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The Software Router As MiFi Killer 192

An anonymous reader writes "The MiFi Mobile Router has been getting a lot of positive reviews these days, for combining a cellular modem, WiFi radio and battery pack in a portable device. But playing with a beta release of a software based wireless router for Windows 7 has me wondering if there's any future to these dedicated, multi-radio routers. Is the future that every PC should be a router? Or is that a job best left to a cell phone?" I just drove across the country and back with a MiFi (using Verizon's service, which was not zippy but very reliable); it strikes me that being nicely cross-platform and not requiring a laptop with its own cell-network connection is a serious advantage for the MiFi or any similar device.
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:32PM (#29900649)

    Is the future that every PC should be a router?

    No. Just no.

    The reason we want dedicated routers has nothing to do with computers being incapable of serving the same function. It's because we want to isolate functionality to minimize the risk of getting hacked. It's well known that connecting a Windows computer directly to the internet will result in it getting P0wned in almost no time. And *nix computers, while better, can still be vulnerable. And both platforms can become vulnerable when the wrong software is running (anything that listens on a port can be vulnerable).

    Basically, NAT routers are the only thing limiting the hordes of zombie WinXP boxes to a reasonable size. We don't want to give people who don't know better the idea that they don't need them.

    • by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:43PM (#29900803)

      Also electricity. I don't need a full blown computer running 24/7 just to provide wifi for my laptop.

      • 'Specially with an open WiFi, pulling pr0n torrents for the spoodge blasters, down the hall.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot@worf.ERDOSnet minus math_god> on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:26PM (#29901363)

        Also electricity. I don't need a full blown computer running 24/7 just to provide wifi for my laptop.

        Noise too. While modern PCs can be quiet, it's still something that hums away with its fans and hard drives spinning. Some people are disturbed greatly by the hum, others need it. But a router makes very little noise (usually a high-pitched squeal from the DC-DC converters).

        Also, if your PC breaks/gets infected/whatever, it'll take down your whole network. Now you gotta go and rig up your other computer so you can get on the 'net and download the necessary tools to fix it. A router? No changes, just go over and get the files while you fix.

        • by sootman ( 158191 )

          >> Also electricity. I don't need a full blown computer running 24/7 just to provide wifi for my laptop.

          > Noise too.

          And heat. Not cool (no pun intended) if you pay to cool your house.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      No, NAT is not a good thing, it breaks end-to-end connectivity. Many protocols do not work with NAT. And the superficial security NAT might appear to have is easily defeated through various techniques.

      Security is a good thing, this is provided by true stateful firewalls, which is orthogonal to NAT.

      In any case, these aren't the reasons people utilize routers.

      Windows has had Internet Connection sharing for a long time, but we don't see broadband users utilizing ICS.

      The more obvious reason is: c

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        This is not 1994, 99.9999% of home users with multiple computers have a single IP and use NAT so obviously it DOES work and works well. Saying that NAT is not as secure as a stateful firewall is not a apples to apples comparison, NAT alone is not a "firewall" and never was advertised or claimed to act as one. How can you compare the two? A firewall is can be used in conjuction with NAT and again, almost EVERY home router that has NAT also has a firewall.

      • "And it consumes less electricity, which is cheaper than leaving a PC on all the time for the convenience of other users. "

        Doesn't everyone leave all their computers on at home all the time anyway? Off the top of my head, I count 6 at home that I know are on...

        (I've still got to get the Sunfire and big Compaq Proliant server up and running again.)

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Khyber ( 864651 )

        "Also, a dedicated routing device is more reliable than a PC, generally won't blue screen or get viruses. "

        Nope but given the current shit state of electronics now days I'd not expect that piece of hardware to be worth the PCB it's built upon.

        To date, since 2002, I've had:
        5 Linksys routers
        1 Buffalo Router
        4 Netgear Routers
        2 D-Link Routers
        And a whole slew of other no-name generic routers, FAIL.

