Review of the 8 Hour Tablet: Electrovaya Scribbler 219
Lisa Gade, the chief geek over at MobileTechReview.com, reports that they've
just published an in-depth review of the Electrovaya
Scribbler SC2200. "It's a
Windows XP Tablet Edition with lots of the features you'd expect on a high end
slate machine like a 12.1" screen you can write on, a Dothan 1.4GHz processor
and WiFi. But its real claim to fame is the huge capacity 10,200 mAh SuperPolymer
battery which will get you through a work day without a charge."
Keyboard (Score:5, Insightful)
The burden then relies on XP Tablet edition to get good enough to rarely need a keyboard... something I don't think is likely to happen any time soon. So good in theory, but not quite the magic form needed to bring tablet PCs into the mainstream.
Re:Keyboard (Score:1, Troll)
How is it different from the old toshiba portege's they used to make, that weighed all of 3 pounds and had massive docking stations so when you got home you could have every perephrial attached?
Seems to me it alot adu about nothing. Marketing is getting really slick. They keep selling people the same things, just with new names. Just like the republicans...
Ah, you ever hear of PEN COMPUTING? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Ah, you ever hear of PEN COMPUTING? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Keyboard (Score:4, Insightful)
Uh, okay.
To answer your question: Tablet PCs are more mobile since they don't require a flat surface to operate on. You can use one standing up, for example. That's definitely a huge plus in my opinion. I can carry my TPC around and use it in a lot more places than I could my old laptop.
Whether or not you care is entirely up to you, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss TPCs as 'the same things with new names'.
Keyboard? (Score:2)
I rarely use my keyboard anymore. The input with the pen is so good that I only attach my keyboard if I'm going to write something longer than a few paragraphs.
What people have a hard time understanding about the TPC until they use one is that it's not about text input. The killer app is the point-n-click interface. It's so much more natural than with a track pad or mouse stick. Just point and click. It's even better than attaching a mouse.
BTW. This post was
Wait, who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:2)
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:3, Informative)
Their components are just such junk, that you'll be shipping it back to them every couple months until the warranty runs out... at which point you're better off just buying a new one.
Their service is horrendous (which matters much more when their products need service all the time), and more than once now I had my laptop returned with MORE things wrong with it than I sent it in with.
If you have any
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:2)
let's focus on:
1. increasing battery life as much as possible but not at the expense of increasing weight, and
2. increasing CPU and GPU as much as possible but not at the expense of near-silent operation.
join the campaign to keep portables portable!
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:2, Insightful)
One Note just aren't available for the PDA. Which I agree that both PDAs and laptops could be massively improved, there is a ni
Wait, what? (Score:2)
Re:Wait, who cares? (Score:2)
These are not marketed at you. Them make great point of care devices for doctors and nurses. I could also see them being useful for performing an inventory or maybe maitre'de in a restaurant.
Technology is for everyone, just because you can't think of a use doesn't mean it's useless.
What is your definition of a work day? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What is your definition of a work day? (Score:2)
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I wants it... (Score:1)
Without a charge? Wow! (Score:1)
Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:2)
Question: If you're using a laptop, as opposed to a desktop, are you not focusing on mobility over performance? If so, does it really matter if it's not as fast provided it's more p
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:2)
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, I know you didn't pick a laptop over a desktop because it was cheaper and/or faster.
I'm not trying to arm twist you into wanting a TPC. Just trying to explain that speed's not everything. One of the things I really enjoy about my TabletPC is that I occasionally do sysadmin'ish jobs around the office. The TPC has built in ethernet and 802.11. I can walk around the office and use it without having to clear a spot to set it down. (Especially great when taking in
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:2)
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:2)
Re:Interesting, but I think I'll pass (Score:2)
Tablet PC's? (Score:3, Insightful)
I understand the need for PDA devices where a full sized keyboard isn't practical, but if the device is going to be laptop sized anyway...
Just wondering.
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Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:1)
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
Having something to quickly show something, and pass it back and forth between people might be useful, too. (sales? real estate?)
I'm not in one of those fields, so to me, it's fluff
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
The input from a tablet may be crap, but it's still better than trying to use a laptop standing up.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
Tablets, on the other hand, provide for input through writing. Writing can easily be done with one hand, while you are holding the tablet in the other.
