Note Taking Devices for Students? 144
Gavin Scott asks: "I'm looking for solutions for a college student who needs an inexpensive mechanism for note taking in class. She suffers from a condition that makes writing notes out by hand slow and painful. One of the small sexy sub-notebook computers would be ideal, but at $1,500-$2,500 these are completely out of reach budget-wise. She has a perfectly good desktop system at home, so something that simply allowed typing in notes that could then be transferred to the PC would be ideal. I've considered things like a Palm-type device with an external keyboard, but I'm interested in knowing what other options people might suggest. Or any opinions on what kind of lightweight almost-laptop devices are good in, say, the sub-$500 range?"
Talk to the disabled students' office (Score:5, Informative)
As for hardware, I would recommend a laptop. They'd be of much greater use than a PDA would (from experience).
Get back to work!! (Score:4, Funny)
(Yes, I really am his boss! Note to Slashdotters: Don't send a link to your f1rstp0zt on Slashdot to your boss during your working hours.
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:2, Interesting)
Seriously.
Oh wait, links from slashdot? Nevermind.
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:2)
Especially given the fact that anybody with an arts degree (especially a Master's of Business ARTS degree) couldn't possibly understand anyway.
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:1)
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:2)
I wouldn't go quite that far. However if I read slashdot at work and saw something I thought the boss would be interested in I'd make sure to send the URL to my home account, then at home I'd write an email back (not a forward, a clean email) with that URL. That way it obviously comes from my home account after hours. Looks good to the boss - I'm thinking about work on my time, instead of reading slashdot at work.
I have no interest in my boss knowing my slashdot id. True I have more friends than foe
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:3, Informative)
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Or, if you really like webforms, go to http://www.itg.uiuc.edu/people/ [uiuc.edu] and click the
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:3, Funny)
Apparantly, you "lead by example"...
Re:Get back to work!! (Score:1)
Re:If they won't pay for a laptop (Score:2)
Still, I think getting a laptop is best. Especially if you'll be taking courses that involve lots of math, you'll want to have a program that allows you to type equations easily (such as Mathematica).
After having tried both palm and laptop (Score:1)
It's a lot easier to take notes on a laptop, especially since it is easier to structure the notes in a word processor than in, say, Palm Vx-notepad. Get on of those with a full-sized keyboard if she needs to take notes involving many numbers.
In general, it's nice to have a laptop. If she buys a used laptop and a laptop-specific webcam, she can even take pictures to add to her notes, in case there's illustrations s
Re:Talk to the disabled students' office (Score:1)
I had a friend who had difficulty taking notes. The office arranged for notes to be taken by another student in the class and then copies were made at the office for the disabled student.
They handled it very discretely and the other student's in the class weren't even aware of the problem. The note taker didn't even know who they were taking notes for.
Extra arrangements were also made for exams though I don't know the specifics.
Dictaphone (Score:2, Informative)
MD-recorder (Score:1)
never underestimate your calculator ;) (Score:3, Informative)
Re:never underestimate your calculator ;) (Score:2)
I wasted most of high school geometry making video poker and video blackjack programs on mine. Who knew I could do something useful with it?
Re:never underestimate your calculator ;) (Score:3, Interesting)
Note Taking Devices for Students? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Note Taking Devices for Students? (Score:2)
Re:Note Taking Devices for Students? (Score:2)
Heck, if she could set up the camera, she wouldn't even need to go to class. (unless the teacher required active participation)
Why not.... (Score:2)
How about a used laptop? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:How about a used laptop? (Score:1)
retrobox (Score:3, Informative)
clicky clicky [retrobox.com]
Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:2)
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:2)
Considering that the top income tax rate in the United States is somewhere around 40%, I'd say you need a new accountant.
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:2)
Furthermore, State and municipal income taxes, as well as most property taxes, are deductible at the Federal level, so adding the numbers doesn't make sense.
Finally, none of this takes into account deductions. If a person is at the highes
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:3, Interesting)
Highest tax bracket in the US is 28% for Federal, kicking in at about $70k a year. Lets call this $20k after deductions.