        Most of the Linksys ones just can't handle more than 2-3 wireless clients with a full ethernet switch load. Netgears

    • by Artraze ( 600366 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:59PM (#29901009)

      There are also lots of other reasons beyond security (as dedicated routers can be hacked too, of course):
      *) Stability: I don't want my whole network going down because I installed some updates or have bad software, poorly cooled hardware, etc.
      *) Power consumption: I don't want a 100+W system on 24/7 just to maintain my network.
      *) Hardware suitability: I don't want to need to have all my network stuff (wires, modem, etc) sitting under/near my desk when I can have my hub tucked away in a closet. Also, I don't want to have a bunch of NICs in my computer, using up slots and causing potential power problems.

      Those are just what I can think of, but that's more than enough for me. It's not as if this situation is anything new anyway... I used Internet Connection Sharing about a decade ago so I could have more than one computer using the dial up. Once I got high speed I was glad to get a dedicated router box so that my computer was free from being the gateway. I cannot foresee this changing; while merging devices is good, modularity is often better.

      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        "Stability: I don't want my whole network going down because I installed some updates or have bad software, poorly cooled hardware, etc."

        Remember Cisco running scared because an IOS exploit was made public? Yea, so much for stability or security argument.

        "Power consumption: I don't want a 100+W system on 24/7 just to maintain my network."

        As opposed to the multi kilowatt internet backbone that's already on 24/7 to provide you with connectivity? Sure, you've got a lower power device, but lower power devices a

    • this is correct.

      meanwhile, there is *tons* of software to allow PC's to be routers, and such has existed for a long time. I remember even windows offering this with some kind of connection manager for 98SE, and that ubuntu lets you create ad-hoc networks. Why is this being touted as new?

      • by hazydave ( 96747 )

        This provides both router and a Wifi infrastructure mode, not ad-hoc mode. And the router is the real thing, much better than MS's crufty ICS. For one, ad-hoc connections are usually limited to 802.11b speeds, up to 11Mb/s... infrastructure can go full speed (g/n). Probably no big deal for connection sharing, but for streaming media, big deal. You also can't disable SSID broadcast in ad-hoc mode (haven't figured out how to in Connectify yet, either, but it's at least technically possible).

        Apparently, this w

        • disabling SSID is a bad thing, it causes interference between WIFI channels. You'll actually get better reception between interference and less drops with SSID's being broadcast, as basically the other routers will recognize your SSID when it is broadcast.

          I agree with the rest, but hiding SSID's both a: doesn't do anything good and b: does things bad.

    • by mcgrew ( 92797 ) *

      Why not build the NAT router into the PC? I already have too many things connected to too many other things with wires. Put the router AND the hardware firewall inside the PC.

      • so now you have to run it all the time when you use the network and if the OS crashes, the network goes down (because the manufacturer cheaped out and offloaded some processing to windows to save $2/unit). Rebooting takes the network down, etc. Or plug in a 8W box and ignore it.
        • by Khyber ( 864651 )

          We *DO* have onboard NICs that are pretty responsive even if an OS crashes, as they're meant to be usable for wake on lan requests/power on lan requests. So, just build a router into a computer in the same fashion. Let the PC be off, but stil serve some power to the internal onboard router.

          I've had this idea in my head for at least four years, I'm surprised nobody has made a product, yet. I certainly can't have been the first to think of this.

          • What's the big draw? As I see it, you eliminate one box, but only if your PC is by the router anyway, and you have to do surgery on your computer whenever the thing gets upgraded. Me, I have a box and I leave it where it is for 2-3 years at a time.
            • by Khyber ( 864651 )

              You also eliminate the wires strung everywhere, only having one cable go into your computer and then serving up wifi to the rest of the systems in the house, or car, or whatever. Upgrades can be handled most likely by a firmware update, no need to open the computer. Also, being in a computer, you can grant it access to a hard disk partition for keeping logs, whitelists/blacklists, banlists, etc. Most regular consumer boxes are absolutely crap for log keeping without customized firmware, and even then the la

      • by hazydave ( 96747 )

        A hardware firewall is just a software firewall running on some else's CPU.

        Though there are a few PCs coming out with an auxilary ARM CPU... you boot up on the ARM quick, run Linux or Android or something, to do simple things, but boot the full x86 for "real work". You could put a firewall and router on the ARM, give it something to do when the "full PC" mode is activate. Hmmm.....

