7 Days With a Google Chromebook 127
jfruhlinger writes "Now that Chromebook laptops are finally here, the question is: can you really do serious work with them? The only way to find out is to dive on in, and so Steven Vaughn-Nichols spent a week using a Chromebook for all his daily computing tasks. In the end, he was mostly positive on the experience — but was frustrated by a number of rough edges, including poor documentation and a failure of some components of the system to work together."
"Documentation"? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:"Documentation"? (Score:5, Informative)
The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else should have documentation.
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According to Apple, if your iOS app needs documentation, you did it wrong and you need to fix it.
I tend to agree with them.
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Bah! Apple's first iPad releases certainly had rough edges on it. Even still suffers in some places and to say Apple got it right is certainly not my opinion.
Chromebook no nothing about it, but my issue with Google as a whole is their lack of collaborative process with their applications, you can tell even to this day that Google Analytics was built completely different to Google Docs ad that Google Maps and Google Docs are not built the same way and that Google Mail and Google Maps is not built in the same
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Most people won't read Google's either, so what was your point exactly?
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I think his point is that he likes Apple a lot.
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His point is Apple is doing it less wrong than Google.
Specifically, you never hear a review of the iPad lamenting the lack of documentation. Yet that's one the issues the reviewer had with the Chromebook.
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I use my iPod about once a year and can never figure out how to turn it on or off. I feel like a n00b.
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I've got two issues with your comment.
One: the GPPP(whatever) was comparing the entire ChromeOS with and iOS app. It was ridiculous to begin with.
Two: I was exactly in the same situation as the author of the article - how to do a screen shot. For me it was on my iPod Touch. How the hell do you do that? I had to Google it to discover that Home button + Sleep Button will put a picture in the photos app. Not the most intuitive combo and there's no way you would figure that out without help or documentatio
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The docs are in the DNA.
Re:"Documentation"? (Score:5, Insightful)
take the word of one who has procreated: even the nipple is not an intuitive interface. A shocking large number of newborns (including my own daughter) need to be trained to nurse!
Yeah, it shocked me too.
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"Pic or it didn't happen" is more like evidence than documentation.
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And yet there's thousands of books about breast feeding. People take classes on it. People struggle with it because the baby won't latch on properly. Heck people make a living as a "lactation consultant".
So nothing is intuitive then?
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No.
The baby doesn't figure it out that's why it's such a damn struggle for some mothers. If the baby did then the mother wouldn't have to do anything but shove her breast near its mouth.
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Yep. The effort is needed to teach the mother how to teach the baby how to do it. And lots of mothers and babies find it all very challenging.
Oddly, in my experience puppies, kittens, lambs and calves don't have a problem with knowing how to feed immediately they're born, nor their mohers in helping them.
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Yep. The effort is needed to teach the mother how to teach the baby how to do it. And lots of mothers and babies find it all very challenging.
Oddly, in my experience puppies, kittens, lambs and calves don't have a problem with knowing how to feed immediately they're born, nor their mohers in helping them.
Very true, but human newborns are far more helpless in virtually every way, so that shouldn't be so surprising. And, frankly, I think all babies and new mothers can figure it out on their own. The main advantage of the instruction is in reducing the time, effort and frustration. New mothers tend to be (understandably) very uncertain and worried about every little problem, so they can find their baby's difficulty with nursing to be disheartening and even quite frightening.
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I like documents about those, too.
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Nipples aren't intuitive. They're instinctual. Which is why you have to be re-taught how to use them once you have teeth.
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Questions... (Score:5, Funny)
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f you have to ask 'can you really do serious work with them?' the answer is NO.
I know you're being facetious, but...
The device sounds great for travelling with its light weight and long battery life. It's a really good job that trains never go through tunnels or have sucky mobile reception. It's also good that all planes allow mobile phone usage and etc...
As for "real work", if your real work includes basic office-like tasks, and email via a webmail client, then sure. If not, then this doesn't sound like a
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It's still half again the weight of a Sony Vaio X + extra battery, which could last almost 10 hours [engadget.com].
