The Cell Phone Has Changed — New Etiquette Needed 585
CWmike writes to share a recent manners-rant that has some great gems about how not to be "that guy" on a cell phone. What rules of engagement are absolutely necessary and what social penalties should become standard practice for repeat offenders? "It's easy to be rude with a cell phone. A visitor from another planet might conclude that rudeness is a cell phone's main purpose. Random, annoying ring tones go off unexpectedly. People talk too loudly on cell phones in public because of the challenge of holding a conversation in a noisy environment with someone who's not present. Cell phones need their own rules of etiquette, or we'll descend into social barbarism."
Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
Cell phones cause car accidents all the time. Even if you think you're skillful enough to operate a cell phone and drive, doing so can be a role model for someone else who can't do the feat. My friend was even in a bad car accident last week where he says the other driver was on a cell phone. He had some broken ribs, a collar bone, and was pulled out by jaws of life.
If you get a ring, down answer it. Then find a pull off and call the person back.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Interesting)
I find it easier to justify it if you put it that people can't seem to *walk* and talk at the same time. Walking is something that doesn't require much mental effort, yet people are continually running into things (and other people). Funny enough that people can seem to walk and talk to someone beside them just fine, but give them a cell, and accidents galore (thankfully rarely fatal or injurious unless one walks into a manhole or something). And this is something people do naturally, and now we want to put them in a two-ton vehicle where the outcome is easily death.
OTOH, I wonder if pickpocketing is on the rise these days - with so many distracted pedestrians, you'd think a downtown core would make a target rich environment for people stealing wallets and such.
Hell, I've always wanted to grab a digital camera, and when I see people so engrossed with their cellphone texting, snapping a picture and starting a website about it.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
They are in the same environment you are, and if need be, can stop you from doing something stupid.
Since they are in the same environment as you they tend to lull the conversation when you are at a physical location(eg an intersection) where you need to concentrate on not dying.
Your partner on the cell phone may very well be sitting in their house eating nachos and may start to engage you in a very involving conversation right as you pull up to the intersection, thus your concentration may not be where it needs to be.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Interesting)
This is probably especially true in terms of the Slashdot crowd. When you get a call from your boss/coworker/client/relative/friend who has some major computer catastrophe they will be relieved to have gotten through to you and usually blurt out their issue about as frantic as they possibly can. It usually isn't "Hello. I'm having a problem. Do you have a moment?" It is usually "THANK FUCKING GOD YOU ANSWERED MY PRINTER DOESN'T WORK AND IT WORKED THIS MORNING AND I NEED TO GET THESE REPORTS OUT AND I TRIED REBOOTING MY PROCESSOR AND DELETING MY PRINT DRIVER AND CHANGING THE INK IN THE PRINTER AND IT STILL ISN'T WORKING"
Naturally, trying to parse information being delivered that way is going to be pretty distracting. I usually don't get people I am walking with go into that kind of frantic mode.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
Solution: Ignore the phone while driving and call back when at your destination.
Quicker Solution: Answer, say "Hold on for a second", ignore phone until you are safely pulled over somewhere.
Really, answering the phone is always in your power - and missing a phone call is not the end of the world. Driving the car is the driver's responsibility as well. We can't have excuses on either one, the buck needs to stop at the person with the power to make those decisions.
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Or, perhaps just as important:
Be willing to toss the phone/headset/whatever into the seat beside you if driving conditions dictate that you need more attention than you have available.
So what if it's rude? You'll have plenty of to explain your behavior later, after you're someplace more safe/less hairy/stopped. My boss, and my own clients, would much rather I do this and still be able to solve their problem, rather than wind up dead or hospitalized or even just distraught following a collision.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Interesting)
Whole generations where not be able to call each other when they were driving. As nice it is to be able to contact someone all the time, when I am in a car, I just don't pick up the phone at all.
Same when I am in the train, or on the bus, or in a restaurant.
But that is because I am in Japan, and people still know how to behave when they get a phone call.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
the goal here is to avoid being distracted when you are driving.
finding your phone, looking at it enough so you can find the "answer" button, maybe needing to unlock the phone first or flip it open, then holding the phone close enough where there person can hear you say "hold on" is not a solution.
and don't give me a bunch of hoopla about how advanced your phone is hands free and you can answer it simply by thinking about it. not everyone has that feature. the vast majority of phones requires you to press a button to answer.
the OP had it right. just don't answer it.
Yes indeed (Score:3, Interesting)
You've got the right idea. Here's what I do:
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Running a business? Operating a counter? The person you're talking to across the counter is 100x more important than anyone who calls you and they were there first. If the phone rings, either someone else should answer it (preferably elsewhere), or your answer is: Hi, this is Leroy. I have a customer at the counter. You'll be on hold for a while, or you can call back, or come on down. [click]
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
The ratio is over 50% of people that really should not have a license.... but here in the USA it's a god given right!