      • by dissy ( 172727 )

        I already have too many things connected to too many other things with wires.

        I am really curious how many things and wires you have there!

        Just think, it could be worse! [futureofre...nology.com]

    • Basically, NAT routers are the only thing limiting the hordes of zombie WinXP boxes to a reasonable size. We don't want to give people who don't know better the idea that they don't need them.

      Mmmm.... No.

      A properly configured firewall is the real solution.

      Preferably on the switch/hub/router, but if you have to put it on the OS by all means.

      Actually the real solution is to make the OS non-susceptible to running remote commands or code on its default configuration, but often that is too much to ask of some pe

      • Actually the real solution is to make the OS non-susceptible to running remote commands or code on its default configuration, but often that is too much to ask of some people.

        No, the real solution is what we already have - a separate box that mitigates most of the problems with billware. Much cheaper than getting MS to build secure software (along with every other software builder).

    • ...and the horse you rode in on, sir. [slashdot.org] And the horse you rode in on.

    • by Thaelon ( 250687 )

      The reason we want dedicated routers has nothing to do with computers being incapable of serving the same function. It's because we want to isolate functionality to minimize the risk of getting hacked.

      I'm pretty sure it was to connect computers together...

  • by lidocaineus ( 661282 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:39PM (#29900743)

    I mean if you're travelling, you either have something built in, a plug-in card, bluetooth tethering (I find this very convenient), and usb tethering. I've never been in a situation where I need to share internet access while travelling to multiple devices, and while I can see it being a possible need, it doesn't seem to be much more than a niche thing? Also, it's not TOO difficult to share a mobile internet connection provided you know the ins and outs of such things (though yes, this device would make it dead simple).

    Maybe someone can enlighten me.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by kent_eh ( 543303 )
      Perhaps a group of musicians/athletes/performers traveling on a tour bus? With laptops, Wii, wi-fi PDAs, etc.
      I'm sure there are other examples, but that's the first that popped into my head.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by oldspewey ( 1303305 )

        I've been to numerous client sites where our consulting team either:

        a) Could not get internet access onsite. Period.
        b) Had to wait literally weeks before the internet access we requested finally appeared.

        It's amazing the rube-goldberg-esque tethering solutions we've been forced to implement.

    • by corychristison ( 951993 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:47PM (#29900857)

      though yes, this device would make it dead simple

      I think that's the point. It is dead simple. It's virtually no configuration and it "just works." No fiddling about with drivers. It works with anything that has a usable 802.11 b/g/n wireless card in it.

      So, you can use an iPod Touch/iPhone, Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, or any other hand held device that supports Wifi and doesn't have the ability to do bluetooth or usb tethering.

      I think they need to start bundling these mini hotspots into cars for long trips. Then I can check my e-mail from my laptop (not while driving, mind you -- the wife can check it while I drive, or vice versa) the kids in the back can play on the net via ipod touch, or play their video games online with their DS/PSP, etc. etc.

      Lots of applications for portable wifi hotspots via the cell towers.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        My group does onsite visits to customer facilities. Often these locations do not have a network for us to tether into - which is why the MiFi is perfect for us. The group (under 5) can all connect out on my MiFi device and get very reasonable speed network access. This allows us all to stay on email, or RAS back into our corporate network.

        Note: We only need one device for this - and not an telco account for every user.
      • So I take it, it "just works" for any cracker too. How nice...

    • by Zerth ( 26112 )

      If you're in a group, it'd be handy if you didn't all have connections already. Also, I could see it be handy if you had a camera with one of those SD cards that uses wifi to transmit photos saved to network storage.

      Are there any standalone(not cellular) battery-powered routers? I haven't gone on a family car trip in ages, but if I did, I'd want some networking:)

      Plus, one of the holy grails of mesh networking is a cheap battery powered wifi router.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Orbijx ( 1208864 ) *

      I see exactly one use for the device.

      Assume for a moment that we have a family - a mother, a father, two and a half kids, and the dog. We're on a vacation (as opposed to staycation), and we're driving to [popular tourist destination] because it's cheaper than flying, even if it takes 19 hours of non-stop driving to get there.