Why don't they make them anymore? I was looking for a replacement for my Eee PC 901 (1.1 kg); the 2009-vintage Vaio X sounded great (0.7 kg, or 1 kg with the larger battery), but the best I found currently on the market was the MacBook Air (1 kg, half the battery life, not worth the change).
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How about a Let's Note R9 or J10 (J10 has wider screen and much faster CPU)? Both are less than 1kg (the J10 just barely less), and get looong battery life even without an extra battery.
I use the next larger model, the S9, and get about 7 hours of real-world usage with Ubuntu.
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Interesting, thanks. I couldn't find detailed specs in English, but they indeed seem lighter than the MacBook Air.
However, what I'd really been drooling about when checking out the Vaio X was the 0.7-kg weight without the extra battery. Even the R9 is over 0.9, and (to answer Anonymous' reply) so is the Eee PC X101. That's not light enough that I'd consider changing my current Eee PC.
Now, only tablets seem to be really lightweight, but they don't have a physical
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The R9 is light - I had the earlier version before my current machine and it really feels like the same size as a netbook, but being a full-featured laptop. I can have it in my bag and not know it's there (a problem in fact; I few times I forget it at home or at work and not realize it until I arrived).
I've considered a tablet, but they take as much weight and bulk as a similarly specced netbook. Add a portable keyboard and it's as heavy as, and bulkier than, the R9 or similar.
I'd look at a netbook if I wer
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it should get you what you seem to be looking for at a much, much smaller bill than the MacBook Air.
For Mac fanboys the bigger bill is all part of the experience.
Look at you with your totally gross Linux netbook, my MacBook LIghterThanAir cost seven times as much as your machine, plus it lets me tweet the actual smell of the coffee I am drinking to my friends on holiday in [insert name of this week's fashionable location].
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Of course, to be fair, the ancient Core2Duo still outruns the Atom processor, and the fact it has decent graphics instead of GMAcrap and SSD tend to make it more pleasant to use.
Then again, if a netbook is satisfying the OP just fine, then CPU horsepower and graphics probably aren't very high on the priority list, and neither is screen rAir's a 1366x768 on the 11" model, versus 1024x600 you get on most netbooks). Differing priorities, I suppose.
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Anybody who's serious about writing an app for Chrome OS should be using the offline storage APIs that are part of the HTML 5 family. I suspect the problem is not the deficiency of Chrome OS itself, but the fact that nobody is serious about writing apps for Chrome OS.
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All you need is a command line (Score:3)
I dunno, while I don't have a Chromebook I *do* do serious work with Chrome (the browser) every day and I'm not talking about web development. All you need to do serious work, is a decent terminal program:
http://vimeo.com/24857127 [vimeo.com]
Gate One should be available for public consumption soon. I hope to make it the best damned terminal program/SSH client that ever existed. It is already superior to PuTTY (as long as you don't need port forwarding or X11).
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I dunno, while I don't have a Chromebook I *do* do serious work with Chrome (the browser) every day and I'm not talking about web development. All you need to do serious work, is a decent terminal program:
http://vimeo.com/24857127 [vimeo.com]
Gate One should be available for public consumption soon. I hope to make it the best damned terminal program/SSH client that ever existed. It is already superior to PuTTY (as long as you don't need port forwarding or X11).
Unfortunately, port forwarding (specifically dynamic - using putty as a SOCKS proxy) is 95% of what makes PuTTY useful to me. Hell, it's what makes SSH useful - an SSH client which doesn''t support these functions is, in my view, not a terribly useful piece of software.
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It's interesting, it seems the author once to monazite the product. While that's his right and I wish him luck, I'm not paying for something that is free on every other OS I use.
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Yea, I really should read what the iphone decides I'm trying to say.
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Sounds like the PlayBook (Score:2)
So will all the pundits in the world now scream about the impending death of Google?
