Microsoft Study Says Repetitive Strain Injury Costs $600m 169
4roddas writes "Work-related RSI cases are at an all-time high and the cost to businesses is spiraling, new Microsoft research reveals.
Repetitive strain injury cases have soared by over 30 percent in the last year, costing businesses over US$600 million in lost working hours — and causing pain and debilitating discomfort to over-worked staff.
Microsoft claims the rapidly emerging trend of 'mobile working' — with office-based employees now working on the move for an average of an hour more per day than they did two years ago using laptops and mobile devices — is behind this alarming climb in work-related injury.
The company arrived at its conclusions in a poll among over 1,000 office workers, HR managers and office managers. This showed that 68 percent of office workers suffered from aches and pains, with the most common symptoms including back ache, shoulder pain and wrist/hand pain."
I hate to sound cynical, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, first post?
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Dont you read /.?
Yesterday they announced MicroSoft "Touch" - today they announce a reason to want it.
Plus ca change...
Re:I hate to sound cynical, but ... (Score:5, Informative)
Here [microsoft.com] is the original article from Microsoft, most of it is an ad for thier products.
One thing to note, Microsoft did not release this as a press release it is just part of the normal "Here is a way Microsoft can help you" marketing.
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They are like some sort of evil parent that loves you but doesn't want you to grow up and go out on your own life.
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(oblig. "That explains Vista" joke.)
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How on earth did that transform to 'most of the article' when you decided to point it out?
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Worst for me though are laptop keyboards - stupidly tiny keys that don't ever seem to have the tactile response I like from a keyboard, no matter which brand I use. I also tend to get my fingers confused when there's no numpad.
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Dear Sir or Madam:
We had hoped you wouldn't notice that, and would appreciate your not pointing it out to others.
Sincerely,
Microsoft Marketing
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The first portion explains the problem and then mentions that you should purchase a seperate mouse and keyboard for your notebook users. A nice push into a market where Microsoft is loosing sales since the mouse/keyboard come built in.
The next part then pushes reasons to get an ergomonic mouse and keyboard.
The final part talks about the products, has a mention by a Doctor why you need one, then tell you to go get your boss
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The problem is that it's not a good keyboard design. If we stick to a (roughly) flat board with buttons on it, you first of all want more space between the hands, since that's how you hold them naturally. Second of all, you want vertically aligned keys (the unaligned keys is a holdover from typewrite
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Now, I'm not saying it's useless either, and there are efficiency gains to be made, but 15:1? I doubt that.
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Agree that 15:1 sounds crazy - but the more you look into it the more reasonable it seems. Consider the most frequent digraphs: th he an in er on re ed nd ha at en es of nt ea ti to io le is ou ar as de rt ve. On a qwerty you can type only 1 of 27 on the homerow (as). On Dvorak you can type 13 of 27.
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As I wrote in another post [slashdot.org], the ratio is only 1.7 to 1 concerning horizontal travel, or 2.5 versus 1.4 cm per keypress. The data [siteuri.ro] does not show total travel distance, but it does tell us that Dvorak has 54% of the keypresses on the home row, versus Qwerty 23%. If a non-home key adds another 1.5 cm of vertical travel, we ge
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Cool but useless. (Score:3, Insightful)
Nobody stay immobile the whole day with their back straight hand laid down in optimal(c) position(r) the whole day.
Or if they actually do, they're going to have lots of back and neck pain very fast.
All these device are optimised for a specific optimal position.
Whereas, changing position often is critical against back/neck pains.
Thus these devices aren't polyvalant enough for someone who's go
Dvorak v. Qwerty (Score:3, Informative)
The ratio is more like 1.7:1 according to this keyboard analysis on prose [siteuri.ro]. For 250 kB of text, you travel 6.3 km on Qwerty and 3.7 km on Dvorak (only horizontal travel counted). If you don't spend too much time thinking about what you write, you might be able to type that amount in 3 days or so, so 2 versus 1.3 km per day.
(Happily using Dvorak since 1995)
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a colleague of mine has now rsi, too and has bought the natural ergonomics 4000 keyboard because he has seen mine. he likes it, too.
Aikido (Score:2)
I use and recommend MS ergo keyboards (Score:2)
I'll tell you up front, I think the Microsoft ergo keyboards are better than standard ones.
The slight angle of the two halves lets the two halves line up more naturally with the way I want to hold my hands. And they do have some space between the hands.
Once I stressed my shoulder, and I found that typing o
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How does it fare for programming, though, with the odd placement of the braces and square brackets(which are on the top row, right next to backspace)?
I know there is "Programmer dvorak", but it's not a layout that ships with a lot of operating systems --- IIRC neither OS X nor Windows offer it --- and how do you fare on using other computers, which don't have the dvorak keyboard layout installed?
