There have been double-blind tests performed, but the subjects were quite upset when they learned that apparently it wasn't the wifi signals making them sick, but the blinking lights on the wireless devices.
IE lights disabled, radios fully enabled, on highest power, transmitting data: No symptoms. Simulated status light activity, radios completely disabled and unpowered: symptoms. Lights & radio on : symptoms Lights & radio disabled: no symptoms.
Conclusion: Clearly we need to investigate the status l
Interesting, do you have a source ? (Aka citation needed). I'm genuinely interested in getting such kind of study result. Of course the real subject is long term exposure effects of radio microwaves. For which I'm not sure many results (scientific ones) exist. And incidentally I'm going to install Ethernet plugs in our sons school next week to avoid this - not for me but by other parents demand (which I think will bring more reliable connectivity - win win )
That should have been done in the first place. Don't expect me to do your work for you. No citation means you fail, or are you gonna tell you college professor to google it?
The most serious conundrum is RF is so ubiquitous that litigation of and changes in the school will not solve this if it was real. All the new phones worthy of buying have dual band WIFI hardware, bluetooth, and a gazillion cell service bands.
Unknown and rejected by the tinfoil hats is the reality that more and closser Cell, WiFi towers and routers is the only way to enable dynamic systems to operate at lower power levels. The further away a modern router is the more power a phone or laptop must use to hold
Falsehood 1: You can light your tap water on fire. Fox made this claim famous in the first Gasland movie when he showed a resident of Colorado striking a match as water came out of his tap; the natural gas dissolved in the water burst into flame. Yet the water was tested by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, which reported to the resident: "There are no indications of any oil & gas related impacts to your well water." The agency concluded that the natural gas in his water supply was derived from natural sources—the water well penetrated several coal beds that had released the methane into the well.
Is it just me or what?? You don't "light something on fire". You simply light it. The verb "light" in this context means "to set on fire". Clearly some dimwit started this "lighting on fire" nonsense and now everyone and their parrot is "lighting things on fire".
In summary:
1. You light a fire
2. You set fire to a bush
3. You set a pile of wood on fire
4. You strike a match to light it
You never light something on fire, unless you mean to say that you're setting fire to something that is somehow bal
I was able to light my grandparents well water coming out of the tap 40 years ago. This isn't new.
Correct.... not new. The fracking issue mostly is simply some historic issue looking for deep pockets to dig into. Energy companies drilling for oil and mining coal. Attorneys looking for deep pockets to dig money out of.
I said mostly... there are some troubles in paradise but fracking is not the issue to pay attention to.
This is repeated over and over again when ham operators put up towers. The complaints start rolling in about interference with phones and tv signals long before any transmitter is ever activated. I've even got grief for small wire receive only antennas.
Just provide the citations please. "Just Google it" is not helpful as there is a tonne of material out there presenting different view points and methods, some badly flawed.
If you want to mention research here, you need to back it up with EVIDENCE. Otherwise you're better off just stepping outside and playing with squirrels.
WiFi sensitivity is a load of crap. Such a person might as well wear a copper wire cloak to be sure not to pick up powerful am, fm & satellite radio signals, phone microwave and cellular signals, rando RF from our planet and signals from outer space!
What does Science have to say about this? (Score:5, Interesting)
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There have been double-blind tests performed, but the subjects were quite upset when they learned that apparently it wasn't the wifi signals making them sick, but the blinking lights on the wireless devices.
IE lights disabled, radios fully enabled, on highest power, transmitting data: No symptoms.
Simulated status light activity, radios completely disabled and unpowered: symptoms.
Lights & radio on : symptoms
Lights & radio disabled: no symptoms.
Conclusion: Clearly we need to investigate the status l
Re:What does Science have to say about this? (Score:3)
Interesting, do you have a source ? (Aka citation needed).
I'm genuinely interested in getting such kind of study result. Of course the real subject is long term exposure effects of radio microwaves. For which I'm not sure many results (scientific ones) exist. And incidentally I'm going to install Ethernet plugs in our sons school next week to avoid this - not for me but by other parents demand (which I think will bring more reliable connectivity - win win )
Re:What does Science have to say about this? (Score:5, Informative)
LMGTFY: http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/
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That does not cite the study mentioned by the GP.
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Off topic, but thank you for stating 'LMGTFY' and not obnoxiously linking to the site with the same name.
Same point, much friendlier :)
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Off topic, but thank you for stating 'LMGTFY' and not obnoxiously linking to the site with the same name.
Same point, much friendlier :)
Off topic, but I was a little disappointed. It was like a smackdown with a padded glove.
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Also posting to undo mod.
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LMGTFY: http://www.who.int/peh-emf/pub... [who.int]
The most serious conundrum is RF is so ubiquitous that litigation of and changes in the school
will not solve this if it was real. All the new phones worthy of buying have dual band WIFI hardware, bluetooth,
and a gazillion cell service bands.
Unknown and rejected by the tinfoil hats is the reality that more and closser Cell, WiFi towers and
routers is the only way to enable dynamic systems to operate at lower power levels. The further
away a modern router is the more power a phone or laptop must use to hold
Re:What does Science have to say about this? (Score:4, Informative)
Well, here's one [sjweh.fi] - Note "sham".
and another [sciencedirect.com].
The study I'm remembering was slightly different, but I'm being drowned out by different studies. [biomedcentral.com]
Re: What does Science have to say about this? (Score:4, Informative)
Falsehood 1: You can light your tap water on fire. Fox made this claim famous in the first Gasland movie when he showed a resident of Colorado striking a match as water came out of his tap; the natural gas dissolved in the water burst into flame. Yet the water was tested by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, which reported to the resident: "There are no indications of any oil & gas related impacts to your well water." The agency concluded that the natural gas in his water supply was derived from natural sources—the water well penetrated several coal beds that had released the methane into the well.
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The water itself DID light on fire, and the water from the tap was tested and found the gas. So you can't call that 'falsehood #1'.
The Colorado Dept said that the falsehood was 'fracking caused the gas in the water.', not the water could light on fire.
Whether the state of Colorado is correct is another matter, but you yourself are stating your own claim so badly that it looks you are the one lying.
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Is it just me or what?? You don't "light something on fire". You simply light it. The verb "light" in this context means "to set on fire". Clearly some dimwit started this "lighting on fire" nonsense and now everyone and their parrot is "lighting things on fire".
In summary:
1. You light a fire
2. You set fire to a bush
3. You set a pile of wood on fire
4. You strike a match to light it
You never light something on fire, unless you mean to say that you're setting fire to something that is somehow bal
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I was able to light my grandparents well water coming out of the tap 40 years ago. This isn't new.
Correct.... not new.
The fracking issue mostly is simply some historic issue looking for deep pockets to dig into.
Energy companies drilling for oil and mining coal.
Attorneys looking for deep pockets to dig money out of.
I said mostly... there are some troubles in paradise but fracking is not the issue
to pay attention to.
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This is repeated over and over again when ham operators put up towers. The complaints start rolling in about interference with phones and tv signals long before any transmitter is ever activated. I've even got grief for small wire receive only antennas.
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So cite them. Don't tell people to google anything. You make the claim, you back it up.
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The citations.
Just provide the citations please. "Just Google it" is not helpful as there is a tonne of material out there presenting different view points and methods, some badly flawed.
If you want to mention research here, you need to back it up with EVIDENCE. Otherwise you're better off just stepping outside and playing with squirrels.
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Interesting, do you have a source ? (Aka citation needed).
Don't need a citation
Need to test the kid. Hell, he might be the first with a real wifi allergy (probably not).
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