Note, the iPad 1 on launch day needed just as much polish as all the new tablets do. Apple has had a long time to fix stuff, which they have. Kudos to them! They also haven't had the panic pressure of trying to play catch up feature-wise and fix issues at the same time. Sometimes first to market *is* a good thing.
(repost: seems this terminal dropped my cookies)
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No doubt both Google and Samsung will rapidly improve the Chromebook. In a year it might be a pretty good machine.
That being said, it should never have gone out the door with some of the bugs TFA describes (.doc is an unknown file type? Really?) Google's "eternal beta" approach is okay for some things, like Gmail because, you know, it's an e-mail server. Also, free. For an entire not-cheap hardware/OS combination, it may not be such a great idea.
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No doubt both Google and Samsung will rapidly improve the Chromebook. In a year it might be a pretty good machine.
How? As long as it can only run a web browser, there's only so much you can fix. One of the most fundamental limitations of web based applications is a lack of integration with the desktop. Something you take for granted like double-clicking on a file and opening up the appropriate application is a really big deal when your only application is a web browser. How do you unzip files? How do you watch downloaded movies? These are all things that we take for granted on regular system but suddenly they become bi
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the Chromebook is not a tablet
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So will all the pundits in the world now scream about the impending death of Google?
Of course not because everyone knows that their business does not depend on Chromebook. They're not even trying to sell it themselves. They just wrote the browser and integrated it with a LInux kernel. Google doesn't have a whole lot to lose, really. Of course, they don't have a lot to gain either.
Note, the iPad 1 on launch day needed just as much polish as all the new tablets do.
First, Chromebook is NOT a tablet. People will be comparing it to a laptop. And by those standards it fails miserably. Netbooks have been out for years and they are far more capable than a Chromebook. Chromebook h
Can you develop on it? (Score:2, Interesting)
Thats the only question I care about, can I work on my projects?
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Thats the only question I care about, can I work on my projects?
Why would you want to?
It's called using the right tool for the job.
Re:Can you develop on it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you want to?
Because it looks like a pretty nice netbook.
It's called using the right tool for the job.
The tool in question is a generic CPU connected to all the usual laptop extras (screen, keyboard, mousr, USB, etc). In other words the machine is a fully featured laptop. This tool should be able to do anything that a similarly specced tool can do. If not, then it is artificially limited by poor software.
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Why would you want to?
Because it looks like a pretty nice netbook.
That begs the question. He's asking why you'd want to work on such a computer. Netbooks aren't exactly a pleasure to use even for the simplest of tasks, and software development is far from being the simplest of tasks.
It's called using the right tool for the job.
The tool in question is a generic CPU connected to all the usual laptop extras (screen, keyboard, mousr, USB, etc).
That's why a C64 and a quad Xeon workstation are wholly interchangeable.
In other words the machine is a fully featured laptop. This tool should be able to do anything that a similarly specced tool can do. If not, then it is artificially limited by poor software.
No, it's not a "fully featured laptop". And software *is* a spec. Is the Chromebook "artificially limited" if it can't read .doc files? No. An artificial limit (the way you seem to be using it) would be if it could, but th
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That begs the question. He's asking why you'd want to work on such a computer. Netbooks aren't exactly a pleasure to use even for the simplest of tasks, and software development is far from being the simplest of tasks.
That's your opinion. I travel frequently and use my eee 900 for software development when I do. It's good enough for the task.
That's why a C64 and a quad Xeon workstation are wholly interchangeable.
Those are both examples of entirely generic somputer systems. Sure, you wouldn't want to trade
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That begs the question. He's asking why you'd want to work on such a computer. Netbooks aren't exactly a pleasure to use even for the simplest of tasks, and software development is far from being the simplest of tasks.
That's your opinion. I travel frequently and use my eee 900 for software development when I do. It's good enough for the task.
"Good enough" is hardly "a pleasure to use". It would appear that, in spite of the tone of your reply, our opinions aren't all that far apart.
That's why a C64 and a quad Xeon workstation are wholly interchangeable.