Well, we don't have the mass transit that countries with stricter driving laws do. And we can't, economically, because we are so spread out. So what's the answer? Do we relocate everyone into cities where there's mass transit? Build mass transit to every tiny town in America, and damn the cost? Shoot people in the head when we take their license, because honestly it's better than letting them starve to death? You take away the license of fifty percent of Americans and what will you do? I mean, I kind of agree with you, many people shouldn't be driving and we pay a 55,000 person a year toll in deaths from accidents. But what's the alternative?
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Insightful)
"I mean, I kind of agree with you, many people shouldn't be driving and we pay a 55,000 person a year toll in deaths from accidents. But what's the alternative?"
We could actually teach people how to drive. And actually evaluate them properly. I probably had a fairly rigorous drivers ed course and drivers exam (for the US) and it wasn't very good.
On the teaching front. Teach the rules, both written and unwritten (obey the speed limit but also don't impede traffic, for instance). Teach them how to actually control the car, especially in emergency situations. A basic driving school. Put them in real traffic and correct their errors. If they do something deliberately unsafe fail them and make them start over. Then evaluate them in a similar situation. The crappy drivers in this scenario would be better than most drivers today. People would take driving a bit more seriously because it would cost real money to get a license.
We could also enforce traffic laws differently. Penalize things that are actually dangerous rather than things that are easy to ticket.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Interesting)
My preferred solution is to have tiered licenses. Bronze would get you econoboxes, lowered speed limits, and higher insurance costs. Silver would get standard cars and normal traffic laws and insurance costs, while Gold would give access to sports cars, lower insurance costs, and perhaps give an extra 10% on the motorway speed limit (not the city speed limit, of course). Each would require progressively more training and more frequent re-testing intervals.
The question is then how you would check that the Porsche barreling down the outside lane is actually being driven by a Gold-standard driver and not a Bronze-licensed script kiddy who r007ed his daddy's car's firmware...
This already exists to a point in Italy, where newly-licensed drivers are restricted to smaller engine capacities and lowered speed limits for three years. ISTR that there are also stiffer penalties for speeding and perhaps other offences. The enforcement problem, however, is similar: short of stopping every car not legal for new drivers, it's hard to enforce.
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Obviously you will never get mass transit and bike infrastructure comparable to e.g. Scandinavian standards all over the US. It will never be economically feasible to do in places like Nebraska or the Dakotas. But, it is all the metropolitan areas, like New York has started doing with bike paths.
It is a question of priorities. Only 3000 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks, yet you have spent close to 1'000'000'000'000 dollars fighting a rather pointless war in Iraq. If that amount of money had been used
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Funny)
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. not even a close call as it really wasn't that hard to keep track of things immediately in front of me).
I would argue that it *was* that hard - if not, he would not have been able to get within yoinking in range without you being aware in the first place.
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if not, he would not have been able to get within yoinking in range without you being aware in the first place.
Excuse me? When you see someone walking the other way down a sidewalk do you dodge evasively to keep them out of reach at all times? It sounds like the event was immaculately routine until the stranger tried to swipe his phone. You do realize that it could be done very quickly and effectively by someone walking past him?
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Funny)
The reaction probably prevented him from persisting!
If I were trying to rob someone, grabbed their phone, and all they did was non-chalantly - and without taking their eyes off the screen - pull it back and continue walking casually. I'd be very confused for a moment, then decide they were probably some sort of martial arts master and we're being polite enough not to kick my ass - count myself lucky and be on my way.
I can just picture the would-be thief: "Dear god, what kind of a badass doesn't even look up at his assailant - or turns their back to them and keeps walking?"
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"Do not use your cell phone while driving"
Or get a good Bluetooth headset and a cell phone with voice control.
My old AT&T tilt worked wonders for this when combined with a good headset (using a Plantronics Voyager 510). Voice dialing could be initiated by taking one hand off the wheel for just a few seconds and I never had to take my eyes off the road.. same thing for hanging up. Answering the phone was even easier.
Unfortunately, my iPhone 3G is a step backwards in some ways, including the lack of voice dialing without needing to pull out the
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
According to studies, talking on a cellphone is far more distracting than talking on a car. There are many theories as to why that is the case. The other person in the car is, well, in the car. They will notice the same dangers you will, and will start to fear for their own safety if you are too distracted. It takes more brainpower to decipher a phone conversation, with its dropouts, limited bandwidth, and lack of nonverbal cues. Those are the theories, but the facts remain: talking on a cell phone is far more distracting than talking with a passenger.
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If I'm talking on a car, I'm distracted by the fact that I'm riding on top of a bloody car!
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Informative)
Honestly, while watching some people talk by
A) turn their head to watch the person they're talking to
B) release steering wheel to emphasize a point with both hands
C) close eyes and shake head when listening
all indicate that some people can't do more than one conscious act at a time. They can either talk, listen, or chew gum, but not 2 out of the three. (FYI: talking is the conscious act - the rest are uncontrolled unconscious learned responses)
These are probably the same people that were talking on cell phones while walking into a telephone pole so hard they wound up in the ER [nytimes.com].
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Interesting)
Only because no one writes down as the cause of an accident things like:
'jamming out to the radio'
'not paying attention to the road because I was looking at the girl walking down the side of the road'
'talking to my passenger'
and a handful of other things that are really the same problem just different manifestations.
