Sony's New Vaio PCG-TR1A: 12" Powerbook Killer? 452
Anonymous Howard writes "Sony has a hot new subnote on it's hand: the Vaio PCG-TR1A. This subnote is packed full of features: integrated camera (still and video), 10.6 inch bright wide-format screen, 900MHz Centrino, CD-RW/DVD Combo drive, 30GB drive, 802.11b, two usb ports, firewire, 3.11 pounds and a magnesium alloy case. The thing looks really cool. For me, it's the first subnote that actually gives me a viable option for purchase instead of a the Apple Powerbook 12". Read a article about it over at Designtechnica. Check out this forum thread that has good pics, other then the stock pics, next to a VPR Matrix 200A5."
Dell has had one for some time too (Score:5, Informative)
nope (Score:3, Informative)
You haven't looked very hard (Score:5, Informative)
A Question (Score:5, Informative)
Seems Slashdotted--Here are some pics [sonystyle.com] from Sony.com [sony.com]
Not so much a comment as a question...
What has really set the Vaio apart from ye olde everyday laptop was the interesting addition of the integrated still/video camera. Are there any other manufacturers out who do this? Also...is it really usable as an integrated camera?
VAIO no-way (Score:4, Informative)
Well it's slashdotted ... (Score:3, Informative)
While this may be cool (wouldn't know can't read the article), let's face it people will sacrifice weight, size, and battery life for a cheaper model that does the same thing. UNLESS they are walking around with the thing, or travel a lot, or have a particular breifcase they'd like this to fit it. Believe it or not I've seen someone buy a new laptop because it was the right "size" of the breif case they had grown quite accustomed to.
12" is hard to read at a res bigger than 1024x768 as well. I really don't see this thing killing anything as there are so many laptops on the market now that no one can decide on one "ultimate" laptop.
Re:Sony Notebook?? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Sony Notebook?? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Power comparison (Score:2, Informative)
Re:3.11 Lbs (Score:2, Informative)
linux-sony mailing list (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Dell has had one for some time too (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Dell has had one for some time too (Score:1, Informative)
besides
Re:3.11 Lbs (Score:3, Informative)
And flimsy? What, do you mean it's flexible or something? Sony shipped laptops with metal (magnesium alloy) frames long before the "tibook" came out.
That said, I'll be picking up an iBook soon... but I sure wish they would shave a few pounds off it by leaving out the optical drive.
Re:Sony uses ACPI not good for non MS OS (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Untapped Market? (Score:2, Informative)
Check here [fujitsupc.com] and look at the ultraportable section. The specs on the P5000 [fujitsupc.com] seem to match your requirements.
Also, on the seriously portable side, they have the P1000 [fujitsupc.com] (2.2 lbs, no cd) and the P2000 [fujitsupc.com] (3.4 lbs, DVD ).
Re:Dell has had one for some time too (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Price, price, price (Score:3, Informative)
Few quick specs:
Transmeta 933mhz Crusoe
10.6" Widescreen SXGA
256 RAM, up to 384
DVD/CD-RW drive
Mobility Radeon
2.8-3.4 lbs
optional built in wireless as well
Too small for me though, so I bought the S2000 with the AMD proc.
Firewire? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Linux support (Score:2, Informative)
The 802.11g-chip isn't supported by Linux at all and nVidia doesn't release their Linux drivers for PowerPC - I wouldn't call that "very well supported".
But apart from the WLAN and the fancy graphic drivers (I use the one bundled with XFree86 4.3.0) it works like a charm
Re:12 inch powerbook killer? (Score:2, Informative)
With all portables, there is a tradeoff between cheap, light, and powerful. Pick two
Re:Dell has had one for some time too (Score:3, Informative)
The Sony has a higher resolution LCD panel (1280 * 768). The Dell's only 1024 * 768.
Schwab
Re:Interesting... (Score:3, Informative)
Well, the audio and video APIs, for example, which are still based on Cocoa and are a pain to use. And the Mac doesn't use an X11 desktop, it only runs X11 apps under Aqua, so X11 apps don't have good desktop integration. And OS X graphics isn't exactly fast. And on and on.
Overall, I have found that OS X is usable as a sort-of UNIX laptop, but less than ideal. Get one if you need to run OS X apps. If all applications you want to run are Linux/UNIX apps, an x86 laptop running Linux is cheaper, faster, and easier to install and maintain.
Re:Price, price, price (Score:3, Informative)
That's probably because the Sony hardware is quite a bit nicer: 3 pounds vs. 4.6 pounds, 1280x768 screen vs. 1024x768 screen, PCMCIA slot vs. no PCMCIA slot, USB2 vs. no USB2. The difference in weight alone is a huge difference and should more than account for the price difference.
If you want something directly comparable to the 12" Powerbook, the Fujitsu P5000 is the same price and the same weight. And the Fujitsu P2000 is actually smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the 12" Powerbook (although has somewhat fewer features).
Re:OSX On Sony? (Score:5, Informative)
You will have to sign a "Letter of Destruction" promising that you will destroy your PC version of the software and fax a copy to Adobe before they ship you your CD.
I did it, and only paid for shipping for Adobe Photoshop 7.0...
