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HTC Launches HD Phones and Updated Sense UI 165

cgriffin21 writes "HTC on Wednesday confirmed two new Android smartphones, the HTC Desire HD and HTC Desire Z, that include what the vendor is calling an "enhanced version" of its HTC Sense user interface that includes everything from video editing software to a mapping tool. The HTC Sense's new features include the ability to record HD videos and edit images with various camera effects. HTC Locations, another new feature, provides on-demand mapping, and there's also an integrated e-reader and an e-book store powered by Kobo."
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HTC Launches HD Phones and Updated Sense UI

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  • E-Readers in a phone (Score:5, Interesting)

    by iONiUM ( 530420 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:00PM (#33592074) Journal

    This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

    I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

    • by jgagnon ( 1663075 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:10PM (#33592186)

      Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly. Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

      • by Nadaka ( 224565 )

        you mean like the Pixel-Qi? It isn't quite as efficient as E-Ink (it doesn't have a no power mode), but it does color, is readable in sunlight and is fast enough even video,

        Yep, I am looking forwards to that on a smart-phone myself.

        • Yeah, that would be a step in the right direction, but I'd have to test it out to know for sure. I just know that the screen on the Kindle is nearly perfect for long term reading (my longest stretch so far has been about 3 hours with zero eye strain, or at least no more than reading a newspaper or book).

      • Having read hundreds of pages so far on my Kindle (just got it recently), I have to say that trying to do that on any sort of normal LCD screen would suck horribly.

        Having read several full novels, and keeping a library of other reference books (both ePub and PDF) on my iPhone, and having worked with similar texts on netbook, laptop, and large-screen desktop LCD monitors, I have to say that the biggest issues with smartphone monitors are readability in direct sunlight and text size. The comfort issues with

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Osty ( 16825 )

          The comfort issues with LCD screens in general aren't a big deal with phone-sized screens IME, while they are quite noticeable with netbook-size screens, and even more problematic with larger screens. I suspect that the problem is directly related to how much of your visual field is occupied by the bright background, which, even accounting for typical reading distance with each device, is much smaller with a phone than with a netbook, which is smaller than with a larger laptop or big desktop monitor.


      • It appears you are in luck then...they have made color e-ink [] displays.

        • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

          Are those also so slow I have to remember to turn the page when I have read half of it?

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by knarf ( 34928 )

        I've read thousands and thousands of pages on very normal LCD screens. I started using a Nokia N-Gage [] which served me very well until its screen met an untimely end. It was replaced by a HTC Prophet [] which I'm using to the current day. Both phones fit in my hand, making it possible to read anywhere and anytime. At night I use grey characters on a black background - backlight does have its advantages here - while during the day this scheme is reversed. As both phones have transflective screens it is possible

        • Hey, I used my old Prophet as an E-Reader (MS Reader and LIT files mostly) for a really long time too. Moved to Android now, though... the readers available there are pretty impressive.

          #1 tip on Android: iReader. Sounds like an iPhone app, but it's really just a plain text reader with customizable... well, everything. Green text on black background is great, especially with the AMOLED screen on the Desire (one of the few things the AMOLED screen actually does well - green is unaffected by the pentile matrix

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by StikyPad ( 445176 )

        Now if they can make a colored E Ink screen that is as comfortable to read as the gray-scale one, then I might consider it.

        They prefer to be called "Polychromatic Microcapsule Displays" you insensitive clod.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by MBGMorden ( 803437 )

      I don't see this happening - at least not for power users (very casual users it's already happening to a degree). No phone can hold a candle to the storage space available on a home PC right now. You yourself already mentioned keyboards, mice, and monitors as things that you'd want to connect externally (because honestly, it's just more comfortable to use that way).

      With that in mind, if you're going to be connecting a mouse, a monitor, keyboard, speakers, and storage externally to the phone . . . then why

    • How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      Well that depends on how you define a home PC. Would a cell phone that was plugged into a base station which provided a keyboard/interface and a large monitor-sized display be considered a PC or a cell phone? Would a PC that becomes so small that you can stick a monitor and wireless data receiver on it for voip be considered a phone?

