Cell Phone Use Tied To Changes In Brain Activity 191
Takichi writes "The New York Times is reporting on research linking cell phone use and increased metabolism, with high statistical significance, in the areas of the brain close to the antenna. The study was led by Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and is published (abstract) in the Journal of the American Medical Association. The impact, good or bad, of the increased stimulation is speculative, but this research shows there is a direct relationship between cell phone signals and the brain that warrants further study."
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The impact, good or bad, of the increased stimulation is speculative (...)
I'm speechless!
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It doesn't look like they even used a control group of people doing nothing, people just talking, people talking with the phone on the other side of their head, etc. From the pics all you can tell is that basically a lot of the brain is more active after an hour on the phone, not just the spot next to the antenna. Why are researchers so clueless?
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Hmm okay actually having read the article and not just looking at the picture, the results are more interesting, but I'd also like to know what happened if they tried the same thing with the left phone rather than the right. It could be something as simple as the phone gets warmer, increasing the rate of chemical reactions on that side of the brain.
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TFA claims that the study is high quality and if they can get reasonable results from 47 people, they had to see a substantive difference. Still and all, it's a relatively easy experiment to repeat and I assume that is in progress as we speak. I'd like to see some better controls (both left and right active, a determination of how repeatable the fMRI values are in a given person over a couple of hours just to name two off the top of my head).
As everyone has been taking great pains to note, this doesn't show anything but a putative effect of putting an active cell phone next to your head - it's neither good nor bad and it's not necessarily due to the radio emissions (that's an assumption).
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It could be something as simple as the phone gets warmer, increasing the rate of chemical reactions on that side of the brain.
From TFA (stolen from another AC [slashdot.org]):
They said the activity was unlikely to be associated with heat from the phone because it occurred near the antenna rather than where the phone touched the head.
Not relevant. Microwave amplifiers are not known for high efficiencies. So most of the battery energy goes into heating the handset circuit board up. The rest goes into the antenna, of which some fraction will go into simple thermal RF tissue heating (see radio-diathermy or just diathermy).
Dumping a couple milliwatts of RF generated thermal energy into the side of your head has about the same effect as dumping a couple milliwatts of natural gas generated thermal energy into the side of your head, in othe
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And apparently no control group talked on a land line (wired either).
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>>>It doesn't look like they even used a control group of people doing nothing
Yes they did.
>>>people just talking
Yes they did.
>>>people talking with the phone on the other side of their head
Yes they did.
It helps if you actually READ the article, since the researchers tested the phone on both sides of the head, with the phone turned off, and with the phone turned on, and observed the brain only reactived with the phone turned on (and on whichever side it was located).
>>>Why are researchers so clueless?
They are not.
You however are.
Sorry but you posted the post, and I'm just responding in kind.
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Yeah, I might one day learn to RTFA properly. Still, they only tested with the phone on the right side switched on, they didn't do the left. Considering it was far more than just the part near the antennae that was active after the hour with the phone on, I think it would have been better to test both sides, maybe even try the phone at the front too.
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And what further conclusion do you think one could draw if one did a test with the 'left side switched on' as well?
IMHO, this is obviously piloting for a broader approach to raise funds.
CC.
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And what further conclusion do you think one could draw if one did a test with the 'left side switched on' as well?
To see if the effect really was strongest at the point closest to the antenna, or if that was just a coincidence.
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CC.
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no control for RF vs just being "on" (e.g. in airplane mode)... may have nothing to do with wireless/RF radiation at all...
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Yes, I invoked Godwin's Law. But in this case it is entirely justified. Since the study did not control for obvious possible alternate causes, in this case correlation really does not imply causation -- at all. Not even a little.
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If there isn't a name for it, there should be. But in this case I was fully justified in bringing the principle up.
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Probably just some modder who doesn't like me. There are a few such.
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Actually, they did use a reference condition with another device that didn't involve radio waves. It was a cell phone turned off. This is a much more appropriate control than what you suggest, and is a pretty good control for this study. Listening to recordings on headphones would be a very poorly chosen control condition, for obvious reasons.
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The part of the temporal lobe they found was in/near the temporal pole, which is not particularly related to hearing.
