Rumors of Google and Dell iPhone Rival 146
An anonymous reader writes "Speculation is mounting that Google is plotting the launch of a mobile phone in partnership with computer giant Dell.
Senior industry sources claim the two companies will reveal their plans at next month's 3GSM telecoms conference in Barcelona, although Google insiders deny an announcement is due in the near future."
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Yup, Dell hardware powers Google's search appliances (a PowerEdge 2950 to be exact wit ha funky yellow bezel), Google software comes on all Dells. While that's not big deal, there's even a Dell/Google Portal [google.co.uk]. Basically, they already have a partnership.
Given that the last sentence of the linked story is incorrect - Dell currently does not manufacture its own range of handhelds - there's a good chance that there may be some flames accompanying this smoke, for the simple reason that Google aren't a hardware company. They play the tech market more like MS in that they supply software and services, but partner to build devices.
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citations please .. (Score:2)
Do you have any sources for how many companies Google bought out as compared to those they signed a partnership agreement? What WiMax fiasco are you refering to?
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Competition is GOOD (Score:4, Insightful)
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That would certainly have amazed me too, given the iPhone doesn't have 3G capability. I guess he could have used the iPod to get a 3Mbps WiFi connection then passed that to the laptop via Bluetooth.
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This is all a bunch of nonsense.
Re:Competition is GOOD (Score:5, Interesting)
1. iPhone is not available in Japan because it doesn't support wCDMA/EVDO
2. iPhone can't be tethered.
3. iPhone doesn't have 3G.
4. Japan's fastest network maxes out at 2.4Mbs (and is not symmetric: 2.4 down, 144kbps up)
5. Japan doesn't use euros.
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1. NTT DoMoCo supports a GSM network [gsmworld.com] within Japan.
2. The CECT p168 is a close clone of the iPhone [intomobile.com], close enough that if you looked at it across a larger table you may think it's an iPhone. And many of the CECT clones have tethering ability.
3. See number 2 - a clone that supports 3G.
4. See number 1 - DoMoCo apparently supports 3G services in Japan.
5. He may be just nationalizing the cost into money units he normally uses, like most Americans are apt to do (rather than state
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FOMA [wikipedia.org] is not GSM, nor is it even UMTS, though it is compatible with the latter.
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I guess you mean KDDI. EMobile offers 7.2Mbps down, 384kbps up, Softbank and Docomo both offer at least 3.6Mbps down on their HSDPA networks, so you picked Japan's slowest network.
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I also had doubts about the symmetry of the connection but he told me he had 3Mbps upload and download, he told me it was a recent possibility, he looked like he knew what he was talking about.
iPhone have been bought in US by Apple geeks since they were released. I know many people in France who bought one in US before it was nationally released. I don't understand these people very
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If you are using bluetooth (much more simple), take a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_setup_Bluetooth [thinkwiki.org].
These places should get you started. You might still need to configure something on your phone, but the real tricks are on the above addresses.
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Yes, we're WAY behind! (Score:2)
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Computer Giant Dell? Apple's market cap is almost 3X Dell's.
Anyway, Dell makes things out of hardware they find laying around in China but they don't really innovate anything. Besides, Google's CEO sits on Apple's Board. I don't see Doogell Phone happening, but ready to be surprised.
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Points well taken, AC. The products ordered from Austin (from the same Chinese factories used by Cupertino) are still very... well, blah. Making things work better, despite the activity you're reporting, isn't one of Dell's lauded hallmarks. When was the last time anyone talked about a "Dell killer" in the industry (unless you worked for HP)? Ever? On the other hand, practically anything out of Apple, even if it's a ho-hum flop, gets lots of media attention (positive and negative) and a hundred manufacturer
Fake Chinese iPhone info (Score:2)
Didn't the Chinese release an iPhone clone weeks after the iPhone was released, with added functionality?
They released something that looked vaguely like an iPhone with absolutely appalling software. To give you an idea of the attention to detail we're talking about, when you boot it up you hear a Windows startup chime!
I'm usually much more keen on reading text on the screen than watching videos, but in this case you really have to see the fake iPhone demo [youtube.com] to get an idea for the sheer awfulness of the thing.
Apple took two and a half years, 200 engineers and many millions of dollars to build iPhone. You real
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In europe desipte having massive roaming charges everyone uses GSM phones. you can take your phone anywhere, swap out your normal SIM card and put in a local prepaid one and continue on.
Cell phones in the USA is a joke compared to both of those regions.
Re:Competition is GOOD (Score:4, Interesting)
Ummm... wtf? We do the exact same thing here in the US. For example, when my wife needed a replacement Razr (something blew internally), I saved the SIM card and stuck it in an old Nokia we had lying around. My wife continued to use the Nokia until her new Razr arrived. I popped the SIM card in the replacement phone, and she was up and running again.