Those are both examples of entirely generic somputer systems. Sure, you wouldn't want to trade, but both are unrestricted and both can and have been used for software development.
Since this whole post is about "why you'd want to", these differences are quite important. One of those is the right tool for the job, and the other most certainly isn't.
You can't claim they are equivalent, then point out one is better than the other. To do so is to move the goalposts. They may both be turing machines, but when you choose a development platform, you d
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You can always hit the developer switch on the bottom and load Ubuntu on it if you need...
The stock software *is* limited deliberately, and for good reason: It almost completely eliminates all virii and malware, and it certainly prevents it from persisting past reboot.
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You can always hit the developer switch on the bottom and load Ubuntu on it if you need...
So why not just get a netbook then and whatever OS you want? As I understand it, the underlying system on a Chromebok is NOT a full fledged LInux distribution.
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Well, you're getting it as a lightfweight, SSD-based netbook. You can either run it in limited but completely safe mode, or unlimited but dangerous mode. Take your pick.
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"dangerous" as in being able to run unsigned excecutables that can change the disk image, and thus potentially could be malware. See Android and Windows.
Of course, most of us choose to take that risk for extra control over our machines, though in some cases - A kiosk being a perfect example - having it locked down to a pre-set bunch of signed excecutables and read-only disk image is preferable: It's impossible to get malware, and you don't *want* people installing custom excecutables anyway!
Not to mention,
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"dangerous" as in being able to run unsigned excecutables that can change the disk image, and thus potentially could be malware. See Android and Windows.
I don't use either, but I'll consider it. Still, even on Windows and Android, simply running "unsigned" software is not especially dangerous. It is really only when you start doing it a lot. But if you have a pretty consistent set of tools your running on a day to day basis, there's really no issue. Saying it is "dangerous" is pretty dramatic.
Of course, most of us choose to take that risk for extra control over our machines, though in some cases - A kiosk being a perfect example - having it locked down to a pre-set bunch of signed excecutables and read-only disk image is preferable: It's impossible to get malware, and you don't *want* people installing custom excecutables anyway!
Exactly, there are ways to lock down a machine without resorting to doing everything inside a web browser. The issue isn't necessarily the ability to install new softw
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Well, the way I see it, they are allowing apps - They simply need to run inside the sandbox and be written with a specific language(in this case, html/js). Is this much different than Android was, until they allowed native code? Sure, the language is different, and there is more in the way of low-level functions, but I see them as fairly close.
Admittedly, a lot of functionality *won't* run completely as a "web app"... But I think they're trying to fix it by adding local storage and other important bits. And
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Well, the way I see it, they are allowing apps - They simply need to run inside the sandbox and be written with a specific language(in this case, html/js). Is this much different than Android was, until they allowed native code?
You mean until they allowed apps? Apple did the same thing. They thought the Safari on the phone would be all people would need, especially with the HTML extensions available to enhance websites for the phone. Turns out people really love apps. Now, why would you create a platform that goes out of its way to prevent people from installing the native apps they love? It is somewhat odd the Google didn't learn this lesson from Android.
Sure, the language is different, and there is more in the way of low-level functions, but I see them as fairly close.
Not even close, dude. Browser based programs are EXTREMELY limited in what t
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Why would you choose a chromebook over a normal netbook? That is a point. I wouldn't, unless Ik wanted the hardware. You wouldn't. But, what about corporate? I see the whole ChromeOS thing aimed mainly at corporations, because you don't have to worry about most infections, you don't really need to manually monitor each machine(IIRC, there's a great remote administration infrastructure). It seems like it would be a boon for high-turnover positons: Each can be issued a chromebook, get their own profile, and n
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Why would you choose a chromebook over a normal netbook? That is a point. I wouldn't, unless Ik wanted the hardware. You wouldn't. But, what about corporate? I see the whole ChromeOS thing aimed mainly at corporations, because you don't have to worry about most infections, you don't really need to manually monitor each machine(IIRC, there's a great remote administration infrastructure).