The problem being the driver shouldn't be driving because they can't prioritize the situation and they stop focusing on driving.
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And of course we all spend a certain amount of time in our daily drive going through the obstacle course while being forb
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What makes you think the obstacle course WAS artificial? Or that subjects weren't allowed to drop the phone?
Your anecdotes are not data. Your feelings are untested, and not a reliable guide to what is more distracting and what is less. Sorry, but I'll take science over anecdotes any day.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Interesting)
The other person in the car is, well, in the car. They will notice the same dangers you will, and will start to fear for their own safety if you are too distracted.
Yeah, I read an article about a study (can't find it) where they basically had two people talking about a set topic while one of them was driving. Sometimes the non-driver was riding shotgun, and sometimes the driver was talking to him via a bluetooth headset. Like many of these studies, they found that talking on the cellphone was more dangerous.
According to the article, the researchers observed that when the driver encountered some sort of obstacle or tricky situation, the guy riding shotgun would generally notice the obstacle and shut up on his own. The non-driver on the cell phone wouldn't see the obstacle and would continue talking.
The researchers hypothesized that, because the cell phone caller continued talking, the drivers attention was split and his reactions were delayed. Even if the driver stopped the caller from talking by saying something like "hold on a second...." as soon as he noticed the obstacle, it meant that there was a significant delay while the driver subconsciously prioritized how much attention to give to the caller vs. the road, made a decision on how to react to the caller, and then say "hold on a second."
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Funny)
According to studies, talking on a cellphone is far more distracting than talking on a car.
You know one of the advantages of talking on a car? Auto-dial.
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Oh, just get a room for chrissakes. ;)
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
Fully Agreed.
I saw this test (I don't know whether it was on Mythbusters or some other show or even on the internet) where they were seeing how well a driver can steer a vehicle while not looking out the front windshield. I believe it was mostly about people programming destinations into their GPS while driving instead of doing it before hand - so it could be a few more seconds and such.
Turns out, a LOT of people can't keep it within their lane after 2 seconds, and even the most skilled people (that they tested) couldn't finish programming the GPS to a destination without being 2 or 3 lanes over.
Part of it is that your natural motions with your other hand will subliminally affect the other. If you look right, your bound to slightly turn right, its habitual for just about anyone. So that split second you spent turning and grabbing your phone from the passenger seat could mean you just bumped into that guy beside you.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:4, Interesting)
A standard method for testing the effect of alcohol on reaction time is setting up a chalk 'gun' on the rear bumper of a car and having a driver drive it around a closed course at a fixed speed. The chalk gun fires one pellet at the ground at a randomly determined time; as soon as the driver hits the brake pedal the gun fires a second pellet. You measure the distance between the two chalk spots on the road to get reaction time. You do it several times before alcohol as a control and several times after having a few drinks. It's a great test for those people who claim they're better drivers after a couple of beers, because it inevitably shows a reduced reaction time.
I always wanted to see this reproduced with a cellphone involved instead of alcohol. Especially for my wife, who claims that she's still a good driver while on the cellphone.
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"Do not use your cell phone while driving"
Cell phones cause car accidents all the time. Even if you think you're skillful enough to operate a cell phone and drive, doing so can be a role model for someone else who can't do the feat. My friend was even in a bad car accident last week where he says the other driver was on a cell phone. He had some broken ribs, a collar bone, and was pulled out by jaws of life.
If you get a ring, down answer it. Then find a pull off and call the person back.
Of course it can be quite a distraction for many drivers to try and hold a phone to their ear or type out a text while driving, What about hands free, e.g., bluetooth headsets? A quick poke of a button on your ear to answer a call shouldn't be any different than pushing a button to change the channel on your radio. If the phone is set to auto answer, it's not much different than having a conversation with a passenger in the vehicle.
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
This is fundamentally incorrect. Talking with another human takes your brain to a place that's outside the car. The radio can do this too, but not to the same extent. And the difference with talking to someone who's in the car is obvious: Their life is in jeopardy along with yours. They are more sensitive to pauses in your speech (which can indicate personal danger for them) and most importantly, they're helping you look at the fucking road.
If you think talking on a bluetooth headset is better in some way than holding it up to your year, you're dead wrong and studies indicate this (a simple google should do the trick). About the only real difference is that holding it to your head slightly limits your field of vision. It's the conversation that's distracting, not holding up the phone. Sorry.
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I second this. It's an especially bad idea when frustrated, as anger easily makes one unfocused on anything but the problem. I've had a few near-hits because of this, and I'm a pretty good driver.
Heck, with the amount of capabilities phones are having nowadays (and the increasing prevalence of unlimited text/minute bundles), even walking while using the cell phone is dangerous. I've lost count of the amount of time I've almost ran into someone or something simply because I wasn't looking up.
Keep with Tradition (Score:3, Interesting)
If that isn't possible NEVER use a handheld or try to text while driving, either is as bad or worse than drunk driving; and the police should pull over those that do.
