20 Years of GSM and SMS 157
udas writes "Two thirds of the world's population, 4 billion people, use cell phones today, and all of them have access to SMS. Groupe Spécial Mobile (GSM), set up in 1982, created the GSM standard, leading to a unified, open, standard-based mobile network. SMS, up to 160 7-bit character messages sent over control channels (when they aren't busy), was part of the original GSM specification itself. The first GSM handsts were approved for sale in May 1992. But it was not until 1996, when pay-as-you-go SIM cards showed up, and the kids got their hands on it, that SMS gained popularity."
ugly abomination (Score:3, Insightful)
ugly, overpriced abomination that should die, die, die.
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ugly, overpriced abomination that should die, die, die.
Why kill it? It's one more tax on idiocy. Idiots are paying our providers.
I don't want it to stop. I want more idiot taxes! Install blackjack on all mobiles.
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Re:ugly abomination (Score:5, Insightful)
ugly, overpriced abomination that should die, die, die.
Why kill it? It's one more tax on idiocy. Idiots are paying our providers.
Oh yes, because everyone else is an idiot. It's good we have Thansin, who is not an idiot, because what would we do otherwise.
Look, not everything is priced at the lowest point compared to other services like the internet. Yes, per megabyte price for SMS is huge. But who the fuck tries to transfer data with it anyway? On top of that most people have unlimited SMS with their plans now. Even without that SMS price isn't that high and it was very convenient.
By the way, SMS was also developed by Nokia engineers, accidentally actually. Just shows how much groundwork Nokia has done for mobiles and that they actually deserve every patent they have (most of which they've given for free use anyway).
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I send 10-20 texts a month. At$.25 a text it costs me no more than $5 extra.
Unlimited texts start at $20 a month for AT&T.
no most people don't pay for it.
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Over here in Iceland, with NOVA, I can't get unlimited text, and even getting a fixed number of "free" texts a month is absurdly expensive. The per-text cost is something like $0.08.
Back in the US, I never texted. It was a total rip off, I contended, and I refused to do it. Over here, I've totally changed. I read and write Icelandic much better than I speak it, and over a phone call, it's almost impossible for me to carry on a proper conversation in Icelandic. Everyone has cell phones. So spending a
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STARTS AT?? WOW.. Comes as standard in the UK.
We have a lot of stuff over here in the states that doesn't come standard. SMS, Health care, a good social safety net... it's just one more thing to add to the list.
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ugly, overpriced abomination that should die, die, die.
Why kill it? It's one more tax on idiocy. Idiots are paying our providers.
Oh yes, because everyone else is an idiot. It's good we have Thansin, who is not an idiot, because what would we do otherwise. Look, not everything is priced at the lowest point compared to other services like the internet. Yes, per megabyte price for SMS is huge. But who the fuck tries to transfer data with it anyway? On top of that most people have unlimited SMS with their plans now. Even without that SMS price isn't that high and it was very convenient. By the way, SMS was also developed by Nokia engineers, accidentally actually. Just shows how much groundwork Nokia has done for mobiles and that they actually deserve every patent they have (most of which they've given for free use anyway).
The real problem is that the providers aren't really happy just charging high fees to the people that "don't know better" as the GP thinks (with his non-idiot intellect,) instead they use it (like someone else mentioned) to get enough laws and regulations in their favor that they make everyone an idiot, stringing together enough fees and tiers and contracts that there is basically no escape except to "settle" on some compromise between quality, ease of use, and cost. But God bless the free market for provi
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I use Smozzy from time to time for little things, and revel in the absurdity if it.
SMS just not expensive in US any longer... (Score:2)
Fine. I guess you've never had $50 in also carte text charges in a single month and a carrier who refused to sell you a text plan.
I, on the other hand, have.
Well, this certainly wasn't this year -- or so I hope. If you're in the United States, you can likely choose AT&T's gophone which will sell you as many text messages per month pre-paid as you'd like. You can buy a 200 messages plan for $.024 per message or a 1000 messages plan for $.01 per message. You can buy 2 200 messages plan or three 1000 message plans. Or you can buy an unlimited plan.