      In essence, if you are asking: Will significant numbers of people ever give up a monitor/keyboard/mouse or the equivalent in favor of

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by bsDaemon ( 87307 )

        To quote Gin Rummy (As voiced by Samuel L. Jackson), "just because you put a two-way pager in the middle of your desk don't mean its a computer. its a two-way pager." A "smart phone" in a similar configuration is still the same deal. Nothing anyone has typed with their thumbs has ever been important.

        • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

          You had better be the one to tell my boss those ssh sessions fixing servers were not important.

    • For myself, no emissive display cell phone will ever take place of a reflective display e-reader (or a physical book for that matter). I spend far too much time staring at a computer screen throughout the day, when I lay down in bed to read for an hour the last thing I want is an emissive screen shining straight into my eyes. First and foremost eyestrain becomes an issue (for me at least) but there's also the issue of bright white light screwing with your circadian rhythms (something that I struggle with

      • I agree, my backlit LCD phone display is completely unreadable in direct sunlight, but what about a display that does both [] emmisive and reflective well?
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by NiteShaed ( 315799 )

        I'll take the opposing position :)

        I like reading in the dark. Maybe sitting out on my deck before I call it a day, maybe lying in bed before I go to sleep, but I just don't want to turn on a separate light, therefore, a backlit screen is an absolute must-have. I also tend to read whenever I have a spare second, making my phone the ideal gizmo since it's always with me. Up until now, my phone just was never up to the task (battery life/small screen), so I went through a variety of devices to deliver my pr

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by MozeeToby ( 1163751 )

          White light coming off a screen is a cooler light, with more of the blues that fire off your body's "it's daytime" responses. An incandescent bulb (and even a 'warm light' CFL) have more reds and yellows which have less effect on your body. For a lot (probably the vast majority) of people it probably doesn't matter much but I have trouble falling asleep before 3AM as it is, even being careful about all the things that people who have sleep issues should be careful about. I imagine that it would be possib

          • if you weren't replying to me, I'd mod that interesting :)

            Would the background color on a reader be enough to make a difference, or is this more specifically related to how the backlight is done (eg: LED vs fluorescent)

            • Changing the background color helps but light still gets through, put your monitor to an all black screen and turn out the lights and it's still bright even in most cases to see by (unless you've got one of those fancy ones that automatically turn off part or all of the back light... but I digress). I would think if you switched the e-reader app to be white text on black background (which is IMO easier to read anyway) it wouldn't be so bad. The Android Kindle app allows that but like I said, I have some m

          • That's why you shouldn't read black text on a white background in a dark room... pretty much every decent eReader app for a smartphone (I use iReader on Android) is completely customizable in this regard. I find green text on a black background to be perfect for low-light reading, with no eyestrain whatsoever.

            Obviously a bright white backlight 12 inches from your face in a dark room is going to produce eyestrain... so don't do that.

        • The always-have-it-with-me factor is a huge bonus... I've been using my phone as an eReader for years now, and since I don't have time to actually spend a few hours reading these days, it's great to be able to get 5 or 10 minutes in on the train, or when I'm waiting for someone at a cafe, or on the crapper, without needing to constantly lug around a separate device.

          It's especially obvious when I'm out and about without a bag (my jacket pockets are usually filled with other crap... no room for eReaders) - I'

    • Um, you do know that certain smartphones have had e-readers (such as Stanza) available for, well, quite a long while now, right? This isn't remotely new so I do hope you're just talking about it in a larger, philosophical sense of "wow, smartphones really are becoming a lot more than just a phone"...
    • This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers.

      Ereader software on phones is not new. B&N and Amazon have had e-reader software tied to their bookstores (and capable of importing outside content) for iOS and Android for quite some time, and e-Reader software from other vendors (e.g., Lexcycle Stanza) has also been available. Plus, lots of ebooks are available for sale as apps in Apple's App Sto

    • It's not new. Amazon has had Kindle software for a while now, for iPhones, Blackberries, Android phones, and even desktop machines.