I made sure to store her phone #s to the SIM card as well, so that she would have them on the other two handsets. I backed the other data up using a USB mini cable, which I was then able to plunk into the new Razr when she got it.
We may be lagging with Japan, but I really don't understand your comparison with Europe.
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Oh, and our phones aren't artificially limited from tethering, using bluetooth or any other such BS. They all come with the stock software and all features enabled.
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If you have orange(UK) you can swap your sim card and use your phone with t-mobile in germany without roaming charges.
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That's because Sprint and Verizon are 3G carriers. Which is much closer to what the Japanese have. (Though as you pointed out, there are portability advantages to the 2G GSM networks.)
I know. T-Mobile is a German company that setup shop here in the US. As a result, they allow international use of their networks when traveli
...and the Zune is an iPod killer. (Score:1, Troll)
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just because apple's marketing is way more efficient at creating hype, doesn't change the fact that the iphone has _hundreds_ of competitors that apeal to the "i just want a phone that makes calls" crowd, and bunch of competition on the smartphone area.
one guy here at the office offered me an iphone he brough
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No wifi and lack of sufficient internal storage, yet you can claim that? It's a competitor, but it doesn't do everything the iPhone does.
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I personally buy electronic gadgets first for the functionality. The form is a nice add-on but hardly the killer feature.
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The form is essential to the functionality
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You are assuming that, instead of a $600 iPhone, I am getting a different $600 phone with more features than an iPhone. My point was that I don't pay that high a premium for asthetics, so I will stick to one that is cheap and just as functiona
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We're a rare breed (Score:2, Interesting)
Incidentally, I purchased a Zune last month. Still a little sore over Apple's treatment of third party developers re: iPhone... (which is an even rarer take than function > style)
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Smartphones, of which the iPhone barely qualifies, all suck and the iPhone is best of breed only because it sucks marginally less than everything else. It is not especially stable, not easier to use, and not particularly high in functionality. It's easy to imagine a device thoroughly better than the iPhone, though apparently harder to deliver than it seems like it should be. It's time for a clever company, which Google may very well
Brilliant news! (Score:1)
Where do I buy Google and Dell stock? I'm gonna be RICH!
Competition at last? (Score:4, Insightful)
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But surely nobody can hope to rival Apple's mighty 0.1% market share!
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What?
Nokia? Sony Ericsson? Samsung?
I know this site is supposed to be U.S. centric, but have we now regressed to ignoring companies that aren't American? Hell, even the title says that Google and Dell are releasing an iPhone rival instead of a smartphone. Please stop this already. We don't have to kleenex every single product Apple decides to market.
Dell will lose even more money (Score:4, Insightful)
Dell is good at selling commodity products to businesses and value consumers. When they try and move up the food chain, they don't do so well, the Alienware acquisition notwithstanding.
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Not even that. In my university research group we stopped buying Dells because the brand-new machines consistently arrived with so many defects (e.g. drives installed improperly) and were just difficult to work with. For example, we bought two high-end workstations that within weeks of each other. After a while we decided to move the extra memory from one to the other and discovered we couldn't because even though they were exactl
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Because the DJ was such a success... (Score:5, Insightful)
Half baked and abandoned hardware - yeah, that's what I really want in a device.
Sorry, but there has got to be a better hardware vendor to choose than Dell for such a venture. Dell consumer is about high turnover and commodity parts that can be changed with the wind when prices fluctuate - not what I want in a phone builder. Doesn't Nokia or Moto want a piece of this kind of action?
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However, I have to take contention with the Axim - it was a damn good PDA and most certainly not half-baked. It always came high up in Microsoft Mobile device reviews and was early to have a VGA screen, Wifi, BlueTooth and GPS. While the range was canned, I'm not so sure it was just Dell doing this at the time - the market for PDAs shrunk massively since smartphone
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Now, if you put HTC and Google together - I'm listening.
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better hardware vender ... (Score:2)
Does Dell get its chips and hardware assembled in different Chinese factories than Nokia or Moto, if not then your whole point is void. A big plus for such a deal would be Dells consumer and distribution channels
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Things aren't much better over on the software [Google] side - where apps lanquish in 'beta' for years, user interfaces tend to be idiosyncratic, and updates tends to be sizzle rather than steak.
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They can call it.. (Score:3, Funny)
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Names (Score:2)
the GD-ItPhone, which might be the expletive used by the early buyers
On a more serious note, they'd better out do iPhone 2.0 and come in under the current iPhone pricing.
Just my 2 copper coins of the realm.
I'd prefer a device that runs Linux (Score:1)
While I'm dreaming, I'd like it to support email and web, and include Eclipse or some other similar IDE, movies, music, and the ability to act as a guitar tuner.
