Windows Phone 7 To Get Multi-Tasking, IE9, Xbox Integration 266
geek4 writes "Microsoft is planning to introduce multi-tasking and full integration with Internet Explorer 9 in future updates to its Windows Phone 7 mobile operating system later this year. IE9 on Windows Phone 7 will use the same core browsing engine as on PCs. Microsoft also talked about the importance of multi-tasking, and claims it can now offer fast task switching without causing serious detriment to the battery life. In particular, Microsoft said, this will improve the experience of using third party applications. In a demo, a Microsoft engineer showed how a music application called 'Slacker' could keep music playing in the background while the user moved between different applications. By holding down the 'back' button, users can also see all their recently accessed applications, allowing them to switch easily between them."
Microsoft also demonstrated how they're integrating WP7 with Xbox 360 consoles, showing a video of players using their phones as an auxiliary touchscreen controller to interact with a Kinect game.
Multi-tasking (Score:2, Troll)
The 90s called, asking for its unique selling point back.
Re:Multi-tasking (Score:4, Insightful)
Reversion (Score:2)
If you're counting previous versions of Windows Mobile... they could multitask before Apple even put out the iPhone.
Right, but now they can't.
So what the hell is your point?
That one company is advancing.
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Multi-tasking (Score:5, Interesting)
Multitasking on mobile devices is a different problem than multitasking on desktops. With a desktop, the challenges are primarily allocating memory and CPU. With mobile devices, network and battery are the resources that need to be optimized. So with a desktop app, you can shove it int he background, give it limited cpu cycles and memory without any architectural changes. With mobile devices, it is a lot harder to limit because you don't want the CPU running all the time and even if nothing else is using the network connection, letting some background app use it constantly will result in draining the user's battery and potentially costing them data usage fees.
A good example is push based notifications. If applications ping a server regularly to see if they have updates or if there is a message, that uses a lot more of both resources than if it subscribes to a network service that notifies the device when the same event occurs. The problem is, the former is easier to code and the way developers are used to doing things on desktops where they don't have to worry about battery and data nearly as much.
So when Microsoft says they are adding in support for multitasking, does that mean:
In short, multitasking for mobile devices is a difficult problem, with different challenges from traditional multitasking on desktops. Google engineers have repeatedly stated that they consider multitasking and battery life problems to be one of their greatest challenges and current failings. Microsoft announcing that they're coming out with something is, then interesting, although it may be a poor clone of one of the other vendors' implementations.
Re: (Score:2)
The problem is, the former is easier to code and the way developers are used to doing things on desktops where they don't have to worry about battery and data nearly as much.
multi-tasking is all about manageing multiple CPU entities and nothing at all to do with battery life or power management.
Thank you for demonstrating my point.
Seriously though, if you're using the term so narrowly WP7 already has multitasking and iOS always did. Clearly you did not RTFA.
Re: (Score:2)
It also means you can't do what you want with it. Believe it or not, there are some apps I want to stay open all the time.
Re: (Score:2)
The other persons were slow to the table (Win1998 and OS X 2001),
The date of 1998 for Windows makes no sense. If it's the reference to Win98, then Win95 had the same kind of multitasking 3 years before that - and yes, it was preemptive (though IIRC there were ways to lock up the system if you wanted). If talking about Windows in general, then NT 3.1 had it in 1993.
Re: (Score:2)
The other persons were slow to the table (Win1998 and OS X 2001),
The date of 1998 for Windows makes no sense. If it's the reference to Win98, then Win95 had the same kind of multitasking 3 years before that - and yes, it was preemptive (though IIRC there were ways to lock up the system if you wanted). If talking about Windows in general, then NT 3.1 had it in 1993.
Personally, I'll happily concede that your dates were right, because they're the ones I would have used (had Commodore6502 not raised the subject first) to point out that even in the best case (Windows NT), MS still took 8 years (i.e. the best part of a sodding *decade*!) to get it at all and were over a decade behind for Windows 95, which was their mainstream Windows at the time.
A ******* decade! No need to exaggerate for that to still be poor.
Admittedly, Windows 3.1 still had co-operative multitasking
Re: (Score:2)
Well, MacOS was no better at the time, and lagged for more. And, yes, the majority of users at the time considered all that quite normal. So by all accounts I dare say that it was Amiga which was ahead of its time, not MS and Apple which were behind.
