Windows Phone Homebrew Hits a Snag 185
symbolset writes "TheNextWeb is reporting that the first official jailbreak for Windows Phone 7, ChevronWP7, has 'sold out' of tokens to enable homebrew application support. Only 10,000 tokens to jailbreak Windows Phones were ever granted. According to an announcement through ChevronWP7's Twitter feed, they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available. With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get."
ChevronWP7 (Score:5, Interesting)
Those of us who were waiting for a true jailbreak, with native-code execution and control of the system, were sorely disappointed that ChevronWP7 got so much publicity, because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.
Re:ChevronWP7 (Score:4, Informative)
If you've got a Samsung phone, head on over to WindowBreak [windowsphonehacker.com]. It'll give you developer access and native execution abilities, even starting from a locked-down 7.5 (Mango).
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It also is not a full unlock. Just interop.
You're right it's way better than ChevronWP7, and the original people who did that work should get way more credit than the people who came out with ChevronWP7, but it's not full access. You're still locked out of the system.
Re:ChevronWP7 (Score:5, Informative)
What do you mean, locked out of the system? Use WindowBreak, then go install WP7 Root Tools (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1265321) using the free dev tools for app deployment. You'll have access to almost anything, limited only by what the dev of WP7 Root Tools has implemented so far. There are a handful of other apps out there that will also work, such as from http://touchxperience.com/ [touchxperience.com] and elsewhere on the XDA-Devs WP7 hacking forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=606).
WindowBreak is an easy way to "interop-unlock" a Windows phone. Interop-unlock means you can can install and run apps that call into high-privilege drivers, breaking out of their sandboxes. Immediately, that opens up a lot of potential, but it also means you can run code as TCB (the WP7 equivalent of "root" or "Administrator"). Apps like WP7 Root Tools take advantage of this to enable a wide variety of functionality, though the current version only enables doing so on Samsung phones (the high-privilege drivers being different from each OEM).
Incidentally, there are other ways to interop-unlock other phones. LG phones actually ship with a built-in registry editor that can be used to dev-unlock (install app packages) and interop-unlock (install high-privilege homebrew packages) the phones - there's absolutely no need for ChevronWP7 or the official AppHub account (which does the same thing, plus allowing you to submit apps to the Marketplace). HTC phones (the first-generation ones) can be interop-unlocked if they are already dev-unlocked. Their bootloaders can also be "unlocked" to allow custom updates (modify the current ROM) or full custom ROMs, with most of the latter having excellent support for homebrew (the kinds of changes that WP7 Root Tools can make being applied by default, obviously already being interop-unlocked, and having the ability to install app packages directly from the phone without needing a PC).
Nokia, Dell, and Toshiba/Fujitsu phones do not have known interop-unlocks yet, nor do second-generation HTC phones. People are working on this, though.
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WindowBreak is an easy way to "interop-unlock" a Windows phone. Interop-unlock means you can can install and run apps that call into high-privilege drivers, breaking out of their sandboxes. Immediately, that opens up a lot of potential, but it also means you can run code as TCB (the WP7 equivalent of "root" or "Administrator").
That's good to know, I'll look into it when I get a chance.
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I am curious why you got a Windows Phone if you were so interested in running native code and controlling the system. There are plenty of options out there for people who want full access to the system and with Windows Phone Microsoft actually markets the lack of access as kind of a feature. I am pretty happy with my Windows Phone but I cannot understand why people who care about full access would buy it.
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In my case, I'm lucky enough to have a job that pays me to do this. I usually have half-a-dozen different smart phones/tablets on my desk, some of which are pre-release. I spent some time hacking WP7, but once it became apparent that the marketshare would be small, I returned to
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Read on for more information: Click here [xda-developers.com]
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because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.
Sounds like brilliant strategy to me.
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After they managed to unlock the phone they made a deal with Microsoft and removed the original tool to release it as a paid (future proof) version. There are other jailbreak tools unrelated to MS though.
