to call back and give a incident number to. When you do that, the debt collector will claim they are no longer bound by the FDCPA ( Fair Debt Collection Practices Act) because THEY didn't call you, you called THEM.
I had the exact situation the OP had. I moved, got a new number and was then inundated with phone calls from collectors. Even telling them that this was my new number didn't really help. Debt Collection was a "growth industry" in the 90s. There are lists of deadbeats that are produced monthly that you can buy and start calling in your own "startup collection" business. So I was constantly getting new collection agencies calling me about the deadbeat.
The only way I got them to stop, was when I switch phone providers (I went from Cox to AT&T), I LISTED my number. Now my number was published and no longer appearing as the deadbeats number in the newest Deadbeat lists. The number of collection calls I received dramatically dropped. From getting 2-3 per week, I've got maybe 2 all last year.
Oh, I also filed a large number of complaints with the FTC - I'm sure this did nothing as I never heard 1 thing from the FTC about any of my complaints.
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a couple of times I called back the number they left on my voicemail. I did this if I had nothing to do that evening. I would try to find out who they were and what their address was so I could make things official, but they never would give any information that could give me any legal standing. I basically trolled them by wasting their time as I would let these calls go until they got sick of me and hung up, and then I would just call back. Didnt do anything to stop them, but it could eat into the small pr
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Yeah, I did that too. But the vast majority of the callers work from home- I even heard babies crying in the background a couple times.
Re:Sucks to be him (Score:4, Informative)
Certified mail to PO boxes is worthless and a waste of money. You can spend the money to do it, but the form is just deposited in the PO Box and they won't go to the window to actually get the certified mail.
None of the collection agencies that called me ever gave me a real address. Most hung up when I asked for one, others insisted that the PO box was all that was required by the FTC.
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While frustrating for him, from the outside looking in, it's kinda funny. No matter what he does to assert his innocence, it will appear as lies to the owner of the missing phone...
It's really funny until some nutter with a gun, a short temper and a generous interpretation of stand-your-ground rights comes looking for his stolen phone.
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It would depend on how sadistic he is. He might get off on seeing the look of frustration and despair in strangers eyes. He might get a power trip from knowing there really isn't anything that could be done- sort of like why some criminals return to the scene of a crime to watch the cleanup.
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Business Opportunity (Score:5, Funny)
Open an Apple store there. Sell iPhones. The people showing up are inevitably short a phone.
I'm surprised Apple hasn't patented this yet.
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I don't get it (Score:2)
Why are these people showing up at his door anyhow?
Isn't that the job of the police, and isn't vigilantism illegal even in Las Vegas?
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you think the police care?
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And, if the police don't care, people aren't likely to care that vigilantism is illegal.
Re:I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it vigilantism for me to knock on your door and peacefully ask if you have seen my phone?
To me it seems no different than when religious folks or girl scouts knock on my door. Well other than I don't have your phone, am not interested in your myths, and would like one box of thin mints and one box of samosas.
so lets see for you (Score:2)
Your sign should
1 have a pentacle (assumes you are not a JC type person)
2 state solicitors will be shot/eaten/sacrificed
3 request that 1 case of thin mints and 1 case of samosas be delivered (does the GSA have an EStore??)
Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Insightful)
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Is it vigilantism? No. But it is a horrible idea. You have no idea how crazy the person is.
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And it works both ways, too.
For the person going to the house: You don't know if this "phone thief" (whether or not they actually have your phone) is an elderly lady who wouldn't hurt a fly, or an escaped felon who enjoys torturing people who show up at his door before killing them.
For the person at the house: You don't know if this "my phone was stolen" person is going to politely ask, believe you, and then leave or get belligerent and whip out a gun demanding to know where his *@%!# phone is.
Besides, are
Re:I don't get it (Score:5, Informative)
Is it vigilantism for me to knock on your door and peacefully ask if you have seen my phone?
Read the original article [lvrj.com].
This is clearly not what is happening.
And even if you should ask politely and during polite hours, unlike the people this man has encountered, you would be taking the law into your own hands and accusing him of lying if you rang his doorbell over this despite the clear note he has put up outside his home.
Part of the problem is that people use technology they don't understand. Sprint isn't pointing out his home as the address where the phone is. It's a triangulation starting point, with an error margin of several hundred feet in all directions.
tl;dr: The real victim isn't the yobo who lost his phone.