Re: (Score:2)
Well, MacOS was no better at the time
Come to think of it, I *had* intended mentioning that the Mac was even later (didn't get proper pre-emptive multitasking until OS X in the late 90s IIRC). However, I kind of forgot about that when I got into the general anti-MS-DOS rant. :-)
And, yes, the majority of users at the time considered all that quite normal.
That says more about the blinkered state of mind of users who hadn't used anything but MS-DOS and considered its limitations and foibles to be normal, rather than a sign of it being an exceptionally dated OS full of kludgey workarounds to its original design limitations.
Re:Multi-tasking (Score:4, Informative)
No. Xenix was introduced earlier in the '80s, and MP/M before that, on various (non-Commodore) personal computer architectures.
So? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
As Nokia shifts to support Windows Phone, I think that 1% will start to grow considerably. At the very least, people will accidentally buy Windows Phone as they continue their Nokia stable of phones, which still outsells Android. Add to that their very real customer satisfaction rate (a large percentage [reportedly 90%+ in their marketing material] of a relatively small number), and you have a huge problem for Android.
Not to mention, as Android starts to falter based on its inability to force carriers and m
Lol, got to love people who can't read stats (Score:2)
Yes, Nokia sells a LOT of phones. Dirt cheap dumb phones in poor countries. They probably make so much money at it that they aren't at all in trouble. Oh wait they are.
The big money is in the smart phones and there Nokia has lost out.
Same as WM7 has been loosing out. Both have tried competing in this market and Android, iPhone and Rim have left them in the dust.
So now they are going to combine their epic powers of fail for what?
The idea that Android has to look out for Windows Phone is the same idea as MS f
Re: (Score:3)
Your entire post seems to suggest that all Android phones are powerful phones. In reality, they fall along the entire gamut of the market. A smart phone does not necessarily have to cost a lot, nor does it have to be a good phone, and Android definitely covers that ground.
Palm is even about to cover that ground with their new credit card sized, WebOS 3.0 phone. The fact that Windows Phone 7 already included a smaller screen size in its specs immediately suggests to me that you not only ignored them because
Re: (Score:2)
Same as WM7 has been loosing out.
Well there is no such thing as WM7...but of course WP7 hasn't been 'losing out', it's only been out for a couple of months.
The idea that Android has to look out for Windows Phone is the same idea as MS fanboys had with every previous iteration of MS CE/Mobile and got knows what other names they have used to hide the fact of old vinegar in crappy bags.
Sounds like you haven't even used a WP7 phone.
Microsoft targeted the wrong market... (Score:2)
WP7 will not sell heavily until MS can break blackberry's hold on the enterprise market
They wanted to take on the iPhone, when they should have taken on the Blackberry. Plenty of IT managers would love to have an all MS shop with a phone that worked flawlessly within their systems. Instead, Microsoft targeted the consumer market (and added features that would actually alienate IT managers), forgetting that Microsoft has a severely damaged consumer brand. People run Ms software 'cos they have to, not 'cos they want to. In most consumers' minds, Microsoft is synonymous with bloated, unfinis
Re: (Score:2)
Most consumer's minds?? Say what? Most consumers just assume Windows and Microsoft is everything and nothing else matters.
Ten years ago, perhaps, but public attitudes have changed, especially after the Vista debacle. It wasn't me who stated that Microsoft is a damaged consumer brand, that came from a headline at CNN a few months ago. Ask any person what they think of Microsoft vs. say Apple and see what they say. Actually, you don't need to do that, poll after poll shows that to be true. Microsoft is at the bottom of the heap in consumer favorability. Microsoft has been unable to penetrate the marketplace with Zune, Bing,
Re: (Score:3)
Whole lotta FUD in there...
"less than 1% of Android users are running 2.3 (the version with the fix that stops texts from going to random people...). Over 10% are still running Android 1.5 and 1.6, combined."
First off, ya, Gingerbread is basically not here. I'll agree on that point. However your touting this sending texts to random people thing as a major issue. I use texting quite a bit on my phone (thanks to a handful of people that I know that use it all the time) and have NEVER had this issue. I'm n
Re: (Score:3)
Intentionally to make the point. Sure, it happens to a very small group, but the odds of it hitting you probably increase with every text that you send on an Android 2.2 device. My point isn't even that it's the end of the world. Rather, my point is that such fundamental issue could be left unfixed on your phone, and that's a huge deal.
Re: (Score:2)
And yes, that is serious fragmentation because what I didn't note was that of that 89%, 31.4% are running Android 2.0, or Android 2.1, which came out well over a year ago. A tenth of the platform is using Android 1.5 or 1.6. Roughly a third is using Android 2.0 or 2.1. About half is using Android 2.2. Less than a hundredth is using Android 2.3.