The hinged design of laptops also moves their center of gravity so that they are more difficult to balance on your arm.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
well, actually.. one. while lying in bed(for reading comics, books and so on).
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
Nope, but your confusion is understandable. You have to understand something -- laptops are the *NEW* desktops. I know widows and old grannies with notebook pcs -- prices have dropped RADICALLY this last year. Manufacturers need *SOMETHING* to sell at a premium to replace notebooks, They want tablets to be that thing, but I cant see taht anyone cares. The only people really excited about tablets are people who make kiosks -- its all the hardware they need for cheap (ha
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:5, Informative)
That said, the recognition software is NOT crappy, it's remarkably accurate considering my terrible handwriting, and any mistakes are also easy to fix. This is assuming you have Windows XP SP2, which has updated TIP/Recognition software in it. The initial software wasn't nearly as robust.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is especially useful because all my notes come in PDF format so it works incredibly well by opening the pdf in acrobat and editing it straight.
Also, being a CS/Math major, writting complex equations is alot easier then on a keyboard.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:3, Insightful)
The Tablet PC takes mobility to a whole new level in a way that no regular laptop could.
Even the Mac people I work with are jealous.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
However, drawing [isomerica.net] in paint is fun, and I can see using it for some photoshopping. I'm not so good at
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:3, Insightful)
All of which typically would mean that this might be a welcome advance i
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
> There is quite a high demand for these kinds of things in the medical field
> where physicians do indeed need to use a computer standing up.
^^^ -- this explains this:
SuperRob wrote:
> That said, the recognition software is NOT crappy, it's remarkably accurate
> considering my terrible handwriting
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The recognition software has to be good to read the average M.D.'s handwriting. Heck...might even work for me -- and as to why one would need it over a keyboard? You try drawi
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2)
You can use it standing up. I've used mine to walk around the office taking inventory and entering it into a spreadsheet. I loathe the thought of doing that with a VAIO.
Oh, and btw, the recognition isn't so crappy.
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Tablet PC's? (Score:3, Interesting)
I sit in meetings and quietly take notes. I have 2 years worth of notes that I can search in seconds. That's my handwriting that I'm searching through too. If I want, I can convert it to text but I've never really found a need to do that. I can also record the audio of the meeting and my notes are highlighted at the appropriate time during playback.
Just how many days? (Score:4, Insightful)
Just how many days will it get you through, before its capacity degrades below 8 hours?
Re:Just how many days? (Score:2)
4.5lbs = 2.0kg (Score:2, Insightful)
4.5 lbs & 8 hrs (Score:2)
Mon Mothma Reports (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Mon Mothma Reports (Score:2)
I know.
If you had been sitting behind me when I typed it, you would have seen that I didn't even need Google to remember the quote, or who said it. The humor, which you seem to have missed, is that the processor for this tablet is called a Dothan. Since a D is only a few pixels from a B, it seemed funny to me (and at least three mods agreed) to replace Bothans with Dothans. Humor ensues. Or rather, in this case, a pun, or play on words, in which case groaning ensues.
I do hope I've managed to c
Thats nothing... (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00
Re:Thats nothing... (Score:2)
Re:Thats nothing... (Score:2)
http://www.planetnz.com/palmheads/tandy.php
20 hours battery life with AA non-proprietary batteries, and skip the wonky character recognition...
I'm really looking forward to the day when modern portables are actually, well, portable...
I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC (Score:2, Insightful)
What it left me wondering, though, was why not whip out a note pad or sticky note?
The tablet PC has yet to prove itself as a device that is truly useful and practical--moreso than any notebook computer, that is. It
Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC (Score:2)
Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC (Score:2)
Fortunately that is starting to change and I've seen some good ads by Toshiba and I hear there's one by HP.
Word of mouth is the strongest selling point though. Whenever I let someone use mine for a bit they are hungry for more. The pen is such a natural interface but it's hard to put that across in an ad.
Re:I remember seeing an ad for a MS Tablet PC (Score:2)
Hi. I'm your lawyer. I'll be happy to bill you for the time it takes me to enter what I wrote on my note pad into the contract I am editing on my computer. Or to do the same for all my illegible-to-even-my-secretary revisions that I made to print out of the same contract when on the train home. Effectively I get to double bill you (no, I don't really do this, but it DOES cut into productivity to effectively do something twice
Who Cares? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Who Cares? (Score:2)
Electrovaya... sounds familiar (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder if buying the external battery might be a better investment than this new tablet?
