Leak Shows What Could Be Nokia's New Windows Phone 8 Devices 110
Nerval's Lobster writes "Did images of Nokia's upcoming Windows Phone 8 smartphones leak a few days early? That's the question after a Twitter feed, @evleaks, posted a set of images early on Aug. 31. The first, it claimed, was of the '4.3-inch Nokia Lumia 820,' while the second purported to show the '4.5-inch Nokia Lumia 920 with PureView.' Corporate-sanctioned leaks are a fairly regular thing in the tech world, but they tend to follow well-defined patterns: a public-relations executive — wait, sorry, 'unnamed source' — will email a journalist with an image of an upcoming device, for example, or a disgruntled former engineer will data-dump information onto their blog. Glossy publicity images originating from a new, relatively unknown Twitter feed is less common, although the Twitter feed in question has leaked other images in the past."
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OH no they used the round corners that are claimed to be innovated and owned by Apple..!!
did you even bother to look at the link? the 820 has barely rounded corners (bezel is rounded, but front plate is square), while the 920 is right angles. there's more than one way to build a phone!
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by the way, what is the linked site, anyway? it's like a technology blog, but slashdot branded? when did this happen? http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/ [slashdot.org]
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Look at it for a few seconds and then realize some one sold out to FB timeline...
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Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (Score:5, Interesting)
Someone call judge Koh!
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Does anyone actually care about microsoft phones? There seems to be a million articles on this site
regarding them, and I don't know one person in all the technology people I know that would even glance
at a windows phone.
Among the neutral commentators (Anandtech, for instance), WP8 and even WP7 gets the best reviews of any of the major mobile operating systems. If Sprint picks up one of the new Nokias I'll ditch my disappointing GS2 and try a Lumia.
Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Apple actually used Lumias as an example of a phone that they don't feel violates Apple trade dress.
Absolutely, once you apprciate the basis Apple use to decide which competitors to obstruct^W^W^Wwillful violators to pursue, it all falls into place:
Apple phone - distinctive feature : make tons and tons of money.
Samsung phones - make tons of money. Not the same as tons and tons, maybe, but confusingly similar to Apple accountants.
Nokia phones - hideous failure. No similarity.
As a lawyer once told me... (Score:2)
You don't sue someone with no money.
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How dare you sully this discussion with facts! And ones that are contrary to the /. approved groupthink, to boot.
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Yes, but those phones are all rectangles with rounded corners. As I bet they also have colored icons displayed on a grid, the phone icon has a phone in it, and the message icon has an envelope, the only distinctive factor lasting is the black color, that seems to be optional. If those are the new Lumina models, Apple won't be able to claim that anymore.
Now, I liked the color options. It is already time to somebody get out from black and silver. (But no, it comes with Windows, so I won't have one.)
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Well, ok, white, beige, silver and black. Not colorfull if you ask me. If there isn't any other, I can't find on the net (because on stores I can only find the black and siver ones).
In the pictures there are green, blue, yellow, and red phones.
repost images? (Score:2)
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http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_920_with_pureview_and_820_wp8_devices_leak-news-4729.php [gsmarena.com]
PureView (Score:5, Interesting)
I hope this isn't the real debut of the Pureview technology on Windows Phone.
With that tiny lens assembly, it seems inevitable if it is the real deal that large compromises will have been made to the image quality.
For those who don't know, the Nokia Pureview technology, currently found only on a single Symbian phone, is a breakthrough in imaging quality on smartphones/compact cameras. It is hands-down the best image quality on any smartphone, it is arguably the very best compact camera in the world, and in some circumstances has even been demonstrated to outperform mirrorless cameras like micro 4/3.
Looking at them with sadness.. (Score:4, Insightful)
These could have been MeeGo phones, with QT and the nice UI from Nokia N9.
I guess MS would have none of that.
Great article.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Except looking at a picture of cell phone is about the same as looking at a generic ATX case and saying "Look at how fast this computer is!"
1/3 of Spaniards think Lumia=Whore (Score:2, Informative)
This bears repeating.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/11/03/navegante/1320329583.html [elmundo.es]
MÃ"VILES | Ãsltimos modelos del fabricante
Nokia eligià nombre 'Lumia' pese a saber que significa 'prostituta' en español
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Actualizado jueves 03/11/2011 15:13 horas
El fabricante finlandés de teléfonos mÃviles Nokia decidià bautizar su nueva gama de dispositivos dotados de Windows Phone con el nombre de 'Lumia' pese a saber que ese término sign
Photoshopped HD7 (Score:2)
The 820 pic looks too much like the HTC HD7 that I'm typing this with.
Cool, (Score:1)
Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (Score:4, Insightful)
MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.
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Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.
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Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.
10 years ago people were saying that Apple didn't have a chance. That's not what he's saying about Microsoft. He's saying 'they can't be trusted, don't give them a chance'. Agree or not, it's a different sentiment (and earned, imho).
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MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.
They screwed the owners of their last two attempts - Windows Mobile [apcmag.com] and Windows [engadget.com] Phone [technobuffalo.com].