Oh no, iOS has serious fragmentation too:
4.2.1: 52.89 %
4.1: 27.50 %
3.1.3: 6.43 %
4.0.2: 3.36 %
4.0.1: 2.95 %
4.0: 2.94 %
3.1.2: 2.52 %
3.2.2: 0.49 %
3.0: 0.22 %
3.1: 0.21 %
3.0.1: 0.10 %
3.2: 0.10 %
3.1.1: 0.10 %
4.2: 0.09 %
3.2.1: 0.07 %
2.2.1: 0.02 %
2.2: 0.00 %
From here [macgazette.net]
Seriously, targeting multiple OS versions and hardware configurations has been normal through the life of the desktop PC, this is not new.
Re: (Score:2)
Why not compare the 'fragmentation' of android against platforms that actually have some history in the mobile game shall we?
1. Android 2.3 is brand new and I think anyone paying attention to Android will know that it takes at least 6 months before any amount of -normal- people can actually start using them. If Google released 2.3 in 6 months with 50% market update adoption, would that somehow change your perception of the OS? For the 10% on obsolete equipment, its your decision to support them or not into
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
I don't think anyone in the market for a high end smart phone is going to be unaware what it's running and buy one by accident. More liikely current Nokia owners screwed by this about face and lack of upgrade path are going to look elsewhere next time. I don't think Nokia yet realize the amount of customer loyalty they've just lost. Any Nokia customer who wanted a Linux (Maemo) based phone will now have to switch to Android or even HP (Palm's WebOS).
Fragmentation is certainly an issue for Android, but this
Re: (Score:2)
I think Nokia is running a big risk here.
If their position is so strong (outselling Android), then doing any sort of platform burning is sheer madness. So to make this drastic move in the first place, the supporting fact of 'outsells Android' has to be presumed to be faltering.
If they've decided they *are* losing on platform but have good hardware, then binding themselves *exclusively* to the MS offering seems dubious. They said their number one priority is knocking out Android's share. If they aren't pr
Re: (Score:2)
Always, always bet against the Slashbot groupthink.
So... buy Apple?
Re: (Score:3)
There's no way to upgrade phone running Windows Mobile 6.0 to 6.5, or upgrade Windows Mobile 6.5 to phone to Windows Phone 7.
This is complete crap...well, it's mostly crap. My HTC Rhodium got a 6.1->6.5 upgrade FROM THE CARRIER. My HTC Excalibur got a WinMo 5.0->6.0 upgrade FROM THE CARRIER. quite a few other devices got upgraded software on old-school WinMo. xda-developers took care of a few other upgrade paths; e.g. if I wanted to run 6.5 on my Excalibur there were quite a handful of ports for it. The HTC Leo happens to have a WP7 compatible processor architecture, so again the xda devs have manged to port a mostly-workin
Re: (Score:2)
MS is re-implementing experience that users are already accustomed to
...and pushing it on their greater yet-unaware market share... in other words: business as usual!
Re: (Score:2)
I'm sure original Windows Mobile users were accustomed to multitasking too. I'm not really sure why Microsoft opted not to support multitasking initially on WP7 but it's not like this was their first jump into mobile operating systems and they are just learning this now.
Re: (Score:2)
XBox has been MS's only real success story in the last decade and they did it by making their system open, flexible, and network aware than their competitors--basically what Android did to iPhone. They don't have the same advantage here.
I love how you mention Zune as a great success story... The Zune has been Microsoft's second biggest failure to date (next to the Kin, which was a preview to WP7). Unfortunately for Microsoft, WP7 has Zune written all over it--same ideas, same marketing, same distribution,
Re: (Score:2)
I love how you mention Zune as a great success story... The Zune has been Microsoft's second biggest failure to date (next to the Kin, which was a preview to WP7).
You're thinking of the Zune player, he means Zune as in the Zune platform.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, WP7 has Zune written all over it--same ideas, same marketing, same distribution, etc.
Really? I don't see much similarity in their ideas, marketing and distribution to the Zune player.
Re:So? (Score:4, Insightful)
How so? Serious question, what have you found that IE9 can't do but (mobile) WebKit can? The whole idea behind IE9 is that you can use exactly the same HTML(5) and CSS(3) as for other browsers, but IE9 will (sometimes) do it faster.
The current WP7 browser is based on IE7, so yeah, it's shoddy in that sense (it actually works well in the little testing I've given it, including some sites that mobile WebKit can't handle). The point of this announcement is that the next version of the WP7 browser *won't* be "shoddy" any more.