You can even choose to only text if you'd like to avoid costly voice service. Bottom line -- SMS is not as expensi
Re:ugly abomination (Score:5, Funny)
ugly, overpriced abomination that should die, die, die.
But enough about cowboy Neil
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I'm on Boost Mobile. How is unlimited talk, text, long distance, 411, roaming, internet, and email for $45 overpriced? Back in the landline days twenty years ago when long distance calls were expensive most of my pohone bills were higher than my cell bill is now (and I no longer have a landline).
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It's not really overpriced on most modern plans (which either have unlimited texting for a flat fee, or simply include a number of free texts per month that is more than most people need).
I'm on a low end cap plan on Vodafone (Australia) that gives me $180 of 'value' for $20 a month. That 'value' is just a bucket which I can use on calls, data, SMS or whatever. If I used the whole lot on SMS (nominally priced at 28 cents each, but that's not what you actually pay), it'd be:
180.00 / 0.28 = 642 SMS per month.
20 years later... (Score:5, Interesting)
And they still charge over $1000/MB for SMS.
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Depends on your plan. Like many others, I get unlimited SMS as part of my monthly subscription.
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The majority of people with a prepaid plan are paying 20 cents per message in the US - to send and receive.
Everyone else is paying too, the cost is just bundled into a big monthly so you can't identify what any one part of it costs. That makes it much harder to shop around for other deals that might leave you better off, since you're likely to seek the safety of unlimited everything rather than buying what you need.
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In the United States it's the norm to pay to receive both calls and text messages on your cell phone.
It primarily stems from cell phones adopting standard local numbers, and therefore calls to cell phones have never been charged at a premium like in Europe. So the cell phone owner has to pay rather than the caller pays model you might be more familar with.
Of course this makes things like spam SMS much much more annoying.
Re:20 years later... (Score:5, Interesting)
"'SMS is the closest thing to pure profit ever invented" - Sir Chris Gent, founder of Vodafone.
(from here [thisismoney.co.uk])
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"'SMS is the closest thing to pure profit ever invented" - Sir Chris Gent, founder of Vodafone. (from here [thisismoney.co.uk])
And to think, the only thing you have to do to avoid the SMS charge is use the phone as a PHONE and call the person you wanted to communicate with. And yet somehow the texting option is more popular despite the constantly increasing cost...
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It's a pretty tightly controlled market if so. There doesn't seem to be any way to get most smartphones on the independent market for less than the total cost of the contract in Europe.
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There's something to be said for asynchronous communication. Case in point - you're reading this at your leisure, at some point in time after I posted it, rather than reading reading it live as I type.
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And the fact that trying to type anything on either a traditional mobile phone keypad or a touchscreen is an exercise in frustration and pain. If someone texts me I either wait until I'm at a PC so I can send an email or, if it can't wait, just phone them.
Most bafflingly popular feature ever.
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Come to India. It's mobile user wet dream. We are largely GSM.
Voice calls - 1 paisa for 2 seconds. There are 100 paisas in 1 rupee. 50 Rupees = 1 USD.
SMS: We basically don't care how much it costs. I think it's nearly free. Some 500 SMS free per month and then what? 20 paisa per SMS?
In India, receiving party NEVER pays for SMS.
International SMS (all over the world) costs like Rs 5 per SMS message.
For comparative analo
Expensive gasoline (Score:2)
$1.50 for a liter? That's over $5.67 a gallon. That is only cheap compared to countries with punitive taxes on gasoline that are several multiples of the cost of the gasoline itself.
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Yeah, for cheap gas, come to Canada, it's only $1.27/litre here (at least in the Ottawa/Gatineau area). Sure you won't get cell service in 90% of the country, but the cell companies are so scummy you wouldn't want to deal with them anyhow.
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$5.67/gallon is fairly cheap compared to virtually ALL Western countries except for US/Canada. It's certainly less than in any European country, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ, etc etc.
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Re:20 years later... (Score:4, Interesting)
Repeat after me: prices are set by supply and demand, not by cost.