I've been considering switching to dvorak, but I'd like to know how significant those drawbacks are in realit
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If you stop and think about it, curly brackets doesn't make up an overwhelming amount of your typing. True, it's typed more than in English prose, but there's always the if, while, for or what have you on the line before. Plus a lot of non-block statements.
That said... I don't find it a problem. My keyboard (the kinesis I linked to) has curly brackets on the top left and right corner keys, which is slightly weird (esp. that they're not adjacent), but I don't think it hinders me in any way
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Not everything MS does has evil intent behind. Some sure, but not all.
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Microsoft finds linux suxxors because it doesn't use a shiny logo study = FUD.
but
Microsoft finds RSI is bad = maybe FUD to sell their stuff, maybe useful research.
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Focus follows mouse,
Scroll working over systray, e.g 0 clicks to change volume,brightness,etc vs 3.
I just wish more programs used these.
Just think of the poor workers (Score:1, Offtopic)
In other words (Score:4, Funny)
Translation:
"...not enough companies are replacing their existing office equipment with ergonomic hardware that can run Vista."
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IIRC, the Windows key has to be dimpled, and there might be some positioning requirements.
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The research stuggests that one of the main factory behind the high number of injuries is because Microsoft is replacing their existing office equipment with chairs.
not to mention the eye strain (Score:2, Interesting)
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I don't think Microsoft wants to go there... (Score:5, Funny)
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Seems to be the opposite of what I thought (Score:4, Interesting)
I have to say that this is amazing, when you give your employees the ability to work at home, they over work themselves.
That seems the opposite of conventional wisdom, and I remember reading another story here, some time ago, that said that in the office employees think that telecommuters appear to be doing less work.
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Because you know you are one click away from redundancy by SMS message.
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We went through this in the 90's on desktop hardware. There was a rash of repetitive strain injuries, and almost every office made some concession to ergonomics. Keyboard trays that could be precisely positioned, wrist pads and adjustable chairs became the norm. Every office seemed to offer courses on how to avoid RSI's at your desk including how to sit properly, how to position your
Clearly, what is needed is a new interface (Score:3, Interesting)
Naively I ask, does Microsoft have any such projects in development?
hmmm....
Idiots. If they wouldn't pop up a notification every time a computer farts or a mouse is plugged in, maybe interfacing with the computer wouldn't be so, you know, repetitive!
This is why... (Score:1, Redundant)
Conspiracy theory one: (Score:3, Insightful)
2. Discredit mobile computing (where you aren't doing so well) by blaming it for a medical condition.
3. Profit!
Seriously though, how is it news that performing more of a repetitive action that causes RSI causes (wait for it!) more incidents of RSI?
I'm more interested in the phenomenon whereby technology that is supposed to make our working lives easier and faster is actually making us work more. (I know, it's not *making* us work more, but why on Earth would anyone want to do more work in more time? Doing the same work in less time, or more work in the same time I can understand).
We have treatment options at work (Score:4, Interesting)
I've had ART done on me for running injuries (repetitive strain) and it's worked really well, I recommend it.
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I don't think the original "injury" is usually caused by the repetitive motions, it's just aggravated by it. Fix the problem, not the symptoms.
Wish the company would have one on staff, so I didn't have to pay for it, though...
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Wow, that just sounds so
I wish my company would implement such a policy. I'm sure I'd be much more productive after a little morning 'release' to get my day off to a good start.
Cheers
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Known cure (Score:4, Informative)
The underlying cause of RSI is that you dont need to be very accurate to hit keys on a keyboard, and so you can be fairly indiscriminate about which keys you hit. The nerves all activate together, and, over a long period, you lose the ability to distinguish between nerve fibres.
Enbroidery requires you to be very accurate, and you re-learn the use of the individual nerves.
I leave google as an exercise for the reader, while I get back to my needlework.
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Sounds interesting, but I'd wager that learning to type does the same. By that I mean learning correct posture and arm and wrist position/angle, etc. before you start the process of learning to hit keys.
Alternatively, I suppose, one could use a "natural" keyboard, in the same way one can learn to slouch in a comfy chair and watch TV "comfortably". Or make up for one's lousy posture and bad habits by getting an o
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Searching for "embroidery repetitive strain injury" on google only finds articles on how to prevent developing rsi while doing needlework.
http://needlework.craftgossip.com/rsi-repetative-stress-injuries/2008/03/05/ [craftgossip.com]
http://www.punchneedleembroidery.com/pages/default.cfm?page_id=6180 [punchneedl...oidery.com]
http://www.content4reprint.com/hobbies/arts-and-crafts/how-to-avoid-repetitive-strain-injury-rsi-when-cross-stitching.htm [content4reprint.com]
So if you wouldn't mind sourcing your statement, I would appreciate it.
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Or, rub one out before you go to bed and mess up your sheets.
Oh, er, wait
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And, in the world of human endeavors
That just seems like such a very specific "only" cure as to seem implausible.