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My guess is people show up initially to accuse him, then get the police involved later when he invariably professes in his innocence; at which time the Police hopefully backup his claim.
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My guess is people show up initially to accuse him, then get the police involved later when he invariably professes in his innocence; at which time the Police hopefully backup his claim.
Yes, but some people skip the police step entirely and will just assume the guy is lying and beat him up. Or worse. Or wait until he's not home and break in to steal their phone back (after all, it'll say that it's still there.)
It's not just a matter of having to explain to a lot of people -- it's a matter of a lot of people being absolutely convinced that you're lying and you've stolen from them -- the evidence is right there -- and it's a dangerous combination.
Assuming this is all correct, guy needs to
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They report the location of their phone to the police, get blown off, and conclude they';re on their own.
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There's nothing wrong with if if you're reasonable. But you know all those stories about people driving off roads because their GPS told them to? I don't think those people will believe the guy who says he doesn't have their phone when technology clearly says he does.
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The odds of someone who stole a phone lying is high. Of course, the odds of tech lying can be pretty high too, especially for Sprint phones or Apple Maps.
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thats called BEING A MAN
Women can do it too, you know, so maybe it needs a new name.
Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Insightful)
really? ignoring the sign he posted, then knocking on someone door at 3AM becasue your crappy software popped up his address is being a man?
And what other answer do you think you will get besides 'No, I don't have you phone' Do you think the thief will just hand it over?
What if a woman wants to do it, does that count as being a man?
How about: 'A civilized person goes to the house, and notes the sign then leaves?'
vigilantism is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority. So yes, it is vigilantism.
IN a civilized society, you accuse someone of a crime, and they defend there innocence. This man was constantly approached and forced to PROVE his innocence by vigilante
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#1 The sign is irrelevant and is not a legal barrier i have to cross.
#2 each individual that went there had no idea the others also went. If the same people went back more then once after being informed, THAT is harassment.
#3 Going to someone's house to ask them questions is perfectly legal and not 'law enforcement'. Liberty is all the legal authority i need to do such an act.
#4 The guy has not needed to prove a
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A better response (Score:5, Funny)
"These aren't the GPS coordinates you are looking for."
(Well, that's better than, say "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of people looking for lost phones")
Re:A better response (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:A better response (Score:5, Insightful)
All our guided-weaponry would bombard some random address, probably a good, wholesome family of 5.
Yeah as if that doesn't happen all the time already
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Isn't that more or less what is happening now?
New business plan! (Score:5, Funny)
I'd start stealing phones. How would Sprint know the difference?
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Or, better yet, someone else could steal them and start using this guy's crawl space as a holding area, without his knowledge.
Good for GPS (Score:2)
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And this is what happens when you don't know how to design a working GPS
I don't think it's a problem with GPS itself, I think the problem is that the stolen phones are not able to use GPS - like a phone is stolen and whoever took it is keeping it in his kitchen cabinet. The phone can't see any GPS satellites so it relies on a cell tower fix. If it can only see one tower (and maybe this guy has the nearest address to the tower), the phone is claiming that it's at this guy's house.
I suspect that whoever is harassing the guy is ignoring the large circle in his positioning app that
They don't mention the types of phones (Score:2)
So I conclude this hasn't involved an iPhone. Otherwise at least one of the stories would've worded it as "iPhone owners and a few random others", because news writers seem to think that's the only phone that'll draw readers.
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Hand Out News Copy (Score:4, Insightful)
'It's very difficult to say, 'I don't have your phone,' in any other way other than, 'I don't have your phone.''"
I suppose keeping some copies of this news article by the door and handing them out might help a bit.
The linked to article sucks. Here is a better one. (Score:2)
The linked to article sucks. Here is a better one with much more detail.
http://llodo.com/lost-phone-dont-blame-wayne-dobson.html [llodo.com]
Re:We need more guns (Score:5, Funny)
If everyone had a gnu [gnu.org], this would not be a problem.
Re: Not for the first time (Score:5, Funny)
I skimmed the submission, it rang a bell, I searched it, submission on front page, I pasted and Wham! Instant tit head!
Thems the breaks
Re: Not for the first time (Score:4, Funny)
I skimmed the submission, it rang a bell, I searched it, submission on front page, I pasted and Wham! Instant tit head!
Thems the breaks
That's terrible, reading anything in the submission should be a crime. We managed to ban articles back in 2005, but skimming submissions is far to close to "informed"
Re: (Score:3)