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The N9 is/was beauiful (Score:2, Insightful)
I bought a Nokia N9 on the grey market to add to my collection of Maemo phones. I have an N770, N800, N900, and now an N9. What really surprised me is that the N9 is beautiful, the OS is great, and the screens are beautiful. People would have loved the N9 if they were able to buy it. Elop certainly made sure it was not only dead, but he had Nokia use up the N9 parts (except the processor) building that Lumina 800 thing.
If I had my way at Nokia. They would still do what they do best making beautiful hardware
Nokia Lumia 500 are just Fake Nokia N9 (Score:2)
Re:The N9 is/was beauiful (Score:5, Insightful)
But your approach would bankrupt the company. Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.
I think you're right that Microsoft played some dirty tricks with Elop(the conflicts of interest are glaring), but I think you're wrong that WinPhone 7 is junk.
The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately. Hell, I would axe shitty feature phones. I know the impact on emerging regions would be horrific, but, take the current designs, open them up to local firms and have them build it. It's clear that feature phones with slim margins isn't going to keep the company afloat.
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Doomed perhaps but Symbian and Meego were/are open source.
If Nokia cared about homebrew, they'd stick to a common hardware roadmap for all their future devices. Providing WP7 with an open boatloader and employing a skeleton staff to assist with driver development for meego/symbian/webos/android would go a long way to regaining the trust of those burnt by the 'Qt4 on everything' about face.
Do Cyanogenmodders represent anything of a market share? My next phone will likely be an HTC but if Nokia were to provid
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Well, with MeeGo they had a powerful partner who had a strong interest for Nokia to succeed. They also had a clear upgrade path from Symbian and developers to support that. The strategy was sound, they did fail to deliver on it in time, though. So granted they had a problem.
However Elop's approach was to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Nokia is now completely depended on the strategy of another company - which in turn does not depend on Nokia at all. MS will happily supply WP7 to other vendors, and
Disagree, Microsoft needs Nokia badly (Score:2)
Nokia is now completely depended on the strategy of another company - which in turn does not depend on Nokia at all.
Although Microsoft can and does distribute WP7 to other companies, I think you are wrong that Microsoft does not need Nokia - and they know it. They very badly need a high-quality phone to make headway in the market and without Nokia they would simply be DOA with phones out from a few vendors as an afterthought.
Nokia and Microsoft pairing up as they have gives both of them a chance to get b
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So what does MS give Nokia which they don't give other phone vendors? Quite apart from the fact that MS has other revenue streams. They are not dependent on Nokia, even if Nokia is useful for them.
Also Omnia 7 and Titan are available. If people want WP7 phones there is good hardware to chose from. Nokia just came out with their stuff, but Samsung and HTC are bound to have new phones in the pipe.
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Prior to Elop taking over, it was pretty damn clear Symbian, MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten was doomed.
I'm not sure about that. Immediately prior to Elop, Nokia had just bought QT. Nokia was about to go all-in into MeeGo.
You're right about them lacking a clear vision though. If they really wanted to compete, they would've cut Symbia and put MeeGo on every device. Instead of having a billion product lines, have three or four, with officially bundled add-ons (that could be bought separately) for specific markets.
Then, they should've dumped all of their marketing budget into these phones, made sure their develo
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The problem with Nokia is that they dont' have any clear vision. The N9 is clearly an example. If I was Elop anything that wasn't Windows Phone or feature phone would've had the axe immediately.
I think that would be a huge, monumental mistake. N9 is selling rather well, while the Lumia devices have, basically, flopped during the holiday season.
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Really? They were selling more phones than anybody else. You can segment things all you like until something else comes up as a winner in some segment but that distracts from the total. It's been downhill from there but since they sell so much stuff Elop will take a long time to kill Nokia if that's actually what he intends to do.
However, I really do not understand why the MeeGo/Maemo/Harmatten stuff was sold al
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Half of Nokia's problem was the fact that they basically wrote off the US as a market, without grasping that its mindshare and influence was several orders of magnitude greater than the number of phones sold might otherwise suggest. Symbian for all intents and purposes didn't exist in the US (I think Sony-Ericsson had a few that could do 3G on AT&T, and limp along with EDGE on T-Mobile, if you paid $800 to import one) , and as a practical matter neither did Nokia phones capable of doing anything better
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But your approach would bankrupt the company.