      To me, this has been one of the things that Amazon has done right with the Kindle-- they made it so if you buy a book, you can access it almost anywhere. Of course, there's still the question of whether you want to read a book on a 3" LCD screen...

    • by t0qer ( 230538 )

      It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      I'm sold on my phone. It has VNC, SSH, and a slide out keyboard. I have a choice between sitting inside at work at a PC browsing the web, or sitting outside on my phone. Guess which one I pick every night?

      • It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

        I'm sold on my phone. It has VNC, SSH, and a slide out keyboard. I have a choice between sitting inside at work at a PC browsing the web, or sitting outside on my phone. Guess which one I pick every night?

        You won't be picking up the G2 to use with SSH, that's for sure. No []{}`|\ keys, unless someone comes out with a hack to type them in some other way.

    • I started reading ebooks on a Palm 128 years ago, I'm now up to an HTC HD2. There's several good apps to do that, including Opera, which lets you use custom colors and styles (white text on a black background works best for me, and it's classy, too).

      I like the smallish form factor, the always-with-me utility, the fact I can unobtrusively read one-handed in the subway, while waiting at the supermarket... and having to carry around only ONE device for phone + mp3 player + radio + ereader + emergency web stuff

    • This is a pretty intriguing idea. It's interesting to see how mobile phones are not only starting to encroach on netbooks/laptops, but also now on e-readers. How long until they encroach on home PCs?

      I think they started to encroach on home PCs as soon as they could read email, browse the web and play games.

      Dedicated e-readers only exist because current e-ink screens are brilliant for prolonged reading but utterly useless for anything that moves (games, movies, multitouch UIs...) meaning that they're no good for phones and tablets. Once display technology comes up with something that combines the clarity of e-ink with LCD response times, bye-bye e-readers.

      I would actually really like it if my phone was my computer, and when I went home it just linked to my keyboard, mouse and monitors and used them. And when I left, it's back to its normal interface.

      The problem with that is that you're carrying a

      • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

        The problem with that is that you're carrying all your data around on your phone - so (a) if you lose your phone you're really screwed .

        This is an argument for backups not larger storage devices.

        the other issue is that software designed for a shirt pocket sized phone may not be the ideal software for your 30" home PC screen and keyboard, nor does your phone need a graphics processor that can play at 1080p. So if you're not running the same software, and have to keep backing up your phone anyway, why try t

    • I find it slightly offputting that as the expense of these phones ramps up, so do the contract terms and you can end up with an out dated phone for years.
      Though its nice idea of combining all your portable and home technologies into one easily losable device, it seems an increasing number of people actually gaining more devices, on old school Nokia 3310and such for phone calls and iPhones or Androids as nice toys but ultimately crap phones.
      Admittedly phones have come a long way since my trusty Nokia 3310
      • I find it slightly offputting that as the expense of these phones ramps up, so do the contract terms and you can end up with an out dated phone for years.

        Here in holland you can get a HTC wildfire on a one year plan for free, for a very modest monthly cost. Sure it isnt a high-end phone, but compared to phones of even two years ago, it is a marvel of technology. (by the way, i can get a desire for free for less cost then the cheapest iphone sub, while on the iphone sub i would pay 170 euros for the iphone still)

        but yeah, it is tricky, i am on the lost months of a 2 year plan for which i got a nokia n96 (nokia's then flagship), which absolutely sucked ass. i

  • by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:02PM (#33592102)

    According to the article, both versions will be available in Europe and Asia in October. Only the "Z" version will hit the US this year though. Gotta say that's disappointing. My next upgrade becomes available December 15th, and the "Desire HD" looks to best every other Android handset out right now. I really, really hope that some version of that phone hits Verizon before or really soon after that date.

    • Not only that, but people do not seem to realize that these phones have the wrong 3G frequencies for some of the main US (AT&T) and Canadian (Rogers) carriers. You can make calls on them but forget about any high-speed data. And some other models like the EVO are not even GSM phones and thus cannot be bought "unlocked".