Tack on another 6.2% for Social Security, plus another 6.2% to cover employer matching if you are self employed. Another $10k here.
Add in 8.25% sales tax on everything in a few of the bigger states. There goes $3k
Add in 6% state income tax on the average (I hear CA is more.) Nice $5k here.
Kick in a cheapo house at $250,000, tax rate of 2.5% in the city
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:2)
Your figures are high for most of the country although they do apply in a few large cities. Last I checked the mean salary in the US was something like 35K. Yes people actually manage live and raise families for that kind of pay. No they don't drive BMWs, have 42" plasma screens or ipods.
Re:Vocational Rehabilitation (Score:3, Insightful)
That's not what he's whining about, and I think that's obvious. You're using his comment to start an argument of your own.
He was dissatisfied that no one was there to help him go to college, yet he now has to pay for many others to do so. He's right, it isn't fair, and he has a right to complain.
I'd recommend a used Apple iBook (Score:5, Informative)
When I advertised on Craigslist (LA) [craigslist.org] for an Apple laptop, I got a PowerBook G4 (original model) for $600. However, for a student the iBook might be better because it's closer to being indestructible.
If you don't like Apple, any used laptop would probably do better than a PDA, even with a keyboard attachment. I used a color palm with the keyboard attachment for a while, and I found that the keyboard folded up on me whenever I tried to type! She would have similar problems, especially considering her health situation.
For a non-Apple laptop, the best quality is probably an IBM ThinkPad. Older ones are dirt cheap, and they will still run reliably and connect up to the mother ship to send back the notes.
If she wants something fuss-free, though, I really don't think you can beat an iBook.
Hope that helps.
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I suggest... (Score:3, Funny)
Perhaps you could try to get her into some kind of pilot program so that it doesn't cost her anything. Then not only will she be able to take notes, perhaps with her new super-human strength she could fight crime on the side.
Seriously though, I think the palm idea is a good one. A notebook is a lot to lug around, and the head aches involved with an out of date one (the kind you will get for sub $500) may not be worth it. I picked up my last laptop ($350) for this very purpose, and the stinking hard drive crashed on me in the first month. Laptop components take a lot more abuse than desktop computers, so it is worthwhile to consider the wear and tear a used laptop has already endured.
A palm (or other pda) on the other hand doesn't have any moving parts, so they are a lot harder to break.
Oh, and one more thing... (Score:3, Insightful)
Even a brand new battery may not have the kind of battery-life required for a daily class schedule. A pda will last much longer. Either way, expect to have to recharge daily.
Re:Oh, and one more thing... (Score:2)
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Pricing (Score:2, Funny)
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I'm not sure which university you go to, but having more than 5 hours of class in a day is not unusual at all. Just think you could have 2, 3 hour classes one right after the other, or even with a break in between. Nobody wants to be running around during their breaks, looking for a spot to plug their laptop into.
eMate (Score:5, Informative)
Re:eMate (Score:5, Funny)
I was in a CompUSA store in early 1997 when an Apple rep was demoing the eMate to some CompUSA salespeople. Part of his demo was to fling the eMac down the aisle!! It cartwheeled, tumbled, and finally skidded to a stop about 50 feet away. He picked it up and went back to showing off the various preinstalled applications!
Re:eMate (Score:2)
FIX THAT CABLE/HINGE!!! (Score:2)
The Apple eMate would be perfect (Score:4, Informative)
It can at least sync back to a mac, getting it to sync back to a PC shouldnt be a problem. They're SUPER cheap [ebay.com] on ebay.
iPod + Voice Recorder. (Score:2)
Re:iPod + Voice Recorder. (Score:2)
I had one or two classes like that in college, but the vast majority used some combination of white/blackboard, overheads, and powerpoint.
I'd say no go on the voice recorders.
On the other hand, I have also had similar problems taking notes with laptops in the past. It can be rather hard to takes notes in a math class using a keyboard. I did have some success using a windows ce pda to take
Re:iPod + Voice Recorder. (Score:2)
As is mentioned elsewhere in the discussion, though, many profs won't like you recording them, you'll need to ask.