And a camera, a radio, a GPS, an emergency aircraft beacon, an accellerometer in three dimensions for Wiimote emulation, and I'd like it to fit in the palm of my hand and hook to
Thing's that you're l'ble to read in the bible... (Score:5, Interesting)
Ain't necessarily so.
Specifically, Google has put a lot of weight behind Android [google.com]. If Google sells an 'own brand' phone - even if it's a Google/Dell own brand phone - then that kills all other Android phones stone dead, because none of the other serious mobile phone vendors will want to be using a competitor's OS. So Google, who aren't stupid, are not going to do this.
This rumour is one of two things:
Android can be multi-vendor (Score:4, Insightful)
Most of the Windows phones look so similar that they are primarily Windows phones with MS-brand images being larger than the manufacturers logos etc(Ooh look! A Windows phone, I wonder who makes it). The MS/Windows brand is the strongest brand on these devices.
The first one or two Android phones will get a lot of reflected Googleshine, just like the launch of the first few MS phones.
Re:Thing's that you're l'ble to read in the bible. (Score:2, Insightful)
Come to think of it, Dell manufacturing/re-branding a low-end smartphone would seem to fit with their existing strategy. Much like their PC segment, they could sell the device cheaply and make money selling high margin accessor
devices that aren't limited, good voice & bw (Score:2)
dell isn't a technology company (Score:4, Insightful)
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But... but... (Score:3, Funny)
But Apple only makes niche market products! The real threat is clearly Windows Mobile...
{/sarcasm}
Alliance of Common Tactics (Score:1)
Google wants to commodotize phone hardware. Let's face it, phone companies suck at software.
whatcouldpossiblygowrong? not much. (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone else who's sick of whatcouldpossiblygowrong abuse, please go ahead and put in a !whatcouldpossiblygowrong into the tags box.
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Great! (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, because Android is an open framework, we should expect a great number of third-party applications, something that the iPhone currently lacks.
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whatcouldpossiblygowrong (Score:4, Interesting)
And what could make it even better? (Score:4, Interesting)
as described by Microvision's statement that they are in talks with a major company [microvision.com]. Could you imagine a phone with a projector? I sure could... and I want one.
In other news... (Score:2)
Seriously, "Senior industry sources" could mean anything. It probably means "some people we went down the pub with that actually work for a from a company that you've heard of".
(and no, in case yo
Im afraid of Google-phone (Score:4, Funny)
sorry, can't do (Score:3, Insightful)
Nokia, Siemens, Motorolla - they all suck in the useability department. Most of them suck hard and long.
Dell, HP, Palm - useability ok, but the feature set is never quite right
Google - interface ok, useaful, but thrives too much on hiding things (how many of your non-geek friends now even a fraction of the cool things you can do in the Google search input field?)
The only company that comes to mind as comparing to Apple in the design department is Nintendo - and I'd be more than surprised if they came out with a mobile phone ("DS+Talk" ?
gMaps and HTC....mmmmmmm (Score:2)
HT
Google and Dell? (Score:3, Interesting)
What might be happening is that Dell is designing a phone based upon Android (like many other hardware vendors will be doing). Google may be giving them some technical assistance since --if the reports are true-- Dell would be one of the first vendors actually building a phone based upon Android.
It's like saying my company and Microsoft are jointly developing a new project because I'm using VisualStudio, and I have a support contract with Microsoft.
Now, whether the new Dell phone will fly is another question since all hardware manufacturers still need to have tie-ins with some cellphone service provider. If Dell is creating such a phone, we can count Verizon out as a possible cellphone service provider since they refuse to have anything to do with Android.
Wonder how the 700Mhz auctions are going...
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Re:but does it run linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyone with taste will tell you that experience shows that being tasteful is almost detrimental to the success of anything...
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Re:but does it run linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't look that different to other mp3 players, but the incredibly simple and intuitive interface made it accessible to millions of folk who would not have put up with the UIs of other portable media devices.
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the ipod got popular because of product placement and because it was white at a time when most mp3-players were black or silver.
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Re:but does it run linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
One thing I'd really like on the iPhone is a grdesktop client and ssh client. Exchange integration will make the iPhone widely accepted by businesses running Exchange, but IT guys need their tools too.
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Even with a full-hardware-reset (restores factory ROM), over two weeks of average phone, data, and standard applications usage, it becomes slow and bloaty--the only fix for which is a full-reboot.
Add to this a completely uninspired interface (does EVERYTHING need to use a stylus?) and I'm hard pressed to say that this phone lacks the design innovation of something like the iPhone.
I
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I don't know if it will be PC's brother, but I know what he'll look like. You can, too.
Go find a mirror.
The Name Got leaked too (Score:2)
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