It would be hard to hurt the company more than Elop has. He has set a historic world record for destroying market share. RIM would have set the record by just muddling along without a good strategy but Elop managed to outdo them. They deliberately didn't sell the n9. How stupid is that?
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"No one really wants WP7, and it just isn't very good."
Speak for yourself, sir. Clearly at least 10k rooting customers disagree and I as well.
I just ordered a WP7 phone. Not so much because I think it's the Best Phone OS Ever Made(TM), but because I feel like trying something different after using iPhone since the 3G came out. Since I have an iPhone 4 through work I thought it would be fun to try out WP7 on my personal number. Bought a mid-range phone (Omnia W) so I don't waste too much money if I end up no
Windows Phone 7 has potential. (Score:5, Interesting)
Windows Phone 7 has, hands down, the best mobile UI experience you can get right now. Everything is fluid, fast and easy. The stock applications and voice controls gel perfectly and make Android look like a total mess, though it's cleaned up its act with Ice Cream Sandwich. App switching is WebOS-like and will make multi-tasking awesome when it comes to life in the next version. It's integration with Windows Live and Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn is the best I have ever seen and used and totally antiquates the need for their dedicated apps. (This might not matter for many Slashdot folks, but it matters for most people.) Forget iPod and iTunes; the Zune is just as easy to use and is much prettier to use. (It helps that the Zune software runs great on Windows, unlike iTunes.) The camera has ZERO lag, though the lens on the HD7 absolutely sucked. It's experience is absolutely beautiful and I can totally see iPhone users defecting to this once the app ecosystem.
Microsoft's strategy to use Nokia as their flagship supplier makes much more sense after you use it for a while; Nokia still has huge brand recognition and will shake up the market really nicely when they release (and market) their ace device.
The biggest obvious problem is that Apple and Android both had first-mover's advantage and, thus, own the space at the moment. However, this is not as problematic as it seems. People are getting tired of iOS (it hasn't changed very much since 1.0, despite great hardware advances) and Windows Phone offers a very cool and equally smooth alternative that a lot of people will feel comfortable moving to, especially with its strong Facebook integration. It's going to be very difficult for Apple to match this and Android's UI improvements and they can't depend on making killer hardware leaps anymore since both fronts have caught up there. (Kind of like how Intel can't really market GHz anymore since every processor is "fast enough.")
Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long.
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Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long. :)
Ok, back to reality: even if WP7 will eventually succeed - right now it's market share is puny. Apple is not in trouble, they are doing almost absurdly well - granted in terms of marketshare they've lost a lot, but they they lost that to Android. Maybe 2012 or 2013 will be the year of Windows on the mobile device? I won't completely dismiss that possibility - one of MS' primary strengths is persistence.
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One of Apple's key features is the longevity of their hardware, which works with and against them. If you buy an iPhone you'll get OS updates that work for 2-3 years, which means you can always run the newest software for that period of time (Siri being the main exception to-date, but that isn't really distributed on its own via the app store anyway). If you buy an Android phone, there is a decent chance you'll never get an update for it - often phones are sold long after they get their last update, and i
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If you buy an Android phone, there is a decent chance you'll never get an update for it - often phones are sold long after they get their last update, and it is rare to get an update even one year after it FIRST goes on sale.
There are two caveats to this:
For example, this [motorola.com] chart highlights the upgrades available for Motorola devices. All of the flagship devices they've sold, such as the Droid, Droid X and Xoom, have gotten carrier-supported upgrades to Gingerbread. I know that flagship HTC and Samsung devices, like the Droid Incredible, Desire HD/Inspire and Galaxy S
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I believe the only thing you have to have to use a Windows Phone 7 phone is a Windows Live ID (you can use any email to sign up for a Live ID, not just live.com/hotmail.com email addresses), which bri
Talk about control freaks (Score:2)
You need a special TOKEN just to develop for the damn things? And there's a shortage? Do they have a basement full of MS trolls hand-crafting each token?