I want you to stop for a second and ask yourself why Windows has been so successful in business. Here's a hint: It isn't because WIndows can run a web browser. If infections were such a worry and native apps were not so important, Linux would have taken over corporate environments a long time ago.
It seems like it would be a boon for high-turnover positons: Each can be issued a chromebook, get their own profile, and not be tied to any one device. Also, losing the physical hardware shouldn't be a problem: Since everything's server side, you just write off the lost hardware, take out another from your stores, and keep working. I think this is the main benefit for these machines.
First of all, Chromebooks are not designed for heavy use. They're small, light and meant to be highly portable, not to be workhorses. You would not be assigning such a machine to your average office worker. You
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You probably wouldn't want to compile things directly on it, but it does have a terminal you can use to SSH into a better dev environment.
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You probably wouldn't want to compile things directly on it, but it does have a terminal you can use to SSH into a better dev environment.
But when someone suggests doing that on an iPad, they are a fanboy...
Why would you go with a Chromebook and SSHing into a text-only development environment over a proper solution? Oh, because it's from Google, so it's chic around here. Talk about the ultimate in form over function!
Yay cloud! er... (Score:2)
It seems like this cycle is due to repeat itself yet again.
Didn't the latest iteration come from Apple deciding that the iPhone was going to have only HTML, then relenting because it is a terrible idea?
Eventually they will realise that the chromebook will be lacking because it doesn't have native apps that start quickly and run quickly. Then after a while it will get native application support.
But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet? How much RAM does it have?
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But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it. There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
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But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it.
I assume you are referring to people by mass and not by unit numbers.
There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
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But the hardware sounds quite nice. Does it run a proper distro yet?
Yup. Tonnes of people do it.
I assume you are referring to people by mass and not by unit numbers.
There's a switch behind the battery to set it to developer mode, and it opens up the computer to all sorts of fun. IIRC, it's just an intel atom proc inside...
Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
... Yup. I was clearly talking literally about tonnes of people. Though I don't share your definition of "fun". Last I checked, "fun" and "powerful" were not synonyms.
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... Yup. I was clearly talking literally about tonnes of people.
It was a joke, based on a pun. I will spell it out for you:
Very few people run Linux. Even fewer people have a Chromebook. We're already limiting ourselves to mere thousands here.
Of those, the number that will have flipped that switch and installed their own Linux distro cannot in any reasonable sense be called "tonnes", except by mass.
Though I don't share your definition of "fun". Last I checked, "fun" and "powerful" were not synonyms.
I never said they were.
You can define "fun" for yourself however you want, but your post was clearly about "tonnes of people" having "all sorts of fun". Unless you are talki
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Atom is the bottom of the barrel. This thing is woefully underpowered to be called "fun".
You're right. You just stated that it was unable to attain fun because of a fundamental flaw (too underpowered). Small difference, but if you're unable to refute my argument as a whole, you can argue semantics, I suppose. Sure, the devil is in the details. But so are the asshats.
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Actually, HTML only apps were never the long term plan and that was pretty clear right from the start. Maybe you are thinking of something else.
It is true, however, that when the iPhone first came out, HTML apps were the only ones you could develop, but that is mostly because the SDK was not yet finished.
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Didn't the latest iteration come from Apple deciding that the iPhone was going to have only HTML, then relenting because it is a terrible idea?
Do you think that if an idea doesn't work at one point in time, it will never work in the future? A few things have changed in browsers since the original iphone. The two big issues with web apps on the iphone are solved in chrome:
* Offline support: The app cache, in browser database, localstorage, etc. allow a web page to be usable without an internet connection.
* Decent graphics: CSS3, WebGL, 3d canvas, and javascript being fast enough to make impressive graphics without polling.
Eventually they will realise that the chromebook will be lacking because it doesn't have native apps that start quickly and run quickly.
I see, you have not used
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With I had mod points. Totally right.
Hell, even Microsoft will try it with Windows 8...?