The minimum costs of providing labor are extremely low, yet workers keep insisting on making a profit instead of working at indentured servitude rates.
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You're conflating use of a standard with service providers who sell use of that standard.
To be honest, I can't believe the US providers who even charge for receipt of SMSs still get away with such absurd pricing. No carrier in any european country I've heard of has ever even thought of such a stupid and dangerous charging scheme. Nor could they now, as nobody would be stupid enough to chose them as a provider.
In most countries in europe, it seems th
Re:20 years later... (Score:4, Insightful)
There is about 15 different companies offering their own messaging systems "for free" - some even offering VOIP calls.
These insidious packages take a copy of all your friends as well and match you up against them, awful things - also never is everyone you know on it, ever.
I hate to yet again give Apple credit but building the imessage system into the iphone is brilliant and I sincerely hope Google copy the concept with far far better Google talk integration into the Android OS (frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't been patched in NOW)
Nice of the 3'rd parties to offer this but I'm just not interested unless it's seamless (which, to my knowledge imessage is? if it can imessage, it will - if not, defaults to SMS, seamlessly, right?)
Re:20 years later... (Score:5, Insightful)
The reason SMS remains popular is because it just works. I can text someone in Kansas or Kenya and the message gets there, whatever brand of phone the end user is holding.
Why credit Apple for another move at vendor lock-in. Apple have enough sway with their iPhone that they could have made their messaging system an open and interoperable standard.
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Apple deserve credit because their system works /seamlessly/ instantly with any other iphone (I wouldn't be surprised if it works on tablets but I don't know for sure)
The key word here is seamlessly, utterly seamlessly. Therefore you will get 'free' SMS the second you use the App as long as the recipient is on an iphone. It's built in to the OS, nothing more to do.
Hence, Google should be copying this, Google chat like integration - they've already done some work as I've now noticed in one of the newer Andr
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Apple deserve credit because their system works /seamlessly/ instantly with any other iphone
The problem is that you totally ignored what he said: it doesn't work with any other phones out there at all.
SMS works on my dumbphone and I'm not about to buy an iPhone when I don't need it.
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I know it's limited to Apple devices so that's what? 30% of all SMS's people do are now free? Not bad for a piece of software added to your phone.
You can't expect them to do this for everyone, it's not a simple to impliment. I'd be happy with 2 standards, 1 iphone, 1 android - from there consumers will whine enough that we'll eventually get interpolation like we did when SMS didn't go from carrier to carrier.
At least it's a partial standard.
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See, this is the thing...
A partial standard, using your definition of one, isn't an actual standard at all.
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See, this is the thing...
A partial standard, using your definition of one, isn't an actual standard at all.
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Indeed. Until other companies start using this, then it is purely Apple centric. At least it falls back to SMS. In many ways if the phone service companies didn't charge so much for SMS, then this would never have been an interesting feature. I must admit I have started using Whatsapp in certain cases for this, but until it is standard on all phones, then it still feels like a kludge.
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>Implying I make character assessments whether someone owns an iPhone or not and they are always negative.
I thought I was supposed to be a Microsoft hater.
At least that's what RecoiledSnake calls me.
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It does work, the tablet (or ipod touch) user needs to be on Messages (Messages is the app, iMessage the protocol) with their AppleID. iPhones can be 'on iMessage' with either their number (which is automatic) and/or their AppleID.
Apple does deserve credit for this. It's transparent. It doesn't prevent users from messaging other platforms - th
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It's true that SMS "just works" now. But that is only a recent development.
5 or 6 years ago - SMS across a national boundary was a lottery. It might work, it might not, and you'd have no way of knowing when, or even if, your message was delivered. This was particularly the case with the US, where SMS was particularly unreliable.
Even SMS between individual networks within a country wasn't always as reliable as you might have expected.
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SMS has been working in pretty much everywhere BUT the USA pretty well. I remember back in 1999 sending messages to people abroad, and getting messages sent back.
Now here in the UK we have even had SMS on our landline (send and receive) for over 5 years..... most DECT cordless phones support the scheme well.
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And there's still shortcomings between carriers even in the same country.
