New Chips Enable 2.4 GHz Sensor Networks 104
mindless4210 writes "Oki announced today that the world's first fully compliant IEEE 802.15.4 and ZigBee chip has been developed. The technology promises to start a new generation of wireless sensor networks, utilizing the unlicensed 2.4 GHz spectrum. The new IC integrates the digital circuit-based MAC and PHY with the analog circuit-based RF onto a single chip. The company also developed a kit which enables fast production of sensor networks which could control air conditioning, lighting, fire alarm systems, and many other applications. The low power consumption of the chip enables multi-year operation with only dry-cell batteries."
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd imagine some editors might not like it because it would reduce their ego, but it would make for a much better slashdot.
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:1)
Obviously not communications nerds....
A MAC layer in communications terminology is the digital protocalls involved with all the control functions, ergo, priority, identity, and similar.
A PHY layer is the "physical layer" that is the RF frequencies involved, the antenna, the RF bandwidth of the channel and similar.
802.15.4 is designed for really low duty cycle use. Turns on once in a while, does its thing briefly, and then turns off. Think thermostats without a wire connection, or a se
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:1, Informative)
I'd prefer a warning if your going to post a link like that. I thought I was going to hear what Drudge thought, not have to think about those pictures all night. Stop being an asshole. BTW, I don't look at the American war crime pictures either. I'll stick to porn.
Re:This is news for nerds? (Score:2)
I had actually been messing around with new sigs... thought I had put back my old one. guess I'll have to fix that
Re:Great... (Score:5, Interesting)
What a nightmare that was. That crap only worked about 50% of the time... until my neighbor used their cordless phone, or my microwave ran, etc. etc. The ISP was continually tracking down sources of interferance, and installing new filters, amplifiers, etc.
I've now moved to a provider that uses (motorolla) equipment that runs in the 5GHz range. This stuff seems to work flawlessly.
Re:Great... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Great... (Score:3, Informative)
To my knowledge, there are A LOT MORE consumer devices that operatate at or near the 2.4GHz range as compared to devices that operate at or near 5GHz. Cordless phones are the perfect example. -- Thus, there is a lot more interference at the 2.4GHz range, and thus a lot harder for filters to actually do their job.
Re:Great... (Score:3, Informative)
This isn't coincidence. The reason the 2.4GHz band was available for innovation is that regular spectrum users considered it unusable due to the industrial equipment operating there. It's called the ISM band, for Industrial, Scientific and Medical.
Microwave ovens are shielded for safety reasons but they start off ~20,000 times more powerful than a WiFi card. The noise is hard to filter because it's surprisingly broadband. The ultra-cheap power supplies drag the
Re:Great... (Score:2)
I guess maybe you were farther away from the station or didn't have as good of an antenna.
* Lightning hit the main transmitting station once and we were offline while all the equpment was replaced. But what can you do...
Re:Great... (Score:1)
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Maybe I should get some of my swimmers frozen just in case I'm wrong?
I've consulted the company and... (Score:4, Funny)
I've consulted the company and they have assured me that you will indeed be able to have 2.4ghz on your nuts with this chip.
-Jamon
Probably unrelated... (Score:5, Funny)
We have a motion sensor based security system here at home, and it goes off once a month when a spider finds its way into the body of the sensor. I'll stick with light switches thank you.
more please (Score:2)
Please Mr Frederic Cee Cee (FCC for short)
Can we have another chunk of spectrum?
WiFi has changed how people use computers at work and at home. The experiment was a success. Can we have a bigger cup to sip from now?
Split (Score:4, Insightful)
I guess it's just a matter of who makes it, and what it's made/marketed for....
Re:Split (Score:3, Insightful)
This technology is only useful for networking large numbers of simple devices.
From the IEEE 802.15.4 page
Low data rate
Re:Split (Score:3, Informative)
From the very same page [ieee802.org]: "Data rates of 250 kbps, 40 kbps, and 20 kbps". The lowest rate is five to ten times faster than a dialup modem, which is enough for very-low-bitrate video, and a decent stream of still images, or a fairly decent-quality mono audio stream when compressed (or about telephone quality without compression.)
At its high end, it's nearly twice as fast as ISDN, which is commonly used for fairly decent-quality videoconferencing.
Using a mesh network one could spread the traffic out bet
Re:Split (Score:1)
In all reality (Score:5, Funny)
Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:5, Informative)
Hate the QFN? I agree, that would be pretty hard to solder down by hand. Check out the Cypress wireless chipset, you can get an SOIC which is actually pretty easy with a fine tip.
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:1)
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:3, Informative)
One more option would be to re-flow the boards at home in your toaster oven. No, really, I'm serious. You can use solder paste and an ordinary, inexpensive toaster oven to handle the reflow. I saw a well documented project that did this on the web somewhere, which should be easy enough to find with Google.
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:2)
For prototyping lower-frequencies items in a similar package (LCC8) I've successfully tacked wire-wrap wire to the contacts, but it's a pain and the lead inductances will kill you at these freqs.
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:2)
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:3, Informative)
Actually we (Chipcon [chipcon.com]) launched a 802.15.4 compliant device in november last year. [chipcon.com] Datasheets and reference designs are availible here [chipcon.com].
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:2)
And Moteiv [moteiv.com] is the first to ship a mote (wireless sensor node) using the CC2420, integrated PCB antenna, a TI MS430 microcontroller, and USB for reprogramming, debugging, and data collection.. all of course running TinyOS :).