      Major US and Canadian GSM carriers use the 850/1900 MHz bands for 2G/3G while in Europe 900/2100 is the dominant standard. And for some reason the phone makers decided that the "quad" ba

  • Especially when it comes to Android phones.

  • Battery life? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mu51c10rd ( 187182 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:08PM (#33592164)

    So I see HTC and all the vendors are pushing hidef video and more features. However, I see the battery life is suffering on these phones. At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life? Unless your phone does nothing but make a few calls and the occasional email sync, it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      At what point are they going to push for better battery technology and longer life?

      Phone manufacturers have to weight the options between releasing better features that tax the battery or investing heavily in battery technology that very well may benefit competitors. Improvements to battery life based on engineering behind the battery itself need to come from the industry as a whole and not one manufacturer.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Threni ( 635302 )

      > it seems tough to get a smartphone these days to last a day without charging.

      It's easy - just use it as a phone. On stanby these things go for days. Because, you know, on standby all the flash, hi-def etc etc isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, because it's not being used.

    • by alen ( 225700 )

      you want battery and thin you get an iphone. you want power you get everything else. just like PC vs mac and everything else

    • Re:Battery life? (Score:5, Informative)

      by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:58PM (#33592750)

      I get 3-4 days of medium/heavy use out of my Moto Droid as of the Froyo update, before that 4 days would have really been pushing it. It depends a lot on where you are and what kind of reception you are getting. I get my best battery life over the weekends when I spend a lot of time at home, slightly less during the week when I'm at work where the coverage inside is spotty, and abysmal (less than 1 day) if I'm somewhere with little to no coverage.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Do you often go that long without charging, or are you saying you can go that long without charging? If you do, who don't you charge it at night?

        (I'm not asking to set up an argument. I was just curious if there was a reason like "it's better for the battery" or something.)

        • NiMH batteries don't suffer from the "memory" effect. It's better to keep them charged as much as possible, purely because you reduce the risk of it running out of juice when you need it, and also prevents polarity reversal caused by complete discharge. You guessed it... That turns your battery into a fairly rubbish paper weight.
      • Either your kind of medium/heavy use is what I'd call leaving the phone on standby, or your Droid has some kind of super battery. As a former Milestone owner, I can safely say that just a solid hour of web surfing via the mobile network or WiFi is enough to drain the battery by 15-20%...

        Heavy use for me on a work day is what... maybe 2-4 hours of active use (web/apps/games) a day, as well as phone calls, SMS, maybe WiFi tethering, an hour or two of streaming music. Hell, I'd be surprised if it lasted a whol

    • Not only are they pushing all sorts of new features, they also reduced the battery capacities. 12xx mAh on the HD and 1300mAh on the Z... Idiots. I'll take a millimeter or two more of thickness over a reduction in capacity any day. :(

  • by rufus t firefly ( 35399 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:11PM (#33592206) Homepage

    I have found that stock Android is pretty nice. HTC Sense is a good *looking* UI, but it suffers in some places. The stock mail client for stock 2.1 is much nicer than the sense variant, for example, and there are a number of other places where it looks like HTC tried to "reinvent the wheel" (with shiny chrome) for what appears to be little or no reason. Perhaps they're trying a little too hard to offer a differentiator on the software side...

    I've been much happier with the stock android versions of 2.1 and 2.2 (thanks to CyanogenMod) on my HTC CDMA Hero, since switching from the stock firmware. (Doesn't exactly help that HTC orphaned OS support for that model before 2.2...)

    • by MogNuts ( 97512 )

      I'm with you. I love stock Android. Love the color scheme, the motif, everything. I can't stand Sense UI.

      As for mail clients though, I found myself using the e-mail directly through the web browser. Love GMail's mobile version used through a web browser. Check it out. Now I never have to worry about anything ever being in sync.