When SMSing someone on the same carrier, long (>160 characters) texts will appear to the recipient as a single text message if the phone supports it. I know, it's technically sent as multiple messages, but the receiving system knows how to re-assemble it into one.
When SMSing to someone on a different carrier, the message is not only broken up, it sometimes appears out of order. From some carriers, there'll be a helpful (1 of 3) noti
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All these companies. All those years of experience. All that cash. All that potential.
And yet between them all, they couldn't come up with a standard messaging system that worked between their phones, tablets and computers.
Many, many years later, Apple did. And they should give that away for free?
Pah.
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I believe the message would just get dropped in that case, but unless you're using a phone from the 90s, it will support SMS.
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In general, a message sent to a landline will just be dropped silently.
Some cell phone carriers offer an sms-to-voice service, which will ring the phone, then read the message to the other guy, but AFAICT, it isn't very common.
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Well the message would just be dropped if you sent it to a non-mobile phone.
But who in their right mind would try SMSing a landline number? In most places mobile numbers look different than landline numbers (start with a particular prefix, or have a different number of digits etc.)*
*(North America is a notable exception here ... IIRC, mobile numbers don't look any different than landline numbers in the US and Canada, so I suppose you could accidentally SMS a landline number there)
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Except you could be paying 20 cents per message if your iPhone were running on a prepaid tariff. And your friend might now be paying 20 cents per message to receive them. Yet that charge would be needless if Apple had simply made it a free and open stand
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Google talk does not work seamlessly as default when it detects someone online.,
The SMS messaging app and the chat / talk app are 2 different entities and not working 'smartly'
The charge (Score:1)
What does the typical person pay per month?
all on GSM? (Score:2)
Re:all on GSM? (Score:5, Informative)
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Indeed, sort of like how they tend to bypass landlines completely as the infrastructure for basic cell service is easier to set up in those types of places. As well as easier to maintain.
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I thought the US was one of the last countries on earth to get rid of analog back in 2008. While most developing countries never introduced analog and went straight to GSM.
Re:all on GSM? (Score:5, Informative)
GSM is nearly ubiquitous in developing countries. I've been to a significant number of 3rd world (and 2nd) and GSM has been the prevailing standard with an occasional CDMA set showing up.
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For large areas in many developing countries it's the only option you have on telephony, as they never had wired networks installed. After all installing a wired network costs a lot more than building up a wireless network (saves digging up every single street to every single home to get a cable in the ground). Their major cities may have a wired network, but the countryside not.
Possibly in some developing countries they have analogue networks, but that will be rare. Just like developed countries have upgra
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Comment was insightful. I accidentally clicked Redundant. (Never sneeze while moderating).
Undoing accidental mis-moderation by posting as self. Nothing to see here.
Isn't everyone except the US GSM (Score:4, Informative)
I mean, with probably a few exceptions?
I've always liked GSM because it is easy to swap out simcards, while CDMA seems to flash the information into the phone making it much harder to reuse...
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Yep. Complete with .002c/kB roaming charges :P
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Bell, Telus, Sasktel, and MTS all have legacy CDMA networks, but they also have GSM/UMTS "4G" networks they're using going forward. I don't think Bell and Telus sell CDMA devices anymore, but Sasktel does and they'll probably keep selling the M800 until Motorola stops making it. It's popular with the guys who work the oil sands and extreme rural areas is one case where GSM just doesn't work worth a damn thanks to the excessive cell size restriction.
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Those countries are mixed, not predominately CDMA like the US is, AFAIK
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It's closer to 50/50 for GSM/CDMA in the USA. Verizon+Sprint =162 million CDMA subscribers.
AT&T+T-Mobile=137million GSM subscribers.
I suppose if you add in the smaller players (MetroPCS, U.S. Cellular, Cricket, etc.) you do end up with a larger majority of CDMA.
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Sure, China Mobile has a CDMA network on the side... It serves a few percent of their customers. Everyone else is on China Mobile GSM.
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Look up?
2 of 3 major Canadian carriers were CDMA outfits.
Not so popular in the US? (Score:3)
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I get the impression that sending a text is way more expensive in the US than elsewhere so hasn't really taken off the way it has elsewhere?