If they thought the ability was intrinsically dangerous, they wouldn't offer these tokens. If they weren't control freaks, they wouldn't make people beg them for a token just to have a bit more control over the phone. It's the worst kind of artificial scarcity.
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Not exactly, no. You can develop for the emulator for free (all the tools and SDKs are available for free). If you want to put what you developed on your phone itself you can either pay $100/year for access to the market (the standard approach that Microsoft wants you to do, because it gets apps in the market and everybody judges smartphone platforms by t
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They're not as bad as Apple (wow, that's a scary thing to say!), but it seems to me that sideloading is a natural right on a device I own.
Technically you can develop using only the emulator, but you can never be sure it really works until you run on real hardware. It's also pointless to develop if you can't even use it personally.
With Android, I can use the emulator to debug, then test (including running the debugger) and use on my own phone. Then I can either sign up in the market or I can just let people
Dear Microsoft, please stop trying to be Apple (Score:2)
Just let us install what we want on our devices from any source that we want. You don't have to allow "root" access just the same permissions and sandboxed isolated storage, manifest based security constraints as any app avaliable on the app store.
I mean whats the difference between just making it a feature of the platform vs having to go through a few extra hoops for the same outcome? Your "enterprise" customers would thank you.
Don't be another evil Apple who thinks it is ok to control what can be instal
Good for everyone. (Score:4, Insightful)
The more they destroy their developer-base and show that they are unfriendly to developers, the more developers will avoid WP7. The net result being the suicide of WP7. This is great... well, except for the two people that bought a WP7 phone.
You reap what you sow.
LOL @ "two people" (Score:3)
You know, the whole "two people who bought..." meme would be a lot funnier in an article that wasn't about how ten thousand tokens for homebrew development sold out in just a few months. Let's break down that 10,000 to get an idea of what it really means, though:
These aren't needed for people who are already developers - they have legit developer accounts, which offer the same access plus submitting to the Marketplace.
These people don't work for Microsoft - developer accounts are free to employees (I intern
10,000 tokens ought to be enough.. (Score:2)
for anyone.
no?
Re:Nokia Lumia (Score:5, Informative)
Lumia was not even available to buy in sweden until this january.
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Ironically the Linux based Smartphones are less free than the Win Mobile7 environment.
What metrics are you using?
Anyway, the times of Microsoft world domination are over
Are there unicorns and elves in your country?
and they embrace open standards now.
Wicked sarcasm - or did Steve Balmer die and I not hear the used car and aluminium siding salesmen weeping and wailing?
Competition is great and drives innovation.
Now there's an irony - Microsoft and competition driving innovation. In the same sentence. (and yes I know what you mean - good things come from making bad things not suck)
Yep - can't root my Moko FreeRunner.
I tried rubbing it gently, buying it champagne and chocolate - even told it looked good in plaid.
Doesn't pay to
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> Yep - can't root my Moko FreeRunner.
You also can't use it for meaningful data in the US. They (and Trolltech) stupidly decided to use a GSM chip that can't do EDGE, and only supports 1900/2100UMTS, instead of spending about $5 more to get the pin-compatible next version up that supported EDGE (and, I believe, 850/1900MHz UMTS), which means they're GPRS paperweights in the US.
Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (Score:5, Informative)
Erm, try again:
European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. [forbes.com] ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.
Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'm sure Microsoft would happily trade the $500m/yr for the outright elimination of a competitor.
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Re:Nokia Lumia demand boringly flat (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft does collect money on iPhones - they contain no small amount of Microsoft tech as well (Exchange ActiveSync licensing, etc).
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It's not just microsoft. Nokia collets around 10USD per iphone sold, as it holds several key touchscreen patents that apple is licensing in addition to actual GSM/3G connectivity ones.
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Is that the same Nokia that in 2010 didn't have a capacitive touchscreen device?
If I didn't know Nokia better I would have been surprised!
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The very same. Nokia has a long history of touchscreen devices. It just never really pushed them to mass market.