Serious Work... (Score:1)
a) limited screen space
b) limited input interface
i keep waiting for a star trek style interface, or maybe matrix style...... but no matter how many times I talk, yell or otherwise verbally abuse my computer, it NEVER complains and NEVER does what I ask.... stupid keyboards... so l
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Anyone who needs more power can simply flip the developer switch on the bottom and load a real OS / mess with root, etc.
Summarize for you (Score:2)
I'll summarize the article for you to save time:
Sunday: Had a problem with a website I like to access that has nothing to do with this hardware, but I felt like blaming it anyway. Kind of like kicking the dog when the local corporate owned sports team loses a game.
Monday: I'm the only person in america who prints stuff at home instead of forwarding it to work and I also pretend I only have access to exactly one computer, this one. (WTF?) And in an industry that only supports printing on winders, and sort
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As a hatchet job, it was fairly well written. As a technical standpoint, its basically a bug report about a single missing MIME-type that somehow dragged on to a 6 screen wall of text.
As a hatchet job, your post is fairly well written. As a summary of, or even a reasonable response to, the article, it's basically a spew of straw men, unsupported assertions, and mockery that isn't nearly as clever as you think it is.
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Buddy, you hit the nail on the head.
I guess we've long passed the point where you can take any review or opinion article of any kind at face value without trying to suss out the agenda of the author.
There's so much money in corporate hands right now, I'm not sure if there's a single writer, blogger or journalist left in America that isn't doing public relations, astroturfing, hit pieces or "reputation rehab" for one corporation or another. Nobody seems capable of just giving their own opinion any more. Or
Re:Summarize for you (Score:5, Insightful)
Sunday: Had a problem with a website I like to access that has nothing to do with this hardware, but I felt like blaming it anyway. Kind of like kicking the dog when the local corporate owned sports team loses a game.
It has everything to do with the hardware if the only way to access POP mail on this specific hardware is to set it up to work with Gmail (or some other Webmail service). Real-world users may have to confront this issue.
Monday: I'm the only person in america who prints stuff at home instead of forwarding it to work and I also pretend I only have access to exactly one computer, this one
You may find you have not yet met everyone in America. I print stuff at home, and I would even if I didn't have a home office. I also have more than one computer. I have a networked printer that lets me print wirelessly from any device with the correct drivers, which are available for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux (yes, from the manufacturer). There are no drivers available for the Chromebook. Instead I have to use Google Cloud Print, which means leaving some other computer running as a print spooler for my (already-networked) printer. That's dumb. You also lose all of your controls for the printer when you print that way -- you can't set print quality options or anything like that. If you print often, the Chromebook is lame, period.
Tuesday: I hate all touchpads made in the last decade and this has a touchpad therefore I hate it.
That's not what he said. He said the Chromebook's touchpad is lame, and he's right. It's big, but fidgety. It's multi-touch, but it doesn't support any kind of gestures beyond clicking and scrolling.
Wednesday: To do something complicated, I had to use google to look something up.
I think he points out succinctly how poorly designed the Chromebook UI is. If you have to go on Google to find out some obscure Ctrl-sequence to do something, because there's no manual and no online help to point you in the right direction (you even have to Google the hotkey to bring up the list of hotkeys), then the device is not intuitive and casual users -- probably the only kind of users this type of device will ever have -- will have problems with it.
Thursday: I found a single missing MIME type. A legit complaint.
It's not a missing MIME type. The Chromebook file browser can't browse files. The only file types it understands, that I can see, are JPEG, PNG, MP3, MP4, and OGG. AVI is not supported. Neither is DOC, PPT, XLS, or the OOXML equivalents. Even ZIP files don't work. Pretty much every single file type you might save on the Chromebook's drive shows up as a simple grey icon, and double-clicking it achieves nothing but a message telling you the file type is unknown.
Friday: I know this is a netbook for online work, so I'm gonna trash it for not doing local stuff very well.