      This family has a netbook for the children in the backseat to play their little saved games (perhaps you stuck an emulator on there and are letting them get acquainted with the golden a

      • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )

        You missed one:

        "Configure dad's laptop as a wireless router."

      • by tom17 ( 659054 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:26PM (#29901373) Homepage
        Just play 'I Spy' and *interact* with your kids.

        Tom...
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          This got modded funny? Really?

          I'm 24. The typical age for someone to seriously be saying "In my day" is probably twice that at least. And yet, "In my day", kids weren't supposed to be brought up by electronic babysitters. I'm still not sure they're supposed to be. Kids grow up to be whatever they're taught to be, and if you teach them to spend their whole lives wrapped up in the digital world, hey presto, it's probably gonna happen.

          Is the GP really saying "The only way for a group of people to share th

        • You really need to try playing I-spy on I80, anywhere between Reno and Chicago.. a Day of desert scrub, day of rolling plains, day of corn. You want to punch someone when they want to play that game again....

      • I see exactly one use for the device.

        ...

        (there are other scenarios that are similar to this, as well.)

        Hmm, I see, can you tell me more?

        Even ignoring the internal contradiction in your post. There are many more uses for this device than simply getting your kids online during a family vacation when the only alternatives are slapping them and giving them your laptop. That would actually be towards the end of the list for me if I were to start naming uses for a computer that can share a wifi connection. Of cou

    • What about in a car pool where a single device can give all the car pool occupants WiFi to work with? They could split the cost just like they do gas.

      Or just sharing a connection with any small group, that is the strength - yes the laptop can do this, but this device could share even when no-one had laptops but smaller mobile devices.

    • by afidel ( 530433 )
      A group of people at a client location who come and go and don't have access to the clients network. A group of people responding to an area recently hit by natural disaster where landline service hasn't yet been restored. Both are real world examples from my previous employer who worked with insurance companies, they were paranoid about security and needed our people down along the gulf coast just months after Katrina.
    • I have a MiFi that I use when I go on business related trips. Usually it is a small party of two or three people that come with me on trips (actually I am coming with them but that's just a matter of perspective.) I tote the MiFi device and when we're somewhere where there is no WiFi (I know sounds hard to come by these days but they do exist) we just slap this little device on the table and right onto our VPN we go.

      They simplify the whole thing greatly and that is one of the big appeals that drive this
    • by hitmark ( 640295 )

      sadly, way more devices have wifi then have bluetooth. And in some nations the carriers loves disabling bluetooth profiles they do not like, and get payed extra to turn them back on...

      the pan never really materialized, instead the devices converged.

  • Fast Cellular access is the key, cell phone based routers are the obvious solution since most computers lack any sort of cellular modem, and at best can use a dongle to do so. The dongle is a pain in the ass. Using one is often more expensive than sneaking wifi routing software onto a pda phone. Not to mention the question of which cellular carrier do you use so your computer can be locked into it.

    Basically, yes, as soon as PCs are able to access cellular networks easily, the cell-phone-turned-router wil

  • by ZackSchil ( 560462 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:42PM (#29900789)

    I like how this is suddenly news because Windows 7 has a GUI for this and touts it as a feature.

    Pretty much every modern OS can act as a router, even previous versions of Windows, without additional software. We don't use PCs as routers because it's wasteful and inconvenient. Think about it for 5 seconds: Why do people use dedicated router rather than using this feature that's been in the OS forever? It's because using a PC as a router is annoying and wasteful, even at home. One machine always needs to be on for the others to get a connection. If that one machine breaks, the whole network goes down. Apply this to the road where power and space are more scarce. Even less convenient.

    • by Andy Dodd ( 701 )

      There has been software written for Windows Mobile phones that provides this functionality in one package too. I haven't tested it yet, but it is supposedly supported by the HTC Touch Pro 2 that I got last week. It is known to occasionally cause overheating issues for the device though...

      The only special thing about the MiFi is that the terminal device, battery, and WiFi router/AP are all in one package.

      The W7 functionality is, as you point out, nothing new, it just may be easier to set up.