Cheers
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It started slowly, bit of pain on wrist. Pain on neck, pain on back. Then it hit hard and fast. One day suddenly I started feeling pain shooting down may arm, stronger and stronger, it wouldn't stop. And it kept on going... for days. Even when that feeling stopped I couldn't even lift my arm to my chest. After some days I could move better, but typing immediately gave me pai
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Ironic (Score:2, Insightful)
Why the sudden interest (Score:2, Interesting)
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Not really. The widespread diagnosis of RSI is a fairly recent phenomenon, and then it applies, outside of industrial or factory environments, mostly to office workers using keyboards, and not to those who pounded their days away on Underwoods or, if they were lucky, IBM Selectrics.
It's the opposite in the Netherlands (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.nu.nl/news/1569649/36/rss/RSI-klachten_weer_op_niveau_van_10_jaar_geleden.html [www.nu.nl]
(sorry it's in dutch) our RSI numbers are down to the same as ten years ago. So we don't see to have the problem that MS is warning us about.
I wonder why that is?
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Of course, people would rather blame somebody other than themselves for their injuries, and companies like Microsoft would rather sell you software or hardware to solve the problem...
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I wonder why that is?
RSI = Banging head on desk for.... (Score:1)
Dvorak (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm on a computer a good portion of the day and really enjoy using the Dvorak keyboard layout. Some studies say they layout results in faster typing, some say not, however the amount of finger travel required to type on Dvorak is substantially less than qwerty. I've been using Dvorak for about 12 years now and haven't had any wrist trouble.
It just makes sense to use a optimized keyboard layout instead of an intentionally de-optimized layout from 130 years ago that was primarly designed to prevent typewriter hammers from sticking together. To further show how asinine the qwerty layout is, one of the marketing directives was to put all the letters to spell TYPE WRITER, which was the machines' brand name, on the top row so salesmen would have an easy demo.
This also keeps co-workers off my console in the event I forget to lock it. What's even more amusing is to change someone else's layout to dvorak and be there when they get confused. I quickly ask them to show me and I type something in front of them. We go back and forth a few times and for a split second, I take amusement in that person questioning their own sanity.
Ahh that explains... (Score:4, Funny)
Ow! (Score:2)
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Man... been there. Still there in fact, and have been for the last two years. Had surgery where they found a torn tendon and repaired it, although that made no difference I can tell. Dropped a hot cup of soup in my lap pretty recently. They've done nerve tests, MRI, you name it, and not found a real problem. They didn't even see the torn tendon until exploratory surgery. They are "sure" it's not carpal tunnel, and in fact keep concentrating on the top side of my wrist even though I feel all the pain in the
What OS though? (Score:1, Insightful)
I've never had RSI issues using a Mac (16+ hours per day), whereas I often have pain
left hand or right?? (Score:2, Insightful)
Probably from (Score:2)
Microsoft makes ergonomic input devices (Score:1, Redundant)
Does RSI exist? (Score:1)
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I imagine (Score:4, Funny)
Thank you, I'm here all night! Try the veal!
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Ctrl-Alt-Del...... (Score:3, Funny)
question of metrics (Score:2)
pffft (Score:4, Funny)
what i've done is devoted my eating regimen to ice cream, fast food, and sugary sodas, thereby establishing a nice shelf space, massive rolls of belly fat, on which to perch my laptop. now that my laptop is securely nestled close to my face, my wrists assume a natural curvature during typing, my back is straight rather than stooped over, and i've even reduced my eye strain
therefore, i heartily (cough wheeze) endorse a high calorie regimen to decrease RSI via belly perching your laptop for better ergonomics. its a dramatic improvement in joint health
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Where I work, I see several people use their laptop as the primary computer during the work day, with no benefit of docking station or external monitor/keyboard.
Though I find laptop usage merely uncomfortable I wonder if the cramped keyboard, small screen and zero screen elevation makes them more prone to induce RSI injuries.
Ergonomic keyboards FTW (Score:2)
This "$600 million" number is meaningless (Score:2)
This number is meaningless. Is that a lot? It sounds like a lot, but I have no frame of reference. A 30% increase from its previous value sounds significant, but it, too, is meaningless it's based on a value that has no comparison to anything else. It might not be so significant if, for example, accidental stapling of documents to people's fingers (which rarely happens...at least, where I work) costs industry $800 billion a year.
Does this strike anyone else ? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why is it that money is more important, aside the fact businesses enslave their employees through overwork and deadlines?
RSI is not only caused by bad positioning, but also by expecting more than which can be given. By stressing the body way overtime.
What's going to be next ? Sleep deprivation costs businesses $600m ?
To my opinion the root cause should be talked about instead of the result in an entities wallet.
Treat the root-problem instead of looking to the consequences only.
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$600 million? (Score:2)
Microsoft's three-key keyboard (Score:2)
Major Cause? (Score:2)
try a laptop stand (Score:2)
5 pt font footnote states... (Score:2)
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