Just talking on a hands free phone is no problem, so long as you strictly prioritise what you are paying attention to, the 'car kit' I have in my light plane works well for this, If there is radio incoming, the phone is -4dB, if you push the radio talk
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
But most people will say "Most people overestimate their skills, sure, but not me."
Re:Rules 1 through 7 of using a Cell Phone (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because X% of people who don't pay attention are on cell phones does not mean that the problem is the phone. The problem is people who don't pay attention to the road and who think the phone is more important than driving.
Got to disagree with you here--the phone is the problem.
I'm a commercially-licensed professional driver, by definition more rigorously trained, more experienced and held to a higher standard than the average driver. None the less, I've found that I can get distracted by a cell phone call no matter how hard I try to pay attention to the road. In fact, I will no longer use my cell phone while I'm driving a commercial vehicle and even in my personal vehicle will only answer calls if I can pull over safely within a few seconds of taking the call.
You may think you can use your phone safely while driving but you are wrong and your argument sounds a lot like those I've heard from people who claim to be able to drive while under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Don't kid yourself; pull over before you use your cell phone in the car.
first rule (Score:3, Interesting)
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You may also observe that most complaints against impoliteness can be answered childishly with "boo hoo." Whether you agree or not, etiquette is based on other people's feelings, so if your behavior is bothering other people, you are in fact being rude. We're not talking about a moral failing, but a social one, like slurping your soup or writing your email in caps.
If your instinct is to answer "boo hoo" to these complaints, then etiquette is simply not for you.
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Re:first rule (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not that they're talking on their cellphones that makes us say it's rude IT'S HOW THEY ARE YELLING ON THEIR CELLPHONES SO LOUD THE REST OF US CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER that makes us say it's rude.
Re:first rule (Score:4, Insightful)
It's not that they're talking on their cellphones that makes us say it's rude IT'S HOW THEY ARE YELLING ON THEIR CELLPHONES SO LOUD THE REST OF US CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER that makes us say it's rude.
Try riding in a bus with college students or younger. The ones on their cell phones often are the ones who are being -quieter- than their peers talking to other people right next to them. I can only assume this is because they've become more adapted to talking on a phone than talking face to face.
From my experience, it's often the older crowd that is actually doing much of the cell phone yelling. Judging from my mother, at least some of them are yelling because they don't know how to turn their volume up all the way and/or don't realize that just because they can't hear the other person doesn't mean they themselves can't be heard by the other person. Which is unpleasant for me and anyone who is actually near her.
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So complain about the issue that actually bothers you. You're annoyed by LOUD PEOPLE, not by people on cell phones.
No, I'm pretty much annoyed by people on cell phones whether they're talking or not. They tend not to be aware of what's going on around them, force others to step out of their way to avoid them as if they're some kind of royalty, and rather than admit when they've been acting badly will instead cop an imperious attitude (you know, the old "I'm on the PHONE how dare you interrupt me!" look.)
Hell, I was leaving the grocery store parking lot in my car, got thumped by this woman in her fifties who was just
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It's not that they're talking on their cellphones that makes us say it's rude IT'S HOW THEY ARE YELLING ON THEIR CELLPHONES SO LOUD THE REST OF US CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER that makes us say it's rude.
True, and if you'd like an excellent example of why a new cellphone etiquette is needed, check out this very educational YouTube video [youtube.com] on the subject.
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If you're talking to someone and it's a little noisy, you lean in and speak directly into their ear. If you're talking on a cell phone and it's a little noisy, you speak loudly to compensate. Big difference.
If I can hear what you're saying from the next seat, next table, or whatever, you're talking too loud. Cellphone or not.
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My own theory on this particular rule is that it's made by people who are not annoyed by the half-conversation per se, but rather that they're the kind of person who likes to eavesdrop, and eavesdropping on half a conversation just isn't as entertaining.
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I find that getting only half the conversation is almost always more entertaining. Less is more.
Well it probably is déjà vu. It sounds like it.
Ettiquette on public transport. (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey loud-mouth, damn right.
Stop nattering at 7am on the train when I should be in bed. Put your cellphone on vibrate and don't take calls. No loud music either, closed cup headphones or earphones are fine - but so help you if I can hear that the slightest tinny drivel.
Once you've learnt the art of not yelling at me when I'm forced into proximity with you, keep your arms on your side of the arm rest. Don't lean your elbow out and jab me. Sure as hell don't lean over and actually touch my upper arm with yours. This goes double for your legs. If you must use a laptop, don't keep poking me every few seconds when you try to hit the keys. If your size makes it impossible to sit on one seat: write to the train company and complain, do not force your disgusting fat body on other people. Get your damn luggage off the seat next to you and put it on the floor. If you must eat while sitting next to me (you really don't by the way) make sure it doesn't stink. Fish? No. Eggs? No. Samosa? No. No. No. Food aside, make sure YOU don't stink: showering and deodorant are not optional if you use public transport. It is absolutely not OK force people to smell you. Keep yourself to yourself, do not acknowledge anyone and DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT.
Unless you're a girl? Then you're all good.
Re:Ettiquette on public transport. (Score:5, Funny)
I have been on a greyhound bus, I would put a couple of more caveats on that one....