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:1)
That 14 pin DIP just won't hack it due to the lead frame inductance.
Re:Not sure why this is a "first" ... (Score:1)
Since 2.4 GHz is an ISM band, there are no license requirements, and there are already many proprietery transceivers on the market. The difference here is that Zigbee (802.15.4) is an IEEE std. ZigBee was developed because many felt Bluetooth was too complicated for sensor network and automation type applications. Indeed, with the Piconet scheme of 7 active nodes, l
Re:Unlicensed? (Score:1)
Re:Unlicensed? (Score:1, Informative)
Actually the 2.4 band is shared. The licenced users are hams. They actually get priority on that spectrum but for the most part stay clear of that mess.
Excellent breakdown of the spectrum:
http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/spectrum.html
2.3 to 2.9 GHz:
http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/2_3_ghz.html
Re:Unlicensed? (Score:2)
Re:Unlicensed? (Score:2)
So much for 802.11b/g (Score:5, Informative)
As to the techno-babble, most 802.11a/b/g cards require a separate chip for the MAC (which handles the 802.11 level 2 protocol -- some chipsets do most of this on the host), the PHY (which handles the digital signal processing) and the RF section (which is black magic). Putting them all on one chip allows for smaller and hopefully less power-hungry devices.
Re:So much for 802.11b/g (Score:3, Informative)
Re:How to monitor temperature? (Score:1)
don't know if it would be useful for you... (Score:1)
I done did my share of hot attic crawl
Re:Not funny (Score:2)
I don't buy it. Marijuana has never killed anyone. Even if marijuana was in his system when he died I hardly believe it was a "contributing factor". If it was a car accident, more than likely your friend had other drugs/alcohol in his system.
Eventually, you grow up, and if you didn't come to the realization in grade school that drugs are a cop out and dead end, you hopefully realize it as you enter your adulthood.
Or you go the other way and
Re:How to monitor temperature? (Score:3, Informative)
Motorola vaporware (Score:4, Interesting)
Makes me wonder if there's some not-quite-working ZigBee RF hardware on the chip...
Re:Motorola vaporware (Score:2)
If it's not on-board support, than what's different about the HCS08's versus any other MCU? Why mention it at all?
Re:Motorola vaporware (Score:2)
Sensors in the woods guy from yesterday (Score:2)
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04
" The low power consumption of the chip enables multi-year operation with only dry-cell batteries."
great stuff... sounds more like Neal Stephenson's future than ever before.. now for the Feed.
Location and positioning! (Score:1)
like I noticed, tho, with my recent $20 purchase of the p5 glove [essentialreality.com], the technology may be there, but where are the applications? Aren't there developers out there, unemployed?
WiFiMaps.com [wifimaps.com] is taking a stab at the location based computing, any interested developers out there?
Alternate power sources? (Score:2, Insightful)
Would it be possible, I wonder, to have solar-powered sensors, or even sensors powered by storing vibrational energy (for use in, say, air ducts)? Of course, sensors placed in easily accessible locations probably wouldn't benefit too much from never needing battery replacements. However, I can think of a few applications where you'd want to have a sensor in locations that are not readily accessible for main
Re:Alternate power sources? (Score:1)
interference hellhole (Score:2)
Subdermal anyone? (Score:3, Interesting)
Just me or does this seem like the perfect chip for a subdermal implant. Seriosly, stick one of these babys next to a pacemaker and you can control your heartrate via the TCP/IP or encrypt the signal and have law enforcments firearms disable themselves in the hands of criminals (ala Judge Dredd [imdb.com]) Coupled with a proper set of sensors soldiers vital stats could be relayed to a central command unit without bulk transmiters, or just one transmitter ( Aliens (1986) [imdb.com]
Maybe I shouldn't watch so many movies.
Re:Subdermal anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)
Seriously, you would never do that. A pace maker uses advanced technology (inluding the surgery) to make it simple and reliable, to just work as long as possible, What is at stake is the lifespan and medical health of the patient. A TCP/IP is not part of that.
Great (Score:3, Insightful)
Sweet! (Score:4, Funny)
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If you like this kind of stuff... (Score:4, Informative)
Long-lasting sensors (Score:1)
In all probability, the only useful place for this is in amateur rocketry launching low-Earth Orbit (LEO) satellites with a life-expectancy long enough to make it worth the effort.
(Why probes? Because wireless can be lighter - no wiring - and doesn't tangle up so badly.)
Evil Plans Hatching... (Score:2)
Hell, I'll buy it if it allows me to control lightning. Start phoning in ultimatums... Pay me several million dollars or say goodbye to all your prescious broadcasting towers... Muwahahahaha
chipcon has had one for a while (Score:1)
They claim "industry first"... maybe there was an earlier one still.
Bluetooth dead? (Score:1)
No news (Score:2, Informative)
Secondly neither 802.15.4 (The phy and mac layer) nor the Zigbee Protocol (network and app layers) are fully specified. The current specs lack important
as bad as DVD (Score:1)
DVD+RW,-RW,-R,+R,DL,R,ROM ??!
802.11b,b+,g,a,bluetooth(+IEEE ver),firewireless(+IEEE ver),zigbee(+IEEE ver),3g(CDMA? UMTS?),
will some people just design simple, interoperable and scalable standards and reduce the level of fragmentation?
ZigBee sounds great, but will it survive?