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Actually, both researchers and and the NIH are reasonably clever, for the most part (and they're the same people, by the way). The clueless people are idiots who have no scientific training or experience whatsoever and think they can offer appropriate scientific criticisms of a study they haven't read.
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Well thankfully we know the report is completely bogus because repeatedly over the last decade various slashdotters have rabidly and repeatedly insisted, despite lots and lots of evidence to the contrary, this is impossible because all of the radiation is completely blocked by skin and therefore impossible to interact with anything other than skin.
Goes to show what has become common today, popular ignorance is still ignorance.
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*facepalm*
Hey, look, there goes jesus on a triceratops!
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The heat from the phone could have some effect, just like the heat from a laptop on a lap decrease the sperm quality
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"Goes to show what has become common today, popular ignorance is still ignorance."
This study does absolutely nothing to show that the increased brain activity is caused by radio waves. It could just as easily be due to the sound entering only one ear. If they had controlled for such obvious alternate causes, this "study" might have actually demonstrated something interesting. But since they didn't... it didn't.
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Yes, you are correct. I did not see "(sound muted)" the first time I read the abstract.
It is too bad, in a way. I was all set to point out that while the brain activity was correlated to the EM field strength, it would likely have also correlated strongly with auditory processing, since a lot of it happens in the temporal lobe right by the ear.
Ah, well. At least it shows that I was practicing my critical thinking.
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Cell phone use linked to weight loss!!
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Yes this is a POOR article. The Summary I submitted was better:
LINK - http://sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/70134/title/Cell_phones_may_affect_brain_metabolism [sciencenews.org]
"47 participants had pairs of Samsung cell phones strapped to their heads, one on each side. The phone on the left ear was turned off, while the one on the right received a 50-minute recorded message. This phone was kept muted so that the subject didnâ(TM)t know which phone was on, and also to prevent stimulation of the brainâ(TM)s hearing
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The sciencenews article was shorter and better explained the research paper, but what I'd really prefer is to be able to read that paper. Anyone have a link for a free version?
Meh (Score:3)
Why bother?
With all that electromagnetic pollution our great-grandchildren will be born with at least three arms anyway.
Cell phones are making us smarter! (Score:2)
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First world countries? You don't travel much do you.
Phones conquered the entire planet years ago.
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Only if your cellphone rates are stupidly high.
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...which is especially true in a lot of 3rd world countries (Africa, Caribbean, some South American countries)
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maybe the heat? (Score:2)
It seems to me that the result could be caused by the slight heating of the brain due to absorption of some of the RF energy. I wonder what would happen if they re-did the study but used earmuffs instead of cell phones.
"Knowing when its about to ring" (Score:4, Interesting)
I've lost count of the time I've looked at my mobile seconds before it is about to ring.
This is completely unscientific, but I am convinced my brain has "learned" to recognise the
electromagnetic interference caused by the phone just before its about to ring or receive a message.
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at night or dusk, i will walk by street lights and they will flicker on or off
i think i've turned into an RF generator
all kidding aside, the street lights DO flicker on or off as i near them. i'm sufficiently spooked about it
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I used to live in Australia, and never noticed that. I then moved to the US and started noticing that happen. Maybe the US constructs their lights using something that is sensitive to a person's RF.
Do you also have problems using battery-powered watches?
Re:"Knowing when its about to ring" (Score:5, Interesting)
and do you count the times where you look at your cellphone without it ringing later on?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias [wikipedia.org]
entanglement is more likely (Score:2)
Quantum Entanglement [wikipedia.org].
Slashdot featured a related story a few weeks back: Research Finds That Electric Fields Help Neurons Fire [slashdot.org].
All matter is subject to quantum field effects. Human bodies are composed of matter. Is it really such a stretch to wonder if humans really do experience entanglement all the time, such as when you think about someone just before they do call?
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Deepak Chopra strikes again.
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Quantum Entanglement [wikipedia.org].
Slashdot featured a related story a few weeks back: Research Finds That Electric Fields Help Neurons Fire [slashdot.org].
How is "research finds that electric fields help neurons fire" related to quantum entanglement? You don't need quantum mechanics to describe electromagnetic fields. Maxwell came up with his equations long before there was such a thing as quantum theory.