Re:first rule (Score:5, Insightful)
1. It is NOT rude to talk on your cell phone in a public place eg on a train or bus or w/e. just like how it isnt rude to have a conversation with a real person there. It pisses me off that on some busses I take they say "please dont use cellphones, it may disturb others" when it doesnt say "people dont talk, it may disturb others". in fact, on a phone there's less talking to be disturbed bya s thre's only 1/2 the conversation.
You are completely, absolutely, positively 100% incorrect. Studies have been done to prove it. It is WAY more irritating when you can only hear one side of the conversation, irritation amplified by the need that people have to raise their voices on a cellphone since they don't have the feedback that old analog landlines had. If you're not irritated by Incosiderate Cell Phone Man, you, sir, are in a small minority.
Incidentally, from TFA:
* 1. Lower your voice when taking calls in public.
* 2. Avoid personal topics when others can hear you.
* 3. Avoid taking calls when you're already engaged in a face-to-face conversation.
* 4. If you do take a call, ask permission of the people with you.
* 5. Avoid texting during a face-to-face conversations.
* 6. Put your phone's ringer on "silent" in theaters and restaurants.
* 7. Don't light up your phone's screen in a dark theater.
* 8. Hang up and drive.
* 9. Acknowledge the delay
* 10. Don't use Google Voice call screening with family and close friends
* 11. Don't blame the other guy for a dropped call
* 12. Avoid looking things up during a conversation
* 13. Be mindful about Facebook tagging
* 14. Avoid inappropriate profile pictures
At first glance I thought this article would be stating the obvious, but it's got some good stuff when you get past 8. Acknowledging the delay and reassuring the other person that you're not talking over the top of him is a great start, although I must say I haven't had that problem so much since I switched from Verizon. The delay on that service was so bad I ended up dreading every call.
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Does anyone know why mobile phones have so little feedback compared to most landline phones? Is it a technical obstacle, or do manufacturers just do it for the hell of it? If it's such an important issue, why do we still get it so wrong?
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I suspect it's because the people designing the phones don't really think about it and/or consider it a defect.
Conventional analogue phones have a lot of "feedback" (signal passing from the microphone to the earpeice) because the circuits in them that split incoming and outgoing signals are somewhere between non-existent and poor.
Digital phones (whether cell, ISDN or VOIP) don't have "feedback" unless the manufacturer explicitly adds it so many of them have none of it at all and if they do have it "artifici
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Speaking loudly to someone next to you is also rude. This doesn't mean that speaking loudly into a cell phone is not rude -- and despite what you think, you're *probably* talking loudly. More so than you would on a land line. I don't know whether or not it's necessary, but I think this a natural function of modern cell phones: your mouth is several inches in front of where you assume the mic to be - where it would be for a land line. Maybe kids growing up on cell phones now won't have this problem ...
Not just cell phones (Score:4, Insightful)
Cellphones only draw our attention because they're fairly new technology (compared to, say, pencils) and the offenses commitable with a phone can be extremely annoying and in some cases deadly.
This is a much broader topic if you take the time to look into it.
Re:Not just cell phones (Score:4, Insightful)
Car Stereos I think win the rude device award. If I can hear your stereo in my car with the windows up, ac on, and over my stereo it is TOO freaking loud.
Throw in playing songs with R rated lyrics so loud that you can not escape the strings of profanities and you have a recipe for bad manners.
Phones. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Phones. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Phones. (Score:5, Interesting)
Go talk on a conventional, passive landline phone, sometime. Foldback into the earpiece is an integral part of that technology, and it works: You can hear if you're distorted or scratchy, or muffled because you've positioned things wrongly, and if you can't hear yourself at all due to background noise you know you might want to speak up because they can't hear you, either.
It's all psychological. And people talking on the phone just want the other party to hear them clearly -- I cannot believe that they're all just purposeless loudspeaking assholes. But without any way for them to hear how they themselves sound, it's a crapshoot that's easiest won by just talking louder.
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Because of the bright moving light in my peripheral vision, you self-absorbed shitbag.
Re:Phones. (Score:4, Funny)
No idea why this got modd'd -1 Troll... The poster has a good argument as to why he should be allowed to look at his glowing cell phone screen at the movies.
Shouldn't it have been '-1, Utter Cunt' ?
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How anyone can carry a 'conversation' on a cell phone next to any other person is beyond me.
About the movie theatre thing, people should just turn them off. It seems rude to be doing other things when people are there to enjoy a movie. Of course, one fun thing one might do would be to challenge the movie theatre. Like, if someone is using the cell, even if just texting, during the movie, get up, seek a manager, and ask for a refund for the movie for permitting such a thing to go on. Make a big deal about it
You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've noticed that people needlessly talk very loud on celphones. People underestimate how well modern cel phones will isolate your voice from medium-noisy background pratter. People automatically compensate for the person not being in the room without even thinking about it.
If I'm in a public place such as a casual restaurant and I need to take a brief call, I answer in very low tones and the person on the other end can understand me just as well. My tone of voice is indistinguishable from other conversations happening in the area, and in fact is usually quieter.