Really? And here I thought he was complaining that it wouldn't work with Dropbox, which is an online service. He's also right about the local file handling. Are you really telling me you don't ever expect a coworker to hand you a USB drive with a few files on it? With the Chromebook, you won't be able to do anything with those files until you upload them to Google Docs, and if they're in a Zip file on the USB drive, you're going to have to find another computer or ask someone to open it for you.
As a hatchet job, it was fairly well written. As a technical standpoint, its basically a bug report about a single missing MIME-type that somehow dragged on to a 6 screen wall of text
So kind of like how your wife doesn't listen to a thing you say, throws out straw-man arguments, and keeps repeating them over and over when there's nothing else to disagree with, you're gonna do the same thing your wife does?
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It's not a missing MIME type. The Chromebook file browser can't browse files. The only file types it understands, that I can see, are JPEG, PNG, MP3, MP4, and OGG. AVI is not supported.
Actually, it supports quite a few file formats (not sure exactly which). The problem is that it only supports a few file EXTENSIONS. As long as you rename your media files to have an extension that for some bizarre reason Google likes, it works fine most of the time.
So yes, it is lame, but not for the reason you think.
Clearly Chrome has a way to go. However, I do find mine fairly useful. Not sure I'd pay $500 for it unless I had a small business that was largely based on Google Apps.
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I'll summarize the article for you to save time:
You mean you'll attempt to discredit it so your precious Google's image remains intact? You sound like a Google devotee who will throw all your money at them, advertise their products for free, and defend them against bad press, no matter what garbage they put out..
Hate to break it to you, but the complexity of dealing with non-Google email is a ding on Chrome OS, and is a design decision they made, and is an important criteria. People do print stuff. At home too. Missing MIME-types for some of the most com
The real question should be... (Score:4, Interesting)
Is a web browser worth $350-$500
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Cloud Print on linux (Score:5, Informative)
$ git clone https://github.com/armooo/cloudprint.git
Cloning into cloudprint...
remote: Counting objects: 109, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (107/107), done.
remote: Total 109 (delta 47), reused 0 (delta 0)
Receiving objects: 100% (109/109), 31.77 KiB, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (47/47), done.
$ cd cloudprint
$ root python setup.py install
[snip]
$ root pip-python install daemon
Downloading/unpacking daemon
Running setup.py egg_info for package daemon
Installing collected packages: daemon
Running setup.py install for daemon
Successfully installed daemon
$ cloudprint -d
Skipping test-raw
Updated Printer test-1020
Updated Printer test-c310dn
Updated Printer mc2530
Updated Printer mc1600Wc
Updated Printer aaaa
Updated Printer mc2300c
Updated Printer test-1500
Updated Printer test-okiC110
Updated Printer test-clp315
Updated Printer cp1025nw
Updated Printer test-p1505
Updated Printer xrx6110
Updated Printer test
Updated Printer test-Oki-C3100
Updated Printer p1505n
Updated Printer test-p1102
Updated Printer test-cp1025
Updated Printer test-C3300
Updated Printer test-1680MF
Updated Printer clp315
Updated Printer test-hp2600
Updated Printer hp1020
Updated Printer p1102w
Updated Printer HP-LaserJet-Professional-P1102w
Updated Printer hp2600
Updated Printer cp1215
Updated Printer p1102-hpcups
Updated Printer Cups-PDF
Updated Printer test-clp300
Updated Printer GnomeManualDuplex
Updated Printer p1005
Updated Printer test-m1319
Updated Printer HP-LaserJet-1000
Updated Printer test-p2035
Updated Printer mc2530c
Updated Printer xrx6110c
Updated Printer test-CLP-610
Updated Printer test-KM-1635
$
Then:
$ firefox http://www.google.com/cloudprint/manage.html
And on your Android tablet:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pauloslf.cloudprint
Works good here.
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Grandma is going to have to learn to use git and python packaging tools so that she can print a document! And this garbage is supposed to compete with Microsoft and Apple? It's not even cheap. LMAO.
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You don't understand.