All matter is subject to quantum field effects. Human bodies are composed of matter. Is it really such a stretch to wonder if humans really do experience entanglement all the time, such as when you think about someone just before they do call?
Yes. Yes it is.
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It's much more likely that you're just hearing some lower-frequency harmonics from the RF. Something similar to what causes cell phones to create noise on a radio or a speakerphone, even when they're just sitting idle next to it.
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Looks like a valid claim for the JREF's million dollar challenge.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html [randi.org]
Get your ability tested under a proper scientific experimental protocol and you could win a cool million dollars. Who knows, if you're right we may discover wonderful things about the human brain. If you're wrong, well, you're wrong, and it's ok not to have a special power.
Using Your Head (Score:2)
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Loads of people still talk on the phone for hours, holding it. I can't stand that either and I have a variety of hands free kit to prevent it as well. But judging from all the dipshits I've seen walking down the sidewalk all funny while talking on the phone, or driving like an asshole while talking on the phone (I look at the face of every driver it's convenient to look at in an attempt to gauge their emotional state, so I see if they're holding a phone to their head, and virtually everyone driving while ho
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PET/MRI and statistics are poor bed partners (Score:4, Interesting)
This study involved computer based analysis using PET scan data*. Similar studies have often been shown to have overstated or no real statistical significance**. With only 47 participants this study has, in my eyes, about the same validity as the average undergrad study.
Unfortunately tomorrow it will be in all the newspapers to prove that cell phones cause cancer (ironically this study was done with ionising radiation, whose cancer causing effects are well known).
* I am a pysch student and these studies are the ban of my existence. They mostly have the same validity for studying human behaviour as the old method of making shit up based on observation. However they seem much more "sciency" to funding committees.
** http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/57091/title/Odds_Are,_Its_Wrong [sciencenews.org]
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With only 47 participants this study has, in my eyes, about the same validity as the average undergrad study.
I'd love to know what kind of experimental psychology you do that typically runs so many hundreds of participants that you see 47 subjects as equivalent to an undergrad project.
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(ironically this study was done with ionising radiation, whose cancer causing effects are well known).
wait, what? how did they get the cellphone to emit ionizing radiation?!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography#Safety [wikipedia.org]
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I think he's talking about the PET scan.
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PET scans involve injecting radioactive sugar into the bloodstream of the person being tested.
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Using other figures from the abstract I approximate their type II probability using the following
approximate critical t value (from the t-table in Wackerly's Mathematical Statistics) 1.96 for 46 df
t confidence interval
4.2 = 2.435 + 1.96*se
implies se =
since se = std.dev./sqrt(n) (recall n=47)
std. dev. = 6.1736 (approximately)
The effect size (d)
Re:PET/MRI and statistics are poor bed partners (Score:4, Interesting)
"This study involved computer based analysis using PET scan data*. Similar studies have often been shown to have overstated or no real statistical significance**. With only 47 participants this study has, in my eyes, about the same validity as the average undergrad study."
I don't think any of those things mean what you seem to think they mean. *
(1) On PET scan data not having "validity" -- skeptical. Citation needed.
(2) On the linked article of science paper statistical shortfalls -- there are some good cautionary points in that article. The article does not say that similar studies have been shown to have "no real statistical significance" (in fact, just the opposite). I challenge you to point out specific statistical pitfalls (from your linked article) of which this abstract runs afoul? Because I don't see any.
(3) 47 participants is perfectly reasonable, since the accepted number for a t-test as done in the study is considered to be 30 or more (hence generating an approximately-normal sampling distribution of sample mean results, per the Central Limit Theorem, assuming no outliers found in the obtained data). The strength of the evidence obtained is reflected in the calculation of P = 0.004 (which is super, super low, i.e., enormously significantly significant), not by your hand waving about what should count "in your eyes".
* I'm a lecturer in college statistics.
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Do you have some basis for saying that 47 participants is too few? If you think you do, then I urge you to do some more careful reading of your texts on power analysis. And I specifically urge you to read some of the many fine articles by statisticians on the evils of retrospective power analysis. The bottom line of all this is that once the study is done, and there are findings, it doesn't matter if it had too few subjects. Either the statistics are valid or they're not. In this case, they're... well
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i'd say 50-100 grand is a small price to pay if we are to even get closer to a conclusion about whether a device used by billions of people is a significant health risk or not.