Re: (Score:2)
the problem here is that IE9 still is significantly subpar compared to mobile webkit.
How so?
I am not going to optimize any site for WP7 and its shoddy browser
Specifically what is 'shoddy'?
Re: (Score:2)
I am not an NTFS expert, but I do know that Windows XP's official defragmenter can operate on NTFS partitions. If you believe its "before" and "after" charts, it actually optimizes block layout. I have no doubt that Vista and 7 have the same.
It didn't have this already? (Score:3, Insightful)
Am I the only one that's really surprised that multitasking wasn't already a feature? I thought it was weird when they announced it for the iPhone 4 like it was some huge breakthrough. Symbian might be a piece of crap as a smartphone OS, but, damn, they've had multitasking for 10 years now. It's not a hardware issue. How did this get ignored for so long in iOS and Windows phone?
Re:It didn't have this already? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It didn't have this already? (Score:4, Insightful)
It is sad that none of the other Smartphone OSs seem to multiask as well as WebOS. The card interface is actually very good.
Gee so WP7 will someday be as good as IOS, Android, WebOS, and Symbian. Gee sign me up......
BTW Windows Mobile has had multitasking for a long time as well. Microsoft took it out of WP7 because? Maybe because IOS didn't do it and they wanted to copy IOS?
Re: (Score:2)
Have you checked multitasking apps for Android? They offer cards and even same kind Ui's as what Maemo has on N900.
You have lots of different ways and gestures to give you possibilities to get wanted.
Re: (Score:2)
Microsoft completely wrote their mobile platform starting from a new WinCE kernel. In their eyes, Windows Mobile is no-more.
Therefore, the APIs could note be written and effectively tested in time to ensure performance and battery life were maintained. This is similar to the fact that when WP7 was announced, iOS (then, iPhone OS 3.0) had not announced multitasking, nor had they announced that the original iPhone (2G) would not be supported at all, and the iPhone 3G would not support multitasking.
As it turns
Re: (Score:2)
"This is similar to the fact that when WP7 was announced, iOS (then, iPhone OS 3.0) had not announced multitasking, nor had they announced that the original iPhone (2G) would not be supported at all, and the iPhone 3G would not support multitasking."
But Android and WebOS did have multitasking.
I just can not bring my self to praise Microsoft for copying IOS quickly. They had been in the Mobile space for years so there is no excuse for playing catch up. The fact that IOS came out and ate their lunch is reason
Re: (Score:2)
BTW Windows Mobile has had multitasking for a long time as well. Microsoft took it out of WP7 because? Maybe because IOS didn't do it and they wanted to copy IOS?
Or maybe they were trying to address certain stability and battery life issues with WinMo.
Re: (Score:3)
Re: (Score:2)
When it comes down to it, you're looking at a screen smaller than a deck of cards. Multi-tasking on that is pretty much useless.
I commonly run Glympse [glympse.com] while listening to Pandora [pandora.com] on my way home, so my wife knows when to expect me. I also sometime run Trapster [trapster.com] to check for speed traps. None of those apps give a shit about the screen most of the time. That then allows me to run one of many apps that show traffic information on the screen. Running 4 apps at the same time might slow my charge rate to a crawl, but it is extremely useful.
At the same time, the lack of that ability is keeping me from moving from iPhone to WM7. However, t
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
Re:It didn't have this already? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
I use an app to track my hiking (keep a record of GPS coordinates and time basically), while listening to pandora while checking email and such. It is my understanding iPhone would not even do that today.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
It's easy to go "why the hell is that an innovation", especially considering Windows Mobile had it 10 years ago. On the other hand, it really wasn't working out well on WM, and on iOS, it would've made the experience horrible.
In retrospect, I'm happy wi
Re: (Score:2)
Re:It didn't have this already? (Score:5, Insightful)
IOS STILL doesn't have actual multi-tasking... it just allows certain threads to continue running in the background.. but the app itself is suspended it's basically just fast app switching +
And and iPhone users are very thankful for the battery life that saves.
Re: (Score:2)
Which is exactly what Android does too.
Re:It didn't have this already? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not at all a technical issue. Both iOS and WP7 can handle multitasking just fine on OS level, and you can see that in action if you use the stock apps (e.g. media player, which plays in background). It's strictly a limitation on third-party software, deliberately enforced.
Re: (Score:2)
Microsoft plays catchup? (Score:3)
Am I reading this right? Windows phones will now be able to do things android and iphones have been doing for years?