To compare, Apple's iPhone 3GS [wikipedia.org] will get support for iOS 6 [apple.com] - and it was released more than 3 years ago.
So buying a Windows Phone falls into the category of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".
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Of 6400 respondants, 54% said they're happy, 20% said they're not but staying with windows phone, 20% said they're not sure, and only 6% said they're leaving Windows Phone.
Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900. By the time I'm ready for a new phone, Windows Phone 8 will be all the better.
As for you comparison to iOS, my Girlfriend has a 3GS. To say that it runs all the latest apps and the lates OS is a bit misleading, as she's missing features [engadget.com], and many of the latest apps and games built for 4 or 4S hardware cause her phone to lag and many of them just crash randomly. The same can be said for my iPad 1 and apps like Infinity Blade, Netflix, and MLB AtBat 2012. This is almost the same situation Microsoft is giving to Windows Phone users, except they're being upfront by calling it WP7.8 instead of WP8.
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I love my WP7 phone (currently on Mango -- haven't received the Tango update). I'll go to WP7.8 when it's available and WP8 when ready to renew my phone.
People complain about older devices not getting updates, but every company does it. At some point software surpasses the capabilities of the hardware. It sucks for the Nokia owners, but the other models were old enough that it's not that surprising.
Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (Score:5, Interesting)
My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.
Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too ... (Score:3)
My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
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My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.
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My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.
What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.
The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.
And the Droid 1 is not painfully slow in Android 4 (ICS) compared to the Droid 4?
The Droid 1 suffers even more than the iPhone 3GS. The Droid going from a 550 MHz single core CPU to a 1.2 GHz dual core while the iPhone goes from 600 MHz single core to 800 MHz dual core.
Actually it all depends on the application. I test on a 3GS running iOS 5. Slower but not painfully so. If your app does not take advantage of dual core (or more accurately threading) the boost is not that great. Keep in mind that a sna
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My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.
The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.
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My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.
Your 2009 Droid 1 is running at 1.2GHz rather than the 550MHz (underclocked from 600MHz) stated on Wiki and various other sites and the up to 600MHz stated on Motorola's developer site?
The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.
In terms of RAM the iPhone 3GS has 256MB compared to 512MB in the 4 and 4S. In comparison the Droid 1 has 256MB as well but the Droid 4 has 1GB.
Either way you look at it, CPU or RAM, the Droid 1 to Droid 4 comparison seems more painful than the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4S comparison.
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Yes my 2009 droid is overclocked to 1.2Ghz. I have in fact clocked it up to 1.25Ghz before.
The fact that the iPhone4S is more than a year behind in specs should not be held against the D1. Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen.
Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by t
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Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen. Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by the way.
The point is not that the iPhone 4S is behind the Droid 4. The claim was made that an iPhone 3GS is painfully slow compared to the current model. My argument is merely pointing out that this is even more of an issue for the Droid 1.
If we accept your argument about the Droid 3 being the true successor then we have a device with the same RAM as the iPhone 4S and a 1GHz dual core CPU vs the 4S's 800 MHz dual core. My point seems to still hold.
Yes Apple seems to be releasing updated hardware months later
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No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.
Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.
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No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.
Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.
The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.
How is the 3GS slower, the D1 and 3GS have the same CPU and RAM? The D1 CPU is 8% slower and its running Java apps rather than native binaries but that is nitpicking. And no, I do not count overclocking. That is not the user experience that nearly all D1 users had/have. Plus overclocked CPUs, especially severely overclocked like the one described generally have errors. Note that not all overclocking induced errors are obvious, resulting in crashes, etc. Sometimes the CPU simply gives the wrong answer after
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The D1 can be clocked far higher than a 3GS, the D1 can run a stripped version of Android, the D1 can have swap enabled or other such tricks. Yes, testing after overclocking is needed.
To not include those is just apple fanboism. These are real advantages that I use. An open OS has these advantages.
We are not at the limits of human vision. I am human and can see the pixels on an iPhone4S. I can see the difference on 3.5" screens. Hopefully, the iPhone5 will be a little larger though. I think you need a visit
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There is lots of testing, people have been doing this with desktop CPUs for years.
We are talking about a phone here, not the computer in charge of launching the nukes. If it becomes unreliable clock it down, not a major risk.
Have you never overclocked a desktop CPU?
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There is lots of testing, ...
There is lots of inadequate testing, its the nature of the beast with respect to overclocking.
Again. The failure mode is not "works fine" vs "crashes". At some speed a particular CPU will experience failures. These failures will start out quite subtle, literally 2+2=5 sort of stuff and will progress in severity as higher speeds are attempted. Where the subtle failures begin, and where that line is crossed between subtle and crashing, will be different for every CPU. The prerequisites for these failures w
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So what?
What does this have to do with anything? Yes, over clocking can possibly have repercussions, so can getting out of bed in the morning.
All you are saying is that you are an apple fanboy and will discount anything that is at all modified from the way the one true jobs gave it to you.
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So what? What does this have to do with anything?
You asked for my experience with overclocking.
Yes, over clocking can possibly have repercussions, so can getting out of bed in the morning.
You just don't (or do not want to) get it. Its not "can possibly have", its "usually does have".