Its much more expensive and slower than making a voice call and harder to use than email because of the length limit. It only makes sense if you're in a no-talking but cellphone-ok environment (student in a lecture hall, etc) or if you're multi-tasking about ten conversations at the same time (teenage girl stereotype).
I find 5000 to be an unlikely exaggeration. Assuming 30 days per month and 8 hrs/day of sleep/shower/otherwise disconnected time per day, that's a constant load of one text message every six
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Hang on, the other person said they're free/unlimited? As for speed etc, how long does it take, 5 seconds? What do you use them for? Everyone I know just uses them for small msgs i.e. 'I'm at the Theatre', 'OK, be there in 5', 'cool' etc. As for the size limit, That's pretty notional. Just type as much as you want, the phone carrier splits them up and puts them together again so the recipient
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My previous carrier parasite was virgin mobile and all I remember was on a pay as you go plan with per minute billing each text message cost more than 2 minutes of voice but less than 3 minutes of voice. In other words a phone call was 10 cents/min billed by minute and a text was 25 cents flat rate tx or rx. Obviously these rates have changed a lot but this was "recently" accurate at one moment. Its unlikely a single text could contain more information than a 2.5 minute phone call.
Thats where I get my "t
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There are times when sending a text is more "appropriate" than calling. For example, if you're in a noisy environment and need to get someone's attention. Equally so, if you're in a very quiet environment and need to talk to some discretely.
Texts can be better than e-mails since they require the sender to be precise with his/her words and to be as short as possible.
That doesn't negate how expense texts really are verses how much they should be. Like many things, text fees are a fee of convenience, not of
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Have you ever met a teenage girl?
Lately the boys are getting just as bad.
At high traffic times sending and receiving I have seen people go 4 or 5 texts a minute.
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Not so much.
My texts:
March-April
Messaging Unlimited 1,283
Feb-March
Messaging Unlimited 1,719
Jan-Feb
Messaging Unlimited 3,065
Dec-Jan
Messaging Unlimited 1,650
I'm 40 and don't text as much as twenty-something friends. I don't think 5,000 texts is infeasible.
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Thats... amazing. If I'm not getting overly personal, what are you doing with thousands of texts per month? Or if that's not gonna fly what are "people in general" doing with thousands of texts per month? I don't know anyone personally with those kind of stats, so I obviously can't find out any other way than asking here.
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Slower then making a voice call? By the time the person you're calling picks up the phone I could have typed a quick message and hit send. Then you have the standard conversation start and end filler that probably makes your call 3 times longer then the short message you wanted to convey.
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Voice is best for some communications; text is best for others. What exactly is the point of this debate?
The simpler something is, the better SMS works. The more complex it is, the more likely a short telephone conversation is going to help the problem better than a multi-minute SMS exchange.
This is sort of like arguing that trucks are better than cars - cars are more fun to drive and more manoeuvrable but just try fitting that queen bed in the back to take it across town.
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I wonder if someone tried to study the impact the availability/prices of mobile
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Hmm...basically we have a "family plan" with 2 phones on it. Both HTC Android devices, capable of 4g (but non existent). I'd much rather pay 19.90E.
Talk 1500 anytime minutes $ 110.00
Additional line charges (1 line) $ 19.99
Nights and weekends starting at 7pm
Any Mobile, AnytimeSM
Mobile to mobile
Allow International Calls (1 line)
Messages - Text, Pictures and Video
Unlimited Data - Web, email, TV, music, GPS and more
4G speeds in select cities
Premium Data $ 20.00
Total Equipment Protection (2 lines) $ 16.0
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On the subject of old SIM cards... (Score:2)
Am I the only person who used to prefer when you could slot the entire credit card sized card into the phone without taking the battery out? It was so much friggin easier - I used to have 3 cards which I could swap around as and when needed and it literally took seconds to change. Ok , some smartphones have gone back to that and now have a SIM slot on the outside but most STILL require you to disassemble the phones first. Why??
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Ok , some smartphones have gone back to that and now have a SIM slot on the outside but most STILL require you to disassemble the phones first. Why??