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Problem is, we're no closer to that conclusion than we are before.
All we know is there's *some* effect. Whether it's good for us, bad for us, we don't know, and the study doesn't attempt to even answer it, other than saying "further study is required". Not that it was a waste of time or money, since it shows the brain is somehow respo
In a related story... (Score:2, Funny)
A major decrease in brain activity has been linked to using phones' "SMS" feature.
well duh, this is how a microwave oven works (Score:2)
the question of course is if there is any health significance to minutely cooking your brain. the human body can take certain mechanical, chemical, thermal, radiation, or other abuses, with constant exposure, resulting in no changes whatsoever. while at the same time, other types of the same kind of abuses, to the tiniest of degrees, have serious health consequences
the only thing you can really say is beware anyone who can say for certain that the effect is completely harmless, or definitely harmful. they a
reminds me, when i was a dumb teenager (Score:2)
i worked on a tour boat. i would go on the roof of the boat, and lie out in the sun... right under the rotating radar. i said i was a dumb teenager. i wonder if my testicles produce viable sperm...
Replace "cell phone use" with... (Score:2)
FUD...as usual (Score:2)
The 'increased metabolic rate' noted is trivial, and generally below the level of normal system variation (or variations tied to autonomic processes that we're not comprehensively aware of...ie 'static noise').
You can get an order of magnitude more metabolic change in the visual processing centers by opening your eyes, for example. Temperature changes, interest level, even something as transient boredom can cause the metabolic rate in specific areas of the brain to fluctuate wildly.
In fact, just the warmth
Who? (Score:2)
>director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse
Not to go all ad-hominem, but I'm just supposed to take some political hack's word for it?
Also: 47 people in the study.
not_large_enough_sample_and_no_controls_in_experiment.pdf.jpg.txt.bat
Bad science leads to scare mongering at best.
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BMO
Gut reaction (Score:2)
This should be interesting for what happens next. James Burke said in Connections "Gut reaction is all you have to go on when you don't understand something and it's almost always dangerously wrong." This study is flawed in many ways and inconclusive in all ways but one. But no amount of scientific explanation and reality checking will prevent ignorant and uninformed people from drawing the wrong conclusions, making judgments, and passing laws based on those conclusions.
Was it an iPhone? (Score:2)
Maybe they were holding it wrong?
Any Neurologists care to comment? (Score:2)
Would a 2.4 micromole per minute change in glucose metabolism in the orbitofrontal cortex and temporal pole region be of any practical significance? What is the expected value and what is considered "normal" (perhaps not in the statistical sense) variation for glucose metabolism you'd see in a PET scan in this part of the brain in general?
I get that the study shows that it is statistically significant (they use a two sample t-test and some version of ANOVA for multiple c
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the metabolic change in and of itself is inconsequential. But the fact that, if true on face value, there *is* a difference means that *something* *may* be going on. What it is, may well also be unimportant... or not... this finding, if it holds up at all, is just the beginning... Personally, I am not sure that sufficient controls were done to be absolutely sure that the effect, if real, is due to RF radiation.
RF or just EM? (airplane mode?) (Score:2)
I didn't see anywhere where the researchers controlled for just general EM from the device that is "on", not specifcally RF at either 850Mhz or 1900Mhz (which they should also differentiate between). Does this happen when *any* electronic device, particularly those with CPUs, clocks, inductors, etc is on near the head?
BTW, neurons are exquisitely sensitive to small variations in activity and firing rate of neighboring neurons. So the fact there is apparently NO PERCEPTUAL effect to these reported metabolic
From the paper (Score:2)
Re:Could it be something else? (Score:4, Insightful)
The call was muted to avoid any issues with the sound causing an increase in brain activity.
What i'd like to know is how close was the phone to the ear? They said the part of the brain closest to the antenna showed the increase in activity but if the phone is that close to the head then it seems entirely possible that it was affected by the heat ahone generates in a 50 minute phone call.
I feel like they should redo the experiment, actually do something where the antenna is seperate from the phone body and next to the brain. Also why not test multiple scenarios, left phone on in a call, right phone on in a call, both phones in a call, both phones off, both phones on, etc. This experiment just tested both phones on, both phones off and right phone on. It seems kind of half assed.