    • Having tried Sense on the EVO, and stock Android 2.1 and 2.2 on the Nexus One, I *much* prefer stock Android. HTC, how about giving us an option to completely disable Sense, without having to install third-party firmware builds? On the EVO you can sort of partially disable Sense, but apparently on many other HTC phones you can't even do that.
  • The HTC Desire Z is about to be released as the T-Mobile G2 later this month ($200ish with a plan.) The T-Mobile G2 will have the stock Android UI as did the G1 years ago. [] []

    • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

      If my contract with verizon was over I would be buying that the day it shipped. I will be switching to t-mobile since it sure looks like verizon is done with the unlocked bootloader phones.

  • Wait, it costs how much?!

    Damn, never mind *sob*

    • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

      If the phone price puts you off, no way can you afford the service.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Wait, it costs how much?!

      At GBP 370, [] that puts it about A$630 or just shy of being half the cost of an Iphone.

      Cheaper and more functional, a bargain I say.

      Thats approx 580 of your American Peso's.

  • by GodfatherofSoul ( 174979 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:30PM (#33592404)

    For the past 6 years or so, I would buy the latest greatest phone after my contract ran out. I was close to getting a Droid, then it occurred to me "do I really give a frak about HDMI ports and video on my phone?" I settled with an LG Ally I got for free and got to keep that extra $200 with ZERO regrets. I guess I'll have to stop posting here and watching more Antique's Roadshow now?

    • I have Antiques Roadshow episodes on my brand-new EVO, the first smartphone I've ever gotten.

      • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

        If you like Antiques Roadshow, Pawnstars is pretty good. Sure too much reality TV going on, but the stuff they have come into the shop is really neat. I think it is on History Channel, but I don't have cable and watch it on netflix.

    • You are absolutely a power user. You carefully considered the options, and picked the correct device for your situation instead of being drawn in by the latest shiny-shiny "It's got the Wi-FI's and 720 HDs" overpriced poserphone.

  • It looks like we're starting to see (to a greater degree) new phones coming out too quickly to match the market.

    I've no idea about statistics, but I imagine that most people get a discount on their phone by signing up for two years. If new and better phones are coming out every six months, this is going to cause a problem under the current plans. It wasn't as bad with PCs and laptops, simply because people aren't locked into using them for the duration of a contract. I think it's great that my snazzy new p

    • your contract doesnt allow you to get a new phone?

      i think you are able to get a new phone, you just dont get the discount when buying it, which makes sense to me..

  • I'd pay for an officially supported updated HTC Sense for an existing phone.

    Can I? No? iPhone users can upgrade iOS on existing devices. Why can't I do the same with HTC Sense?
    • by DrgnDancer ( 137700 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @04:58PM (#33592760) Homepage

      Because Apple in investing in the platform, HTC is making a phone. It's not a better or worse model per se, but Apple is trying to build an ecosystem: get a Mac, and iPhone, an Apple TV, maybe an iPod Shuffle for when the phone is more than you need... replace them all every 3-4 years, and we'll provide pretty good support and updates for around that time frame. Brand loyalty keeps you buying into the ecosystem. HTC is trying to sell you a phone. Right now. Now another one. Now another one. They always want to have the biggest and best numbers they can, because they know that if they don't you'll buy a Motorola instead.

      It's two different business models.

      • by BcNexus ( 826974 )
        I'll be damned then. I want to buy into Apple's "We're selling a platform" model but without their walled-garden application eco-system and without being tied to the AT&T network.

        To anyone who would ask, the answer is "No, I don't want to jailbreak. I won't jailbreak." Because if I buy an i-device while Apple is still enforcing their walled-graden, it looks like to them that I support it. But I don't. And I won't.