Because saying that space is at a premium in modern phones is a massive understatement. The space needed to accommodate what you describe, especially with a full-size SIM card just isn't available. As this [google.co.uk] image shows, the space devoted to even a micro-SIM is a significant fraction of what is available. The SIM holder is directly beneath the A4 chip and it's fairly plain to see why Apple are pushing to do away with physical SIMs altogether. FWIW I'm still against the idea, but I do see why they're so keen o
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The day Apple gets rid of physical SIMs is the day I switch to another type of phone. I have multiple microSIMs that I switch into my iPhone regularly while travelling. I have SIMs for Australia, Singapore, USA, UK and NZ and I keep them in my little travel wallet with my passport. Usually, I perform the SIM swap while on the plane so I'm ready to go when I land.
The only reason I'd accept ditching SIMs is if multiple network providers could be easily set up on the phone itself (i.e. a virtual SIM card done
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Most people will simply have two phones for two SIM cards. Swapping them out sucks, no matter how easy the process is. And there are quite some dual-SIM phones that allow you to have a second SIM (targeted at frequent travelers to have a home number and a foreign number, and save on roaming cost).
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vs cdma & friends? gsm interference (Score:2)
I hate it how gsm handsets interfere with computer speakers, you can always tell when someone carries a gsm instead of, say, cdma or its later incarnations. Its also silly to learn by the speakers noise you are going to get a call before the actual phone rings... And, have found gsm despite in theory being more rebust, struggles more in bad situation such as inside buildings.
A single operator in my country happens to service both cdma and gsm phones, with the latter being more heavily pushed. Perhaps it can
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THAT is what you have against GSM?! Wow. And here I thought on this website we would soon venture into a discussion about its now broken crypto. But no, speaker noise. Wow.
The real problem (Score:1)
Feeling Old (Score:2)
Damn, but that makes me feel old.
Re:Still alive (Score:5, Funny)
Worst mobile standard ever.
Hmm. The "two yogurts and a string" standard is pretty weak too.
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... Did you try eating the yogurt 1st?
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Which must be why when GSM went 3G and beyond, they pretty much dumped everything from GSM (Like that craptacular TDMA scheme) and copied the many things that CDMA got right, huh?
About the only thing that GSM got right was that SIMs are manditory, rather than optional like in CDMA.
Re:Still alive (Score:5, Informative)
I'd say GSM has a number of features that are far useful for a clued customer than CDMA. Of course, in theory the differences will go away when companies move to LTE and one stream for communications (as opposed to separated voice/data.) A couple points:
Yes, I can keep my Internet connection going while using my BT headpiece and talking with a friend. Very simple, but CDMA, you talk, or use the packet radio; not both.
If the device is unlocked, I can used whatever the heck I feel like on a GSM network. Switching between my iPhone and Android phone is just a SIM card swap away. With CDMA companies, I have to call them and plead for them to switch the number to that phone, and IIRC, unless you bought the device from that provider, they will laugh in your face.
The US CDMA standard is a crippled implementation. Everywhere else in the world, the CDMA standard uses R/UIM cards. This allows people to use whatever cell phone they want, just like with GSM (provided the phone is unlocked.) This also prevents phones from other countries being used in the US.
I like GSM for the ability to use an unlocked phone I bought anywhere in the world in the US. The phone may crawl along at EDGE speed, but at least it can be used, unlike CDMA phones which have to be tossed, if one wants to change providers.
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There is no 3G GSM. 3G is actually CDMA. Technologically there is nothing from classic GSM in there.
You are confusing CDMA as signal encoding and the CDMA data specification' (aka Qualcomm CDMA). GSM always been an umbrella standard covering what features are needed for communication. Originally GSM went with TDMA as the encoding, but in recent years have switched to CDMA. 3G GSM refers to the third generation of the GSM standard, which also includes the CDMA signal encoding. It does not use the Qualcomm CDMA data specification.
GSM was as a standard was formed by multiple entities to avoid the incompatibl
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From the summary: "The first GSM handests were approved for sale in May 1992"