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I think you meant niche not nice.
Anyway, you are correct about the alternative OSes, a good variance in them will move things forward at a better pace. Let's just hope they don't get caught up in idiotic patent wars... Ohh wait....
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Microsoft doesn't want Android to fail. They are profiting half a billion every year from it, without doing anything.
Let me know when you're going gambling at the track - I'm going to bet on all the horses you don't. I'll make a killing 'cause you are wrong so often. Not everyone confuses figures plucked out of a journalists arse and multiplied by theoretical numbers. Clearly you don't understand how patent pools work either.
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If no terms have been made public, how do you know no money has been paid?
A: they are public - ironically you'll want me to what it for you? (tough), and B: both companies publish returns (MS stalled and stalled, but they did publish).
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Do we need more confirmation you are a Microsoft shill? Microsoft did not receive a cent from any of the Android manufacturers (prove me wrong by providing a link to an article that is not speculating about the amount exchanged.) No terms have been made public. Microsoft is paying everyone to actually generate such positive press.
The device manufacturers probably laughed in their face when Microsoft went to them pan in hand.
Mod up - someone has done there homework.
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Oh great. An AC getting modded up +2 for reposting the same link from the summary that SharkLaser (a known shill, admittedly) is modded down for disputing with other links. And some people say Slashdot isn't an echo chamber of idiot fanboys reposting the same inane bullshit over and over.
Lumia seems to sell very well in the Netherlands.
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I don't think that Slashdot is an echo chamber of idiot fanboys reposting the same inane bullshit over and over.
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Not even true Nokia phones. They are made by Compal and rebranded Nokia.
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Thanks for pointing this out. I was beginning to wonder if it was true, considering this is the second post I saw saying that Lumia is doing well in Europe. Is Microsoft assembling its own fifty cent army?
Probably fivers. Though News Corp did commission a "survey" by Roy Morgan of householder and people in Supermarkets - so if you were one of those people asked about how you felt about malware on Android and Google's collection of your private data - you know who paid to influence your opinion - sorry I meant - you know who paid for your insights. Sure Rupert has a large investment in Microsoft, but it don't mean nothing.
How much does MS pay you? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.
Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.
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Yeah, we should believe "the
analysts" they are much better source and deserve our trust.
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I did not say we should believe them. I said that the other numbers are unreliable either. For example the number based on asking 5000 people what phones they were going to get was totally absurd and if true would mean that only 6000 Lumia phones would be sold in the UK which is obviously absurd. It seems like the middle ground of all information is about 800 000 - 1 000 000 Lumias sold till the end of 2011. Different sources do not agree if this is spectacular failure or relative success even if they agree
Re:How much does MS pay you? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think that anyone expects Windows Phone to sell anywhere near Android or iPhone. They should not expect to sell even half of the iPhone numbers in the next 5 years. MS should go into Windows Phone with a strategy similar to Xbox which is "lose billions and after ~10 years we will be profitable and on the top"
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Actually, Microsoft's XBox strategy so far has been lose billions and after ~10 years it is cash flow positive and a distant also ran. Heck, you could probably argue that the XBox beat the PS3, but just barely, and that is clearly damning with faint praise. What's more the console is clearly waning in importance. The growth market for games right now is handhelds and phones, and Microsoft isn't even an also ran in that category.
I am sure that if you asked *Nokia* what the Window's phone goals should be
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We'll go with "official app sucks ass". Trust me, I have one. It's getting better though.
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Re:Nokia Lumia (Score:5, Informative)
Well I'd trust the mainstream tech media to give some reliable numbers on Lumia sales rather than an MS astroturfing site.
Let's see: El Reg [theregister.co.uk], Grauniad [guardian.co.uk], Gizmodo [gizmodo.co.uk], and many others..
Re:Nokia Lumia (Score:4, Interesting)
Hello that same guy, who "mistook" pointing out one MS shill for "They censor anyone pro-MS!" [slashdot.org].
Incidentally, top comment of that thread was same NOKIA LUMIA IS THE WINNER without any grounding in reality.