All you are saying is that you are an apple fanboy and will discount anything that is at all modified from the way the one true jobs gave it to you.
Yeah, demonstrating that overclocking makes CPUs unreliable and shortens their life is Apple fanboyism. That is quite desperate. Given your desperation to cling to the notion that overclocking is good for everyone I suggest you rethink who is the fanboy in this discussion.
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Too bad it does not do either of those regularly.
I actually do overclock a D1 and it has been doing fine for years that way.
I am not suggesting anything is good for everyone, but my reality conflicts with your claims.
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my reality conflicts with your claims.
Really. How does your reality conflict with the subtle type of errors that I discussed, the simple incorrect calculation rather than a crash? The type of error that goes by unnoticed. Recall the Intel FDIV bug? Overclocking errors can result in errors of that nature but different in their specifics on every CPU.
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Because it does not impact my life.
Errors so subtle no one notices them are not important. I am not doing my taxes on my D1. BTW the only reason the D1 was ever clocked down to 550 was for battery life.
Where is the risk? Oh noes my grocery list might be off by 1 carrot!
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I'm curious to hear your explanation of why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri in iOS5 and how is that different from the Lumia 900 getting the most obvious new feature from WP 8 (the new Start Screen) but not the other - mainly hardware dependent - features?
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That's a poll put to the users of wpcentral.com
The contention is that Microsoft screwed over its users, and this assertion is coming from people who a) don't use Windows Phone b) never intended to use Windows Phone c) have a history of campaigning against windows phone and d) have no actual data supporting their assertions. I've presented a survey from users who disagree. In one sentence you assert wpcentral is full of fanboys and only view WP in a positive view, yet in the next sentence you assert that since the numbers weren't overwhelmingly positive
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Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine
All three of them?
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Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900.
Enjoy your crippled version of Skype with inability to receive IMs and take calls in the background.
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I'd certainly accept that Windows Phone 7 owners might legitimately feel screwed, but Windows Mobile owners certainly were not - they had a long run prior to WP7 coming on the scene.
Also, while Apple does tend to release iOS for older iPhones, its a hugely mixed bag - my iPhone 3G was basically unusable after the iOS 4 upgrade, so much so that I looked elsewhere. So yes, Apple might "cater" for older phones, but you had better be seriously careful what you wish for, because theres a difference between some
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iPhone 3GS runs like a dog with iOS5 with everything possible disabled. It crashes if Safari has more than two tabs open, although sometimes also one is enough. Everything after iOS4 was a huge downgrade for iPhone 3GS.
Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't trust Microsoft and I don't trust Apple, I have a bit of trust for Google though. Google though has not acted in anticompetitive fashion they have used their patents only defensively. Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to. Lets see Microsoft or Apple* do that.
*no darwin does not count because google givesaway the whole system where apple only years ago gave away pieces. Oh and when are we going to see the arm port?
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"Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to."
So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm, GMail, or any of their other software that gives them a competitive advantage?
Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.
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> Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.
Wait, what? So they spent, and continue spending time and money on developing Android, and then give it away because "it's not worth anything for them"? Dude, I don't know what point you was trying to make, but you're painting them as freaking philantropes right there. "Hey, I've spent lots to build this, but you can have it! Really, I do
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Well, if they just spent $12 billion on Motorola Mobility, a few million more on severance packages, and pay Apple $100 million a year to be the default search engine on Macs and iOS devices and testified that 66% of their mobile profits come from ios devices, you do the math.
And no MMI is not profitable.
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So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm
Haha. When I see a statement like this, I know I'm being trolled. Good one.
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I'm on VMo, and most of their options are POS androids. They have an iPHone but they're like $500. If they had a sub$200 windows phone, I would jump at it. I'm not invested in the android ecosystem, except for angry birds.
True story - I downloaded a game called "plumber pipes" or something like that, where you connected pipe pieces from one end to the other. It had "targeted" ads - they were all for pipes and plumbing equipment!
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Root that puppy and install "Adfree Android [google.com]" to block most ads from ever becoming an annoyance again.
Also check the site in my sig and you might be pleasantly surprised at how well your POS Android can run...
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And before you say "get her an iphone" let me just say, apple can stuff it where the sun don't shine. MS may be a bad player sometimes, but apple is just a bloody cult.
Good idea. Get a phone from a company proven to misbehave verses a phone that other people like because other people like it.
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What exactly is so bad about it? With the new upcoming update, they've pretty much fixed all the complaints I've ever seen.
Can I now save a draft of my SMS?
I mean, I understand that such a novel feature couldn't be expected in a phone, but maybe Microsoft could be innovative?
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Why are you making drafts of 160-char messages? That doesn't seem like an even slightly important feature.
With that said, you pretty much can through one of two mechanisms:
Copy the drafted text to the clipboard and then paste it into a text to yourself (yes, you can copy text out of a SMS as well, so it's not that hard to recover) or simply leave the text half-composed, hit the Start button (or press-and-hold the Back button to switch to another app), and when you want to get back to your "draft" just use t
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Another reason not to bother.. "leaks" = hype
*sigh* just another ad