Try it sometime as an experiment if you are used to speaking up on the phone, you'll find you can be heard just as well. I have a friend who literally doubles her volume on the phone. It's quite amusing and I have to remind her that she's doing it.
Also, if you have any kind of music as your ringtone (except for the harp sound on the iPhone) you should be shot. A phone should sound like a phone, not a disco.
Re:You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:4, Funny)
I've noticed that people needlessly talk very loud on celphones. People underestimate how well modern cel phones will isolate your voice from medium-noisy background pratter. People automatically compensate for the person not being in the room without even thinking about it.
WHATS THAT HONEY? YOU WANT ME TO PICK UP TAMPONS ON THE WAY HOME?
Re:You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:5, Informative)
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Also, if you have any kind of music as your ringtone (except for the harp sound on the iPhone) you should be shot. A phone should sound like a phone, not a disco.
IMO, I think Ringtones are the least annoying part about a phone, its just their volume that gets annoying. Much like someone talking too loud I don't want their ringtone to disrupt me either. However, if someone has a rap/punk/rock/pop/techno/classical/retro song for their ringtone, I have no issue with it whatsoever.
Then again - I'm sort of a people watcher. Sitting on the bus I'll look at people (trying not to stare of course) and figure out as much about that person as I possibly can. So if I'm in the m
Re:You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:5, Insightful)
IMO, I think Ringtones are the least annoying part about a phone, its just their volume that gets annoying. Much like someone talking too loud I don't want their ringtone to disrupt me either. However, if someone has a rap/punk/rock/pop/techno/classical/retro song for their ringtone, I have no issue with it whatsoever.
So, if someone's cell starts beltin' out Achy Breaky Heart, you do have an issue? Then J. Random OldDude probably has an issue with rap/punk/rock/pop/techno/classical/retro. Or one of those.
Besides, even if the ringtone is based on something I like, why is it a favor to me to hear a truncated, low-fidelity, looping fragment of it?
Sorry, a ringtone is a signal to the user of the cellphone that they have a call or message. Anything else is an abuse of the concept.
It is not a personal statement to every unfortunate within earshot, because in truth they don't give a rat's metric ass about you as a person, or about any statement you wish to make about yourself. You're a part of the scenery, and if your ringtone is loud, you're an annoying part of the scenery.
I'm 6'7" (2m to the US Customary challenged) tall, but I don't run around yelling I'm really tall. I like Metallica and Alan Parsons Project, but I don't blast either out of my cellphone. I really enjoy the occasional dram, but I don't slosh Laphroaig at folks with me at the bar because I think it's vitally important for me to make a personal statement about my superior tastes in whisky.
Sometimes I think the entire "Buy this ringtone and customize your phone to represent YOU" scam is one of the telecom industry's biggest worthless marketing success.
Music as a ring tone... (Score:5, Interesting)
Music as a ring tone...
Also, if you have any kind of music as your ringtone (except for the harp sound on the iPhone) you should be shot. A phone should sound like a phone, not a disco.
Actually, the first day we (all Apple employees at the time)m got our iPhones, we immediately hacked different ring tones onto them. Like less than an hour after we had them. With only the 25 original ring tones and a cafeteria that holds 1600 people, well you do the birthday paradox math.
-- Terry
Re:You don't need to yell into your phone. (Score:5, Informative)
Misdiagnosis.
It's not because people underestimate noise cancellation. It's because cell phones lack sidetone [wikipedia.org].
Telephone manufacturers have known for a century that sidetone is necessary for people to regulate their voice volume effectively.
Manufacturers should adress "that loud guy" issue (Score:2)
It seems to be so prevalent because cellphones don't appear to feed back what you're talking into the earpiece of your handset.
They can start with doing just that. Bonus: recognize high levels of noise in the environment (nowadays often not having much impact on the actual transmission due to noise suppression) and yank your volume in the speaker even more, to combat the reflex of talking even more loud.
Though I'm not sure how to make people understand that talking clearly is better than just being loud. Si
Look at Japan (Score:5, Informative)
Japan seems to have this issue solved.
Everyone texts on their cell phone, voice conversations in public are fairly uncommon. On a train, they have announcements to silence your phone, which most people do.
Even the crappiest prepaid phone has unlimited messaging/email for 300 yen a month, taken out of the 1,500 yen monthly fee, while voice is very expensive on that phone (90yen/minute).
Re:Look at Japan (Score:5, Funny)
About the Japanese subway stations:
1. The queuing spots are marked (in most cases)
2. The queuing spots correlate to stop markers which the drivers manage to actually stop on
Where I live when people see a train roll into the station they all rush toward the doors as if it's simultaneously the first train they've ever seen AND the last they're likely to see. Meanwhile the people on board seem rather confused by their stop and linger in the doorways. The drivers are content to stop "in the vicinity" of the station.
I won't even talk about the people who sit next to their bags or leave a newspaper where they were sitting. I suspect they are the same people who enjoy pulling the heads off of small mammals.
Bluetooth headsets make people seem insane. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bluetooth headsets make people seem insane. (Score:4, Funny)
Actually, I am insane. And wearing this little thing in my ear makes me appear normal!
