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Details of Android 3.0, SIP, Video Chat 188

dkd903 was one of several folks to note that a bunch of details about Google's Android 3.0 are beginning to leak out. The platform is codenamed Gingerbread; it includes video chat to compete with the iPhone, and a graphical overhaul to try to make it look a bit better compared to its rivals.
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Details of Android 3.0, SIP, Video Chat

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  • Re:Open System (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @05:00PM (#33952958)

    Everyone who was smart enough to get a Nexus One rather than locked down Motorola garbage.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @05:25PM (#33953356)

    How about video chat that works with the iPhone as well?

    I hope so too, but I fear that there's a penis size contest about to begin here. :-(

    I'm afraid Google would feel that following the FaceTime standard would risk giving away users to Apple.

    How the fuck is FaceTime a standard? It was first mentioned on June 7, 2010. I've been using Skype to video chat on my N900 for about a year. And people in Europe have been video chatting using some other Nokia thingamajig for a year or two before that. May have been using Gizmo or something.

    Really. Apple didn't do anything impressive with FaceTime. Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

  • by RyuuzakiTetsuya ( 195424 ) <taiki.cox@net> on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @05:41PM (#33953566)

    bitblit operations and other 2D graphical effects are nearly free in terms of CPU and battery life.

    or should be, at any rate.

  • Just use the Google Voice or Skype apps to video chat. They've been around long enough to be mentioned as a standard without people laughing in your face.

    Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard. The Skype protocol is spooky and mysterious, but I guess it's a defacto standard. FaceTime on the other hand is such a non-standard that it doesn't even work on Macs yet.

  • by robmv ( 855035 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @05:49PM (#33953654)

    Android UI Utilities [tumblr.com], it is no interface builder but good for prototyping before building the XML UIs

  • by IYagami ( 136831 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @06:02PM (#33953878)

    > The real issue is a lack of a "Interface builer" so we can build beautiful apps with no extra effort.
    > Combine a really good "interface builder", "default layout settings" or whatever it might be with
    > Android's customization and we got a clear winner in the UI and UX space.

    Try Google App Inventor, an official tool from Google itself

    http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ [googlelabs.com]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @06:39PM (#33954356)

    Seriously: the difference between those 2 words is abysmal. And about 80%...

    When a colon introduces two or more sentences, or when it introduces speech in dialogue or an extract, the first word following it is capitalized.

    -Chicago Manual of Style
  • Re:This irks me (Score:5, Informative)

    by imgod2u ( 812837 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @06:45PM (#33954416) Homepage

    The problem is Samsung in this case. Most if not all HTC and Motorola high-end phones have 2.2 already and have no GPS issues.

    I agree with a lot of the Android criticism but those issues you listed are specific to Samsung.

  • Re:This irks me (Score:3, Informative)

    by stimpleton ( 732392 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @06:51PM (#33954488)
    Galaxy S GPS-Gate: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/17/samsung-galaxy-s-gps-gate-two-problems-not-one-and-what-to-do/ [engadget.com]

    Wikipedia entry(under Issues): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_i9000_Galaxy_S [wikipedia.org]

    YouTube(dozens, if not hundreds of videos): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmIx6SR9lXo [youtube.com]

    The EPIC issue: http://www.gadgetvenue.com/galaxy-gps-problems-fixed-samsung-epic-4g-08190515/ [gadgetvenue.com]

    I could paste links till my 6gb ram is full but just google "Galaxy S GPS problems"

    Oh yes, plenty of "A fix in september" rumors" but the originator was from a samsung forum post on Samsung India website. No official statement to date.
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @07:07PM (#33954640) Journal

    Presumably you mean Google Talk, which uses the Jabber/XMPP messaging standard.

    Specifically, it uses Jingle for voice and video. Jingle originated at Google, but they published it as a standard (actually, a family of standards), in the form of a set of XEPs. In contrast, Steve Jobs said that FaceTime would be published as a standard, but I have yet to see any documentation of the protocol from Apple.

  • by FauxPasIII ( 75900 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @07:45PM (#33955018)

    So it's not like people are picking between Droid and iPhone so it's apples to apples... it's more like iPhone 4 vs Crappy $50 Android Phone. Those aren't technically direct competitors.

    If you're an app developer and your app isn't CPU or GPU intensive, the "crappy" $50 Android phone is just as much another potential customer as someone with an Evo or Epic or Droid is.

  • It's an option (Score:5, Informative)

    by Namarrgon ( 105036 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @08:15PM (#33955304) Homepage

    Android has an All/Some/None setting [android.com] to turn off UI animations, in Settings/Display/Animation, so once again it gives people the choice.

    It's been there since 1.6 at least.

  • Re:Catch up (Score:3, Informative)

    by tknd ( 979052 ) on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @09:15PM (#33955794)

    I don't think they're playing catchup. They've already described some of the upcoming features like C2MD (cloud to mobile device) and there are a lot of things in iOS land that don't exist in Android land. For example bluetooth file transfers are enabled in 2.x androids while iOS doesn't have it. Similarly Android still has a lot of design that hasn't been copied by iOS (yet) like fully replaceable components such as keyboards and clients (SMS, email, etc). Multitasking still makes more sense in Android from a dev viewpoint and the notification bar actually is useful as it prevents a lot of unnecessary popups that steal attention or focus.

    There's only a few areas that I think are actually important/useful in iOS that Android is still lacking: hardware graphics acceleration (by default), screenshots, a certain missing UI widgets (for developers).

    That doesn't mean there are things I wish android had. One of them is bluetooth HID in the stock firmware for connecting keyboards and other input devices. But will iOS ever support this? If Jobs had his way, it wouldn't ever support that because that would mean random company or business making crap hardware for his products without paying royalties or being blessed by Apple first.

    Here's some other things that android has that iOS still doesn't have:

    • 3rd party application installs (without a market)
    • built-in wifi hotspot
    • home-screen widgets
    • 3rd party home-screen/launcher customization
    • emulation
    • Google Voice integration
    • hardware keyboard models
  • by mr100percent ( 57156 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @01:19AM (#33957346) Homepage Journal

    Apple showed the list of protocols [appleinsider.com] in FaceTime during the keynote.

    • H.264 and AAC, its ISO/MPEG video and audio codecs (just like iChat).
    • SIP (Session Initiation Protocol), the open IETF signaling protocol for VoIP used by iChat AV.
    • STUN (Session Traversal Utilities for NAT), an IETF standard for dealing with lots of different kinds of NAT.
    • TURN (Traversal Using Relay NAT), an IETF standard for allowing a client behind NAT to receive incoming requests like a server.
    • ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) an IETF standard which helps set up connections through NAT firewalls.
    • RTP (Real-time Transport Protocol), an iETF standard for delivering media streams in VoIP.
    • SRTP (Secure RTP) an IETF standard designed to provide encryption, message authentication and integrity for the data streams.

    They said they want it to be an open standard. It's not an encrypted protocol.

  • by markkezner ( 1209776 ) on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @01:28PM (#33963172)

    You don't normally have to do anything to write an arbitrary app for an Andriod phone that happens to have Sense. You just write your app using the regular Android SDK and don't worry about it. Sense and other skins are just not relevant factors for almost any app you would want to write.

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