So you CAN switch without costing yourself an arm and a leg. As for MS products, that's an entirely different story, but then again, you also have OpenOffice for OS X as an alternative.
Re:3.11 Lbs (Score:4, Informative)
My experience with Vaio has been miserable (Score:3, Informative)
Vaios look cool, and we have a few PHBs who fell in love with the style and (lack of) weight, but they are a total nuisance for the support staff. Our travelling people occasionally gripe about the weight of their IBM Thinkpads, but at least they aren't calling headquarters with show-stopper events in the field.
Re:Interesting... (Score:3, Informative)
Open-source Darwin core
Darwin may be open, but it isn't free. It's licensed under the Apple Public License, which is NOT a free license.
X11
Okay, what about X11. OS X doesn't run on X11, it runs on Aqua and Quartz, which are both very much closed source and proprietary. Yes, there are X servers for OS X. Yes, there are X servers for Windows and virtually every other desktop OS that I know of. What exactly was your point?
More "open" technologies than you could shake a stick at
What are you referring too? BSD userland? Apps? Just because the userland and apps are free doesn't mean the underlying OS is. Cygwin works great on Windows.
Loads of great built-in languages.
See my comment about userland stuff and apps. Do these languages not work on Windows?
Freely available ports of tons of great Unix apps
Again, just because the apps are free doesn't mean the underlying OS is. Cygwin contains ports of tons of great Unix apps, others have been ported to Windows natively, doesn't make Windows any less proprietary. Free software also runs great on lots of other proprietary Unixes (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, Irix, etc.), Mac OS X isn't much different in this respect.
Exactly what is so "proprietary" about Mac OS X that is scaring you away?
Now don't get me wrong, I love how Apple is using and working with the open source world. However, Mac OS X is NOT a free OS, it is very much proprietary. Can you download and build Mac OS X from source? Can you play and tweak with the source, or port it to other architectures? Is there even a way to put Aqua and Quartz on top of an OpenDarwin core? Can you avoid the expensive OS upgrades to gain necessary functionality (most apps, like Safari and Apple's X server won't run on anything less than 10.2)? There's nothing inherently wrong with proprietary OS's, just don't try to pretend that OS X isn't one.
Re:12 inch powerbook killer? (Score:3, Informative)
To quote ars technica, "...[burning dvds] isn't just a luxury, it's a requirement" ;-)
The 12" with DVD-R is $1,799.00 (and includes right off store.apple.com: 12.1-inch TFT Display 1024x768 resolution, 867MHz PowerPC G4, 256MB DDR266 SDRAM, 40GB Ultra ATA/100, SuperDrive, NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go 32MB DDR video memory, 10/100BASE-T Ethernet, FireWire 400, Bluetooth built-in, VGA & S-Video out)
So compared to the Sony, you spend a 1.5 pounds more in weight to get ability to burn dvds, bigger display, bigger harddrive, more ram, os x, and with the difference in price you could buy an iSight and ... gasp take stills and video. The review of the Sony puts battery life between 2.5 to 7 hours ... the Powerbook is like 3 to 5 hours.
I guess what it comes down to is that if you are willing to pay more, you can look at a smaller screen and video conference for two extra hours (assuming the camera and iLink aren't what drags that battery down to the 2.5 hour mark)
I'm not sold on the editorial stance 'Powerbook Killer'. :-\
Apple Vs. Sony, price by price (Score:3, Informative)
900MHz Centrino
512MB Memory
30GB Hard drive
802.11b
10.6" TFT
3.11 Pounds
~$2000
867MHz PowerPC G4
640MB DDR266 (128MB built-in & 512MB SO-DIMM)
40GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme Card
Keyboard/Mac OS for SuperDrive - U.S. English
12.1-inch TFT Display
$2048
128MB more memory, 10GB more hard drive, faster processor (almost even on bare clock speed, even!) and has OS X with UNIX goodness out of the box, and a larger display by more than an inch. for about $48 more.
and this is a powerbook killer how?
sure, the apple is a bit heavier, but 4.6 pounds is still damn light. Also, do you think the sony really is going to last 7 hours on a battery? i know my 14" ibook has lasted more than 6.
Re:Price, price, price (Score:3, Informative)
Re:12" Powerbook killer? (Score:3, Informative)
As pointed out earlier, the PowerBook also has a DVD-R drive and a couple of other goodies.
The only thing the Sony has going for it is weight and slightly higher resolution (which is a bad thing for some people aswell, since the screen is smaller to). If it was the same price we might have a contest here.
Re:Interesting... (Score:1, Informative)
Yes, lots, unfortunately.
On my 1Ghz PB it takes about 15 minutes, start to finish.... that's including the extras (iDVD and Developer Tools discs).
Yeah, and that is then followed by manually installing each application, then downloading system upgrades, then updating each application, then installing Fink, then telling Fink to install lots of stuff, and on and on.
Regular Apple updates that install painlessly keep things running great.
Regular Apple updates only update Apple's software. Non-Apple software requires a wide variety of other mechanisms.
Say that for a Linux distro?
You bet: Linux distros update everything automatically and with no intervention. It's far easier.