Re:Microsoft plays catchup? (Score:4, Informative)
... iphones have been doing for years?
Tehehe
Re: (Score:2)
iOS has been able to multitask since before it was called iOS. It just wasn't available to third party apps until the phone's hardware caught up (it's just no good on a 3G, which is why you can't officially have 3rd party mutitasking on that model).
Re: (Score:2)
Which is the case for Windows phone as well
Re: (Score:2)
I remember when my Palm got that feature, in 1999 or around there (I forget the exact year).
Now that was awesome!
Re: (Score:2)
Yeah and Unix had it in the 70s. What's your point?
Re: (Score:2)
No, that was the older palm revisions. Palm OS eventually added real multitasking, and you could have an app doing a long process (let say, a game), switch out of it, do something else, come back, and in the game you were dead because the game was still running.
Apps had to be programmed specifically to take advantage of it though, unlike Windows Mobile.
The point wasn't "Palm did it first!" though. It was "Wow....I remember reading those news posts talking about Palm OS the same way back then....and even THE
Re:Microsoft plays catchup? (Score:4, Funny)
If Microsoft released a 3D modeling tool, would it be called Scatchup?
Re:Microsoft plays catchup? (Score:4, Funny)
Almost! I think it would be called 'ScatUp'. As soon as I find a link to confirm this, I'll squirt it to you.
Windows phones did that in the past (Score:4, Interesting)
This makes me wonder if they're using a more agile-style approach and releasing what functionality they have completely tested instead of releasing the complete functionality regardless of what they've had time to test? It does make sense in a phone OS.
M$ Quality (Score:2)
In a phone, primarily I want a phone, with good 4+ days battery life, my N 3100 does that,
fits in my car and mutes the entertainment system when using your phone so hands free
is reasonably safe.
I need to re-boot, ie power off, my N95 once a week because Symbian goes dollaly.
Whe Bosch, who make the BMW and Mercedes engine/gearbox controllers, they started
the same crap, UNTIL Bosch reverted. I do not need a car that gets BSOD.
A NewZee
Nokia got burned (Score:2)
Hey! I thought it was supposed to be hot enough to set your rig on fire!
Re: (Score:2)
Am I reading this right? Windows phones will now be able to do things android and iphones have been doing for years?
No. Windows phones will now be able to do something that Windows phones were able to do in 2002, 5 years before the iPhone was invented, 8 years before the iPhone got it, and 6 years before the Android was released.
I never understood the huge step back they took, other than Microsoft Marketing told them to ship before it was ready, a familiar story.
Re: (Score:2)
Ooo I missed that. Please send info on this 2002 Windows phone!
Re: (Score:2)
Press Release: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/feb02/02-19PhoneEditionPR.mspx [microsoft.com]
Touchscreen: http://gdgt.com/htc/pocket-pc-phone/ [gdgt.com]
Smartphone (standard cell keyboard): http://gdgt.com/htc/canary/ [gdgt.com]
Any other Google research I can do for you?
Re: (Score:2)
Yea, except, Windows Mobile had multitasking before Android or iOS were even a wet spot in someones underwear. They just made it unavailable in WinMo7 so they could copy Apple, without actually understanding WHY Apple didn't support it.
This is good (Score:2, Insightful)
This is good.
Before you reach out for the pitchforks and torches, let me finish the sentence: this is good for competition. Now that Nokia will ship WP7, Apple and Google will find themselves with a worthy competitor in the smartphone market. At least when it comes to user experience.
The UI Sells It (Score:5, Insightful)
Metro is such a clean, fast interface, lets me see just what I want to see exactly when I want to see it. There's very little hunting/searching for something, as if I use it more than once per day I just pin it to the front page. It just fits extremely well how I want to use a phone.
Although I do have to say, if I couldn't have test-driven it on an HD2 I probably wouldn't have taken the leap to full fledged WP7 hardware. Kudos to MS for not legalbomb XDA from orbit when DFT released the ROM into the wild. If they continue to be smart, they'll let the mod community flourish they way they did with WM6 - that's the only thing that made the platform stay as relevant as it did, for as long as it did.
Re: (Score:2)
WP7 has a great solution for avoiding "page after page of little icons": a piss-poor selection of apps to download ;)
Seriously though, iOS could use some shell improvements to help deal with having hundred(s) of apps. I recently condensed 11 pages of "little icons" down to 3 pages of folders. It's an improvement, but I think apple should start looking at new shell paradigms (no, not Metro!)