Not only that, but some guys PAY me money now to look busy and sit in an office!
Re:Bluetooth headsets make people seem insane. (Score:5, Funny)
I just tell people I'm talking to Al. Their reaction is fun whether they get it or not.
This reminds me (Score:5, Funny)
Have you ever had a conversation with someone, only to find out a few seconds later they were on a Bluetooth talking to someone else?
That happened to me the other day - saw an old friend from Highschool on the train, he was half facing the other way because it was crowded.
I somehow went 3 whole minutes of conversation seeming completely fluid and comprehensible, only to see him turn and be like "Wow I haven't seen you since High School!"
You can imagine my baffled reaction.
Re:This reminds me (Score:5, Funny)
I somehow went 3 whole minutes of conversation seeming completely fluid and comprehensible, only to see him turn and be like "Wow I haven't seen you since High School!"
You can imagine my baffled reaction.
You're the last candidate I'd approve for a Turing Test.
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How was your a Turing Test?
Loudness (Score:5, Insightful)
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How about we use existing rules of etiquitte? (Score:5, Insightful)
"Don't be a loud, obnoxious asshole." Works for phones or any kind of conversation you're having in a public space.
"Don't drive like an asshole." Works for phones, texting, or just generally not paying attention to the multi-ton machine you're controlling while it hurtles down the road.
"Don't pull the asshole move of interrupting someone who is speaking to you by doing something else." Works for people who get a call in the middle of a conversation.
Really, "Don't be an asshole" is about all the etiquette we really need, and it's a lot simpler than trying to remember Emily Post.
Text (Score:2)
Wait for the apologists ... (Score:2)
A friend who works the pharmacy at Walgreens has some very entertaining stories to relate. Despite signs posted otherwise, people will pull up to the drive-through, with other customers waiting behind them, and continue conversations for a few minutes before turning to the pneumatic tube. Once, my friend asked one of these folks if there was anything they could do and received a lecture about how rude it is to interrupt someone's conversation.
Similarly, I see this waiting in line at restaurants all the ti
A bucket of water would help (Score:3, Interesting)
I think every row of cubicles at my work should have a bucket of water for the storage of unattended ringing mobiles. Presumably the person at the other end assumes the owner of the phone can't hear the ring to they keep trying. First offence: I remove the back and the battery. Second offence: into the drink.
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This had the added advantage of keeping yuppies from local b
Citizens Raging Against Phones (Score:3, Funny)
Lazlow: Ants, killer bees, fat people, what's plaguing you? Call now! Chatterbox, hello, you're on the air. ... wh-- what kind of moron are you, you wanna round people up for using a phone?!? But you-- your calling up on a phone t-- to tell the world about it! I, I mean, how many people are there in this 'CRAP'?
Caller: Err yes, I'd like to say something about these damn people on trains and buses in this city who yammer on and on into their cell phones. I'm really glad to hear about what your having for dinner! What we should do, is herd them up, and put them on an island. I am the President of a group called Citizens Raging Against Phones.
Lazlow: CRAP?!?
Caller: Exactly!
Lazlow: Your organization's called 'CRAP'
Caller: Citizens are raging against phones, Lazlow!!
Lazlow: How many people?
Caller: There are three of us. It's hard organizing meetings without the phones though. We've had to resort to carrier pigeons, and they keep disappearing.
Lazlow: What are you speaking to me on? What-- what's that in your hand?
Caller: I am not the problem! You are! And you're perpetuating the downfall of mankind! Liberty City was great before phones ruined everything.
Lazlow: Liberty City was a church, a cow pasture and three houses when the telephone was invented!
Caller: Liar!!
Lazlow: You're the liar!
Caller: Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Lazlow: What are... are you three years old?!?
Caller: Lazlow's a liar, Lazlow's a liar!! I bet that isn't even your real name.
Lazlow: Shut up!!
Caller: You shut up!!
Lazlow: Stupid!
Caller: Nanny nanny boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo!
Lazlow: Ohh...we're going to commercials!
Sometimes, you just gotta get down in the gutter (Score:5, Interesting)
While taking the bus to work, I endured about 10 minutes of non-stop, high-volume chatter about matters far too intimate for public exhibition. I finally reached my limit...couldn't concentrate to read, had forgotten my headphones, couldn't ignore the conversation (which was carried on at a near-shout). The offender was clearly a Jerry Springer fugitive, and if she wasn't a star of that People of WalMart site, her attire was such that it's only a matter of time. The faces of the other transit riders made it obvious I wasn't the only one offended by a conversation that included the woman's current sex life, how she enjoyed suckering her sister into babysitting so she could go clubbing, and some lovely racial stereotyping about her child's absentee father.
I pulled out my cell phone and began to carry on a fake conversation about the woman. I'll admit that I was pretty far over the top, but I was also seriously pissed. The other riders caught on pretty fast and started laughing. For at least a couple of minutes the woman was oblivious. Gradually, though, it sunk in...I think it was when I mentioned how lucky she was that the bus came along before that Inuit with a harpoon caught up with her.