Depends on desktop OS (Score:2)
Old Apple eMate 300? (Score:1, Redundant)
Apple eMate 300 [bott.org]
I have one in the closet, and they work pretty well. You can buy them on eBay for about $60 or so, and they have a touch screen, a full keyboard, and 12+ hour battery life.
I have heard of people getting them working with modems and ethernet, but I have not tried it myself. It has a PCMCIA slot though, so it's certainly feasible.
Disability Program (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Disability Program (Score:2)
Re:Disability Program (Score:3, Insightful)
Get copies of the notes from
Worth a shot (Score:2)
PocketPC with a voice recorder. I dunno if she can get away with talking, but I figured it's at least a unique answer. When I did system testing a year ago, I found it was quicker just to have my PocketPC nearby, press the record button like a walkie-talkie and record my notes. Then I'd get back to my PC, listen to each one, and transcribe what I said.
There are a couple of caveats here:
1.) Obviously she's gonna haveta talk out
many such devices (Score:4, Informative)
here's one i found quickly on google. http://www.calcuscribe.com/missing.html
Re:many such devices (Score:2)
AlphaSmart (Score:2, Informative)
For something with a bit more power than the 3000 but not a full Palm OS hybrid, you may be interested in the Neo [alphasmart.com], which is due to be released in September.
Palm and Keyboard (Score:2, Insightful)
Mobilepro (Score:2, Informative)
Palm M100 (Score:3, Informative)
Another option would be to get one of the fancy Sony ones with cameras, whcih can also capture overhead screens.
--Dan
Re:Palm M100 (Score:2)
1) ALWAYS have a second (or third) set of batteries handy. I got something like 14-16 hours from my setup, but it'll go down at some point.
2) The keyboard really exacerbated my carpal tunnel, so I got a typical foam keyboard pad, and cut it down. The carrying weight went up a little bit, but it
Disability help? (Score:2)
School or government, its all the same (Score:2)
Yes, -1, Flamebait, but +1, Not Mean If Its True
Try the AlphaSmart (Score:1)
Alpha Smart! (Score:5, Informative)
It's used primarily (and geared toward) the K-12 education market for students exactly like the one you described.
They are excellent for notetaking and incredibly simple to use. The essential idea is that it's like a miniature word processor that will repeat your keystrokes once you plug it into the computer. Of course, you can edit what you're typing on the builtin LCD.
With the original Alpha Smart (not being produced anymore, but easily findable on Ebay) and the 3000 ($200 direct) interfacing with the computer is embarassingly simple. Simply plug the thing into ANY PC or Mac's keyboard (has ADB and PS2 -- the new ones also have USB), open Word, hit send, and it mimicks a keyboard typing the document. No software required.
That's $200, easily within your price range. I've used them in the school I work in, and find them to be an incredible tool for the students which need them.
If you want something more advanced, $400 will fetch you a similar device with a bigger screen powered by palmOS and 802.11 built in. I've never used them, but with alphasmart's reputation, I expect it to be just as good.
Oh yeah. Did I mention it's designed for K-12? They're durable as hell. I've seen them take a serious beating without being damaged. Thank god for no moving parts and shatter resistant plastic!
Re:Alpha Smart! (Score:2)
Product Idea ... (Score:4, Interesting)
a device consisting of a keyboard, with a 1 line LCD Screen across the top (can even be segmented, like on a cheesy calculator), that allows you to type, and see what you are typing, and not much else
Maybe even skip the flash; just have a MB of RAM; that's it. the KB could have a regular old kb connector, and you can hit a special key sequence to dump the memory to the KB Port. (The software here would be SO simple
The point is, this could be manufactured REALLY cheap; and would be ideal for taking notes. You could even outfit it with the guts of one of these [slashdot.org] to take snapshots of blackboards, etc.
It would seem like something like this could sell for < $50
Even starving college kids could afford one.