        In short, I want great apps and upgrades available for HTC devices like what are avai
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by DrgnDancer ( 137700 )

          Both models have pluses and minuses. If you want the "best" phone on the market (Defined by tech specs- CPU, camera, memory, etc) you almost certainly want an Android phone. The churn that the competing manufacturers create by their constant upgrade cycles means that Moto, or HTC, or Nokia (do they make Android?) probably currently has the most powerful thing available this week. On the other hand the Apple hardware updates often enough to stay reasonably current, if not cutting edge. So advantage Andro

          • by BcNexus ( 826974 )
            The iOS ecosystem is pretty good.So good, in fact, that I've thought about getting an iPad or iPod touch and using it as a phone with a non-AT&T cellular/WiFi mobile hotspot. I could get a latest gen iPod touch (or maybe even an iPad) install Skype on it, pair it with a portable WiFi hotspot from Virgin Mobile* or Sprint**, and use it as a phone.

            *Virgin Mobile is 3G service from Sprint at $40/month
            **4G service from Sprint in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul area at about $70/month, I think?
          • "Defined by tech specs- CPU, camera, memory, etc", however keep in mind there is a jvm burning a quarter of that cpu, battery and memory capability.

        • by Xest ( 935314 )

          The problem seems to be that you're buying a phone on contract and are at the mercy of your provider.

          If you buy an Android handset at retail without it being tied to a contract and phone provider then you'll receive much better update support.

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Vendor lock in keeps you buying into the ecosystem.

        There, fixed that for you.

        Apple wants to tie you in to it's other products through any means necessary, this is why you need to buy a Mac to develop for an Iphone. Once you're at this point they need to keep you here and that is best achieved by making you have a large financial investment in the platform ($x in applications). This is the same MO we've seen with Microsoft in the past except Apple have gone one further, not only creating an increasing

    • HTC actually does provide upgrades, the desire recently got the upgrade to froyo, and for the legend that same update is in the works, the wildfire will get 2.2 as well.

      (and as for the iphone updates, ios 4 sucks on 3g generation hardware and doesnt actually add usefull features on that hardware (no multitasking, wallpapers, the only thing i noticed is a threaded mail inbox, which SUCKS compared to how gmail works on android), anything older like a first gen ipod touch or iphone doesnt get the update at all

  • Would be more descriptive to say that they launched some new features that drain the phones battery even faster.

    Now, I have a Android HTC to replace a ancient dumb phone. Excuse my ignorance, but it's my first smart phone... and it took me by the second day of ownership that switching off the Bluetooth, GPS, Wi-Fi and other enabled stuff saved a tonne of battery power. They may be smart phones, but they really do need more battery power packed in to the phone.

  • car companies went to stable brand names years ago where each car has a name and a year to show when it was made. Apple is close with the iPhone. Verizon is learning with the Droid.

    why can't Samsung and HTC figure this out and stop the constant stream of new phone names every month? cell phones are as much fashion accessories/penis extenders as tools and having the cool phone is important. if you release new phones constantly then the old one is forgotten and kids and others who are your biggest customers w

  • pay as you go (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lord Ender ( 156273 ) on Wednesday September 15, 2010 @05:29PM (#33593094) Homepage

    Where are Android phones that work with the pay-as-you-go, or at least low-cost plans? Virgin Mobile has LG smartphones with $25/month plans, but if you want Android, nobody offers anything at less than $60/month.

    • by cos(0) ( 455098 )

      Boost Mobile offers at least one: Motorola i1 []. It even supports push-to-talk.

    • Just buy the phone outright and put any prepaid SIM you want in there. What's the problem?

    • by Xarius ( 691264 )

      This seems like a uniquely American problem, over here (i.e. UK) you can buy any phone and put any old SIM card into it--be it PAYG or contract.

    • Check out the HTC Wildfire. Approx $300 without a plan. That's pretty competitive for an HTC Android phone, and more than likely available on the lower-end tariffs.
    • i have no clue about the US plan ecosystem, but here in europe android has trickled down to $99 prepaid phones, i replaced my old nokia (which i was using since the n96 i got with my plan is absolute SHIT), with a vodafone rebranded huawei (the huawei 8120 joy, or vodafone 845 nova), unlocked it for $20 through a chinese website (smart buggers they are, sell the thing to vodafone, which will simlock them, then use your own product knowledge to offer unlocks to the end-user for a fraction of what vodafone wa

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