    • by oldspewey ( 1303305 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:53PM (#29900937)
      I used to run FreeSCO on an old P-133 box. Then one day I realized I was using about $50/yr in electricity just so I could have a "free" replacement for a $59.99 router.
      • by Hatta ( 162192 )

        I'm currently thinking about putting together an Atom 330 based PC for this purpose. It'll use about as much power as a CFL, so no problem leaving it on 24/7. Plus it's plenty powerful enough to do some web browsing and play some music at the same time. Yeah, it'll cost a little more than a router, but it can do a lot more.

      • I used to run FreeSCO on an old P-133 box. Then one day I realized I was using about $50/yr in electricity just so I could have a "free" replacement for a $59.99 router.

        1) Your elecricity cost estimate is high, that $60 router is also going to draw power. You calculated electricity including taxes, but the router without so it's even more expensive. I'd call it 3+ years before you make-up the purchase price... hope it works that long.

        2) There's nothing stopping you from underclocking and undervolting that

    • by VertigoAce ( 257771 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:05PM (#29901087)

      There are actually changes in Windows 7 that help with this. WiFi virtualization [istartedsomething.com] was added to the Windows 7 kernel allowing you to run two WiFi connections from the same hardware adapter. So you could put a PC in range of a normal access point and then share the connection by creating an access point on the second virtual adapater. With previous versions of Windows, you would need two hardware adapters, or you would be limited to sharing a LAN connection.

    • I like how this is suddenly news because Windows 7 has a GUI for this and touts it as a feature.

      Pretty much every modern OS can act as a router, even previous versions of Windows, without additional software.

      On the Mac, it is called Internet Sharing. I've shared my Bluetooth Internet connection over WiFi with a friend at work. I've shared my wired Ethernet at home over WiFi on a G4 Cube with a Wii, a laptop, and a tablet. Only powered on when I needed it though. You can bridge any two interfaces you want, but only two AFAIKT; you can't share Ethernet over WiFi and Bluetooth over Firewire all at the same time.

    • It's usually much more than just routing. It's an intelligent firewall, name server, intrusion-detection-system, honeypot, a printing and file server, a p2p client (and perhaps server), a very advanced answering machine that can route your calls trough VoIP and back if needed (very convenient if you want to call someone at home for cheap over the internet, while traveling), a development box (if you're developer), a multimedia device (with remote control, it plays internet radio streams for example), etc, e

  • Ack, with headlines shouting about Vishing and MiFi, two words I've never heard of, for possibly the first time in my life I feel out of the loop and too old for all these newfangled words, at 22. :-(

    My first thought was that MiFi was a form of WiFi for Nintendo Miis, but that can't possibly be right...

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:48PM (#29900871)

    The Intel laptop wireless chipsets have implemented this router "feature" for some time now, haven't they? And wasn't there a brouhaha because the router functionality was enabled by default at first?

    I find it funny that I'm starting to read and hear about all these Windows 7 innovations - well, they're apparently new to the Windows community anyway. The latest Network World Twisted Pair podcast discussed a great new feature of Windows 7... it's Leopard's "web clip"! Start your copiers, indeed...

    • Not sure, but XP could do this natively. You could usually just bridge the two connections and setup a peer-to-peer wifi connection. It was WEP only, I believe Win7 can do WPA2.

  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @01:48PM (#29900873)

    Joiku Hotspot.

    Every wifi capable (S60 3rd Ed phone models) mobile phone can be a wireless hotspot.

     

    • by dargaud ( 518470 )

      Every wifi capable (S60 3rd Ed phone models) mobile phone can be a wireless hotspot.

      Yeah, except many of them need to be rooted because the providers don't like it when you use your line for anything besides what they want you to use it for.

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:01PM (#29901039)

    Just to have internet access for my DSi or PSP. Mi-Fi gives me world internet access for anything that speaks Wi-Fi and fits very comfortably indeed in any pocket. Battery lasts longer than most laptops, too.

  • If only you could. Many cellular modem's have drivers that prevent this basically blocking any network access other than the cellular card.
    That aside sharing a connection with overages costing between $100 and $250 per gig and roaming ranging from $1000 to $20,000 per gig seems dangerous at best.