Re:Electrovaya... sounds familiar (Score:2)
I didn't see any mention of heat... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I didn't see any mention of heat... (Score:4, Insightful)
"When unplugged, the unit stays surprisingly cool and won't toast your arm."
Bluetooth? (Score:2, Insightful)
Li-ion vs Li-poly (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Li-ion vs Li-poly (Score:2)
Re:Li-ion vs Li-poly (Score:2)
Li-Po batteries are used mainly for weight reduction over li-ions. I'm assuming they chose Li-pofor this application to keep the weight down as much as possible while still providing much capacity.
Toshiba M200 (Score:5, Informative)
Also have one, it's great for drawing. (Score:2)
I use it for lots of things. I decided to go to South Africa to find a mate and didn't bring my desktop, so it's been my primary computer for awhile now. I tried drawing with it but I'm still not very good. However my mate is quite good and he likes to draw in sketchbook all the time. Sometimes I don't see the laptop all night. You ca
We had some Scribblers (Score:3, Informative)
The irritating thing about them is that you have to manually turn the wireless connection on every time you boot the tablet. You can't make it automatic. Very irritating.
In addition, we did a review on one model scribbler, which met our needs (2050, I believe). By the time we got around to ordering them, they had discontinued that model and gave us newer ones (2150, I believe) Every single one of the newer ones has had major issues remaining connected to the wireless network. They are constantly dropping packets. It's possible they fixed this in the 2250, but I'd be careful before buying one.
Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:3)
When I'm on the road, typically the only thing I need a laptop for is MS office (writing documents, working with spreadsheets), and occasionally working with some other third party apps like Primavera's Suretrak (which, incidentally, I hate).
I can think of a number power hungry features that I don't want or need, that takes away my battery life:
High-power graphics: I don't play 3d games on the laptop. I have a desktop at home for playing games, and if I'm bored on the road, my phone has enough entertainment titles installed on it to placate me. I don't do professional quality graphic arts work on the laptop. In reality, a 800x600 screen with 16 bit color would be aptly handle my work. So a power hungry graphics accelerator isn't needed, or any advanced graphics features. Also, I often find myself in well lit areas, and it would be nice to be able to easily turn off the backlight on the LCD display to save on juice, but I've yet to see that implemented.
CPU hogging apps: Why is it every time I unpack a laptop, there seem to be dozens of background applications pre-installed? I don't need them, and I don't want them, and I always end up having to spend lots of time uninstalling them. I get this with desktops, too. Windows appears to love including all sorts of unnecessary bloat which gobbles up CPU cycles. If there was some way to get rid of all this crud, I could easily get by with slower (and less power hungry) CPU. I don't follow mobile technology closely, but if I remember the whole hub-bub surrounding Transmeta's Crusoe chip (other then Torvald's name being attached) was that it could husband the cpu's power requirements based on needs of the OS. Something like that would work great for me, since most of the time I'm just typing into a MS Word document which shouldn't require that much in terms of CPU cycles.
Sound: Does anyone really need stereo sound on a laptop? I hardly need sound to begin with, and I certainly don't need to be driving two speakers on my laptop. I'm somewhat of an audiophile, and I like good sound from my home stereo and portable music devices. But from my laptop computer it's more or less wasted. Granted, I can always (and usually do) mute the sound on my laptop to save energy, but it seems that a lot of power is being driven towards something that really only serves the purpose of giving warning bells and beeps. Sure, some people like to use their laptops as portable DVD players while on flights, but for me that's really not a necessity.
Peripherals: I've never used or needed the CD-Rom burner on my laptops. Lately when I need to quickly transfer data from one machine to another, I'll use a USB thumb drive (a technology which I've learned to love!) In fact, I've never used any removable storage drives on my computer while mobile. Yet when I turn the laptop on, I can hear the drives spinning up, sucking power away. On my old laptop I had a secondary battery I could put in the slot where the CD-Rom goes, but I still had to carry around the drive in my laptop bag. That's not to say that I'd never need a CD-Rom drive, but it would be nice if I could easily just turn it off (as opposed to yanking it out of the laptop).