Re:Product Idea ... (Score:2)
Re:Product Idea ... (Score:2)
The point is that such a device can be manufactured today in a much more compact form factor, at a much cheaper price.
People often overlook the fact that an item's price point directly affects its utility: I am fairly cautious with my $1200 digital camera, but I have a $200 one that I am not afraid to take where it may get dropped or wet
My brother and sister are both in college, and
TRS-80? (Score:2)
I see two possible downsides: The keyboard doesn't have as good of a feel as a new laptop, and the small amount of RAM (32 KB) might be a problem. (I have no idea how many KB a day's worth of notes would be.) However, the websites about the Model 100 and 102 claim that there are a lot of w
Re:TRS-80? (Score:2)
The disk drive has a capacity of about 100 k, or possibly two 100k partitions.
club100.org has more information, and pricing. 102s are going from $150 to $350, depending upon memory and condition. 100's are going from $75 to $150, aldo depending upon memory and condition.
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pen OCR (Score:2)
'nuff said.
Re:pen OCR (Score:1, Insightful)
When I was in school.... (Score:3, Interesting)
The trick is to set up style sheets and macros and such for Word to allow you to get all of the symbols and stuff.
Of course, typing may not help too much if you have hand problems.
Most unversities, when faced with a student who has a medically documented problem taking notes the normal way, will generally provide you with "accomidations". All you need is a doctor to vouch for you. Accomodiations will generally be some sort of notetaking service, at least.
Different schools do it differently. Some schools can move heaven and earth for you if you have a documented dissability.
Speaking from experience (Score:1)
Model 100! (Score:3, Informative)
Check 'em out. Cheap, unbreakable, full-size keyboard.
Apple eMate (Score:2)
Note that some CPU-intensive apps designed for the 2000 may not work well on the eMate, as the Newton 2000 has about 7x the CPU performance.
Old, but cheap and effective (Score:2)
I've got an MP2000 myself and it's great for taking notes with it's handwriting recognition. If you need something a bit more than a basic "Notes" program, then there's software like Newton Works and external keyboards for them (I have both).
As long as you have a serial port (or a usb to serial adapter) you can sync it up and transfer documents and packages across. Or if you have a Mac, you can sync over TCP/IP.
Re:Old, but cheap and effective (Score:2)
You already answered the question (Score:2)
Not to sound cynical... (Score:1)
It's called being a geek. (Score:2)
Handwritten notes simply don't (unless you feel like wasting time copying them over and over).
Disability (Score:2)
Re:Not to sound cynical... (Score:3, Informative)
cassette? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:cassette? (Score:2)
Some Ideas- a handheld PC (Score:2)
Old Laptop (Score:2)
stenography ? (Score:2)
Alphasmart Dana (Score:2)
Alphasmart Dana Wireless [alphasmart.com]
Virtually indestructable, designed for people who tend to beat it, drop it, dunk it or slam it - i.e. for my teenage daughter, and me.
And has a great keyboard.
'nuff said.
Some old machines to fill this need: (Score:2)
I've mentioned these devices before [slashdot.org] in a different context.
psion series 5/5mx (Score:2)
This machine isn't in production any more, but it's actually a perfect notetaking computer: runs off AA batteries, has a small touch screen allowing stylus drawing, and a clamshell design with a workable keyboard -- documents can be translate to/from PC and a CF slot provides additional storage. It powers on and off instantly, and is small and portable. There's even a browser, email and other network tools, plus the inbuilt IrDA allows SMS/data interface to a mobile phone.
You can pick up second hand 5mx's
Re:psion series 5/5mx (Score:2)
How about a Jornada 720 or something? (Score:2, Interesting)
Tape recorder (Score:2)
Get a lightly used/older laptop.... (Score:2, Interesting)
university-provided notes (Score:2, Informative)
i use an ipod with a griffin italk, it works fantastically. i'm told it's better than the belkin, particularly the inbuilt speaker. having a copy of the lecture, along with the notes i jot at the time, helps a lot when exam time comes, i find.