  • by GiMP ( 10923 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:19PM (#29901275)

    I tether my laptop to my Android phone via wifi. The advantage is that I don't need to carry a cellular modem for my laptop, have a separate data plan, or swap sim cards (on GSM networks). The fact that someone else can use the connection is an additional bonus. I used to have a separate data plan and 3G modem, and I'd even share this connection via iptables/NAT from my Linux laptop. It worked, yes, but it is much better to just let my phone handle this now.

    As for a MiFi, this is different in that you're using a special device, losing the advantage of leveraging your phone hardware, and ultimately pay more. The advantage being that you're not breaking your service agreement, have a carrier-supported solution, and you don't need to root your phone. With all of the limitations of the MiFi, it is not significantly better than using a cellular modem.

    Personally, I hope that carriers start to loosen up and allow (wifi) tethering, because this really provides the best of all worlds.

  • Symbian and WinMo phones already work as WiFi access points. The only reason iPhones, Android, and Blackberry don't is because their corporate masters don't let them.

  • by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:28PM (#29901401)

    Why use a simple device that works with an existing configuration when you can spend your time performing complex hacks on all your computers to find a way to patch them together into a vague approximation of the simple device? Because you want internet access to get work done, not a puzzle to solve to inflate your self-regard.

  • A stupid question (Score:5, Informative)

    by Nerdposeur ( 910128 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:29PM (#29901413) Journal

    So basically it's asking this: "Does being able to create a WiFi hot spot FROM your laptop replace a method of getting a WiFi hot spot FOR your laptop?"

    Seriously? The MiFi (for those that don't know) is a little credit-card sized WiFi router, offered by Verizon and Sprint, that gets its internet connection from the cellular network. So if you want internet and you're not near a network or hot spot, two options are:

    • Get a cellular data card and plug it straight into your computer, after installing drivers and maybe software to make it work
    • Get a MiFi (or similar router) and connect to it like any other hot spot. Let it make the cellular connection for you.

    Yes, if your primary concern is "how do I share my mobile internet connection with others," there is overlap between "computer as router" and the MiFi. But if you don't have an internet connection yet, the software router doesn't help much, does it?

    • by JSBiff ( 87824 )

      "Yes, if your primary concern is 'how do I share my mobile internet connection with others,'"

      Well, if that's not your primary concern, why bother with a Wifi router? It's just something else to go wrong (e.g. local interference in the Wifi channels). If I have no desire to share my cellular internet connection, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to use an ExpressCard or USB dongle to connect to the cellular network?

      Now, if you want to share the connection, I actually do like the idea of something like the MiFi. W

      • Well, if that's not your primary concern, why bother with a Wifi router? It's just something else to go wrong (e.g. local interference in the Wifi channels). If I have no desire to share my cellular internet connection, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to use an ExpressCard or USB dongle to connect to the cellular network?

        That's a good point. However, looking at it another way, it's one LESS thing to go wrong on your computer. Your computer is using the same WiFi connection it always uses to get on the web. You

      • <quote><p>"Yes, if your primary concern is 'how do I share my mobile internet connection with others,'"</p><p>Well, if that's not your primary concern, why bother with a Wifi router? </p></quote>

        Because the ExpressCard or USB dongle is Windows only, and you use a Mac or Linux machine.
        Or there are x86 Linux drivers, and your Linux laptop is ARM based.
        Or your laptop is Windows 64-bit, and the only drivers available are 32-bit.
        Or your company's laptop is configured to not le
  • Next up... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Nerdposeur ( 910128 ) on Wednesday October 28, 2009 @02:32PM (#29901441) Journal

    "The water jug as faucet killer."

  • Next on /. it'll be "Unicorns from Intel magically displace all PC's" or perhaps another annoying post
    or perhaps one of a million intentionally badly spelled bot generated emails that ends up in my gmail's spam filter selling "chaep druzz 4 yoou"

    Seriously why us this /. material?!

    • by Cprossu ( 736997 )

      In other news Nerd Rage is a good bypass for the preview button.
      (*why us this = why is this, )

  • This is probably a plant from someone connected with Connectify.

    Just about every machine has some way to do NAT. The first time I ever did NAT was via an Amiga under AmigaDOS 3.1.

    Why is this discussion worthy?

  • Hmm.
    I read that title as ...a MFFY Killer

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