She wound up cursing at me, but that was fine. A lot of people were laughing at her, which was exactly what I had in mind. She got off the bus pretty quickly after that. I don't know if it was her stop; I hope not.
I wouldn't recommend this course of action except under ideal circumstances, but I don't regret it.
Texting taken more seriously now (Score:5, Interesting)
But its no longer the case, texting has become a more widespread method of communication and therefore more formal. Especially since about 2006/7 when everybody started moving to Facebook with private profile, switched off Bluetooth and basically refused to talk to randomers anymore due to their paranoia.
Now if I meet a girl there is a perfect interval I have to wait
1. Before sending the first text
2. Before replying to a text
3. Before sending a second text after no reply (much longer)
4. Random 'padding' time in addition to these. A constant delay = freaky/stalker-ish
There is also the number of texts I can send without reply before I have to assume she wants absolutely nothing to do with me anymore ever or risk being publicly denounced as a stalker/rapist type person. (usually only 2 or 3)
Before I could send someone a text and they would get it when they are available and have their phone switched on. Now if I wake up at 4am and think of something I have to tell them I have to use a PyS60 script to schedule the text to be sent at a sociable time. Otherwise the person will go around saying "omg, he sent me a text at 4am!!! the crazy stalker, he is awake and thinking about me at 4am! how obsessive! lets call cops now pls kthbai!"
Voice calls are not immune either - I cant call someone out of the blue for a chat, before I could but now they assume there is something wrong with me if I do that. In the early 00's I could call people and talk about an hour and they'd think nothing of it. Now its common to text before call
When you send a text there is also risk that someone wishing to stir up some drama can isolate that particular text from the rest of the conversation and try to pass you off as a bad person.
Re:Texting taken more seriously now (Score:5, Insightful)
Now its common to text before call
Move. I've never heard this before, and it strikes me as the dumbest thing ever, unless it was created as an artificial meme by the phone companies (because the margin on text messages is almost 100%).
An important rule (Score:5, Funny)
Here's a few (Score:4, Insightful)
When checking out at any store, do NOT ignore the cashier while talking on the phone. The rest of us would like to check out as well.
When talking and pacing, try not to trample people around you.
If you're talking to someone in person and get a phone call, either politely end your face to face conversation or tell the caller you'll call back later. Do not put the actual person in front of you "on hold" and expect them to just stand there while you shoot the bull with your buds on the phone.
Do NOT expect to have privacy while yelling into your cellphone out in public. If your conversation is not for public consumption, go somewhere private. If your side of your "private" conversation suggests that you have the clap, I reserve the right to point, laugh, and make snide comments to my friends.
Re:not sure which is worse (Score:5, Insightful)
So you've had run-ins with people offended by how you use your cellphone?
The last thing we need is yet another stupid rule to obey that does little but reward over-sensitivity.
The rules are already there. They always have been. They're unspoken, like most rules of polite behavior. People who break them are really never punished, just labeled "rude" and properly ostracized. Perhaps confronted, but you never know where the line between "rude" and "sociopathic" lies in any given person, and it's not always worth risking unprovoked assault.
Nope, I am forced to conclude that inappropriate and rude use of a cellphone is far worse.
Re:not sure which is worse (Score:4, Funny)
I'm far more concerned with social crusaders who want to reward oversensitivity with new conventions, blah blah blah
Oh, the irony.
Okay how about this (Score:3, Interesting)
Baby dies in Torrens tragedy [news.com.au]
Responding to questions about the incident, police said Ms Lucas, 30, was jogging about 100m to the east of the Hackney Rd bridge about 8.45am when she stopped to take a mobile phone call.
She scribbled a number on her leg - she did not have writing paper - and turned her back to the pram.
When Ms Lucas finished the telephone call and looked up, her child and the pram had vanished.
Asked if she might have heard a splash or the sound of the pram falling into water, Chief Inspector Mick Fisher said he did "not want to speculate on that".
Witnesses said Ms Lucas, fearing Leonardo had been abducted, was "hysterical" as she ran along the path toward the bridge.
"Someone took my baby in a pram, a red Mountain Buggy," Ms Lucas told witnesses.
...and so on. Another moron with a mobile.
One man's stupid rule is another's etiquette (Score:5, Insightful)
You live in society, you follow society's stupid rules. Like, you know, wearing clothes, not stinking up the place, pooping only in designated areas, and so forth. We don't need any new rules to cover cell phones: we already have the rule to cover this: don't talk loudly in public places. You see, quiet is a shared resource. If you use up all the quiet, there is no quiet left for anyone else. That's stealing, and stealing is wrong.
Now, I will agree that taking a loud talker's cell phone and jamming it up their rectum is probably an over-reaction, but it really depends on the situation.
Re:It's Never OK... (Score:4, Interesting)
In 1948 Robert Heinlein wrote a story called Space Cadet [wikipedia.org]. Early in the story the protagonist is lining for something and his mobile phone rings. He answers the call. Its his dad asking about something but he ends the call saying can't talk now I am in a crowd. You know RAH was a pretty good futurist and got a lot of technical things right, but some things wrong too. Few people today would end a mobile phone call because there were other people around.