Incidentally 2, he already posted it as unaccepted submission [slashdot.org]
Incidentally 3, judging by your behaviours, I'll classify you as "yet another part of CmdrInterstsightfulFellowIn140Bytes sockpuppet account".
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Actually, Lumia is performing really well in Europe and Australia. In November it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia [wmpoweruser.com]
Then you supplied the wrong link - try linking to a site with a stock level of more than 2 digits. Actual figures (not plucked out of your arse) might be a little hard to come by - but if you checked you facts you'd know that. Hint: which major outlets don't have it available until next month? If you said "all of them" you'd be right!
Perhaps your confusing it with the N9 which sold a few thousand (because it's PenTile is crap) but it doesn't run WP7 - the only person I've heard of that owns one got it giv
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Out of interest, why not N9? It seems like a natural evolution of N900.
Re:Nokia Lumia (Score:4, Informative)
Perhaps because it is a dead end. Advertised as such since over six months before it launched, which makes the average consumer scratch their head and wonder wtf is going on in Nokia's marketing department.
Re:So.... (Score:5, Funny)
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits.
And as the Microsoft astroturfers keep telling us, that's only because the market share is so low that no-one cares enough to try to exploit it.
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Or, because there was a "legit" way to root the phone. Now that there's not, watch an exploit appear.
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There was never a "legit" way to root the phone. There was a way to pay money to do what (most) Android devices let you do out of the gate.
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> Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak)
> without any hacks.
Rootable, but not necessarily reflashable with AOSP or Cyanogen unless you're willing to sacrifice 4G data. For some inane reason (most likely having to do with Clear, its lawyers, and/or Sprint's status as an arms-length thirdparty customer instead of 95% of their reason for existing in the first place), Sprint and Samsung have never made it particularly easy to get 4G working in
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ChevronWP, in its present incarnation, is not root. It merely allows you to sideload apps on a limited basis - basically same as what developer account gets, for 1/10 of the price.
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Because they haven't sold enough WP7 to anyone to waste their time trying.
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Whoosh....
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Re:So.... (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, desktop Linux is secure enough for only semi-loud malware story about it to be "someone uploaded trojan shell script masked as a Gnome addon to a third-party Gnome addons site, some people actually downloaded it and some even ran it". Can't remember did it try to get user to sudo it or just did what it could with user's permissions.
Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.
Windows, on the other hand, has a few nice MS-introduced OS level vulnerabilities discovered this year - not to forget about the beautiful times brought by LoveSan and alikes.
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Heck, they even have simple web sites that will do it for you just by clicking on a link! If that's not an easy exploit, then I don't know what is!
Bill
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Re:ChevronWP7 is not a jailbreak (Score:4, Insightful)
Reminds me of my senior year in high school -> the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Placing a bunch of chairs out on the quad does not compare with dismantling and reassembling a teacher's car on one of the higher levels of the library.
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True, but associated risk / repair costs are much lower
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>>the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Hmm, may or may not be a good thing. I can think of several senior pranks that were actively destructive and not funny, and others in the other subsets of {destructive,funny}.
1) Destructive and !funny: seniors rented a chainsaw and chopped the limbs off the beautiful eucalyptus trees lining the drive to the
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The football team hefted the parts upstairs, if I remember correctly. Compared to what they encounter out on the field, I think any injury would be considered minor in comparison.
And taking apart a car and putting it back together is something many mechanics do on a daily basis.
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Holy Sh*t! 10,000 pirates, that is 731 pirates (rounded up) for every available app. Dude, we need SOPA, and we need it fast to keep companies that do good work, like Microsoft, alive. Without them, who would innovate?
-Charlie
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> After it's "broken" the warranty and everything goes out the window.
They say it is, but it's a deliberate lie (which, unfortunately, is not itself illegal in the US). Escalate to a manager, mention the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and you'll have no problems. Under the MMWA, they can only refuse warranty coverage if they can prove that the failure was DIRECTLY caused by rooting and/or reflashing.
Put another way, if reflashing your phone to stock firmware fixes the problem, they can anally-rape y