Networking: Wifi is great. There are times when I can and do use wired or wireless networking when the laptop isn't plugged in. But I don't see why the integrated 802.11x device in my laptop needs to be on and taking up power while I'm in flight, or when I'm on the side of the road just trying to finish up a report. From what I understand, the wifi device is always running in the back
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
From what I understand this device should run 8 to 12 hours on a batter
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
The $999 price tag is a little steep, but overall it looks as if it's been custom tailored to address the laundry list of features I put above.
The only question would be how it runs some of the third party apps I have to use for work. I know next to nothing about CE, or how it runs applications developed for other flavors of Windows.
A HDD would be nice, even a small one, but if I can plug in USB thumb drives, I think that would probably take care of my needs.
Heck
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
As for what it will run, it's targeted toward PocketPC/CE applications. It will have a fully compatible version of Word, Excel, Internet Explorer and Outlook on it. There are a lot of third party apps being developed- MiniMo comes to mind, a CE version of Firefox. Also with it fully supporting the
I figure for big storage I can ge
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
The
Yes, I want my cake and I want to eat it too.
Realisticlly, a conventional lap
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
I use my laptop as a music workstation. However, I'd be happy to find a laptop without integrated speakers, as they are utterly useless for anything besides beeps. The space saved might be usefu
Re:Why can't I get this in something simple? (Score:2)
You can. If you haven't found any, you haven't been looking. They're not cheap, though.
Good graphics are necessary even for watching a short video clip now and again. If you don't really use it, it's not going to be using up very much power.
When are we going to see diversity? (Score:2)
Re:When are we going to see diversity? (Score:2)
I'd love to have one- but like the U50/U70, there's no way I'd carry that $2000 device with me
An interesting innovation (Score:2)
a trackpad into a medium for handwriting recognition?
a key selling feature of these tablet PCs is that handwriting complex equations (eg when sitting in a classroom taking notes for CS/Math/Econ) is much easier when you can just jot it down.
If my ibook came with a stylus and a means for writing these eqns down on my trackpad (and then saving them as an image//handwriting recognition for symbols etc) -- I think the usability would go through the roof...
Any observation
It had to be said... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Not bad (Score:2)
Re:Not bad (Score:2, Insightful)
You look at your needs and you takes your choices. I have a 1.1Ghz Compaq/HP TC 1100 and for most tasks (even including, surprisingly enough, Photoshop), it works quite well.
Re:Not bad (Score:3, Interesting)
Since most corporate desktops are rarely 3.2GHz gaming machines with 1 Gig of RAM (in fact, most of the corporate desktops I use are barely more powerful than your laptop), I would first guess that you are running on a wireless network or cable modem. A cable modem is not a T1 line, after all. And, since it is not a T1 line, i
Re:Not bad (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe. Maybe not. I think it means option 3 on this link [reference.com]. The Poster was complaining about the amount of time it took to "compile". I was pointing out that there are multiple reasons why it takes apps a long time to compile, not just chip speed.
Re:Not bad (Score:2, Funny)
Exactly how fast must the chipmunk spin the exercise wheel for you to be happy?
Re:Not bad (Score:2)
Re:Not bad (Score:5, Insightful)
I highly doubt this tablet was designed with heavy computing in mind. 1.4 GHz Intel chip is more than enough to do word processing, email, watch video, paint, even play many popular games.
I don't know anyone who would get a tablet for heavy processing.
Re:Not bad (Score:2, Interesting)
Dothan @ 1.4 GHz almost == Pentium 4 @ 2.4 GHz (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not bad (Score:4, Insightful)
Keep using your laptop with a three hour battery. It may take me five more seconds to open up MS Excel each time, but that five seconds will be meaningless when your machine has run out of battery power.
I agree (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not bad (Score:2)
Re:SuperPolymer? (Score:3, Funny)
Sorry to have to break this to you on SlashDot. She definitely lasts 10 hours, its just someone
else (i.e. the Milkman) is getting a couple of hours of her time every day (if you know what I mean).
Re:I wonder (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I wonder (Score:2)
linux laptop power use (Score:2)
Re:I like the wacom tablets better. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Other options and student uses (Score:2)
The averatec was heavy, it got extremely hot and the battery life was horrible. (60 -90 minutes)
It seems as if averatec just took their laptop and through a hinge on it. In tablet mode you cannot access the power button , so you have to open it up to turn it on. They also don't have a hardware "ctrl+alt+del" on the tablet front, so if you
Re:Charging time (Score:2)
I drop it in the charging base/expansion ports at the desk, an