Re: (Score:2)
I recently condensed 11 pages of "little icons" down to 3 pages of folders. It's an improvement
It would help if large folders didn't take 2-3 seconds to open on iPhone, unless you reboot the phone every few days (oh, the irony of doing that to an Apple product!).
Re: (Score:2)
WP7 has a great solution for avoiding "page after page of little icons": a piss-poor selection of apps to download ;)
Lucky i've got a whole page of iFart clones on my iphone.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3)
Metro is a UI ripped out from a graphics design mag like "Wallpaper*", "GD USA" or "Print". It's basically something you would find on a MP3 player or game UI. Looks nice, but usability suffers when your interface starts to get busy.
Re: (Score:2)
So you didn't like iOS and Android because you installed too many apps and needed a bunch of pages to access them all?
Tell me, how did WP7 work around this? Haven't found any apps worth downloading yet?
I have 6 pages of apps on my iPhone, and I take it off the first page once in ... well I don't know how long its been because ... just like you ... all my important apps are on the first page where I put them so I'd have quick access to them. The rest of it is stuff like TomTom, ssh client, rdp client, all
Re: (Score:2)
I access games a lot on my Iphone and I dont keep them on the first page because I dont need access to those right this second, I cant take a moment or 2 to find them.
The problem is, now my phone is on page 3 or 4. I would really like it if, whenever you woke up your phone, it snapped back to page 1 and your most important applications. It would at least make a nice setting. That way I would always know how to quickly get to my mail or my camera without having to use up one of the 4 bottom most spots.
Re: (Score:2)
May I ask, why have you owned so many phones? Not trolling at all, really just curious. I've seen many similar posts on other stories and it always blows my mind that people seem to have owned like 5 different p
Re:A Little More Information (Score:4, Funny)
it would be extremely trivial for such a compromised phone to broadcast and infect all XBox 360's within range
A browser exploit can cause a phone to spontaneously sprout limbs, open your 360, connect itself to the JTAG header, and perform the NAND dumping and flashing nonsense currently required to run unsigned code? That's one hell of a phone!
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
it would be extremely trivial for such a compromised phone to broadcast and infect all XBox 360's within range
A browser exploit can cause a phone to spontaneously sprout limbs, open your 360, connect itself to the JTAG header, and perform the NAND dumping and flashing nonsense currently required to run unsigned code? That's one hell of a phone!
Ooh. Nokias are real nasty. You've gotta respect the Japanese. They know the way of the samurai.
Re: (Score:2)
Ooh. Nokias are real nasty. You've gotta respect the Japanese. They know the way of the samurai.
Isn't Nokia a Finnish company? When did Japan invade Finland?
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Hatred? (Score:2)
Wow check out the total blind hatred!
I didn't read any hatred - just a history of the Windows security vulnerabilities and how they came to be.
It's a warning that we don't want to trod that path again. That's not hatred, it's good advice.
Re: (Score:2)
us, the consumer
Speak for yourself. I am at times a customer, I am also a producer. I am never a consumer.
Re: (Score:2)
The Apple iPhone can already connect and control the Apple TV.
Re: (Score:3)
Re: (Score:2)
Halo is no better than the thousands of other Bloody simulators. I'd sooner play fun games like Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Final Fantasy, Dance Revolution, and so on.
Re: (Score:2)
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=285 [vgcats.com]
Re: (Score:2)
IE9 isn't so ridiculously far behind the other browsers, for this to be funny any more.
If Joe-six-pack must use a browser at all, let it be IE9. (And not IE8)
Re: (Score:2)
It probably will, but there are reasons it won't be quite so bad.
IE9 styles arbitrary HTML elements, and "does" xml.
IE6 - IE8 seem to have been maliciously designed to block all forward compatibility.
I hate IE as much as the next guy. But credit were it's due.
Re: (Score:3)
I run XP at home, as I refuse to pay for Windows 7 until there is compelling reason to do spend the cash and spend the time reinstalling the machine. Lack of security updates in 2014 might make me shift in 2013 if nothing ha
Re: (Score:2)
Exactly. I'm a freelance consultant, currently working at a large UK company with a massive international parent. We are forced to use IE7 on our Shitrix thin clients for internet access. There are significant chunks of the web that don't work with IE7, but the IT department don't seem to care - as long as they can lock it down with Windows group policies it is fine with them.
Some days I have to leave the office and use my iPhone to access websites and then email myself files! Sigh!
Astroturfing 101 (Score:2, Insightful)
Unparallelled XBox integration? (Score:2)