This is the year of ChromeOS on the desktop!
persistant WiFi? yeh right (Score:1)
back on subject, I'd like to see a test done in the real world were there isn't p
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You're fly like a G3, son.
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I have a Lenovo laptop with trackpoint and trackpad. I, for one, *always* use the trackpoint for pointing, as it's way more precise and quick to use. Trackpad gets used for scrolling, though - it's great for that.
I will never voluntarily buy a trackpad only laptop. A touchscreen, on the other hand... That's fine. But a trackpad just isn't a good option - Not for gaming, not for web browsing or anything else.
I can play FPS games with a trackpoint decently well; I wouldn't even *think* of using a trackpad for
Arrogant journalist....that has no meat. (Score:5, Insightful)
So Mr. Vaughan-Nichols has a very high opinion of himself.....and yet somehow with one of the simpler platforms it took him seven days to figure out what he can nail in 4 hours with a complex OS. Read the article....wasn't impressed. Sounded like journalist drivel. All fluff and no meat.
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Yes. i also thought that he has a too high opinion about himself.
It starts by seeing himself as a typical test case, despite having computing habits which are not typical at all (dual-boot instead, using POP instead of IMAP etc.).
It is especially tragic that he tests for a full replacement of his desktop OS because its obvious that chrome OS is *strictly mainstream* for a *specific purpose*. Its not meant to be a replacement for a fully fledged desktop OS, but a streamlined web browsing and web application
But will it run linux? (Score:3)
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"Now that it's finally here"...? (Score:4, Informative)
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Maybe it's because I don't play WoW or some shit in my parents basement - but for what I do, email, surfing, music - it's perfect. Instant on, and iPad battery life (the cr-48 anyways).
Must be you because at any given time, I have half dozen programs running that are NOT a web browser. A netbook would be the closest approximation to something useful for me. A Chromebook is just stupid. A $500 web browser. I could buy a $500 netbook that will run most programs I need including a web browser.
It DOES have local storage, GPS, Bluetooth, etc. Just get r00t, weenies...
What good does local storage do you if it doesn't have the software to do anything useful with the files? And if you're just going to root it to run apps locally, why not get a netbook and run Chrome on
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Why should I reboot more often than that? I put it to sleep when not in use. And it is OS X. I don't get system updates very often.
The cool thing to do on Slashdot is drool over anything that Google puts out.
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A 500$ netbook is in no way so fast given the bloat of Windows.
Oh please. The "bloat" of Windows won't affect your Chrome experience from one system to the other. Isn't it still Windows XP? By today's standards, XP is pretty light. If you don't like it, install some minimal Linux distribution. Get a little extra RAM or something. RAM is cheap.
You loose your netbook and you loose quite a bit of information.
Only as much as you choose to store on it and don't backup. There are ways to keep your local files sync'd with the "cloud." .And of course you can still use the same web services as you can with a Chromebook. But I guess having l
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You know, I still have a desktop that has a half dozen programs running that are not in a web browser. I wouldn't dream of going without it. Even so, what device gets the most use? My CR-48. Most of the time all I want to do is look up some quick youtube clip, send an email, waste some time on Google Reader, or check Facebook/G+/whatever. The cr-48 is lighter, has (some) free wifi (and tethers for the rest), and has great battery life.
Sure, but that's what a netbook is for. You can run Chrome AND apps on a netbook. You've basically paid $500 for a crippled netbook. And that's just stupid. I hope you didn't pay for that Chromebook out of your own pocket.
So for you, yeah, maybe a chromebook isn't going to cut it. But I'd definitely tell my mom to get a chromebook
You'd be doing her an injustice. But whatever, if yo uwant to handle questions like "Why can't I run this Java game?" "Why can't I install an IM client?" That's up to you. If she's got a Mac, she likely has everything she needs.
Hell, she has a mac now and never uses any of the trackpad gestures
Right, because trackbpad gestures are what make a Mac a Mac /r
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the Chromebook is not a tablet.
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the Chromebook is not a tablet.
How about if you break the keyboard off?