Re:Could it be something else? (Score:5, Informative)
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it seems entirely possible that it was affected by the heat ahone generates in a 50 minute phone call [...] they should redo the experiment, actually do something where the antenna is seperate from the phone body and next to the brain.
The problem would then be that the microwaves themselves will generate heat in the brain, leading to some metabolic perturbation.
Supposing our body does not contain "rectifying" biological structures (an "organic diode") able to work at nanosecond time constants, can we please stop discovering dielectric heating [microwaves101.com] and investigate whether the heating itself affects our brain?
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There should have been a placebo group holding an equally hot phone not making any calls, just to rule out stuff like: heat, the actual holding of the phone, psychological effects, etc. Everything is better when it is double-blind. I didn't read the article, though :).
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Maybe it was actually caused by the phones being muted? Since the you're so used to hearing something when a phone is placed against your ear, and you often spend a moderate effort trying to separate the sound from the phone from background noise, maybe the lack of any sound at all made their brains try extra hard to listen for the expected sound.
A nice control would be some non-cellphone device that looked and acted like a phone, could be either muted or not, but only played a pre-recorded message and didn
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>>>Too lazy to RTFA, did they move the antenna away from the speaker, or is it possible that the sound waves or even the brain interpreting the sound from the ear, is responsible for the increase?,
Too lazy to AYQ.
(shrug)
Okay fine. The sound was muted. It said that ITFA.
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And how exactly that has to do with the article? If you read the abstract, they took the subjects, put a cellphone near each ear. Measured the metabolism of brain tissue (using PET-FDG) when both were OFF and when only the right phone was ON. The phones were muted at all times. This way they got control values of one ear against the other and of the same region when the cellphone was ON versus OFF.
Now re-read your comment and try to apply it to the research.
They did a seemingly well-designed research with
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So what you're saying is "Solar Power FTW!".
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people with faster metabolisms get more done, use their phone more often. people with slow metabolisms are sloths.
The lives of insects scurrying around in darkness are measured in days, the lives of trees basking in sunshine are measured in centuries.
Parent isn't offtopic, it's just written too poetically for one moderator to understand.
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weren't listening? or were listening to silence? most phones still put out some low volume "white noise" while muted, did they control for that?
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Well, usually science starts with finding something and then finding what it does and later why it does that. You usually don't find a single study that finds a phenomenon, shows its effects and what causes it. When you do find such a study, we usually criticize it for bad science and jumping to conclusions.
The researchers at this study found some nice results (scientifically speaking) and dis not resort to FUD to garner more attention. It's now up to further studies to find out the effects of these finding
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"And who would be the first to go? Chatty, useless people who spend all their time talking on the phone and doing nothing useful."
I like the cut of your jib.
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Put the slap-chop in the taint area so that you can do squats and slap-chop things at the same time!
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The article fails to mention that the areas closest to the ear are also the areas associated with speech and auditory processing, but the figure in the NYT story is very unclear about the specific location in which the "increased metabolism" occurs.
The procedure was "Cell phones were placed on the left and right ears and positron emission tomography with (18F)fluorodeoxyglucose injection was used to measure brain glucose metabolism twice, once with the right cell phone activated (sound muted) for 50 minutes
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I've read the JAMA article. They report effects in the temporal pole, which is in the temporal lobe, but not that part that's associated with auditory processing. There are also frontal lobe effects, not too near the part of the frontal lobe that's directly involved in speech. It's also hard to argue that the effect is due to listening, because subjects didn't know when the phones were on or off, and for the results to have worked out, they'd have to have been listening more when the phones were on than
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I have the same experience..
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I used to think it was some kind of anticipatory false-positive response until I started to get the feeling when I knew my phone wasn't in my pocket.
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It entirely depends on your definition of radiation, I guess. Electro-magnetic field radiation (strength) is what they found correlated with brain glucose metabolism.
As opposed to gamma ray radiation induced by positron emission, the factor used to detect said brain glucose metabolism.
I wonder if they considered possible interactions between the tomography equipment and the radio-frequency fields of the cell phones. There may be none, but I know so little I am free to speculate impossibilities...